Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/13/02 8:49:42 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sounds like sour grapes to me. Hardly...just wondering how 2% could have so much power. There is NO logical explanation for this...zip,zilch,zero. Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
Title: Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America -Caveat Lector- The logical explanation of hard work Or maybe its just cause god loves us on 7/14/02 2:51 PM, William Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/13/02 8:49:42 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sounds like sour grapes to me. Hardly...just wondering how 2% could have so much power. There is NO logical explanation for this...zip,zilch,zero. Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/www.ctrl.org/A" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlArchives" of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A" To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands of those who feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you. Samuel Adams NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
-Caveat Lector- Jewish people make up roughly 2% (I've also heard 3%) of the US population, yet numerically they have an extremely disproportionate reperesentation and influence in the legal system, the healthcare system, nass media, entertainment, news, banking and finance, higher education, and politics. Not bad. Admirable, in fact. (To put the 2% number in perspective, in 2000, people aged 85 or more constitutued an estimated 2 percent of the US population. In other words, in a random sampling of Americans, Jews should be about as common as people aged 85 and over.) How did this come to be? To an extent, it is self-perpetuating; if an ethnic group is numerous and influential within a sector of society, a combination of tradition, family expectations, and flat out favoritism will tend to maintain the status quo. Non-whites, non-males, and the poor of any ethnicity have known this all too well. Another factor, one that I and my fellow goyim may not like to hear, is that Jews may simply be as a group more tenacious, clever, intelligent, and creative than non-Jewish people. This is the conclusion that I would probably reach if, say, people 85 and older were so prevalent in the above-named fields and arenas. At any rate, I believe that the disproportionate number of Jewish people in positions of power and influence is not in and of itself sufficient to prove a "conspiracy." The situation would be ominous only to the extent that these people were working for common goals, a "Jewish Agenda" of some kind. Certainly, Jewish PACs are extremely powerful in Washington, and any PAC by definition seeks to influence government and promote a certain agenda. But I am not yet convinced that this extends beyond the political arena. There is no question that bankers, lawyers, entertainment executives et al. pursue certain common goals and agendas. But I believe these are more accurately described as financial, legal, and media industry agendas rather than Jewish agendas. Conversely, I believe that people who criticize the goals and conduct of "the bankers", "Hollywood" etc., should not be smeared with the "anti-Semitic" label. The issue of Jewish power in America is, like the issue of white male power in America, worthy of discussion and debate. Jews are no more and no less worthy of scrutiny than any other segement of society. I think it is simple common sense to assume that groups of Jews conspire to some degree, just as groups of, for example, Freemasons or oil executives conspire. Writing about the latter two is commonplace within the conspiracy community, and even in some mainstream venues. But even a hint of discussion or analysis of the first group is quite rare, even in the realm of so-called alternative media. Look, there is good research and bad research, theories that are plausible and theories that are ludicrous. I try my best to evaluate material along those two lines, regardless of the group that is the subject of the material. And I think freedom of speech is a concept that was meant to protect unpopular and controversial viewpoints, not popular and accepted ones. It rubs me the wrong way to see ANY idea or topic dismissed or censored out of hand, and it seems to me that this is by and large one of those topics. Indeed, as someone who considers himself to be an open-minded supporter of forums for alternative viewpoints, I feel distressed and hypocritical that at first I didn't think this posting was even worthy of discussion, and was even somewhat fearful that I too would be branded with the label of anti-semitism if I expressed myself in this regard. It's ironic, actually, that someonw who regularly criticizes and scrutinizes such baddies as the CIA, Freemasons, Big Oil, etc. would be afraid to address this issue. Speaking for myself only, Al Hidell A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
Title: Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America -Caveat Lector- Im STILL waiting for my check. Im still waiting to be called to conspire. I WANT MY PIECE OF THE JEWISH CONSPIRACY DOLLAR. Seriously I do. My poor parents they came here to a foreign country, speaking almost no English, after surviving an attempted genocide and worked their asses off to create a new home in a new place, and to raise, provide for, and educate a family. My father started his own businesses, my mother worked 16 hour days until she became head of medical departments. If only they had know they simply could have gone to World Jew HQ and gotten a big assed ol check. Their lives could have been SO much easier. BTW does anyone know a phone number JewConsipreCom? Maybe I can sue them for my money and connections. on 7/13/02 2:35 PM, Al Hidell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Jewish people make up roughly 2% (I've also heard 3%) of the US population, yet numerically they have an extremely disproportionate reperesentation and influence in the legal system, the healthcare system, nass media, entertainment, news, banking and finance, higher education, and politics. Not bad. Admirable, in fact. (To put the 2% number in perspective, in 2000, people aged 85 or more constitutued an estimated 2 percent of the US population. In other words, in a random sampling of Americans, Jews should be about as common as people aged 85 and over.) How did this come to be? To an extent, it is self-perpetuating; if an ethnic group is numerous and influential within a sector of society, a combination of tradition, family expectations, and flat out favoritism will tend to maintain the status quo. Non-whites, non-males, and the poor of any ethnicity have