CS: Pol-Caretaker etc.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Picture this - a 14 year old boy sitting on a bench in full rugger kit the school playing field changing room repeatedly cocks and then fires an unloaded 9mm Sterling SMG, marvelling at the simplicity of the action and listening attentively to the 16 year old boy who has just taken the SMG out of the school CCF armoury to show him how it works. [snip] I had similar experiences, and in the same era. I can remember roaming around Kent in battledress and carrying a No 4 Lee Enfield, even on one occasion hitching a lift in that condition. I don't remember anyone batting an eyelid or even passing comment. My school had a full armoury, holding rifles, SMGs and Bren guns but the last time I went back there, about 10 years ago, it had gone. I can also remember shooting .22 rifle at the range under the Bank of England back in the 60's. I wonder if that range is still there. Anyone know? Steve -- S C Catt, Preston, Lancashire, UK Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Holocaust Memorial Day
From: "Derek Bernard", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today, Saturday 27th January, is Holocaust Day. Perhaps it is therefore a particularly appropriate day to review an article by the eminent American constitutional lawyer, Stephen Halbrook, which attempts to explain the "How", if not the "Why". May I most strongly recommend it to you all. You will find it at: www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.html. Please consider circulating it as widely as possible. Derek Bernard Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Legal-Cullen Transcript
From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was yesterday searching the Cullen Inquiry Transcript on the web but failed to find anything about McMurdo's police chauffeur/driver. Roughly, I'd say the Inquiry threw up a very large amount of not-particularly-indirect evidence that Hamilton was for 20 years running a paedophile operation in his boys' clubs and both the police and Stirling Council seem to have had enough complaints about him for him to be made a target for surveillance - but that never happened for some reason. Bearing in mind the number of Council-related paedophile scandals that have surfaced in the 4 years since the Dunblane Massacre it's clear Lord Cullen was just behaving "normally" for the period in denying paedophile activities by Hamilton and decrying the witnesses and evidence. I don't know why nobody but me seems to be taking an interest in re-examining the Transcript from which Cullen's Report was abbreviated, but for sure it's the basis on which handguns for sport shooting were banned in Great Britain, so if you want your pistols back, get the lead out and take an interest. Unless you've been visiting the reference libraries in Scotland where the Transcript resides in hard copy, NO, you haven't read it all before in the newspapers. After 4 years it still stinks. Check out the source document for yourself - it's linked (Scottish Office)to the end of the Contents page of the Cullen Report on: http://www.official-documents.co.uk/document/scottish/dunblane/dunblane.htm Regards Norman Bassett drakenfels.org -- I have been looking through it the last few days but I haven't found anything scintillating yet. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Field-foxes
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK now what do you do with it, shoot it?Chris. -- No, you shoot it and cut it up, wrap it in bacon and eat it I reckon! Steve, Chris, What's with the bacon anyway? Haven't you heard of making fox jerky? Or, how about fox sausage? I'll wager none of you gentleman has ever paunched a fox, nor handled its flesh, else you wouldn't suggest anyone eats it. The flesh of a fox is as dark as that of a hare, but it smells as bad as the fox itself. It is a rich meat, compared to the delicate flesh of a rabbit, and my old redtailed hawk loved it. The foxes were worth shooting just to feed the hawl a rich diet through the summer moult, if for no other reason. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Hunting ban
From: RustyBullethole, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't believe that cats feature on the fox's menu: mice, birds, worms, fish chips, pizza and hamburgers yes, but not domestic cats. Jonathan is right, foxes give domestic moggies their due respect. I once watched some night vision recordings of a back garden in the UK in which a moggie sat washing it's face right in the middle of a footpath. A large fox had to step around the moggie to be on his way - both ignored each other, as equally matched opponents generally do. The odd kitten may fall victim, but an adult cat is more than a match for any fox. Rusty Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-what registration means...
