Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- On 6 Mar 2002 at 0:17, thew wrote: Why do people hear absolutes, when none are uttered? Reread the above - it does not say war films ONLY do well when the right is in power. I don't know ... you tell me. I didn't write that *SPR* was the only film -- war or otherwise related -- made during the Clinton years. And then, you're stating that Clinton was absolutely on the Left? Or, on the incorrect? So, you tell us: Why are you reading (I don't recite emails, by the way) absolutes when one single sole lone example is provided? I read over the exchanges by REVCOAL and others about what was popular when and decided to stay out of that one (for example, movies, books, TV shows, c about spies [the Cold War soldiers] were VEWY populah during the 50ies, 60ies, 70ies, 80ies)(so much for absolutes, eh?). One of a multitude of examples is NOT an absolute; it is ONE example. The only absolute about movies is what is released to make money for the industry. I have an idea about how they do this (kinda like toothpaste marketing) but I'm not gonna delve into that business. By the way, the real point about this movie was (in a more wordy post): Unfortunately, Gibson's war efforts Iin film making) are more about the horrors of war than the patriotic thrill people get out of them. This was one of the conerns about We Were(n't) Soldiers, namely how it would conflict with the upsurge patriotic (warmonging) fervour after Sept 11th. Absolved. AER A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- From: Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, you tell us: Why are you reading (I don't recite emails, by the way) absolutes when one single sole lone example is provided? I read over the exchanges by REVCOAL and others about what was popular when and decided to stay out of that one (for example, movies, books, TV shows, c about spies [the Cold War soldiers] were VEWY populah during the 50ies, 60ies, 70ies, 80ies)(so much for absolutes, eh?). First off, spy movies are very different from war movies; I was not talking about spy-genre movies, only about the recent spate of movies that are overtly 'war movies'... Secondly, I'd like you to name me ONE spy film made during the 1950s; the genre did not take off until the first James Bond film was made in the early 1960s -- during the Kennedy Administration (Kennedy was an avid fan of Ian Fleming's books, BTW)... The cartoon-like hijinks of Bond and his ilk are very different from stories involving soldiers fighting in the field... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- From: thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] War films always do well when the right is in power. Welcome to the zeitgeist. Like *Saving Pvt Ryan*? Why do people hear absolutes, when none are uttered? Reread the above - it does not say war films ONLY do well when the right is in power. It says that war films always do well when the right is in power; implied in that statement is the allegation that war films do NOT do well when the left is in power... If you're saying that the statement doesn't say that war films only do well when the right is in power, then the original sentence makes no sense at all, since you're now saying that war films will do well when either the right or the left is in power, e.g., at any time no matter the political philosophies of those currently in power... Ju A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: RevCOAL [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Right, but a lot of films which are in the can and might not have made it to screen get retooled if an opportunity arises which might make them more profitable, such as a war. The thing is, none of these films were sitting around 'in the can'...Black Hawk Down, We Were Soldiers, etc., were all made within the past 2 to 3 years and were planned to be released in the fall of 2001 and winter/spring of 2002... OK, fair enough - didn't know that. But it might be interesting to see a complete list of films made during that same time which were slated for release now and which didn't make it to the screen. What I am saying is this - war films are being made on a fairly consistent basis, and sometimes they do sit around waiting for an opportunity for the public to receive them favorably. It might just be a coincidence that these films happened to be made around this time, and their release dates were fortuitous. Maybe ... War films have always been popular. No they haven't. At least, not films that show war in a favorable light; John Wayne had a hard time trying to make his pro-war films profitable in the late 1960s, because the viewing public was turning against the Vietnam War and wasn't in the mood to watch Wayne's simplistic jingoism... Again, fair enough. And war films were definitely NOT popular prior to WWII; and they waned in popularity in the 1950s...so no, war films are NOT always popular, just as westerns aren't always popular or musicals or mysteries or monster films; genres go thru phases of popularity, waxing in popularity in one era and waning in popularity in another... That is true, but since WWII, war films have waxed and waned in popularity, never fully disappearing from screens altogether. Some pro, some con. Your theory is an interesting one, and I tend to agree with you, having thought about it myself. But there hasn't been much evidence at all to suggest that these movies were all part of a master plot which resulted in the attack on the WTC and our subsequent war, other than the timeline. Well of course there wouldn't be overt evidence, other than it being mighty strange that Hollywood en masse decided in the late 1990s that pro-war themed films would suddenly become popular, and 'just happened' to start making these films so that their collective release would occur after 9/11/2001... Yes, that's true. But, maybe, just maybe the people in