Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: FDA conflicts of interest (USA Today)]

2000-10-03 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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"M.A. Johnson" wrote:

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 FDA advisers tied to industry

 MJ
   Ever hear of the Public Choice Model?
   This unconstitutional, oppressive illusion should
   be abolished.

 tenebroust
   I don't think we can go to a system where there is
   NO regulation, because it is just asking for trouble
   from those who would be unscrupulous regardless.
 MJ
 We have people who are 'unscrupulous regardless' NOW
 coupled to this farce which serves to prohibit an individual
 from choosing for himself ...

 tenebroust
  In matters of health I think it is advisable to have truly
  independant experts evaluate the effectiveness and
  safety of all products, but that the people should
  STILL have the last word as to whether they want
  to try it or not.  In other words I think that if you want
  to take a drug that the FDA says is ineffective or possibly
  dangerous then I don't think they have the right to keep it
  from you or you from taking it.
 MJ
 This PRIVATE oversight will necessarily occur ... consider
 UL or Consumer Reports.

 tenebroust
   At the same time there does need to be some measure
   of control over claims, manufacturing protocals,
   standardization, truth in labelling, etc.
 MJ
 Such would fall under 'fraud'.

 Regard$,
 --MJ

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Property is NOT prior to law. Only wishful thinking of greedy
oinkers would like to make it so. Property will be revised
DOWN in importance as time goes on because the world sees quite
clearly what happens when property is worshipped above life.

Enjoy it while it lasts Johnson. You don't have much time left,
the way the economy is going.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: FDA conflicts of interest (USA Today)]

2000-10-03 Thread M. A. Johnson

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Bastiat
 Property is prior to law; the sole function of the law
 is to safeguard the right to property wherever it exists,
 wherever it is formed, in whatever manner the worker
 produces it, whether individually or in association,
 provided that he respects the rights of others.

Joshua
 Property is NOT prior to law. Only wishful thinking of
 greedy oinkers would like to make it so. Property will
 be revised DOWN in importance as time goes on
 because the world sees quite clearly what happens
 when property is worshipped above life.
MJ
One has PROPERTY in their LIFE ...

... But then you prefer SLAVERY ... being the epitomy of 'greedy'.

Regard$,
--MJ

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of it. -- John Locke

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: FDA conflicts of interest (USA Today)]

2000-10-03 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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"M. A. Johnson" wrote:

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 Bastiat
  Property is prior to law; the sole function of the law
  is to safeguard the right to property wherever it exists,
  wherever it is formed, in whatever manner the worker
  produces it, whether individually or in association,
  provided that he respects the rights of others.

 Joshua
  Property is NOT prior to law. Only wishful thinking of
  greedy oinkers would like to make it so. Property will
  be revised DOWN in importance as time goes on
  because the world sees quite clearly what happens
  when property is worshipped above life.
 MJ
 One has PROPERTY in their LIFE ...

Gee that's deep Johnson. That's like the chemical company
who's ads say " without chemicals, there would be no life."


 ... But then you prefer SLAVERY ... being the epitomy of 'greedy'.

Yes, that's right. I'm greedy and you're not. I want everyone to be
a slave my family, my kids, you.

You are a greedy shit. And you went to all this trouble to
dig up the philosophies of other greedy shits like you to
rationalize being a greedy little shit.

Why don't you just liberate your innermost self and ' come out'.

" I'M A GREEDY LITTLE SHIT AND I'M PROUD."  You'll feel better.

Joshua2


 Regard$,
 --MJ

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 of it. -- John Locke


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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: FDA conflicts of interest (USA Today)]

2000-10-03 Thread M.A. Johnson

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Bastiat
   Property is prior to law; the sole function of the law
   is to safeguard the right to property wherever it exists,
   wherever it is formed, in whatever manner the worker
   produces it, whether individually or in association,
   provided that he respects the rights of others.
Joshua
   Property is NOT prior to law. Only wishful thinking of
   greedy oinkers would like to make it so. Property will
   be revised DOWN in importance as time goes on
   because the world sees quite clearly what happens
   when property is worshipped above life.
MJ
  One has PROPERTY in their LIFE ...
Joshua
 Gee that's deep Johnson. That's like the chemical company
 who's ads say " without chemicals, there would be no life."

MJ
Nope ... your fallacy of equivocation.

One either OWNS their life ... or another does.  One TRADES
portions of his life (usually measured in time) to others for
portions of theirs (usually measured in some store of value).



MJ
  ... But then you prefer SLAVERY ... being the epitomy of 'greedy'.
Joshua
  Yes, that's right. I'm greedy and you're not. I want everyone
   to be a slave my family, my kids, you.

MJ
Apparently you have trouble with English.


Joshua
 You are a greedy shit. And you went to all this trouble to
 dig up the philosophies of other greedy shits like you to
 rationalize being a greedy little shit.

