Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Well, whatever, Wes... or bill or whatever your name is... At least I don't stoop so low as to use vulgar language to get my point across. Bad move??? LOL (you just keep me laughin') eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 1/14/00 11:24:08 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And before I forget, Pennie, I did respond to your private note to me, some time ago and it came back "undeliverable"... so why waste my time with you? Dudewhy LIE??? That's SO silly!! And it nullifies ANY credibilty you'd have had too!!! Bad move!! Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Hey Amelia, I'm not the one who started this thread... And I'm certainly not the one who changed the header to put my screen name in... I'd just as soon it was dropped too. There are too many other mails to read than to waste my time seeing my name in the subject line, and then to be taunted to respond. I believe the word is "to flame" in internet lingo. But then, I've never been one to back down from much of anything. Fear isn't in my vocabulary. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Amelia K Edgeman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 3:23 AM Subject: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Why waste ANY of our time with this? These back forth posts appear to be of a personal nature. Sure, I can delete them but what a waste of time downloading! I, for one, do not find your opinions of each other's belief systems, etc. on-topic nor remotely interesting. Amelia A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 1/19/00 1:38:53 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, whatever, Wes... or bill or whatever your name is... At least I don't stoop so low as to use vulgar language to get my point across. Bad move??? LOL (you just keep me laughin') Sorry to air this on-list but...W.E.S. are initials...friends call me Bill, you may call me William...anyway, it's come to my attention that you're a female, so my "dude" comment must be altered, cut "dude"...paste "dudette"...K?? So where is this "vulgar language" that I s'posedly used? ME?? Bad words??? Never! Bill... A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Yeah Dave You go boyflamin on A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: Eagle 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] You know... Mikus... You've stated in your comment, whether you realize it or not, exactly what the Bible is all about... that is FAITH. If *you* cannot define faith, then there is no way you will ever understand God or the Bible. As a Christian, "We walk by faith, not by sight"...Since you obviously cannot understand that concept, there is no way anyone should ever expect you to believe in God or the Bible. First of all, up until about a year ago, I was just like you. I defended my views on religion as vehemently as you are doing now. Anything said that was incompatible with my methods and ideals was something I either attacked, or ran from. I have a VERY good idea of what FAITH means. You have no possible reference point to gauge my abilities to rely on faith. Your Faith, and my Faith are obviously 2 different breeds. I opened my consciousness to other possibilities, and now place my FAITH in my own ability to live my life as I see fit, and not by some idealist who's been dead for 2000 years (or so). The ideals are great, the concepts are beautiful, but the actual powers behind it may just be smoke and mirrors. This is a no win situation... You attack the messenger, rather than the message, because you don't have enough knowlege of the subject of the Bible or God to attack either, substantially, so you attack me... So I say, OH WELL... and ho hum... Actually, it would be great if everyone treated everyone else as the Bible recommends, and there was no hunger, war, or killing in this world. The message is sound, the ideals are so similar to my ideals and morals as to be nearly impossible to differentiate. I'm not attacking your belief either. I'm just exposing my own opinion about how I currently believe, as opposed to what I believed in last year at this time. I'm not attacking you, but just trying to have a civilized debate. You may be right afterall, and I'm possibly moving down the "Wrong" path, as you would see it. Let me learn that for myself if it is true. But, you seem incapable of considering the other side of the equation as I have, and that is highly disruptive in trying to hold a civil discussion. Try not to feel so insulted, because it is not, and has not been you I have been attacking. Actually, I have not been attacking anyone yet, ... YET. You cannot prove or disprove many things in this world. For example, you cannot see gravity, but you know it exists. You may not understand it's principles, but you are being held to the ground by it's effects... there is something that there is no physical evidence for, yet you KNOW it exists. You put faith in that gravity to hold you to the ground so you don't go floating off into space somewhere, don't you? Of course you do. It makes no difference whether you understand the dynamics of it or not. You just know that you are not floating in space because of it. You have exercised faith in something... even if it is gravity. I won't get into gravity, black holes, gravitons, or string theory, because it is too far off subject, but gravity has physical, and accurately measurable effects that can be used to PROVE its' reality. Why say the Bible is incredible? It's incredible only if you choose it to be. And by your comments and several others' comments, you've simply and easily chosen the "route of least resistance"; and *that* is the way of the world. Actually, I think I was on an easier road when I was choosing to believe, and to not