Hollywood saw a change coming in the party in power in the Oval Office. Certainly it's not pure conjecture to see that, once Clinton's second term was up, the Republican Party had a much better chance. With the right candidate, e.g. someone other than Dubya, s/he might have been a shoo-in against Gore - Colin Powell certainly would have been, maybe even Liddy Dole. And the Republican Party, at least for the last 50 years or so, has promoted itself as being utterly unafraid of going to war. That is not to say that the Dems don't go to war, too, but they usually try not to promote themselves that way. And what better to rev up a new party in power than with a brand new war? Maybe these films were being made as a way to hedge bets in this direction. I'm not saying I disagree with you, because I don't - really just playing devil's advocate. Again, none of these films were 'in the can'...they are recent creations whose releases were planned to occur starting in mid-autumn of 2001, and it is THAT timing that is so suspicious... Right, that is suspicious, agreed. ESPECIALLY a pro-American war film about Somalia, where, oddly enough, we are sending special forces troops as we speak. What a coincidence, eh? - jt A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- on 3/5/02 12:51 AM, RevCOAL at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I doubt that there were gobs of war-themed scripts just sitting around, but even if their were, then one has to ask WHY scriptwriters suddenly decided to start writing scripts using a theme that at the time would not have seemed very promising in regards to getting the interest of investors who are only interested in making a handsome profit on the film they invest in.. War films always do well when the right is in power. Welcome to the zeitgeist. -- We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people. President John F. Kennedy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- On 5 Mar 2002 at 11:11, thew wrote: War films always do well when the right is in power. Welcome to the zeitgeist. Like *Saving Pvt Ryan*? AER A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers -Caveat Lector- On 5 Mar 2002 at 11:11, thew wrote: War films always do well when the right is in power. Welcome to the zeitgeist. Like *Saving Pvt Ryan*? More like - Saving Pvt Enterprise. J2 AER A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- From: thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] War films always do well when the right is in power. Actually the facts don't bear that out... The first real boom (no pun intended) of war films was, naturally enough, while WWII was occuring; prior to the war one rarely finds a war film being made, and the few that were had a decidedly antiwar slant (yes, even the first film ever to win an Academy Award, the 1927 film Wings) The popularity of films showing war in what could be termed a 'favorable' light continued for a few years after WWII ended; these films were made during the Roosevelt and Truman administrations... By the time Eisenhower was elected, Hollywood had stopped cranking out war films; one rarely finds a war film that was made in the 1950s, as musicals, monster/sci fi, and detective/mystery/'film noir' themes were what was popular in that era... By the 20th anniversary of America's entrance into WWII Hollywood cashed in on the nostalgia by resurrecting the WWII-themed film, and found a receptive public for the next couple of years; this was during the Kennedy and Johnson administrations But when Nixon was elected in 1968 the Vietnam-weary public had soured on pro-war themed movies, and one only finds anti-war films like MASH and Catch-22 being made... And one didn't find Hollywood cranking out war films during the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations; the genre wasn't really resurrected until Saving Private Ryan, which was made during the Clinton administration... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- From: Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Right, but a lot of films which are in the can and might not have made it to screen get retooled if an opportunity arises which might make them more profitable, such as a war. The thing is, none of these films were sitting around 'in the can'...Black Hawk Down, We Were Soldiers, etc., were all made within the past 2 to 3 years and were planned to be released in the fall of 2001 and winter/spring of 2002... War films have always been popular. No they haven't. At least, not films that show war in a favorable light; John Wayne had a hard time trying to make his pro-war films profitable in the late 1960s, because the viewing public was turning against the Vietnam War and wasn't in the mood to watch Wayne's simplistic jingoism... And war films were definitely NOT popular prior to WWII; and they waned in popularity in the 1950s...so no, war films are NOT always popular, just as westerns aren't always popular or musicals or mysteries or monster films; genres go thru phases of popularity, waxing in popularity in one era and waning in popularity in another... Your theory is an interesting one, and I tend to agree with you, having thought about it myself. But there hasn't been much evidence at all to suggest that these movies were all part of a master plot which resulted in the attack on the WTC and our subsequent war, other than the timeline. Well of course there wouldn't be overt evidence, other than it being mighty strange that Hollywood en masse decided in the late 1990s that pro-war themed films would suddenly become popular, and 'just happened' to start making these films so that their collective release would occur after 9/11/2001... Again, none of these films were 'in the can'...they are recent creations whose releases were planned to occur starting in mid-autumn of 2001, and it is THAT timing that is so suspicious... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- : War films always do well when the right is in power. Welcome to the zeitgeist. Like *Saving Pvt Ryan*? Why do people hear absolutes, when none are uttered? Reread the above - it does not say war films ONLY do well when the right is in power. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands of those who feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you. Samuel Adams NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- Why did they do this? Randall (Pearl Harbor) Wallace--producer, director and screen writer--could have easily ended the movie as he began it. The movie began with a short segment of a deadly ambush on a French column in the same valley ten years earlier; it should have ended with at least a passing reference to the dying that happened after Mel Gibson's character left the battlefield. The audience would have perhaps left the theater with a much different taste in their mouths, and a much more accurate understanding of the historical truth. However, apparently Mr. Wallace was more interested in a little flag waving, and wanted to send the audience home with a patriotic buzz. Doesn't anyone else find the timing of the release of all of these jingoistic flag-wavers a tad suspicious, considering that it takes at least 3 years to produce a movie? One wonders how/why Hollywood decided back in 1997/98 that 'patriotic' movies would suddenly become money-makers starting in late 2001... Jun A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: RevCOAL [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers -Caveat Lector- Why did they do this? Randall (Pearl Harbor) Wallace--producer, director and screen writer--could have easily ended the movie as he began it. The movie began with a short segment of a deadly ambush on a French column in the same valley ten years earlier; it should have ended with at least a passing reference to the dying that happened after Mel Gibson's character left the battlefield. The audience would have perhaps left the theater with a much different taste in their mouths, and a much more accurate understanding of the historical truth. However, apparently Mr. Wallace was more interested in a little flag waving, and wanted to send the audience home with a patriotic buzz. Doesn't anyone else find the timing of the release of all of these jingoistic flag-wavers a tad suspicious, considering that it takes at least 3 years to produce a movie? One wonders how/why Hollywood decided back in 1997/98 that 'patriotic' movies would suddenly become money-makers starting in late 2001... Jun It sure seems that way. But they have always done this. It may take a year to write a script, but they have vaults full of all types of scripts. It probably doesn't take much for a movie factory to swing into action producing crappy jingoistic war movies to empty the pockets of brainless robots who respond to patriotism the way that Pavlov's dogs responded to the dinner bell. Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boycott Mel Gibson's We Were Soldiers
-Caveat Lector- From: Nurev Ind [EMAIL PROTECTED] One wonders how/why Hollywood decided back in 1997/98 that 'patriotic' movies would suddenly become money-makers starting in late 2001... It sure seems that way. But they have always done this. It may take a year to write a script, but they have vaults full of all types of scripts. It probably doesn't take much for a movie factory to swing into action producing crappy jingoistic war movies to empty the pockets of brainless robots who respond to patriotism the way that Pavlov's dogs responded to the dinner bell. Well one has to question the premise that there were stacks of war-movie scripts just gathering dust in vaults; Hollywood as a rule is NOT innovative, and money slated to be invested in a proprosed film will more often go to tried-and-true story lines rather than something new... And war movies have NOT been money-makers in recent memory... So I doubt that there were gobs of war-themed scripts just sitting around, but even if their were, then one has to ask WHY scriptwriters suddenly decided to start writing scripts using a theme that at the time would not have seemed very promising in regards to getting the interest of investors who are only interested in making a handsome profit on the film they invest in... And even if war-themed scripts were sitting around just waiting to be made, it still takes a good 2 or more years to get a film made, from the time of drumming up enough investment money to getting all the principles signed to the actual filming to the post-production work of editing and scoring; in other words, long gone are the days where studios cranked out films in just a few weeks time...that went out with the 1930s... To put it more bluntly, none of these films were made AFTER Sept. 11, 2001, they were made well before that date, and one has to wonder WHY Hollywood suddenly decided that war films would be profitable, especially considering that not one of these films was ever scheduled to be released before Sept, 2001, but after that date It would seem that *someone* not only knew that such films would suddenly become popular (e.g., profitable), but also knew that they would be popular after September, 2001 I can't help but remember American Movie Channel's special a month or two ago regarding the cozy relationship that Hollywood has with the spook agencies, especially the CIA; the documentary showed how the CIA has actually been DICTATING to Hollywood what sort of films to make, and has been doing so since the 1950s... So perhaps 'The Agency' set the ball rolling 2 to 3 years ago in Hollywood to get these war films made; it also suggests that if this is so, then the CIA knew that *something* was going to happen in September 2001 that would make the release of these films starting in October of 2001 profitable... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