MJ
Your fallacy of ad hominem and ad novitatem.

*I* simply believe ALL individuals should have access to their
OWN life ... free to live it in a manner which allows others the
same.


Joshua
  Why don't you just liberate your innermost self and ' come out'.
  " I'M A GREEDY LITTLE SHIT AND I'M PROUD."  You'll feel better.
MJ
You pick a word which cannot be defined and attempt to
pass your ad populum nonsense upon the dumbmasses.


Regard$,
--MJ

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: FDA conflicts of interest (USA Today)]

2000-10-01 Thread M.A. Johnson

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FDA advisers tied to industry

MJ
  Ever hear of the Public Choice Model?
  This unconstitutional, oppressive illusion should
  be abolished.

tenebroust
  I don't think we can go to a system where there is
  NO regulation, because it is just asking for trouble
  from those who would be unscrupulous regardless.
MJ
We have people who are 'unscrupulous regardless' NOW
coupled to this farce which serves to prohibit an individual
from choosing for himself ...

tenebroust
 In matters of health I think it is advisable to have truly
 independant experts evaluate the effectiveness and
 safety of all products, but that the people should
 STILL have the last word as to whether they want
 to try it or not.  In other words I think that if you want
 to take a drug that the FDA says is ineffective or possibly
 dangerous then I don't think they have the right to keep it
 from you or you from taking it.
MJ
This PRIVATE oversight will necessarily occur ... consider
UL or Consumer Reports.


tenebroust
  At the same time there does need to be some measure
  of control over claims, manufacturing protocals,
  standardization, truth in labelling, etc.
MJ
Such would fall under 'fraud'.

Regard$,
--MJ

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is to safeguard the right to property wherever it exists,
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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: FDA conflicts of interest (USA Today)]

2000-09-30 Thread tenebroust

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I think just about everyone on this list knew this already but it is good and about 
time that this has made it into national news.  How about we talk now about conflict 
of interest in the judicial system as well?


On Tue, 26 September 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:


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  Original Message 
 Subject: FDA conflicts of interest (USA Today)
 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:36:02 -0500 (CDT)
 From: MichaelP [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Organization: ?
 To: undisclosed-recipients:;

 http://www.usatoday.com/news/washdc/ncssun06.htm

09/25/00- Updated 12:24 AM ET

 FDA advisers tied to industry
 By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY

 More than half of the experts hired to advise the
 government on the safety and effectiveness of medicine
 have financial relationships with the pharmaceutical
 companies that will be helped or hurt by their
 decisions, a USA TODAY study found.

 These experts are hired to advise the Food and Drug
 Administration on which medicines should be approved
 for sale, what the warning labels should say and how
 studies of drugs should be designed.

 The experts are supposed to be
 independent, but USA TODAY found
 that 54% of the time, they have a direct
 financial interest in the drug or topic
 they are asked to evaluate. These
 conflicts include helping a pharmaceutical company
 develop a medicine, then serving on an FDA advisory
 committee that judges the drug.

 The conflicts typically include stock ownership,
 consulting fees or research grants.

 Federal law generally prohibits the FDA from using
 experts with financial conflicts of interest, but the
 FDA has waived the restriction more than 800 times
 since 1998.

 These pharmaceutical experts, about 300 on 18 advisory
 committees, make decisions that affect the health of
 millions of Americans and billions of dollars in drugs
 sales. With few exceptions, the FDA follows the
 committees' advice.

 The FDA reveals when financial conflicts exist, but it
 has kept details secret since 1992, so it is not
 possible to determine the amount of money or the drug
 company involved.

 A USA TODAY analysis of financial conflicts at 159 FDA
 advisory committee meetings from Jan. 1, 1998, through
 last June 30 found:

  At 92% of the meetings, at least one member had a
 financial conflict of interest.

  At 55% of meetings, half or more of the FDA advisers
 had conflicts of interest.

  Conflicts were most frequent at the 57 meetings when
 broader issues were discussed: 92% of members had
 conflicts.

  At the 102 meetings dealing with the fate of a
  specific
 drug, 33% of the experts had a financial conflict.

 "The best experts for the FDA are often the best
 experts to consult with industry," says FDA senior
 associate commissioner Linda Suydam, who is in charge
 of waiving conflict-of-interest restrictions.

 But Larry Sasich of Public Citizen , an advocacy
 group, says, "The industry has more influence on the
 process than people realize."

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: FDA conflicts of interest (USA Today)]

2000-09-29 Thread tenebroust

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I don't think we can go to a system where there is NO regulation, because it is just 
asking for trouble from those who would be unscrupulous regardless.  In matters of 
health I think it is advisable to have truly independant experts evaluate the 
effectiveness and safety of all products, but that the people should STILL have the 
last word as to whether they want to try it or not.  In other words I think that if 
you want to take a drug that the FDA says is ineffective or possibly dangerous then I 
don't think they have the right to keep it from you or you from taking it.  At the 
same time there does need to be some measure of control over claims, manufacturing 
protocals, standardization, truth in labelling, etc.



