Re: [CTRL] Webfairy
-Caveat Lector- While I do not doubt what you have provided here, I would like to state something for clarity's sake: If Webfairy got these images directly from an actual film of the "attack" then the initial images were either doctored or invented (the first images she provided showed a close up of something with great detail though it looked ridiculous). We are also left with the question of why in the images she provides there is a series from one frame to the next, in what is currently available at her website, where the object actually jumps BACKWARD for a single frame, then resumes its course forward. Is this not evidence of tampering? ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: neither webfairy nor her cult followers have come up with any successful refutations of these critiques:http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/767orwhatzit.htmlhttp://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/767orwhatzit2.htmlher mistakes concerning video formats, compression artifacts, etc, are laughable.but anybody can use the old fascist technique of ignoring criticism, and instead "just keep saying it over and over until it becomes the truth."-brian www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Webfairy
On Aug 23, 2004, at 7:58 PM, Adam Bruce wrote: x-tad-bigger-Caveat Lector- /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerWhile I do not doubt what you have provided here, I would like to state something for clarity's sake:/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerIf Webfairy got these images directly from an actual film of the attack then the initial images were either doctored or invented (the first images she provided showed a close up of something with great detail though it looked ridiculous). We are also left with the question of why in the images she provides there is a series from one frame to the next, in what is currently available at her website, where the object actually jumps BACKWARD for a single frame, then resumes its course forward. Is this not evidence of tampering?/x-tad-bigger i have seen nothing that looks like the object jumping backwards for one frame in the naudet DVD version of the first footage, which is the benchmark. can you point me to the best example of a file that shows this 'jump'? this certainly deserves a careful look as possible evidence of tampering by somebody or other. aside from this, the main point to keep in mind is that the original naudet footage has a very low resolution image of the aircraft, which doesn't have enough detail to make fine judgements about anything. deductive logic, plus witness statements and the perfectly 767-shaped entry hole, support the existence of a 767 and not something else. the notion that one can get more resolution from nothing by using a fractal enlargement program and see details that aren't already visible in the video is pure BS. -brian
Re: [CTRL] Webfairy
-Caveat Lector- This is a voluminous email on Webfairy's antics of the past and I suggest that anyone wanting to know more about here read all of it. At one time she pressed to meet me and I am now glad I didn't. I came frightfully close once. At the very least, the following snips, all from emails she posted to my ex-Yahoogroup, Psy-Op, show just how unscientific and illogical is her deductive process. Still, I cannot find the references to the close-up of an object with black and white tiles. It is possible that I saw it in a private email from her. A snip from an email quoting Webfairy, an email posted by Paul Walker" [EMAIL PROTECTED] (as my list was hacked, the original email addresses are hidden even from me - remote password change) follows. You are welcome to browse the list to see that at no time did Webfairy take exception to all of this. She did not deny, at any point, having said these words but continued in a long, ongoing discussion although it does seem that she is referring to frames posted at artbell.com and not the frames on her site (much more interesting stuff on Webfairy follows): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/psy-op/message/5554 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:10:33 -0600From: The WebfairySubject: Re: Thomas Paine and Snake Plissken bring us back from North Towerto the Pentagon and the real case against the government.Huh? First, I'm a she. A 50 year old grandmother in Chicago,disabled by a hip replaced twice.I'm not connected to any intelligence apparatus except my own brain.I too have been researching this situation 7 days a week and fulltime since 9-13, when Bush made his warmonger speech instead ofcomforting the nation.Second, there is an IMMENSELY PECULIAR Something on that tape.Immensely peculiar.I have all the frames split out in a 640x480 size format, and theWhatever is very peculiar, and Very there.If you need a "smoking gun" it is there in the stills from thattape.This is my detailed analysis after studying the blow-ups of thesingle frames, as posted to CIA-Drugs last night:Very wierd is putting it mildly.There's one frame where the sucker appears to back up!It