From: "N. L. Cobb", [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.report.ca/magazine/p09i010205f.html Albert Frohike personifies the criminal intent of his government: The mysterious Mr. Frohike B.C. gun owners are threatened by a federal official abusing confidential information by Shafer Parker Former firearms instructor Lowe: His certification was snatched after he criticized the RCMP. -- -- EXPERIENCE has taught Cranbrook, B.C., resident Rick Lowe, 45, that hard knocks should be expected for gun enthusiasts who openly oppose the new Firearms Act. Mr. Lowe has been a certified firearms instructor since March 1994. But his teaching career ended last year after he wrote a couple of letters in late March 2000 to the Cranbrook Daily Townsman calling for an investigation of the local RCMP detachment. Mr. Lowe was inspired to write after police admitted in court they had used false information to obtain a warrant that allowed them to search the home and seize the guns of James Buck from nearby Wardner, B.C. Mr. Lowe's call for an investigation was based on the decision rendered by Cranbrook provincial court Judge Don Carlgren. After ordering police to return Mr. Buck's guns, the judge stated in court that they had shown a "complete and utter disregard for the niceties of the law and the rights of the accused." Stung by Judge Carlgren's comments, Cranbrook police issued a report that insisted the officers had "acted in good faith...based on the new Firearms legislation." Then somebody decided Mr. Lowe should be punished. On April 19, A.J. (Tony) Heemskerk, Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) for British Columbia, wrote Mr. Lowe a letter advising that his designations as a Canadian Firearms Safety Course and Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Course Instructor in B.C. were being revoked. "You have consistently demonstrated a lack of support for the Firearms Act and have demonstrated an unprofessional attitude towards my office and staff," Mr. Heemskerk wrote. A former soldier who now serves as an industrial first-aid attendant and builds computers in his spare time, Mr. Lowe was surprised his teaching certificate was revoked by the CFO. "It's upsetting to realize you can be removed as a firearms instructor merely because you've been critical of mistakes made by the local police," he says. He admits that local firearms officer Dennis Johnson may have other reasons to dislike him. Two years ago he led the fight to stop local RCMP officers from illegally charging a fee to renew gun-carry permits. And he successfully challenged Mr. Johnson's initial refusal to register a Basque .380 automatic pistol he had purchased in 1998. Mr. Lowe secured the registration only after offering proof that at least 11 other Canadians had been allowed to register the same weapon in other jurisdictions, and he threatened to take Mr. Johnson to court. "But I can assure you," he says, "that I never criticized the Firearms Act when acting as an instructor." His last assertion is backed by Cranbrook lawyer Neil Robertson, who wrote a letter to Mr. Heemskerk on Mr. Lowe's behalf shortly after he lost his certification. Mr. Robertson's wife had attended a safety course taught by Mr. Lowe, Mr. Robertson stated, and he had accompanied her to most of the sessions. "I have never heard Mr. Lowe demonstrate a lack of support for the Firearms Act," he wrote, "nor have I heard him display any sort of an unprofessional attitude toward your staff or office...During the course...certain of the attendees expressed strong opposition to many aspects of the Firearms Act." Mr. Lowe was entirely professional in his responses, saying simply that while any citizen is entitled to his views, the Firearms Act is the law of the land and must be obeyed by anyone wanting to legally have and use firearms in this country. Ten days after Mr. Lowe lost his safety instructor's certification, he received an e-mail from an Albert Frohike that made reference to his teaching certificate revocation, even though the information had not been made public. Mr. Lowe does not know Mr. Frohike, although a person using that name has developed a reputation for frequenting firearms news groups on the Internet and submitting individuals who express opposition to the new Firearms Act to flaming (an all-out verbal attack via e-mail or in a chat room), or mail bombing (submitting a person's name to hundreds of Internet sites so that dozens of useless e-mails flood the person's computer each time they go on line). Whoever sent the e-mail flames had to have insider knowledge, Mr. Lowe concludes. "The only people who could have known that I lost my teaching certification should have been the CFO, seconded police officers working within the CFO's
CS: Pol-Hunting ban
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think a ban on fox hunting will be the worst thing to happen to foxes ever. Steve. Steve, Neil, I dunno, Steve. Here in the US, there have been several bans on hunting various things with dogs (hounds, if you will), and the species have bounded back in numbers that could not be ignored. For instance, Black Bear Cougar (mountain lion). But neither of those species is classed as vermin (agricultural pest if you prefer) nor do they have a year round open season on them. Foxes can be shot, trapped or snared all year round and by anyone who has the landowner's permission. You don't even need any form of hunting licence to do this. Here's what I think will happen: You will have a steady increase in the actual population of the fox. Especially in the urban areas, cats and squirrel populations will be diminished. I don't believe that cats feature on the fox's menu: mice, birds, worms, fish chips, pizza and hamburgers yes, but not domestic cats. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-Explosives
