[CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Israeli War Crimes- NOT!
Wow, nice propaganda article here. If it's truth you seek then visit here...http://www.members.home.net/projectonesoul/israel/israel.htm and this one... http://www.rotter.net/israel/ I'll throw rocks at you with the intent to kill you and if you have a gun, you have every right to fire back. "Oh wait, he's throwing rocks at me, I have to play fair, put down my weapon and throw rocks back." Since when is war fair? And not just that, but they are NOT only using rocks, they do have weapons, but CNN doesn't want us to know that either. Jamie -Original Message-From: William Shannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 10:00 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] Israeli War CrimesRights Groups Charge Israelis With War Crimes Israel’s iron fist tactics have been condemned as war atrocities by an international human rights group. Exclusive to The SPOTLIGHT By Christopher Bollyn Israel’s military tactics in the occupied territories have been strongly condemned and “could amount to war crimes,” according to the London-based human rights group Amnesty International (AI). An American group, Physicians for Human Rights USA (PHR), also investigated the clashes by sending a team of three physicians to the occupied territories in Gaza and the West Bank from Oct. 20-27. PHR reinforced AI’s findings, reporting that the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) uses live ammunition and rubber-coated steel bullets “excessively and inappropriately.” Five weeks of Arab-Israeli violence have left 200 people dead—many of them children—almost all of them Palestinian. “There is a pattern of gross human rights violations that may well amount to war crimes,” said Claudio Cordone, AI’s international research director. AI’s latest findings go much further than its earlier criticism that Israeli troops were using “excessive force” against Palestinians. Cordone repeated long-standing criticism of Israel’s “iron fist” military response to Palestinian demonstrations that applies “combat reflexes” as opposed to what would be proper policing methods. “There is excessive use of force resulting in killings that shouldn’t take place,” Cordone said. “If a kid is throwing stones at you but not posing any other risk—you don’t shoot him.” Geneva Conventions VIOLATED AI says the Israeli forces are breaking the Geneva Conventions as well as their own rules, namely, that lethal force must only be used to counter an immediate threat to life. As part of international humanitarian law, the Geneva Civilian Convention (1949) protects civilians under occupation and has applied to Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza since the 1967 war. An IDF senior officer told PHR that “the Fourth Geneva Convention and other humanitarian laws apply” to the current clashes. The Geneva Conventions prohibit murder, torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment. Included in the Geneva Conventions is a law against force that results in disproportionate and/or indiscriminate killing of or violence toward civilians. In an occupation, such as Israel’s of the West Bank and Gaza, the rule of proportionality applies and prohibits excessive force against civilians. DEATH FROM ABOVE Israel has repeatedly used combat helicopters firing heavy machine guns and armor-piercing missiles on Palestinian civilians, towns, and even ambulances. The PHR team examined a Red Crescent Ambulance in Gaza which was damaged by a helicopter gunship. The Israeli helicopter strafed the ambulance with five 50-caliber shells that passed right through the ambulance, including a metal gurney. The bullets used by the IDF against Jewish citizens in Israel or Jewish settlers in the occupied territories are very different than those used on Palestinians. The bullets used for Jewish riot control are solid rubber. There have been no reported deaths resulting from these bullets. The so-called rubber bullets used by the IDF against Israel’s Arab citizens and Palestinians are significantly different. The “Arab bullets” examined by the PHR team are merely rubber-coated steel bullets and very lethal. The rubber-coated bullets used on Palestinians are of two shapes: spherical and cylindrical. The bullets used against Arabs only look rubber with a thin 2 mm outer rubber shell around a solid steel core 1.83 cm in diameter. HEAD INJURIES PHR concluded that Israeli soldiers are shooting high-velocity live ammunition and rubber-coated steel bullets with intent to kill and maim Palestinian demonstrators, based on the high number of injuries to the head and thighs. PHR’s analysis of fatal gun shot wounds in Gaza reveals that approximately 50 percent were to the head. The high proportion of fatal head wounds suggests that soldiers are specifically targeting Palestinians’ eyes. The IDF spokesman
Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Israeli War Crimes- NOT!
-Caveat Lector- Stopforth, Jamie wrote: Wow, nice propaganda article here. If it's truth you seek then visit here...http://www.members.home.net/projectonesoul/israel/israel.htm and this one... http://www.rotter.net/israel/ I'll throw rocks at you with the intent to kill you and if you have a gun, you have every right to fire back. "Oh wait, he's throwing rocks at me, I have to play fair, put down my weapon and throw rocks back." Since when is war fair? And not just that, but they are NOT only using rocks, they do have weapons, but CNN doesn't want us to know that either. Jamie Jamie, Can you tell me why the large difference in the body count? Are Palestinians such shitty shots? Any fool can get a good body count with an Uzi or an AK on full auto, what's the problem? Is it that we aren't getting the facts? I don't know why the Israelis just don't herd the Palestinians onto trains for "relocation", hell they already have them in ghettoes. -- ´´ Mark McHugh Israel--Hitler's revenge on the world -Anon A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Israeli War Crimes- NOT!
