Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] The Dorian Gray Legacy
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/19/2001 5:36:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gee, Amelia-- I thought they looked full of good will and good humor. And this bunch coming in looks awfully old and dour. Many of them haven't worked for a decade--outside of sitting on a corporate board or two. And most of them are at retirement age or beyond. You call that fresh? It's merely rich and corporate. Perhaps you're comforted by the Good Ol' Boy Country Club look. I mean, these guys who are coming in are the ones who banged us over the head 24/7 with the Clinton "debaucheries"--which I would say, according to any Cosmopolitan poll are rather common and ordinary and of very little consequence in the lives of most ordinary Americans. Humiliating Clinton and keeping him on the hot seat was a full-time Republican campaign into which milliions of private and public dollars poured. Now they're in the driver's seat, I will be very surprised if the same mean spirit doesn't come crashing down on all our lives. Don't let 'em catch you at any monkey business. Well said, Owl. I think the folks are in for "interesting times." Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] The Dorian Gray Legacy
-Caveat Lector- I listened while doing other work to the Ashcroft hearings and found them very sad, also. Judge White said he did not think Ashcroft's decision concerning him was racist. I will go on record as saying I think, based on what has come out at these hearings, that Ashcroft made the right decision concerning this man. White stated that Johnson should "be set free and given a second chance" after killing four people in cold blood, of which two were deputy sheriffs and a sheriff's wife (when he could not find the sheriff and in the presence of their eight year old daughter). If this man had "inadequate" counsel because they did not get him off on these killings, that does not mean it is "unfair" as lawyers are supposed to first seek justice and then the interest of their clients. I do not think a judge that ruled this way is fit to serve at the federal level, either. Nothing I saw made Ahscroft look nearly as bad as his accusers looked with their PC agenda. They DID have the look of debauchery about them as does so much of the outgoing administration, that taint and whiff of corruption. So beware of Reno driving a red pick up truck across the nation. I will also bet there are a few places where she will not be welcomed, too. It is time for some new people and faces and values and ideas as those espoused by Ted Kennedy and Barbara Boxer and Barney Franks are past their prime. Their time has come and gone. Amelia - Original Message - From: "Bill Richer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 12:21 AM Subject: [CTRL] The Dorian Gray Legacy -Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! The Dorian Gray Legacy Diane Alden Jan. 18, 2001 What is wrong with this picture? Whatever "gravitas" Senators and Representatives Kennedy, Boxer, Durbin, Franks, et al. ever had, they have blown. They have been Clintonized, which is something like Martinizing, I suppose, in that it protects them from anything approaching common sense and decency. Their attacks on their former colleague are not only unprofessional, they are also ludicrous. Democratic Ashcroft-bashers know their Senate colleague to be a good and decent man, certainly not a racist, a fair man, discerning and thoughtful, a person who holds beliefs which (God forbid) are Christian. The hearings, however, serve another purpose - they do show us a picture of America that is frightening. According to the left, John Ashcroft's sins include the fact that he is not pro-abortion, he believes in the Second Amendment to the Constitution, he actually upholds the spirit as well as the letter of the law in the various offices to which he has been elected. His actions as governor and senator have shown that he has integrity. Many of his former associates have said so. However, members of the left - and it goes without saying that includes the media, as well as the above-named politicians - have created a devil straw man in John Ashcroft and call it reality. Ashcroft once made a judgment call on a judicial appointment who happened to be black. So what? Everyone has made judgment calls, and unless the person is a blithering idiot or a fool, such calls are usually based on reasons that have nothing to do with being racist but have everything to do with common sense and prudence. For instance, you don't drive through a riot in urban areas with black populations if you are white. You don't walk in the projects in Atlanta at 2 a.m. on a Saturday night unless you have a death wish. You don't go to a white fundamentalist church that expects you to handle poisonous snakes because they take a passage from the bible literally. None of this is racist; it is simply making personal judgment calls based on what can and has happened to those who choose to do foolish and thoughtless things. The judicial appointee that John Ashcroft judged as not cut out to serve on a federal court made a judicial decision that Senator Ashcroft thought defied common sense. Ashcroft's reasons for not voting for the appointment were similar to what other responsible individuals, both black and white, had given for not wanting to appoint that same man to the bench. For the left to extrapolate Ashcroft's call as a sign of racism indicates just how crazy and foolish and pathetic they have become. However, what was personally sad for me was to watch the hearings as Senator Kennedy stumbled and mumbled and made himself look like a total fool. His attack on Ashcroft was indecipherable, like listening to an old drunk at a bar babble about some event that makes no sense whatsoever. Kennedy had no reasoned defense of his attacks on Ashcroft. It was a pleasure to see Senator Kyl of Arizona stand up to him. It was also personally sad for me to remember Kennedy's dignified and eloquent words, look
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] The Dorian Gray Legacy