question my own beliefs. I now make my decisions based on what is best for my LIFE, not how someone else wants me to live it. It is actually a bit more difficult to take responsibility for EVERYTHING I do, and not be able to place part of my life on remote control. I don't expect it to make much sense to you, and I guess it would be worthless to even try to reword it, because it isn't the words that explain it. There is no way you will ever understand anything spiritual until you are willing to put faith in that which you cannot physically see. I cannot see my own consciousness, yet it exists, since I am here trying to have a reasonable discussion with someone I've never met. I will admit that I never really did pay much attention in Sunday School for 6 years, nor did I in Comfirmation classes, nor at any of the multitudes of weddings I've been best man or usher at. I am also not the god parent of at least 3 children. The promises I've made to these PEOPLE still stand, regardless of my own internally held opinions. Therefore, there is no argument on the subject of the Bible or God, as far as I'm concerned. The fact of the matter is that you are going to believe what you will and I will believe what I will. The first thing that has made any sense yet. I am not trying to change your belief system. I only jumped in to offer my opinion, and had it mauled in the
Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Hypocrisy exists because people are people. It's not Christianity that's the problem. It's people. No matter what race, religion, sex etc... So if you're going to blame something for Hypocrisy, look in the mirror, unless of course, you're not human. Which is possible I guess, seeing as we may have "evolved" from cute little monkeys (which is part of a bigger conspiracy altogether). Jamie It is very nice and special that your bible-belief keeps you safe and warm. MOST OF THE WORLD holds different beliefs, hence the "heathens" have been systematically exploited and butchered from time to time by those of your Xian faith. Hypocrisy in the Nth degree. CAN IT, OK? (it IS, I belive - OFF TOPIC.) If you insist on making it topical, hold onto your holy Xian ass, cuz it's gonna get flamed mightily. thanks. Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- P.S. - Thanks Dave for sticking your head in. But I think we can still resolve this peacefully. We will do ourselves no good to fight amongst our neighbors, while we have mutual concerns in other areas.Please keep the stupid proselytization off the list. Just to give proper credit, and not seem like I'm plagerizing anything here, I somehow accidentally pasted words of Dave's (i think) in with my P.S. It is seperated correctly below: P.S. - Thanks Dave for sticking your head in. But I think we can still resolve this peacefully. We will do ourselves no good to fight amongst our neighbors, while we have mutual concerns in other areas. This was part of Dave's comments as well. I actually have to look up what Proselytization means, so I know it wasn't mine. Please keep the stupid proselytization off the list. Dave Said: It is very nice and special that your bible-belief keeps you safe and warm. MOST OF THE WORLD holds different beliefs, hence the "heathens" have been systematically exploited and butchered from time to time by those of your Xian faith. Hypocrisy in the Nth degree. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Hey Dave, There's a difference between proselytizing and discussion... Of course, with your lack of knowledge in the spiritual realm, I should expect that your uneducated vocabulary and logic should include exclusion of such topics... because you can't talk about it... LOL~~But you sure want to be heard. Yeah... Dave's new motto ... ""I'm to be seen and heard, but anyone who even mentions the words "Bible", "Christian", "Jesus" or "God" is proselytizing and has to shut up... because I said so."" Good one, Dave. LOL eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Dave" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Please keep the stupid proselytization off the list. It is very nice and special that your bible-belief keeps you safe and warm. MOST OF THE WORLD holds different beliefs, hence the "heathens" have been systematically exploited and butchered from time to time by those of your Xian faith. Hypocrisy in the Nth degree. CAN IT, OK? (it IS, I belive - OFF TOPIC.) If you insist on making it topical, hold onto your holy Xian ass, cuz it's gonna get flamed mightily. thanks. Dave Hartley http: A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
ROTFL Dave,I'm actually enjoying this... Keep it rollin' Dave...Your comments just sent your credibility out the door. SLAM!LOLeagle 1- Original Message -From: "Dave" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Conspiracy Theory Research List" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 11:57 PMSubject: RE: [CTRL] Response To EaglePlease keep the stupid proselytization off the list.It is very nice and special that your bible-belief keeps you safe and warm.MOST OF THE WORLD holds different beliefs, hence the "heathens" have beensystematically exploited and butchered from time to time by those of yourXian faith.Hypocrisy in the Nth degree.CAN IT, OK? (it IS, I belive - OFF TOPIC.)If you insist on making it topical, hold onto your holy Xian ass, cuz it'sgonna get flamed mightily.thanks.Dave Hartleyhttp://
Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- It seems SOMEONE is resorting to adolescent arguement tactics. I know you are, but what am I? Seems this DISCUSSION has degraded to the point where it is useless to continue. I was hoping to make some progress in my own belief systems here, yet find that it may be better if I let this opportunity to learn something new, slide. I am not walking away empty handed, but severely disappointed I have not gotten as much from the discussion as I had hoped. I'm done, unless the trend returns to something constructive, and not a waste of time flaming about who is stupid, who is wrong, or who might be trying to force whatever view to whomever is listening... I join internet lists to further MY knowledge, and as a side effect, I may help someone else understand something about my belief system, and maybe spread some worthy Memes. I do not join lists to get in heated arguements about who has the better world-view. It is none of my concern. None of the above is directed at anyone in particular, for I am probably guilty of a flame, or trolling at some point in occasional discussions, but I try not to do it often, because it lessens the value of learning. One thing I am glad of, is that I now KNOW that someone out there is actually reading the stuff I decide to post... sly grin Mikus From: Eagle 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:28:25 -0600 ROTFL Dave, I'm actually enjoying this... Keep it rollin' Dave... Your comments just sent your credibility out the door. SLAM! LOL eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Dave" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Conspiracy Theory Research List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 11:57 PM Subject: RE: [CTRL] Response To Eagle Please keep the stupid proselytization off the list. It is very nice and special that your bible-belief keeps you safe and warm. MOST OF THE WORLD holds different beliefs, hence the "heathens" have been systematically exploited and butchered from time to time by those of your Xian faith. Hypocrisy in the Nth degree. CAN IT, OK? (it IS, I belive - OFF TOPIC.) If you insist on making it topical, hold onto your holy Xian ass, cuz it's gonna get flamed mightily. thanks. Dave Hartley http:// __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Eagle, you need to settle down. You are not exactly being a living example of the love of Christ. You are condemning the mainstream church in one breath and atheists in the next. Are you telling me that only Bible scholars like yourself are going to Heaven? You sound like the chief priests and Pharisees that Jesus called the brood of vipers. Jesus said that, but that doesn't give you the right to go around saying that yourself. I think your statement about TBN is a crock of crap. They do more to spread the Gospel than most. What do you do that is better than them? You think Jan's hair makes her a whore? Are you judging by appearances? Mainstream Christianity is not an abomination to God. Thinking that it is an abomination just might be worse. You think you have decoded Revelation? Well, you are wrong. Bill mentioned someone who asked you questions off-list and you didn't respond. I also asked you questions off-list and didn't get an answer from you. Maybe you are too busy or maybe you only like to respond when everyone is watching..? From: Eagle 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:47:28 -0600 -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- OK BILL... Since you're such an expert on "Christian attitude"... seems you should define it for all of us, so we all know exactly how a Christian is supposed to ""act"" Christ called those with a religious attitude in his day, "vipers", hypocrits (play actors), and progeny of the devil...So, since you know so much about this subject, tell us exactly, just what is this "Christian attitude"??? Hm ??? ... The problem is here, sir, YOU'RE the one who's brainwashed by the mainstream of Christianity that paints a picture of Christianity that would make a normal person turn the other way and run... The mainstream image of Christianity is the true harlot spoken of in Revelation. The modernday Judeo-Christian beliefs are such a far stretch from the reality of the truth, it's no wonder that Christ referred to it as false religion(s) and the false prophet(s) of the last days... Don't classify me into any such group, because I am neither fundamentalist, nor am I mainstream. I will repeat myself, I do not subscribe ascrib or prescribe to any religious organization, and for the record I watch TBN for entertainment purposes only... The lady with the purple hair is a real riot!!! What an example of Christian harlotry!!! Sheesh!!! Gene Scott once said that "TBN would be the mouthpiece of the false prophet in the last days..." And tho' I do not subscribe to Gene Scott's philosophies, this may be one time, I do believe this comment is true. I just don't believe in that TBN type of junk religion they buy and sell there ... OH!... you asked some unnamed person OFF *this* list about me someone unnamed who knows absolutely NOTHING about me??? and by that person's conclusions, you want to call what I believe "warped"??? when YOU have no clue...??? That's real good, Bill, shows me about what your opinion is worth. LOL ROTFL (thanks for the laugh!!!) Like I said, since you're such an expert on Christian attitude... Define it. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 7:12 PM Subject: [CTRL] Response To Eagle -Cavet Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A -Cui Bono- "Eagle" wrote- First of all... my name isn't Charlie... Well "no S*it Sherlock"...bet yer' not a Shelock either huh?? Go figure!!! And please do believe that the Bible is a fraud. OK...that's easy... Express your freedom of speech and freedom of choice. Makes me no mind... (However, I do hope I'm around to see your face when you find out it [the Bible] was all true, while you scoffed and mocked) Now is THAT a very "Christian" attitude?? But until that day, you can no more prove the Bible and Christianity is a fraud than there is a man in the moon. Um...to a reasonable degree of certainty, I could. To the brainwashed that'd be near impossible...so totally is your mind controlled. I'm not asking you to believe as I believe. As a matter of fact, I really could care less what you believe. Again with that fine "Christian" attitude! Hmmm... Believe what you want to... just give me the space to believe and express my beliefs in equal time, Bill... Well, OK...HOWEVER I have it on good authority, from a "Christian" with whom you've done "battle" on this list...but REFUSED to answer "off-list" that
Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- But until that day, you can no more prove the Bible and Christianity is a fraud than there is a man in the moon. Um...to a reasonable degree of certainty, I could. To the brainwashed that'd be near impossible...so totally is your mind controlled. Sorry to stick my head in here, but; I know there's a term for it, and it goes something like this; You cannot prove the NON-existance of anything. Without physical evidence, you cannot prove that something exists, and on the flip side, you would need physical evidence to prove something didn't exist, and the very existance of the physical evidence would prove that it did exist. It's a very difficult semantic arguement, relying on physical evidence to prove it exists on one side, and defeating a belief system designed to thwart the very disproval on the other. I can't remember a particular quote well enough to post it right now, but will post it at a later time, when I can find it, just to show the humorous aspect of trying to prove something doesn't exist. It's from one of Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker Books. You know, the trilogy of 5 books? Mikus __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- You know... Mikus... You've stated in your comment, whether you realize it or not, exactly what the Bible is all about... that is FAITH. If *you* cannot define faith, then there is no way you will ever understand God or the Bible. As a Christian, "We walk by faith, not by sight"...Since you obviously cannot understand that concept, there is no way anyone should ever expect you to believe in God or the Bible. This is a no win situation... You attack the messenger, rather than the message, because you don't have enough knowlege of the subject of the Bible or God to attack either, substantially, so you attack me... So I say, OH WELL... and ho hum... You cannot prove or disprove many things in this world. For example, you cannot see gravity, but you know it exists. You may not understand it's principles, but you are being held to the ground by it's effects... there is something that there is no physical evidence for, yet you KNOW it exists. You put faith in that gravity to hold you to the ground so you don't go floating off into space somewhere, don't you? Of course you do. It makes no difference whether you understand the dynamics of it or not. You just know that you are not floating in space because of it. You have exercised faith in something... even if it is gravity. Why say the Bible is incredible? It's incredible only if you choose it to be. And by your comments and several others' comments, you've simply and easily chosen the "route of least resistance"; and *that* is the way of the world. There is no way you will ever understand anything spiritual until you are willing to put faith in that which you cannot physically see. Therefore, there is no argument on the subject of the Bible or God, as far as I'm concerned. The fact of the matter is that you are going to believe what you will and I will believe what I will. Personally, I've had too many things in my life happen that have shown me, without a shadow of a doubt, that the Bible is real and that God is very real. It's really no big deal to me if you don't understand. Sorry you feel you have to have "PROOF"... so be it... OK... So what...??? In the words of a famous athiest, Don Henley... "Get over it". eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "mikus" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- But until that day, you can no more prove the Bible and Christianity is a fraud than there is a man in the moon. Um...to a reasonable degree of certainty, I could. To the brainwashed that'd be near impossible...so totally is your mind controlled. Sorry to stick my head in here, but; I know there's a term for it, and it goes something like this; You cannot prove the NON-existance of anything. Without physical evidence, you cannot prove that something exists, and on the flip side, you would need physical evidence to prove something didn't exist, and the very existance of the physical evidence would prove that it did exist. It's a very difficult semantic arguement, relying on physical evidence to prove it exists on one side, and defeating a belief system designed to thwart the very disproval on the other. I can't remember a particular quote well enough to post it right now, but will post it at a later time, when I can find it, just to show the humorous aspect of trying to prove something doesn't exist. It's from one of Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker Books. You know, the trilogy of 5 books? Mikus A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Please keep the stupid proselytization off the list. It is very nice and special that your bible-belief keeps you safe and warm. MOST OF THE WORLD holds different beliefs, hence the "heathens" have been systematically exploited and butchered from time to time by those of your Xian faith. Hypocrisy in the Nth degree. CAN IT, OK? (it IS, I belive - OFF TOPIC.) If you insist on making it topical, hold onto your holy Xian ass, cuz it's gonna get flamed mightily. thanks. Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Eagle 1 Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 10:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- You know... Mikus... You've stated in your comment, whether you realize it or not, exactly what the Bible is all about... that is FAITH. If *you* cannot define faith, then there is no way you will ever understand God or the Bible. As a Christian, "We walk by faith, not by sight"...Since you obviously cannot understand that concept, there is no way anyone should ever expect you to believe in God or the Bible. This is a no win situation... You attack the messenger, rather than the message, because you don't have enough knowlege of the subject of the Bible or God to attack either, substantially, so you attack me... So I say, OH WELL... and ho hum... You cannot prove or disprove many things in this world. For example, you cannot see gravity, but you know it exists. You may not understand it's principles, but you are being held to the ground by it's effects... there is something that there is no physical evidence for, yet you KNOW it exists. You put faith in that gravity to hold you to the ground so you don't go floating off into space somewhere, don't you? Of course you do. It makes no difference whether you understand the dynamics of it or not. You just know that you are not floating in space because of it. You have exercised faith in something... even if it is gravity. Why say the Bible is incredible? It's incredible only if you choose it to be. And by your comments and several others' comments, you've simply and easily chosen the "route of least resistance"; and *that* is the way of the world. There is no way you will ever understand anything spiritual until you are willing to put faith in that which you cannot physically see. Therefore, there is no argument on the subject of the Bible or God, as far as I'm concerned. The fact of the matter is that you are going to believe what you will and I will believe what I will. Personally, I've had too many things in my life happen that have shown me, without a shadow of a doubt, that the Bible is real and that God is very real. It's really no big deal to me if you don't understand. Sorry you feel you have to have "PROOF"... so be it... OK... So what...??? In the words of a famous athiest, Don Henley... "Get over it". eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "mikus" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- But until that day, you can no more prove the Bible and Christianity is a fraud than there is a man in the moon. Um...to a reasonable degree of certainty, I could. To the brainwashed that'd be near impossible...so totally is your mind controlled. Sorry to stick my head in here, but; I know there's a term for it, and it goes something like this; You cannot prove the NON-existance of anything. Without physical evidence, you cannot prove that something exists, and on the flip side, you would need physical evidence to prove something didn't exist, and the very existance of the physical evidence would prove that it did exist. It's a very difficult semantic arguement, relying on physical evidence to prove it exists on one side, and defeating a belief system designed to thwart the very disproval on the other. I can't remember a particular quote well enough to post it right now, but will post it at a later time, when I can find it, just to show the humorous aspect of trying to prove something doesn't exist. It's from one of Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker Books. You know, the trilogy of 5 books? Mikus A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor ef
Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
-Cavet Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A -Cui Bono- There's always the Block Address feature BTW, personal attacks and profanity BOTH destroy credibility, IMO. __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
-Cavet Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A -Cui Bono- William Shannon wrote: "Eagle" wrote- First of all... my name isn't Charlie... Well "no S*it Sherlock"...bet yer' not a Shelock either huh?? Go figure!!! Bill, your pathetic responses to posts can be quite irritating. If you are a teenager, forgive me; if you are an adult, please take some remedial education courses on how to debate. Or just read. And then come back in 20 years. I'm sure the internet will still be here. Kelly DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
-Cavet Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A -Cui Bono- In a message dated 1/10/00 9:04:13 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill, your pathetic responses to posts can be quite irritating. If you are a teenager, forgive me; if you are an adult, please take some remedial education courses on how to debate. Or just read. And then come back in 20 years. I'm sure the internet will still be here. Ohhh that's rich Thanks for the LOL! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
-Cavet Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A -Cui Bono- William Shannon wrote: In a message dated 1/10/00 9:04:13 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill, your pathetic responses to posts can be quite irritating. If you are a teenager, forgive me; if you are an adult, please take some remedial education courses on how to debate. Or just read. And then come back in 20 years. I'm sure the internet will still be here. Ohhh that's rich Thanks for the LOL! Bill. I am sorry CTRL list. Bill has just written me off list to remind me that personal attacks are not acceptable on CTRL. I can't explain my aberrant behaviour, except for the age-old excuse that once every month I turn into a stark raving lunatic 'female dog'. Most other times, I am nice. Battle away about Religion! And please don't kick me off the list Kris! I'll just go back to my Lurkdom Kingdom - I mean Queendom! Kelly DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