known this all too well. Another factor, one that I and my fellow goyim may not like to hear, is that Jews may simply be as a group more tenacious, clever, intelligent, and creative than non-Jewish people. This is the conclusion that I would probably reach if, say, people 85 and older were so prevalent in the above-named fields and arenas. At any rate, I believe that the disproportionate number of Jewish people in positions of power and influence is not in and of itself sufficient to prove a conspiracy. The situation would be ominous only to the extent that these people were working for common goals, a Jewish Agenda of some kind. Certainly, Jewish PACs are extremely powerful in Washington, and any PAC by definition seeks to influence government and promote a certain agenda. But I am not yet convinced that this extends beyond the political arena. There is no question that bankers, lawyers, entertainment executives et al. pursue certain common goals and agendas. But I believe these are more accurately described as financial, legal, and media industry agendas rather than Jewish agendas. Conversely, I believe that people who criticize the goals and conduct of the bankers, Hollywood etc., should not be smeared with the anti-Semitic label. The issue of Jewish power in America is, like the issue of white male power in America, worthy of discussion and debate. Jews are no more and no less worthy of scrutiny than any other segement of society. I think it is simple common sense to assume that groups of Jews conspire to some degree, just as groups of, for example, Freemasons or oil executives conspire. Writing about the latter two is commonplace within the conspiracy community, and even in some mainstream venues. But even a hint of discussion or analysis of the first group is quite rare, even in the realm of so-called alternative media. Look, there is good research and bad research, theories that are plausible and theories that are ludicrous. I try my best to evaluate material along those two lines, regardless of the group that is the subject of the material. And I think freedom of speech is a concept that was meant to protect unpopular and controversial viewpoints, not popular and accepted ones. It rubs me the wrong way to see ANY idea or topic dismissed or censored out of hand, and it seems to me that this is by and large one of those topics. Indeed, as someone who considers himself to be an open-minded supporter of forums for alternative viewpoints, I feel distressed and hypocritical that at first I didn't think this posting was even worthy of discussion, and was even somewhat fearful that I too would be branded with the label of anti-semitism if I expressed myself in this regard. It's ironic, actually, that someonw who regularly criticizes and scrutinizes such baddies as the CIA, Freemasons, Big Oil, etc. would be afraid to address this issue. Speaking for myself only, Al Hidell A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/www.ctrl.org/A" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
-Caveat Lector- This is what I mean about people jumping to conclusions and responding mindlessly to any attempt to discuss this topic. My post said precisely the opposite, that I did NOT believe in some kind of Jewish Conspiracy HQ. Well, I respect your opinion even though it has no relations to anything I said. I WANT MY PIECE OF THE JEWISH CONSPIRACY DOLLAR. Seriously â I do. My poor parents â they came here to a foreign country, speaking almost no English, after surviving an attempted genocide â and worked their asses off to create a new home in a new place, and to raise, provide for, and educate a family. My father started his own businesses, my mother worked 16 hour days until she became head of medical departments. If only they had know they simply could have gone to World Jew HQ and gotten a big assed olâ check. Their lives could have been SO much easier. Al Hidell PARANOIA: The Conspiracy Reader Box 1041 Providence, RI 02901-1041 http://www.paranoiamagazine.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
Title: Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America -Caveat Lector- Im all for discussions. I didnt say anything about your beliefs. I said something about mine. I agree with almost everything you said With just a slight bit of sarcasm removal ( something Im sure my words could use most of the time) what my post stated was that I think that Jews in America as a whole ( if there really is such a thing) shared a culture of hard work and education and were close enough to being white to be able to squeeze past the guardians at the gate. I also , in my inimitable manner, pointed out that I dont think there is a powerful good ol boys network of Jewish wealth. Quite the opposite the corridors of wealth and power were so closed to Jews, that they had to divest themselves of overt Jewish-ness, so they could play the game with the big boys. Because to the big boys where you come from matters a little less than how big your wallet is. To say you want to examine Jewish power like you would examine the CIA, the freemasons, or big oil, is to perpetuate the very myth that you claim to deny accepting that being Jewish grants you entrance into some organized group that shares goals ideas methods business contacts and a plan of action in other words a cabal or conspiracy. I dont think it exists. And if it does I want my check. ( you know us Jews always the bottom line) on 7/13/02 4:03 PM, Al Hidell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- This is what I mean about people jumping to conclusions and responding mindlessly to any attempt to discuss this topic. My post said precisely the opposite, that I did NOT believe in some kind of Jewish Conspiracy HQ. Well, I respect your opinion even though it has no relations to anything I said. I WANT MY PIECE OF THE JEWISH CONSPIRACY DOLLAR. Seriously I do. My poor parents they came here to a foreign country, speaking almost no English, after surviving an attempted genocide and worked their asses off to create a new home in a new place, and to raise, provide for, and educate a family. My father started his own businesses, my mother worked 16 hour days until she became head of medical departments. If only they had know they simply could have gone to World Jew HQ and gotten a big assed ol check. Their lives could have been SO much easier. Al Hidell PARANOIA: The Conspiracy Reader Box 1041 Providence, RI 02901-1041 http://www.paranoiamagazine.com http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/www.ctrl.org/A" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance -- -- Heathen, n. A benighted creature who has the folly to worship something that he can see and feel. Ambrose Bierce, the Devils Dictionary NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