seems to emerge intact, leaving a shadow that is cigar shape likethe artbell thing athttp://artbell.com/graphics19.htmlI'd guess whatever that video caught is what this video caught, butfrom farther away, and going in at an incredible speed.I exported the frames at 30 frames per second.The whatever it us appears in the first frame the camera caughtafter turning the camera toward the WTC. The first few framesshowing it, it is HAULING ASS. The first 12 frames showing it showsignificant movement (at least the width of the thing worth ofmovement per frame) then it um, backs up during one frame.Then it's movement is significantly slower...it takes two frames toshow movement. Then it takes 3 frames to show movement, and then ithits.There are 40 frames between the spot where it backs up and where itdisappears into the building. This is less distance than it coveredin the first 12 frames in which it was visable, before it "backsup." ~~~ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/psy-op/message/5506 From: The Webfairy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: WedMar13,2002 3:34 pm Subject: Re: [APFN] Just One Problem with Specualtions on Flight 11 and the North Tower *no* 757 or any other plane we know about moves 5 times faster thanthe speed of a fireball.NONE.Yet that's what this video shows, once split up into individualstills.I have irfanview, a free file viewer, with which I stepped throughthe frames.The *whatever it is* showed significant movement IN EVERY FRAMEuntil it gets *very* close to the building, at which time it takestow frames to show movement, and then three. To see any movement inthe smoke or flames takes 5 frames at least.This whatever it is is *really, really streaking.*http://www.taner.net/wtc/media/First_Plane_Crash_SLOW_.mpegI think this whatever it is is moving plenty fast to cause a sonicboom. ~~~ The following is copied from: [Fwd: FW: WTC1 or the WHATZIT of the EMPIRE]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/psy-op/message/6467 From: The Webfairy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: WedApr17,2002 12:43 am Subject: [Fwd: FW: WTC1 or the WHATZIT of the EMPIRE] From: Barbara [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: FW: WTC1 or the WHATZIT of the EMPIRETo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] added more blowups of the craft parts and scenario that Webfairydid of thestills of the WTC 1 event. there ofcourse is much more.. hopeyou allcan see some of what i put up..enlarged and cut apart to view .grantedthese are strange reptilian craft.. we are NOT used to seeing.. yetthere ismuch that we should be able to recognize from our so called Xrulersand the symbology that they utilize'http://www.wiolawapress.com/signature.htm ~~~ Next, Webfairy claims that the plane that hit the building is something other than the "whatzit" and that the building was hit twice, once by "each" object: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/psy-op/message/5879 From: The Webfairy
Re: [CTRL] Webfairy
-Caveat Lector- First, I would like to state that Webfairy was on my list at Yahoogroups at one time(Psy-Op), in fact, at the very time that the "whatzit" hit the digital electron waves, i.e. first came out. I don't know who was around to see the FIRST "whatzits" but initially, those images were vastly different. They were less blurred and showed a VERY hokey looking rocket of some sort. At first, the "whatzit" looked like some sad excuse for special effects of the 1950's Japanese variety, ala Godzilla. This was changed. Now, the image is blurry and there appears to be a moment in the series of frames in which the object actually jumps BACKWARD, suddenly, but only for a second, finally resuming its course forward. Such a jump would have created a g-force sufficient to completely disintegrate the object in question. Soon after, Webfairy was claiming it as evidence that the object was of a technology either alien or previously undivulged. I consider it far more likely that it was a problem that arose during the "editing" process (i.e. during the fabrication and/or alteration) but it came out anyway. Perhaps there was some deadline to meet. * www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] webfairy
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/11/2003 11:30:44 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: is the man pass it on I believe the Webfairy is a woman. Bill. A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] webfairy
-Caveat Lector- dis woman is da man --- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/11/2003 11:30:44 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: is the man pass it on I believe the Webfairy is a woman. Bill. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om = Some links and my new listserv http://makeashorterlink.com/?X3BE13C03 Scotland: Anti-war train drivers refuse to move arms freight http://makeashorterlink.com/?R1AD21B03 First Local Salvia Divinorum Ordinance Proposed http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2CE13C03 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