Title: RE: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Israeli War Crimes- NOT! Jamie, Can you tell me why the large difference in the body count? Are Palestinians such shitty shots? Any fool can get a good body count with an Uzi or an AK on full auto, what's the problem? Is it that we aren't getting the facts? I don't know why the Israelis just don't herd the Palestinians onto trains for relocation, hell they already have them in ghettoes. -- ´´ Mark McHugh Israel--Hitler's revenge on the world -Anon So by default the people with the less body count are the Bad Guys? Hmm Let me see, I have a grenade launcher, an enemy soldier fires at me, I launch back killing him and his surrounding soldiers? Just one of the many scenarios that can play out in the dynamics of battle But as for body count numbers... Can I get a recount? My point being, just how accurate are those numbers? Do you know for sure? Are issues like that still open to question even after they've been reported by the major media outlets? I would hope so. As for the catchy quote... People are free to say anything they feel is true... I don't even know the Anon guy, maybe he was famous, maybe not, but if he was, does it make his statement anymore correct? Jamie Reality--The perception of truth based on observation -Jamie Look, I have a cool quote now...
Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Israeli War Crimes- NOT!
-Caveat Lector- Stopforth Jamie wrote: Jamie, Can you tell me why the large difference in the body count? Are Palestinians such shitty shots? Any fool can get a good body count with an Uzi or an AK on full auto, what's the problem? Is it that we aren't getting the facts? I don't know why the Israelis just don't herd the Palestinians onto trains for "relocation", hell they already have them in ghettoes. -- ´´ Mark McHugh Israel--Hitler's revenge on the world -Anon So by default the people with the less body count are the "Bad Guys?" Hmm Let me see, I have a grenade launcher, an enemy soldier fires at me, I launch back killing him and his surrounding soldiers? Just one of the many scenarios that can play out in the dynamics of battle It seems that you're under the black/white, Good Guys/Bad Guys dualistic illusion. This is a much more complex reality. If these pages, whose URLs you mention, are the truth, that all these armed Arabs actually have ammo, wouldn't there be photos of Israelis swinging from lampposts and masses of dead strewn through the streets? They're armed and pissed. Those LAWs featured on both pages (same photo) would make one hell of a mess. Where's the carnage? Why the large difference in the body counts? The Rotter page you mentioned shows a bunch of pissed off Arabs. I'd be angry too if I lived under the conditions they do. The One Soul page mentions Israel granting the PA rule over Palestinian reservations. Isn't the PA a puppet of the Israelis? Don't the Palestinian people hate the PA? Maybe all that I've read is wrong. Maybe the Firesign Theatre is right. I want to know who has the superior force and tactics. Propaganda from both sides shows mere skirmishes. Assuming easily that the Israelis have the advantage, the ultimate high ground of the sky, why haven't they pressed the attack? Do they plan a war of attrition? But as for body count numbers... Can I get a recount? My point being, just how accurate are those numbers? Do you know for sure? Are issues like that still open to question even after they've been reported by the major media outlets? I would hope so. Do you mean to say the Israelis have no media outlets to the outside world? You give URLs for two pages that show no numbers. Do you have any sources for the Truth other than propaganda photo spreads? As for the catchy quote... People are free to say anything they feel is true... I don't even know the Anon guy, maybe he was famous, maybe not, but if he was, does it make his statement anymore correct? Jamie Famous does not make it correct. I'd be happy with a book of good quotes from normal people. People are free to say anything, true or not, whether they believe it or not. My quote and mention of trains and relocation are examples of black humor--Socratic, ironic and sardonic. My foul mood inspired their inclusion. I'm in a foul mood because, by nature I seek balance, yet I continually see one-sided opinions. "Israeli War Crimes" "Israeli War Crimes- NOT!" Can't people be honest with themselves and admit that acts on both sides are criminal or do we subscribe to the idea that the ends justify the means? Do I take sides? Yes. I back the people who are sick of the constant warfare. I believe the peace-loving people on any side of any conflict are being screwed by greedhead leaders whose best control method against them is division. What can we do about it? Education is the only thing I can come up with that may do some good. "Reality--The perception of truth based on observation" -Jamie Look, I have a cool quote now... Not so sure about that, Jamie. Reality exists independent of observation--a very strange, uncertain reality, albeit. Perception is flawed, considering the minuscule portion of the electromagnetic spectrum we are able to perceive, thus the merit of observation is questionable. Define "truth". Nevermind. I'm being a tired shit. -- ´´ Mark McHugh More cool quotes: It is not a sign of good health to be well adjusted to a sick society. -- J. Krishnamurti Like it or not, a riot is the voice of the unheard. --Maxine Waters A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as
