Re: [CTRL] USS Liberty Survivor Replies To Critic
-Caveat Lector- A radio ad about the attack was done with Jim Ennesduring a congressional campaign last year. It was played on Cincinnati radio stations during Rush Limbaugh, Dr. Laura andMichael Savage radio shows, and during local talk radio shows. You can listen to it at http://www.RealNews247.com/condit_for_congress_2002.htm /s/ Nick Landholt, 513-481-1992 -Original Message-From:William ShannonSent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 6:43 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] USS Liberty Survivor Replies To Critic-Caveat Lector- http://www.ussliberty.org/lentini2.txtLiberty survivor Joe Lentini replies to a criticwho email is appended below::Dear Mr. Brown:I was on board the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967,and I can tell you without any doubt, the recountof the attack in the Ennes book is accurate andthat there is much more to this issue than you areobviously aware.First, let me thank you for caring enough to evenlook into it. So many Americans know nothingabout the attack because of the politics involved,and so many others have a dual allegiance to theUS and Israel and, when it comes to any problemsbetween the two countries, they always leantowards Israel and so cannot see what happened in1967 or, for that matter, in more recent history(e.g., Pollard spy case and the slaughter ofPalestinians).There is an enormous amount of material which isconsidered documented and accurate by both thiscountry and Israel which clearly brings intoquestion the accidental attack claim by the Stateof Israel. There have been discoveries over thelast 35 years that have revealed attacking Israelipilots identifying our ship and being told toattack anyway, identified US military intelligencepersonnel who were privy to various messages andtranscripts clearly indicating the attack was acoordinated effort, and the sworn testimony of thesurvivors who, after all, were there. You maylocate much of this material, and see thedocumentation for yourself, by simply doing asearch on the Internet for "USS Liberty" andfollowing all links. You will see many sites withaccurate information, and some with not soaccurate information, and many with a clear biastowards protecting Israel's reputation.As for Jay Cristol's book - have not read ittotally yet, but I can tell you without any doubtthat much of his information and argument for theattack being an accident is based on half truthsand highly questionable Israeli reports.Let me give you something to think about, I hope,and something that will encourage you to lookdeeper into this historical moment.1. The ships logs clearly indicate tracking firstthe torpedo boats and then the high-speed aircraftpassing over them, both on a direct line to theUSS Liberty.2. The planes did not circle the ship trying toidentify the ship, but, instead, approached theship bow-on and came in shooting.3. The planes were flying well below their topspeed and many survivors who were fighting firesfrom the napalm and otherwise were topsideperforming assigned damage control noted thatthese planes were unmarked - this at a time whenIsrael was in control of the skies and had noreason to paint out the Star of David and otherclearly Israeli markings.4. A high ranking Israeli officer was interviewedseveral years later and clear states that Israelhad identified the USS Liberty by June 7, 1967.This is consistent with the several documentedoverflights by Israeli slow-flying aircraft on theday prior to the attack which were clearly takingour picture for identification purposes.5. Our flag was flying until the jets shot itaway. We then hoisted another, and that was alsoshot away. Finally, we ran up the huge holidayflag - one of these shot-up flags is on display atthe museum at the NSA Cryptologic Museum at Ft.Meade, Maryland. We were slowly sailing into thewind so the flag was standing out at all timesand, while the pilots might not have seen it in abow-on or stern-on attack posture, they certainlysaw it as they crisscrossed the ship, attackingfrom both port and starboard. Please note thatthese pilots saw well enough to hit the four 50cal machine gun mounts with at least two rocketseach, put at least one rocket through all topsidehatches/doorways, hit all antenna pods with two ormore rockets, blew up the two small boats onboard, and hit the only gasoline drum on board.Again, their speed allowed this degree of accuracyand they obviously had knowledge of our strategictargets.6. One of the Israeli torpedo boat captains wasalso interviewed several years later and he saidthat, after one of the five torpedoes had hit theship, he saw the colors of our flag and thought hehad hit a Russian ship. Kind of puts a kink in theIsraeli claim of June 1967 that we had no flag,doesn't it.7. Cristol and Israel both give credibility tothe Israeli claim of 1967 that the torpedo boatsmisread their radar to the point that they thoughtthe "unknown" ship off
[CTRL] USS Liberty Survivor Replies To Critic
