Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Nazi ism = New Age?]
-Caveat Lector- On 28 May 99, , Robert wrote: -Caveat Lector- "Taylor, John (JH)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- SECULAR HISTORIAN SETS OUT TO SHOW DEEP OCCULT ROOTS OF NAZISM, BUT PROVES NAZISM AND NEW AGE ARE IDENTICAL! http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1185.cfm Today, we shall review a most interesting and informative book entitled, "The Occult Roots of Nazism: Secret Aryan Cults And Their Influence on Nazi Ideology", by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke, New York University Press, New York, 1992. If you are a New Age adherent, we urge you to carefully and thoughtfully consider the revelations contained within this article. You will discover that your beloved New Age is nothing more than Nazism hiding behind a mask of "Love", "Peace", and "Safety". You are worshipping Satan without realizing it. snipped for bandwidth I won't deny that German romantic occultism had much in common with present-day "New Age" beliefs. But this essay represents a serious misunderstanding of Goodrich-Clarke's book. The whole point is that there was no widespread occult conspiracy behind Nazism. There was a hodge-podge of very small cults, all of them extremely intellectual, which overlapped to a considerable degree with German Theosophy and Anthroposophy. A few members of the German political and social elite became members of one or another of these cults. Popular culture did absorb a lot of the jargon and symbols of the cults, such as the swastika; but to proclaim that German occultism was Satanic, and to identify nineteenth-century German occultism with the modern Western New Age movement, is naive and foolish. Are there common elements? Certainly. But there is NO overarching conspiracy involved--by the very nature of the New Age movement, any attempt to coordinate, let alone control, its very disparate elements is inevitably doomed to failure. And that happens to be the most important lesson to be drawn from Goodrich-Clarke's book. If you read nothing else from this book, read the appendix dissecting modern so-called "scholarship" on the occult connections of the Nazis such as Pauwels and Bergier. Goodrich-Clarke is scathing in his assessment of their incompetence as scholars. The point I remember Pawels and Bergier making most strongly was the Nazi rejection of Western science in order to support their notions of Aryan "genetic superiority," The Hollow Earth Theory, and other "far out" notions which have just recently come forward again and are being discussed in some quarters with some enthusiasm. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Nazi ism = New Age?]
-Caveat Lector- "Taylor, John (JH)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- SECULAR HISTORIAN SETS OUT TO SHOW DEEP OCCULT ROOTS OF NAZISM, BUT PROVES NAZISM AND NEW AGE ARE IDENTICAL! http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1185.cfm Today, we shall review a most interesting and informative book entitled, "The Occult Roots of Nazism: Secret Aryan Cults And Their Influence on Nazi Ideology", by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke, New York University Press, New York, 1992. If you are a New Age adherent, we urge you to carefully and thoughtfully consider the revelations contained within this article. You will discover that your beloved New Age is nothing more than Nazism hiding behind a mask of "Love", "Peace", and "Safety". You are worshipping Satan without realizing it. snipped for bandwidth I won't deny that German romantic occultism had much in common with present-day "New Age" beliefs. But this essay represents a serious misunderstanding of Goodrich-Clarke's book. The whole point is that there was no widespread occult conspiracy behind Nazism. There was a hodge-podge of very small cults, all of them extremely intellectual, which overlapped to a considerable degree with German Theosophy and Anthroposophy. A few members of the German political and social elite became members of one or another of these cults. Popular culture did absorb a lot of the jargon and symbols of the cults, such as the swastika; but to proclaim that German occultism was Satanic, and to identify nineteenth-century German occultism with the modern Western New Age movement, is naive and foolish. Are there common elements? Certainly. But there is NO overarching conspiracy involved--by the very nature of the New Age movement, any attempt to coordinate, let alone control, its very disparate elements is inevitably doomed to failure. And that happens to be the most important lesson to be drawn from Goodrich-Clarke's book. If you read nothing else from this book, read the appendix dissecting modern so-called "scholarship" on the occult connections of the Nazis such as Pauwels and Bergier. Goodrich-Clarke is scathing in his assessment of their incompetence as scholars. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
