Re: [CTRL] Apples in Eden
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: "c." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Apples in Eden Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:20:53 +0100 - Original Message - From: Adam Kowalczyk To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Apples in Eden -Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: YnrChyldzWyld Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Apples in Eden Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:58:21 -0400 -Caveat Lector- On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Adam Kowalczyk wrote: capricorn markes what has been traditionally the feminine time of the year - the winter's stillness being the fertility required for the life giving initiative borne by summer - the light... according to 99 percent of systems that are based on observations of the world around one's self...namely those that are based on the cyclic nature of things...as the universe is based... according to metaphysics...many monotheistic mystics...the rise and fall of the heartbeat...the expansion and contraction of the universe as described in macrophysics which has analogies in microphysics [as above so below is supported by chaos theory in the form of 'symmetry across scale']...according to all systems that base their 'revelations' on observation, hypothesizing, and testing... duh... duh? i think you mean "doh!" dontcha? ;) cause if the belief system is, as you say, based on the patterns of nature then don't you think that supports June's reasoning and not yours? i may be wrong but isn't that what wicca is? like, completely? rooted in nature i mean. 99%? i can't find even one. i think you are just a couple of star signs out. i suggest research...i am not a student in a vacuum coming up with my own stuff and there is not a single esoteric student with a modicum of experience that has not agreed with the above... try dane rudhyar...one of the premier astrological writers of all time... my point is that nature religions are the scapegoat...goddess religions...it was all eve's fault and lilith is merely a vampire - these are points that patriarchal thought has made since its inception and they are wrong... the horned one [which has made its appearance in most polytheistic belief systems - this includes wicca] is another 'entity' that has been deliberately confused with the others - the horned one is male but anything derived from observance of the horned one [a representation of the spirit of the buck - free roaming and wild] or of the goddess has been lumped into heretical 'devil' worship... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Apples in Eden
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: YnrChyldzWyld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Apples in Eden Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:58:21 -0400 -Caveat Lector- On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Adam Kowalczyk wrote: capricorn markes what has been traditionally the feminine time of the year - the winter's stillness being the fertility required for the life giving initiative borne by summer - the light... according to 99 percent of systems that are based on observations of the world around one's self...namely those that are based on the cyclic nature of things...as the universe is based... according to metaphysics...many monotheistic mystics...the rise and fall of the heartbeat...the expansion and contraction of the universe as described in macrophysics which has analogies in microphysics [as above so below is supported by chaos theory in the form of 'symmetry across scale']...according to all systems that base their 'revelations' on observation, hypothesizing, and testing... duh... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Apples in Eden
- Original Message - From: Adam Kowalczyk To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Apples in Eden -Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: YnrChyldzWyld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Apples in Eden Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:58:21 -0400 -Caveat Lector- On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Adam Kowalczyk wrote: capricorn markes what has been traditionally the feminine time of the year - the winter's stillness being the fertility required for the life giving initiative borne by summer - the light... according to 99 percent of systems that are based on observations of the world around one's self...namely those that are based on the cyclic nature of things...as the universe is based... according to metaphysics...many monotheistic mystics...the rise and fall of the heartbeat...the expansion and contraction of the universe as described in macrophysics which has analogies in microphysics [as above so below is supported by chaos theory in the form of 'symmetry across scale']...according to all systems that base their 'revelations' on observation, hypothesizing, and testing... duh... duh? i think you mean "doh!" dontcha? ;) cause if the belief system is, as you say, based on the patterns of nature then don't you think that supports June's reasoning and not yours? i may be wrong but isn't that what wicca is? like, completely? rooted in nature i mean. 99%? i can't find even one. i think you are just a couple of star signs out.
Re: [CTRL] Apples in Eden
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Adam Kowalczyk wrote: capricorn markes what has been traditionally the feminine time of the year - the winter's stillness being the fertility required for the life giving initiative borne by summer - the light... According to which belief system? According to Wiccans, winter is a MASCULINE time of year, the time when the horned escort of the Great Mother Goddess rules the earth, because the GMG has 'gone to sleep'...winter, far from being considered 'fertile', is instead considered barren. It isn't until the GMG returns in the spring in her guise as maiden that fertility returns to the earth... And if one takes the precession of the equinoxes into consideration, it was really under the sign of Aquarius that winter began in the northern hemisphere when most of these belief systems began... June Check out the nonstop beachparty at Alternative Kite Summer radio: http://www.live365.com/stations/250951 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Apples in Eden
-Caveat Lector- No case to answer in my view, both the logic and extention of such arguments are extremely poor. Actually, I would have thought that it would be the more 'literalist' branches of creationism that would be upset here. Not only does Satan as entity not exist outside Christian doctrine (and as such, only a Christian can be a Satanist ?) - we are led to believe that it was in accepting to taste the Apple in Eden that lead us astray - not the apple istelf ? TD Apple's legal team is in dispute with The Church of Satan. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Apples in Eden
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Tony Dickinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:36 PM Subject: [CTRL] Apples in Eden -Caveat Lector- No case to answer in my view, both the logic and extention of such arguments are extremely poor. Actually, I would have thought that it would be the more 'literalist' branches of creationism that would be upset here. oh no! apple shareholders would be much more upset about the creationists boycotting macs i am sure. Not only does Satan as entity not exist outside Christian doctrine (and as such, only a Christian can be a Satanist ?) - we are led to believe that it was in accepting to taste the Apple in Eden that lead us astray - not the apple istelf ? definately possibly and the extension of that self determination of eve is that god placed the apple there and then appeared as his other side and invited, coerced (?) her to taste knowledge. was the serpent god's consiounce? eve was the second woman to fail adam. misogyny is as all bigotries rooted in fear. both lilith and eve kicked (a rather limited) adam's ass by not obeying him- lilith is a success and is all but forgotten but eve's act is the cornerstone of sin and the serpent the origin of evil. knowledge and self determination are suppressed at birth. maybe the devil is god in exile j-l. g. TD Apple's legal team is in dispute with The Church of Satan. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Apples in Eden
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: Tony Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Apples in Eden Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:36:51 -0500 -Caveat Lector- No case to answer in my view, both the logic and extention of such arguments are extremely poor. Actually, I would have thought that it would be the more 'literalist' branches of creationism that would be upset here. Not only does Satan as entity not exist outside Christian doctrine (and as such, only a Christian can be a Satanist ?) === pan derives from pagn pan is one culture's representation of the horned one - the goat - capricorn - saturnday capricorn markes what has been traditionally the feminine time of the year - the winter's stillness being the fertility required for the life giving initiative borne by summer - the light... eve is a cabalistic metaphor for the feminine in its essence - the scapeGOAT...i.e. it was all eve's fault... this millenia before the advent of monotheism... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Apples in Eden
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: "c." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Apples in Eden Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:56:21 +0100 -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Tony Dickinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:36 PM Subject: [CTRL] Apples in Eden -Caveat Lector- No case to answer in my view, both the logic and extention of such arguments are extremely poor. Actually, I would have thought that it would be the more 'literalist' branches of creationism that would be upset here. oh no! apple shareholders would be much more upset about the creationists boycotting macs i am sure. === yeah...it's not like we're dealing with something evil like the Temple of Set... ...ahem... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
