Re: [CTRL] Pilger Attacked For Exposing Kosher Conspiracy

2002-02-14 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 but if they live in the borders of Israel, they have the same rights as
 anyone else living there. 

I consider Kalb and King important in that a lot of people listen to or read
them.  There are lots more.  Most of us suffer from the Casandra factor.
Important journalists do not.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Pilger Attacked For Exposing Kosher Conspiracy

2002-02-14 Thread thew

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 Most of us suffer from the Casandra factor.

Sorry bout my early morning ignorance - but what does this mean?


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Re: [CTRL] Pilger Attacked For Exposing Kosher Conspiracy

2002-02-14 Thread Party of Citizens

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, flw wrote:

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  no one denies that the Palestinians are mistreated in Israel at this
 time.
 
  but if they live in the borders of Israel, they have the same rights as
  anyone else living there.

 Yes of course. The same sort of rights Blacks had in the
 Old South. Separate but equal. More then a passing
 resemblance between good ole boy Sheriff Bull Connors and
 Bull Sharon.
 flw

I have read that Arabs preaching Christianity or Islam inside Israel, this
model democracy, can get up to three years in prison for it. I wonder
what the Constitution of the imminent Sovereign Nation of Palestine will
say?

POC

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Re: [CTRL] Pilger Attacked For Exposing Kosher Conspiracy

2002-02-13 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 Nobody needs needs your approval for anything. The Jews  have Israel because
 won it and can defend it. That's about the bottom line. Much as you don't
like it,
 there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. 

The Jews have Israel because it was given to them.  They have defended it
with considerable success, but that was all funded by American tax payers.
Approvals and disapprovals don't count, and that part about there not being a
damn thing anyone can do about it is true.  Who gets credit for obscuring the
sufferings and rights of the Palestinians?  Well, it does seem that the
majority of important journalists seem to be Jewish.   Would they allow their
allegience to their faith and to Israel to influence their work.  Yeah,
probably.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Pilger Attacked For Exposing Kosher Conspiracy

2002-02-13 Thread thew

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can you show me what percentage of important journalists are Jewish?

what makes one important?

no one denies that the Palestinians are mistreated in Israel at this time.

but if they live in the borders of Israel, they have the same rights as
anyone else living there.



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 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Pilger Attacked For Exposing Kosher Conspiracy

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 In a message dated 2/10/02 5:47:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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 Nobody needs needs your approval for anything. The Jews  have Israel because
 won it and can defend it. That's about the bottom line. Much as you don't
 like it,
 there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. 

 The Jews have Israel because it was given to them.  They have defended it
 with considerable success, but that was all funded by American tax payers.
 Approvals and disapprovals don't count, and that part about there not being a
 damn thing anyone can do about it is true.  Who gets credit for obscuring the
 sufferings and rights of the Palestinians?  Well, it does seem that the
 majority of important journalists seem to be Jewish.   Would they allow their
 allegience to their faith and to Israel to influence their work.  Yeah,
 probably.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Pilger Attacked For Exposing Kosher Conspiracy

2002-02-13 Thread flw

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 no one denies that the Palestinians are mistreated in Israel at this
time.

 but if they live in the borders of Israel, they have the same rights as
 anyone else living there.

Yes of course. The same sort of rights Blacks had in the
Old South. Separate but equal. More then a passing
resemblance between good ole boy Sheriff Bull Connors and
Bull Sharon.
flw

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Re: [CTRL] Pilger Attacked For Exposing Kosher Conspiracy

2002-02-13 Thread thew

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I have said it before - Sharon is a pig

just as I hate being identified with the black suited orthodox penguins, i
hate being defined by a violent intolerant asshole like Sharon.

as do most of the Jews I know.

if only the Muslims in Israel did not boycott the elections, did not choose
to not exercise their franchise , and ignore their rights and
responsibilities as citizens of Israel, in the midst of a violent intafada,
if only they had voted - maybe someone who wasn't a murderous rightwing hawk
, someone with an interest in the peace process would be in power, and a
dialogue would still exist.

but for some strange reason - they chose not to vote - almost as if they
felt the peace process had gone too far, and was too close to ending the
violence, and for some reason they didn't want a settlement - they wanted
warfare. I dunno - seems stupid to me.
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 no one denies that the Palestinians are mistreated in Israel at this
 time.

 but if they live in the borders of Israel, they have the same rights as
 anyone else living there.

 Yes of course. The same sort of rights Blacks had in the
 Old South. Separate but equal. More then a passing
 resemblance between good ole boy Sheriff Bull Connors and
 Bull Sharon.
 flw

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[CTRL] Pilger Attacked For Exposing Kosher Conspiracy

2002-02-10 Thread William Shannon
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,3740335%255E662,00.html



Australian stirs up racial row
By LEO SCHLINK in London
09feb02

AUSTRALIAN journalist John Pilger has been condemned for writing anti-Semitic stories, forcing his editor into a two-page apology in response to Jewish outrage.

New Statesman magazine, renowned for its left-wing views, yesterday carried a comprehensive apology in response to provocative articles co-authored by Pilger and Dennis Sewell.