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone interested in explosives should read "The Big Bang - A History of Explosives" by G I Brown (Sutton Publishing Ltd ISBN No 0-7509-2361-X) L9.99 paperback. I'll second that, it really is a good read. --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Crime-Norfolk bus in gun alert
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Norfolk bus in gun alert January 26, 2001 - 04:00 A norfolk market town was at the centre a full-scale police operation last night after reports of a gunman on a bus. Passengers on the 4.40pm number 35 Sanders Coaches bus from Norwich were largely unaware that they were at the centre of an unfolding drama. But in a two-part operation, a bus was tailed by police helicopter to North Walsham, where it was intercepted by armed police at 6pm. Following a four-hour stake-out of a flat in Market Street by police marksmen, a man was finally arrested at about 11pm. Police officers had cordoned off Market Street at about 9.30pm and as a precautionary measure they evacuated drinkers from The Feathers pub, forcing people to leave the building still holding their glasses, A small crowd braved the chill night to watch as armed officers moved into position at 10.15pm and waited for the signal to go in. At about 11pm, police accompanied by Alsatian dogs made their swoop of the flat, out of the gaze of the crowd. Minutes later a handcuffed man could be seen in the back of a police van as it drove past the Market Square. Earlier, the bus passengers remained unaware of the drama around them. While a police helicopter tailed the vehicle, an armed response unit was rushing to North Walsham market place to meet it at about 6pm. Armed police in bullet-proof vests and dog-handlers went to the scene and two police cars and a van were stationed near the Market Cross. Duty inspector at North Walsham, Steve Grimmer, told the EDP last night: "About 5pm we were informed that there was a man on the bus carrying what was described as a handgun. "As a result of this information a force helicopter and armed police were deployed to North Walsham. This is an ongoing incident that we hope to conclude without anyone getting injured." It is believed the man got on the bus at Coltishall, and the driver radioed control after he grew suspicious that he had a gun, but police could not confirm this last night. Journalist Brian Gaudet, 47, of Nelson Road, North Walsham, got on the bus at Castle Meadow in Norwich, but did not notice any commotion until it arrived at North Walsham. "I didn't notice the helicopter or anyone acting strangely on the bus. The bus was 20 minutes late, and the driver's explanation was that there had been some mechanical failure," said Mr Gaudet. "He announced this quite jokily, saying there had been smoke coming out of the dash board. Because of that the bus would be terminating in North Walsham, instead of going on to Mundesley and Cromer. "It was only as I was getting off in the Market Place that I saw police with guns and the police cars, two of which had driven in front of the bus at right angles, blocking it in. It was totally bewildering, but no-one was panicking. It could have been that there was an accident there. Rhea Iliffe, from Gimingham, was unable to return to her car during the stake-out. "I came out with my boyfriend to get a kebab, and when we left the police told us to go up to the Market Square. We can't get back to our car in Market Street, and my five-month-old baby is at home." Source: http://www.norfolk-now.co.uk/Content/News/NNewsStory.asp?Brand=EDPONLINE; Category=NEWSItemId=NOED26+Jan+2001+00%3A15%3A38%3A017 ~ Just around the corner from me - such excitement! Kenneth Pantling Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Canada Police perspective
From: "David M", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:19:34 -0500 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Editorial: POLICING PERSPECTIVE PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2001.01.26 SECTION: Editorial/opinion PAGE: 14 COLUMN: Editorial _ POLICING PERSPECTIVE _ Any threat made against a police officer is a threat against society. Anything we can reasonably do to make our police more secure - particularly when they're being threatened by criminal gangs through the vulnerability of their homes and families - we should. Allowing them to register their cars through their stations rather than homes (i.e., no home addresses) and properly lighting, securing and fencing police stations, for example, should be automatic. We also believe any officer under genuine threat should be allowed to take his or her gun home, or, more accurately, to carry it off-duty, since cops can already take their guns home if they store them safely. Point is, if we trust police to use guns on the job, surely we should also trust them to use them properly to protect themselves at home. Conversely, if the force is worried about allowing an officer under threat to take a gun home, why is he or she a cop in the first place? That said, it does seem a bit contradictory for the police, who advise the rest of us against keeping guns in our homes for personal protection and to rely on them instead, to then argue that when it comes to protecting themselves, they need their guns at home. The police, after all, are not the only citizens who may be confronted by threats, nor the only ones who are (or can be) trained to use firearms. We aren't advocating everyone arm themselves in their homes, but we are saying the idea of using a gun for personal protection, at least in some circumstances, does appear to have some merit. We should also keep in mind that being threatened goes with the territory of being an officer. Surely, it's not entirely by accident that we're hearing more concerns about gangs and threats just as the new police budget is being proposed. After all, budget time is typically when police emphasize crime and the hazards of policing. We do sympathize with Chief Julian Fantino's fury yesterday when NOW printed a picture of his home and its location. The story was about city officials who live outside Toronto, and Fantino, as NOW noted, is listed in the phone book. Still, showing his home and naming the town and street when police are worried about threats by gangs, is irresponsible. That said, there is still a need for some perspective. The police can and do need society's support, but that doesn't mean uncritically approving every budget item they request, nor letting our support cloud our judgment in areas such as civilian oversight. Part of keeping perspective is not mixing apples and oranges. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Field-squirrels
