Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/25/2002 1:43:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jews and Palestinians in the Middle East share a very similar gene pool and must be considered closely related and not genetically separate, the authors state. Rivalry between the two races is therefore based 'in cultural and religious, but not in genetic differences', they conclude. How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to claim that Jews have a completely separate gene pool from that of Moslems. According to the Bible that I read and the Koran (I'm not sure just which Jewish holy book tells the story), Abraham is the ancestor of both Jews and Moslems. If Jews and Palestinians have no genetic connection, then the entire rationale of the Old Testament is false, and all Israeli claim to the holy land is false as well, because the very story that gives them claim would be compromised. I realize that most folks do not consider the Bible to represent scientific fact, but since the Bible and science appear to agree with regard to this matter, what's the issue here? Prudy A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/26/2002 8:18:45 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to claim that Jews have a completely separate gene pool from that of Moslems. According to the Bible that I read and the Koran (I'm not sure just which Jewish holy book tells the story), Abraham is the ancestor of both Jews and Moslems. Most Israeli Jews are Ashkenazi (Khazar) and have nothing in common with the Arabs. The Sephardics do and are treated like 2nd class citizens. Bill. A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake...
Title: Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake... -Caveat Lector- on 11/26/02 9:25 AM, William Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to claim that Jews have a completely separate gene pool from that of Moslems. According to the Bible that I read and the Koran (I'm not sure just which Jewish holy book tells the story), Abraham is the ancestor of both Jews and Moslems. Most Israeli Jews are Ashkenazi (Khazar) and have nothing in common with the Arabs. The Sephardics do and are treated like 2nd class citizens. This just is not as true as it used to be. Especially with the huge amount of intermarrying between Sephardic and Ashkenazi families in Israel ( that and the fact that many Ashkenazi Jews are descendents of Sephardim who fled Spain in 1492) the distinction in Israel is just not as clear or strong as it used to be. I have Sephardim cousins who hold top jobs in banks, the military, and computer businesses there. No one treats their children badly because no one sees it as a mixed marriage of any sort. More powerful (as everywhere in the world) are differences due to economic status, rather than origin. The rich rule over the poor. It was always thus, everywhere, and it is more so now. -- - --- -- --- -- Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is a force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action. George Washington NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake...
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake... -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/26/2002 8:18:45 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to claim that Jews have a completely separate gene pool from that of Moslems. According to the Bible that I read and the Koran (I'm not sure just which Jewish holy book tells the story), Abraham is the ancestor of both Jews and Moslems. Most Israeli Jews are Ashkenazi (Khazar) and have nothing in common with the Arabs. The Sephardics do and are treated like 2nd class citizens. Bill. Most Israelis are Ashkenazis which has nothing to do with Khazars as Shanon the lying racist prick well knows. There are several well known studies which demonstrate quite ironically that ALL Jews from different parts of the world, including the Black Jews of Zimbabwe, are strongly related to the Arabs who have lived in and around what is now Israel. The Israeli/Arab conflict is not about race. It's about religion and land. Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake...
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Prudy L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake... -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/25/2002 1:43:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jews and Palestinians in the Middle East share a very similar gene pool and must be considered closely related and not genetically separate, the authors state. Rivalry between the two races is therefore based 'in cultural and religious, but not in genetic differences', they conclude. How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to claim that Jews have a completely separate gene pool from that of Moslems. Your delineations are fuzzy here Prudy. You mixing apples and oranges. Jews/ Arabs are ETHNIC delineations. Moslems are people who are followers of Islam. John Walker Lind is a Moslem. He and any Jew DO have a completely separate gene pool. According to the Bible that I read and the Koran (I'm not sure just which Jewish holy book tells the story), Abraham is the ancestor of both Jews and Moslems. This is what is known in scientific terminology as bubba meises. Mythology. It might be based on truth, but likely is not since the Bible was written about fifteen hundred years after Abraham, and the Koran, much later than that. The Koran is OVERTLY unhistorical. More so than the Christian Bible which was at least based on real historical characters. If Jews and Palestinians have no genetic connection, then the entire rationale of the Old Testament is false, You're a littele confused ol' girl. The above statement is a non-sequiter. The relationship between Jews and Palestinians has no bearing on the veracity of the Bible. The Bible could be entirely made up drivel and that would not prove anything as far as genetic makeup is concerned. The Jews and Arabs (NOT Palestinians) have lived in close proximity for so long that it would be remarkable if all through history they did not conquer each other at various times and intermarry. THIS is what's certain. Not the various legends. The Palestinians are a recently made up phenomenon. They are not a real ethnic group. They are Arabs. That's all. They are no more distinctive than the Arabs from Syria. They migrated to the Turkish provence which is now Israel, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon, at the same time that the European Jews began their migrations from Europe. The Palesdtinians are as new immigrants as are the Ashkenazis. That's not to say that there weren't people living there already. There were. They were Arab landless peasants mostly working for absentee Turkish and Arab landlords. There were many small indiginous groups in villages. Most, but not all were Arabs. AND, there was a continuous Jewish population who lived there in an unbroken line for 3000 years. This population's size varied. The new bullshit being pushed by the Palestinians is that they are decendants of the Cananites. Thereby creating an historical line that goes further back than the Jews. The only problem with that is that the Cananites were NOT ARABS. The Cananites were Phoenecians who were Europeans. There is no genetic connection between Cananites, Jews, and especially Arabs who didn't really live in that part of the world. They lived mostly in the Arabian interior. Then they pushed out with the military expansion of Islam. [ ALL THE PLACES THE ARABS CLAIM OUTSIDE OF THE MECA/MEDINA REGION WERE STOLEN FROM INDIGINOUS POPULATIONS BY FORCE AND THREAT OF DEATH. THAT INCLUDES ISRAEL AND IT'S SURROUNDING AREAS. ] There is an excellent site about Phoenecians on the web. Check it out and get a clue. and all Israeli claim to the holy land is false as well, because the very story that gives them claim would be compromised. When will you people ever get it right? It's not the STORY in the book that gives Jews the claim. It's the HISTORY that gives Jews the claim. The connection does NOT depend on the legends in the Bible. I realize that most folks do not consider the Bible to represent scientific fact, but since the Bible and science appear to agree with regard to this matter, what's the issue here? Prudy The issue is racism and Jew hatred. You should know that by now. In any case consider this. Posession is 9/10ths of the law. It's not Bibles and legends, and idiotic claims by lying Arabs and racists like Hoffman and Shannon. These are all irrelevant in the end. It's about possession AND THE STRENGTH TO KEEP YOUR POSSESSION. The lawyers and theologians can beat their gums about the rest. That's all folks, Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake...
-Caveat Lector- 11/26/02 10:08:28 AM, Nurev Ind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - There are several well known studies which demonstrate quite ironically that ALL Jews from different parts of the world, including the Black Jews of Zimbabwe, are strongly related to the Arabs who have lived in and around what is now Israel. And the references are? The studies can be found where? AER + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. --- Ernest Hemingway A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