The articles, dubbed "A kosher conspiracy", were promoted last month by a cover illustration featuring a Star of David stabbing a Union Jack.

It was accompanied by two stories claiming Israel had an unhealthy influence on media coverage of Middle East affairs.

The magazine's editor, Peter Wilby, said: "We (or more precisely I) got it wrong. The New Statesman is vigorously opposed to racism."

The magazine's offices were invaded last month by a Jewish lobby group called Action Against Anti-Semitism.

Wilby's apology soothed Jewish representatives, but Pilger has been held up to ridicule in the wider British media.

The Sun reserved a fierce blast for Pilger in its editorial.

"The fact John Pilger co-wrote the offending articles should not be forgotten," it said.

"Pilger is the worst kind of journalist. He can operate only because of the freedoms afforded to him by the West -- yet he devotes his life to attacking those values.

"Pilger prostitutes his limited talent around the world, making money by bringing comfort to Britain's enemies and the enemies of our American and Israeli friends.

"Wilby has said sorry. Will the harlot of hackery say sorry, too?"






Re: [CTRL] Pilger Attacked For Exposing Kosher Conspiracy

2002-02-10 Thread Party of Citizens

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Maybe this dude from oz is right. Unless the Kosherites can come up with
the Deed to the Holy Land and proof that they are the beneficiaries, this
return to the Holy Land thing must be bogus, ie a conspiracy. Or could
5,000,000 people migrate into that region displacing millions of
Palestinians and chalk it up to ignorance?
POC

On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, William Shannon wrote:

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HREF=http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,3740335%255E662,00.html;
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 Australian stirs up racial row
 By LEO SCHLINK in London
 09feb02

 AUSTRALIAN journalist John Pilger has been condemned for writing anti-Semitic
 stories, forcing his editor into a two-page apology in response to Jewish
 outrage.

 New Statesman magazine, renowned for its left-wing views, yesterday carried a
 comprehensive apology in response to provocative articles co-authored by
 Pilger and Dennis Sewell.

 The articles, dubbed A kosher conspiracy, were promoted last month by a
 cover illustration featuring a Star of David stabbing a Union Jack.

 It was accompanied by two stories claiming Israel had an unhealthy influence
 on media coverage of Middle East affairs.

 The magazine's editor, Peter Wilby, said: We (or more precisely I) got it
 wrong. The New Statesman is vigorously opposed to racism.

 The magazine's offices were invaded last month by a Jewish lobby group called
 Action Against Anti-Semitism.

 Wilby's apology soothed Jewish representatives, but Pilger has been held up
 to ridicule in the wider British media.

 The Sun reserved a fierce blast for Pilger in its editorial.

 The fact John Pilger co-wrote the offending articles should not be
 forgotten, it said.

 Pilger is the worst kind of journalist. He can operate only because of the
 freedoms afforded to him by the West -- yet he devotes his life to attacking
 those values.

 Pilger prostitutes his limited talent around the world, making money by
 bringing comfort to Britain's enemies and the enemies of our American and
 Israeli friends.

 Wilby has said sorry. Will the harlot of hackery say sorry, too?






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Re: [CTRL] Pilger Attacked For Exposing Kosher Conspiracy

2002-02-10 Thread Nurev Ind

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Party of Citizens wrote:

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 Maybe this dude from oz is right. Unless the Kosherites can come up with
 the Deed to the Holy Land and proof that they are the beneficiaries, this
 return to the Holy Land thing must be bogus, ie a conspiracy. Or could
 5,000,000 people migrate into that region displacing millions of
 Palestinians and chalk it up to ignorance?
 POC

Are you an Indian Poley? If you're not, then pack the fuck up and go back to
where YOUR ancestors hatched from.

Nobody needs needs your approval for anything. The Jews  have Israel because
won it and can defend it. That's about the bottom line. Much as you don't like it,
there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

And that's the way it will stay. No one needs the bible as a deed. You white Christian
devils didn't need the bible to steal 3/4 of the world.

Since god likes us better than you, he let us take the land against overwhelming odds.
So take it up with him if he'll talk to you. I know for a fact that he thinks you're
a demented asshole.

Who am I to argue???

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Pilger Attacked For Exposing Kosher Conspiracy

2002-02-10 Thread Party of Citizens

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On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, Nurev Ind wrote:

 a demented asshole.

 Who am I to argue???

I think you answered your question before you asked it.
POC

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Re: [CTRL] Pilger Attacked For Exposing Kosher Conspiracy

2002-02-10 Thread William Shannon
In a message dated 2/10/02 4:47:27 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Since god likes us better than you, he let us take the land against overwhelming odds.

With acts of terrorism and coersion that ought to make you feel very dirty...

Bill. 


Re: [CTRL] Pilger Attacked For Exposing Kosher Conspiracy

2002-02-10 Thread Bill

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 Nobody needs needs your approval for anything. The Jews  have Israel
because
 won it and can defend it. That's about the bottom line. Much as you don't
like it,
 there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

Palestine is in the hands of the Jews BECAUSE of the White Christian
Devils, how's about a little gratitude?;)

Bill Kalivas

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