-Caveat Lector- First, I appreciate your friendly response to what was my own "jumping the gun," assuming that you didn't have more things to say beyond your initial response. I think you would agree with me that at this point in time, a significant number of Jews have indeed got past the guardians at the gate and now walk the corridors of wealth and power. If this is true, and one also agrees that Jews do share a common culture to some extent--and also a rather unique and strong bond in light of past persecutions of Jews as a people--I would conclude that there is a de facto network of powerful and wealthy Jews. As you say, it was generally only their overt Jewish-ness that individual Jews had to discard. This implies that there are other, more covert, aspects of Jewish-ness that they retained. I don't mean this to sound sinister; I am just trying to say that it would be a natural thing for such successful Jews to continue to feel a unique bond--and to share some common culturally- or religiously-based goals and beliefs--with their fellow Jews. To that extent, I do feel that there is in fact a powerful network of Jews in America. To use less loaded terms, I believe that there are a number of wealthy and powerful Jews in our society who sometimes agree on and work towards common goals (and, of course, they also disagree on many issues, have conflicts and battles within their community, and ally with or oppose various non-Jewish groups at various times). The key question is, What kinds of common goals do Jews pursue? I honestly don't know. While there are certainly Jews who are committed to Palestinian human rights and who oppose Israeli government policies, I think it's safe to say that a majority of American Jews would like to see a pro-Israeli foreign policy. Beyond that, I don't really know what if any commonalties exist. I would suggest that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. In other words, I think Jewish power does exist and that it goes beyond, for example, the occasional Jewish business leader getting the child of a Jewish friends an internship, but that it falls far short of the comic-book-like scenario wherein all Jews provide robot-like obedience to the dictates of some central Jewish Command Center. I think that Jews in America as a whole (if there really is such a thing) shared a culture of hard work and education â and were close enough to being white to be able to squeeze past the guardians at the gate. I also , in my inimitable manner, pointed out that I don't think there is a powerful good olâ boys network of Jewish wealth. Quite the opposite â the corridors of wealth and power were so closed to Jews, that they had to divest themselves of overt Jewish-ness, so they could play the game with the big boys. Because to the big boys where you come from matters a little less than how big your wallet is. To say you want to examine Jewish power like you would examine the CIA, the freemasons, or big oil, is to perpetuate the very myth that you claim to deny accepting â that being Jewish grants you entrance into some organized group that shares goals ideas methods business contacts and a plan of action â in other words a cabal or conspiracy. I donut think it exists. Al Hidell PARANOIA: The Conspiracy Reader Box 1041 Providence, RI 02901-1041 http://www.paranoiamagazine.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/13/02 3:47:56 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To say you want to examine Jewish power like you would examine the CIA, the freemasons, or big oil, is to perpetuate the very myth that you claim to deny accepting â that being Jewish grants you entrance into some organized group that shares goals ideas methods business contacts and a plan of action â in other words a cabal or conspiracy. I donât think it exists. Like Masons, not all Jews are accepted into the inner circle, and therefore are not privy to the real agenda...clearly you are not a member of that sacred "33rd Degree"...HOWEVER the FACT that 2% of a population can CONTROL so much is PROOF of some conspiracy, some cabal...something ODD. So essentially you admit to being clueless to the game at hand, though it's possible you're simply being provocative, I have no idea as to your motives/agenda. I DO know that there is NO WAY to explain the disproportionate power your people wield except for some secret plan or game. There is no way that "hard work and education" alone could explain this phenomenon. Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
Title: Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America -Caveat Lector- Sounds like sour grapes to me. on 7/13/02 8:38 PM, William Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I DO know that there is NO WAY to explain the disproportionate power your people wield except for some secret plan or game. There is no way that hard work and education alone could explain this phenomenon. -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - He who does not prefer exile to slavery is not free by any measure of freedom, truth and duty. Kahil Gibran, Spirits Rebellious NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
-Caveat Lector- I think it's a combination of discipline and family support, both of which figure very prominently in the Jewish ethos. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In America
-Caveat Lector- on 7/13/02 11:55 PM, Tenorlove at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - This reminds me of a study from the late 50's or early 60's It was a report on marijuana use, and, at that time, it said the most likely user was a young Jewish male. It went on to say that this is because in the typical american christian family children are raised strictly, but come age 18 they are considered adults, are out of the house, on their own while jewish family structure gives a great deal of freedom to explore to the youth, which is balanced by longer term family responsibility and judgement. It was an old study, but at least in very broad brushstrokes seems to resonate. I think it's a combination of discipline and family support, both of which figure very prominently in the Jewish ethos. -- Doubt. Doubt thyself. Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself. Doubt all. Doubt even if thou doubtest all. It seems sometimes as if beneath all conscious doubt there lay some deepest certainty. O kill it! Slay the snake! The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exalted Dive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind, until thou unearth the fox THAT. On, hounds! Yoicks! Tally-ho! Bring THAT to bay! Then, wind the Mort! Uncle Al. the kiddies pal NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