On Tue, 26 September 2000, "M.A. Johnson" wrote:


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   FDA advisers tied to industry

 Ever hear of the Public Choice Model?

 This unconstitutional, oppressive illusion should
 be abolished.

 Regard$,
 --MJ

 Regulation - which is based on force and fear - undermines the
 moral base of business dealings. It becomes cheaper to bribe a
 building inspector than to meet his standards of construction.
 A fly-by-night securities operator can quickly meet all the
 S.E.C. requirements, gain the inference of respectability, and
 proceed to fleece the public. In an unregulated economy, the
 operator would have had to spend a number of years in reputable
 dealings before he could earn a position of trust sufficient to
 induce a number of investors to place funds with him. Protection
 of the consumer by regulation is thus illusory. -- Alan Greenspan

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[CTRL] [Fwd: FDA conflicts of interest (USA Today)]

2000-09-26 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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 Original Message 
Subject: FDA conflicts of interest (USA Today)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:36:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: MichaelP [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: ?
To: undisclosed-recipients:;

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washdc/ncssun06.htm

   09/25/00- Updated 12:24 AM ET

FDA advisers tied to industry
By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY

More than half of the experts hired to advise the
government on the safety and effectiveness of medicine
have financial relationships with the pharmaceutical
companies that will be helped or hurt by their
decisions, a USA TODAY study found.

These experts are hired to advise the Food and Drug
Administration on which medicines should be approved
for sale, what the warning labels should say and how
studies of drugs should be designed.

The experts are supposed to be
independent, but USA TODAY found
that 54% of the time, they have a direct
financial interest in the drug or topic
they are asked to evaluate. These
conflicts include helping a pharmaceutical company
develop a medicine, then serving on an FDA advisory
committee that judges the drug.

The conflicts typically include stock ownership,
consulting fees or research grants.

Federal law generally prohibits the FDA from using
experts with financial conflicts of interest, but the
FDA has waived the restriction more than 800 times
since 1998.

These pharmaceutical experts, about 300 on 18 advisory
committees, make decisions that affect the health of
millions of Americans and billions of dollars in drugs
sales. With few exceptions, the FDA follows the
committees' advice.

The FDA reveals when financial conflicts exist, but it
has kept details secret since 1992, so it is not
possible to determine the amount of money or the drug
company involved.

A USA TODAY analysis of financial conflicts at 159 FDA
advisory committee meetings from Jan. 1, 1998, through
last June 30 found:

 At 92% of the meetings, at least one member had a
financial conflict of interest.

 At 55% of meetings, half or more of the FDA advisers
had conflicts of interest.

 Conflicts were most frequent at the 57 meetings when
broader issues were discussed: 92% of members had
conflicts.

 At the 102 meetings dealing with the fate of a
 specific
drug, 33% of the experts had a financial conflict.

"The best experts for the FDA are often the best
experts to consult with industry," says FDA senior
associate commissioner Linda Suydam, who is in charge
of waiving conflict-of-interest restrictions.

But Larry Sasich of Public Citizen , an advocacy
group, says, "The industry has more influence on the
process than people realize."

==

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: FDA conflicts of interest (USA Today)]

2000-09-26 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 09/26/2000 7:13:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  These experts are hired to advise the Food and Drug
 Administration on which medicines should be approved
 for sale, what the warning labels should say and how
 studies of drugs should be designed.

 The experts are supposed to be
 independent, but USA TODAY found
 that 54% of the time, they have a direct
 financial interest in the drug or topic
 they are asked to evaluate. These
 conflicts include helping a pharmaceutical company
 develop a medicine, then serving on an FDA advisory
 committee that judges the drug. 

One wonders, especially when the television says, "If you know someone who
has had a liver transplant or has died as a result of taking (I think it was
Rezulin), call the number below and All of this announced in a very
cheery voice.  What are they thinking of out there in pharmaceutical land.
Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: FDA conflicts of interest (USA Today)]

2000-09-26 Thread M.A. Johnson

-Caveat Lector-

  FDA advisers tied to industry

Ever hear of the Public Choice Model?

This unconstitutional, oppressive illusion should
be abolished.

Regard$,
--MJ

Regulation - which is based on force and fear - undermines the
moral base of business dealings. It becomes cheaper to bribe a
building inspector than to meet his standards of construction.
A fly-by-night securities operator can quickly meet all the
S.E.C. requirements, gain the inference of respectability, and
proceed to fleece the public. In an unregulated economy, the
operator would have had to spend a number of years in reputable
dealings before he could earn a position of trust sufficient to
induce a number of investors to place funds with him. Protection
of the consumer by regulation is thus illusory. -- Alan Greenspan

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