-Caveat Lector- On 19 Jan 01, at 2:46, Amelia wrote: They DID have the look of debauchery about them as does so much of the outgoing administration, that taint and whiff of corruption. Gee, Amelia-- I thought they looked full of good will and good humor. And this bunch coming in looks awfully old and dour. Many of them haven't worked for a decade--outside of sitting on a corporate board or two. And most of them are at retirement age or beyond. You call that fresh? It's merely rich and corporate. Perhaps you're comforted by the Good Ol' Boy Country Club look. I mean, these guys who are coming in are the ones who banged us over the head 24/7 with the Clinton "debaucheries"--which I would say, according to any Cosmopolitan poll are rather common and ordinary and of very little consequence in the lives of most ordinary Americans. Humiliating Clinton and keeping him on the hot seat was a full-time Republican campaign into which milliions of private and public dollars poured. Now they're in the driver's seat, I will be very surprised if the same mean spirit doesn't come crashing down on all our lives. Don't let 'em catch you at any monkey business. sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Dorian Gray Legacy
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! The Dorian Gray Legacy Diane Alden Jan. 18, 2001 What is wrong with this picture? Whatever "gravitas" Senators and Representatives Kennedy, Boxer, Durbin, Franks, et al. ever had, they have blown. They have been Clintonized, which is something like Martinizing, I suppose, in that it protects them from anything approaching common sense and decency. Their attacks on their former colleague are not only unprofessional, they are also ludicrous. Democratic Ashcroft-bashers know their Senate colleague to be a good and decent man, certainly not a racist, a fair man, discerning and thoughtful, a person who holds beliefs which (God forbid) are Christian. The hearings, however, serve another purpose â they do show us a picture of America that is frightening. According to the left, John Ashcroft's sins include the fact that he is not pro-abortion, he believes in the Second Amendment to the Constitution, he actually upholds the spirit as well as the letter of the law in the various offices to which he has been elected. His actions as governor and senator have shown that he has integrity. Many of his former associates have said so. However, members of the left â and it goes without saying that includes the media, as well as the above-named politicians â have created a devil straw man in John Ashcroft and call it reality. Ashcroft once made a judgment call on a judicial appointment who happened to be black. So what? Everyone has made judgment calls, and unless the person is a blithering idiot or a fool, such calls are usually based on reasons that have nothing to do with being racist but have everything to do with common sense and prudence. For instance, you don't drive through a riot in urban areas with black populations if you are white. You don't walk in the projects in Atlanta at 2 a.m. on a Saturday night unless you have a death wish. You don't go to a white fundamentalist church that expects you to handle poisonous snakes because they take a passage from the bible literally. None of this is racist; it is simply making personal judgment calls based on what can and has happened to those who choose to do foolish and thoughtless things. The judicial appointee that John Ashcroft judged as not cut out to serve on a federal court made a judicial decision that Senator Ashcroft thought defied common sense. Ashcroft's reasons for not voting for the appointment were similar to what other responsible individuals, both black and white, had given for not wanting to appoint that same man to the bench. For the left to extrapolate Ashcroft's call as a sign of racism indicates just how crazy and foolish and pathetic they have become. However, what was personally sad for me was to watch the hearings as Senator Kennedy stumbled and mumbled and made himself look like a total fool. His attack on Ashcroft was indecipherable, like listening to an old drunk at a bar babble about some event that makes no sense whatsoever. Kennedy had no reasoned defense of his attacks on Ashcroft. It was a pleasure to see Senator Kyl of Arizona stand up to him. It was also personally sad for me to remember Kennedy's dignified and eloquent words, looks and demeanor at the funerals of his two brothers. There is none of that about him now. Supposedly a Roman Catholic, Kennedy bashing John Ashcroft for his beliefs as a Christian is almost impossible to comprehend. Since the senators, Democrats especially, are making judgments on John Ashcroft's philosophy and beliefs as a Christian, perhaps it would be wise to make a few about Democrats and what they believe as well. After watching some of them attack him, it was apparent that many of those attacks have nothing to do with ferreting out the truth about what Ashcroft believes or how he would uphold the law. It does indicate, however, that Democrats believe Christians who hold orthodox beliefs cannot hold public office. That means that nearly 50 percent of the people of the United States are disenfranchised. That means that only those who believe that the transference of wealth from producers to takers are acceptable for elective office. That means that only those who consider the Bill of Rights as a negotiable set of principles are allowed in the big club. That means that you can lie, cheat, steal, rape, think unrestricted abortion is the new sacrament of the P.C. religion, use various government agencies to punish opponents, confiscate millions of acres of various states, burn churches and small children, as in Waco, send an innocent 6-year-old back to a ruthless communist dictatorship, sell national security secrets to the highest bidder, allow millions of acres of public forests to burn, take over 50 percent of people's incomes in taxes, fees and hidden charges, create division by demanding multiculturalism, keep educational policies that produce illiterates, not say a word when one of your