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not that you need something else to worry about, but: http://www.iht.com/articles/3596.htm The above article talks about BSE. It mentions squirrels brains, and ruminants. I hope that any hunter/consumer heeds the info well. -- =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - John Quincy Adams =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-NRA-ILA FAX ALERT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NRA-ILA FAX ALERT Vol. 8, No.4 1/26/01 MORE PROOF THAT MAJOR NETWORKS ARE BIASED AGAINST OUR RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS A recent study by the Media Research Center (MRC) documents the palpable anti-gun bias of the major television networks in reporting firearm-related news. A study released by the MRC last year examined 653 morning and evening news stories from July 1, 1997, to June 30, 1999, and found that stories advocating gun control on ABC, CBS, CNN, and NBC outpaced those opposing by a ratio of nearly 10 to 1. The recent study examined the same period, and showed that the bias advocating more restrictions on law-abiding gun owners is accompanied by an apparent unwillingness to cover stories that the pro-Second Amendment community would like to see. For example, over the past several years, when NRA spokesmen had been invited to comment on the debate over gun control on news programs, they regularly pointed out the failure of the Clinton-Gore Administration to prosecute armed violent felons. But the MRC study showed that TV reporters mentioned the drop in federal prosecutions under Clinton only eight times during the period studied. Similarly, NRA has been promoting real crime-fighting programs such as the "Project Exile" prosecution model, which originated in Richmond, Va., for several years. The networks, however, mentioned this program a mere three times over the period studied. "Project Exile"a cooperative effort among local, state, and federal law enforcement and prosecutorstargets violent felons who violate firearm laws, seeks the most stringent penalties available, and has been credited with a dramatic reduction in Richmond's violent gun-related crime. The lawful, defensive use of firearms by law-abiding citizens is a subject that has also been widely ignored, according to the MRC. Although award-winning criminologist Gary Kleck has estimated that firearms are used as often as 2.5 million times a year for protection, the networks reported such acts only 12 times out of the 653 firearm-related stories covered. And while NRA constantly points out that passing new restrictions on law-abiding gun owners does nothing to reduce crime, especially in light of the countless laws that are violated in every high-profile shooting, this argument was mentioned only five times over the study period. This latest study complements last year's study, and supports another MRC study released in 1994. The 1994 study focused solely on evening news programs from December 1, 1991, to November 30, 1993, and found that 62% of the 107 stories examined devoted substantially more time to anti-gun arguments than pro-gun. It also found that news commentators who endorsed gun control outnumbered those opposed by nearly 2 to 1, and the anti-gun bias was even more distinct when the story concerned the Brady bill, expanding to 3 to 1 against the pro-Second Amendment view. Of course, advocates of our Right to Keep and Bear Arms have been painfully aware of this institutional bias for years, but as more studies report what we already know to be a problem, perhaps the networks will begin to take notice. If they don't, more and more viewers will desert them for more objective news sources. If you would like more information on the MRC (http://www.mrc.org) and its recent study (http://www.mrc.org/news/reality/2000/Fax2106.html), go to its website at www.mrc.org (http://www.mrc.org). KEEP CALLING IN SUPPORT OF ASHCROFT AND NORTON Two of President George W. Bush's cabinet nominees are still under attack from extremist organizations, so keep contacting your U.S. Senators and urge them to support and vote for confirmation of John Ashcroft for U.S. Attorney General, and Gale Norton for Secretary of the Interior. The attacks on Ashcroft, one of the most qualified candidates for U.S. Attorney General this country has ever seen, have ranged from the ridiculous to the outrageous, and the most recent shot fired at the former Missouri Attorney General, Governor, and U.S. Senator is a mixture of both. The Violence Policy Center (VPC), a tiny, radical anti-gun group best known for wild distortions of the truth, has called on Ashcroft to resign his membership with NRA. VPC Executive Director Josh Sugarmann stated this curious demand is because of NRA's "views regarding law enforcement." Of course, NRA has been one of the strongest supporters of this nation's law enforcement community for more than a century, and since the early 1960s, our Association has served as the nation's leading firearms and marksmanship trainer for America's men and women in blue. Today, approximately 10,000 NRA-certified instructors offer training nationwide, reaching an estimated 450,000 law enforcement officers annually. NRA also offers special benefits for its members in law enforcement, including special insurance coverage, discounts