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ussliberty.org/lentini2.txt Liberty survivor Joe Lentini replies to a critic who email is appended below:: Dear Mr. Brown: I was on board the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967, and I can tell you without any doubt, the recount of the attack in the Ennes book is accurate and that there is much more to this issue than you are obviously aware. First, let me thank you for caring enough to even look into it. So many Americans know nothing about the attack because of the politics involved, and so many others have a dual allegiance to the US and Israel and, when it comes to any problems between the two countries, they always lean towards Israel and so cannot see what happened in 1967 or, for that matter, in more recent history (e.g., Pollard spy case and the slaughter of Palestinians). There is an enormous amount of material which is considered documented and accurate by both this country and Israel which clearly brings into question the accidental attack claim by the State of Israel. There have been discoveries over the last 35 years that have revealed attacking Israeli pilots identifying our ship and being told to attack anyway, identified US military intelligence personnel who were privy to various messages and transcripts clearly indicating the attack was a coordinated effort, and the sworn testimony of the survivors who, after all, were there. You may locate much of this material, and see the documentation for yourself, by simply doing a search on the Internet for "USS Liberty" and following all links. You will see many sites with accurate information, and some with not so accurate information, and many with a clear bias towards protecting Israel's reputation. As for Jay Cristol's book - have not read it totally yet, but I can tell you without any doubt that much of his information and argument for the attack being an accident is based on half truths and highly questionable Israeli reports. Let me give you something to think about, I hope, and something that will encourage you to look deeper into this historical moment. 1. The ships logs clearly indicate tracking first the torpedo boats and then the high-speed aircraft passing over them, both on a direct line to the USS Liberty. 2. The planes did not circle the ship trying to identify the ship, but, instead, approached the ship bow-on and came in shooting. 3. The planes were flying well below their top speed and many survivors who were fighting fires from the napalm and otherwise were topside performing assigned damage control noted that these planes were unmarked - this at a time when Israel was in control of the skies and had no reason to paint out the Star of David and other clearly Israeli markings. 4. A high ranking Israeli officer was interviewed several years later and clear states that Israel had identified the USS Liberty by June 7, 1967. This is consistent with the several documented overflights by Israeli slow-flying aircraft on the day prior to the attack which were clearly taking our picture for identification purposes. 5. Our flag was flying until the jets shot it away. We then hoisted another, and that was also shot away. Finally, we ran up the huge holiday flag - one of these shot-up flags is on display at the museum at the NSA Cryptologic Museum at Ft. Meade, Maryland. We were slowly sailing into the wind so the flag was standing out at all times and, while the pilots might not have seen it in a bow-on or stern-on attack posture, they certainly saw it as they crisscrossed the ship, attacking from both port and starboard. Please note that these pilots saw well enough to hit the four 50 cal machine gun mounts with at least two rockets each, put at least one rocket through all topside hatches/doorways, hit all antenna pods with two or more rockets, blew up the two small boats on board, and hit the only gasoline drum on board. Again, their speed allowed this degree of accuracy and they obviously had knowledge of our strategic targets. 6. One of the Israeli torpedo boat captains was also interviewed several years later and he said that, after one of the five torpedoes had hit the ship, he saw the colors of our flag and thought he had hit a Russian ship. Kind of puts a kink in the Israeli claim of June 1967 that we had no flag, doesn't it. 7. Cristol and Israel both give credibility to the Israeli claim of 1967 that the torpedo boats misread their radar to the point that they thought the "unknown" ship off the Sinai Peninsula was traveling in excess of 20 knots and that local Israeli field commanders reported shelling of their position from that area of the Med. Possible? Sure! But take the time to look a little deeper please - The torpedo boats identified us as the El Quisar (sp?), an Egyptian troop and animal carrier 1)known to be in an Egyptian port at that time, 2) unable to make even 8 knots, and 3) with absolutely no armament whatsoever. It gets better! This ship is about 2/3 the size of the USS Liberty,
