CS: Pol-Luxembourg Nutter

2000-06-06 Thread David

From:   David Chappell - UK, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi.

Wasn't that same technique employed or attempted to be employed
on an Arnie Schwartznegger movie one time some years ago?

Yes it was an Arnie movie that used a firearms disguised as another
object - True Lies - Wonderful Tango scenes :-)

(Mind you, if I could get to dance with Jamie Lee-Curtis I'd learn
to Tango too!)

David.

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CS: Pol-Luxembourg Nutter

2000-06-05 Thread David Barton

From:   "David Barton", [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Wasn't that same technique employed or attempted to be employed on an Arnie
Schwartznegger movie one time some years ago? I wonder if that's where they
got the idea? What was that movie called?

Cheers, David Barton, Australia.
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I do seem to recall a movie like that, can't even remember who was in
it let alone what it was called.

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CS: Pol-Luxembourg Nutter

2000-06-04 Thread Dave

From:   Dave Reay, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Some interesting new reports here about the cops in Luxembourg luring the
hostage taker to his death by posing as news reporters and then shooting him
twice in the head with a gun hidden in a fake TV camera!!!

If there is any truth in this then surely this is murder as he presumably
could not be posing any immediate threat to the hostages if he was
supposedly talking to reporters?

Cheers


TJ
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They were certainly violating the European Firearms Directive.  Disguising
any firearm as another object places you in possession of a prohibited
weapon.

Steve.

Sorry to disagree, but this sounds like "limp wristed bunny hugger" type
comments. The bloke was threatening the lives of innocent people with a
grenade and two cans of petrol, oops! I nearly forgot to mention a
handgun as well. He was well out of line and tragedy could have resulted
in very short order, so they did the right thing in my opinion by taking
him out by whatever means they could. The bloke may have had severe
mental problems which, with medication and months of care and attention,
could have been resolved. But the bloke had crossed the line, his threat
was real and immediate to the hostages and therefore immediate action
had to be taken, the hostages would not be given the luxury of months of
care and attention, their lives hung in the balance or imbalance of this
blokes brain. The Luxembourg Plod had their priorities right, their main
concern was for the lives of the innocent hostages and sod the bastard
that was threatening their lives. They may well have infringed a
thousand EEC directives, but ask the hostages if they give a shit.
-- 
Dave Reay
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What I'm pointing out is the irony of it.  When they asked the Lt. who
actually was responsible for planning the op on CNN he sounded to me
as though he couldn't give a toss about the hostage taker.  "He's not
dead, he's dying."  Will he survive?  "No, we don't think so, the doctor
thinks he's going to die."

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2000-06-01 Thread KiPng

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Police Free Luxembourg Hostages

By PAUL AMES
.c The Associated Press

  
WASSERBILLIG, Luxembourg (AP) - Police stormed a day care center today, 
shooting a hostage-taker and freeing 25 children and three teachers and 
ending a 30-hour standoff. All those freed were reported safe. 

``Everything is over. Everybody is fine,'' said Jose Lello, a Portuguese 
minister who came to Luxembourg because many of the children hostages were 
Portuguese. 

The assault on the center started with two shots before security officials 
stormed the building. Several more explosions were heard, possibly from smoke 
bombs. Afterward, there were conflicting reports about the fate of the 
hostage-taker. 

Local councilman Jean Keyser said the hostage taker ``was shot but not 
dead,'' and Portuguese official Manuel Casanova said the gunman was shot in 
the head and critically wounded. But Lello told reporters the 39-year-old 
gunman was killed. 

The children were taken to a crisis center where the parents were being 
counseled. Casanova said ``there were immediate outbursts of joy'' when 
families of captives heard about the successful raid. ``It was very 
emotional,'' he said. 

Shortly after the day care center was stormed, two helicopters flew low near 
the building, but it was unclear what they were carrying. 

Police and psychiatrists had struggled for most of the day to convince the 
lone hostage-taker brandishing a gun and grenade to release the captives and 
drop his demand to fly to Libya. 

Police said the man has a history of mental illness, and residents of this 
small town near the German border said he blamed the day care center for the 
fact that he lost custody of his two children. 

The standoff began Wednesday afternoon. The man seized 37 children at the day 
care center in Wasserbillig, a town of 2,300 people in eastern Luxembourg. A 
teacher managed to smuggle six or seven other children out of the center just 
after the hostage-taker entered the building, police said. 

Parents of the captive children were counseled by police psychologists at a 
local art building which was converted to a crisis center. They were kept 
informed throughout the night by regular police updates, said Joao Carlos 
Alves Pereira, whose 7-year-old daughter had been among the captives. 

``When I heard about it, I just about went crazy. I just couldn't sleep,'' 
Pereira, who spent the night in the crisis center, said before the children 
were released. 

Late Wednesday night, the man released eight children, who were returned to 
their parents in good condition. He then demanded the plane and $1.38 
million, but he later dropped his demand for the money, police divisional 
commissioner Andree Colas said. 

In the hours before police stormed the center, the gunman had released four 
more children. 

The standoff shocked this normally quiet corner of Europe. Violent crimes are 
rare in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, which lies between Belgium, Germany 
and France. 

``I was working. I didn't know anything about it. I got home, and the police 
were everywhere,'' said Seraphine Freitas, the father of two children, ages 7 
and 8, who were among the hostages. 

Authorities believe the kidnapper's own two children had at one time attended 
the same day care center, located behind the town square in a quiet, secluded 
residential neighborhood. 

They said the man was married and came from a neighboring village. Local 
residents said he blamed the day care center and held a grudge against its 
director for the fact that he lost custody of his children when he separated 
from his wife. 


Kenneth Pantling
Whatever happens they have got
The Maxim Gun, and we have not.
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Police End Hostage Drama by Shooting Gunman 
WASSERBILLIG, Luxembourg (Reuters) - Police shot and wounded a lone
gunman and freed his 28 hostages, including 25 children, ending a
28-hour siege at a daycare center in Luxembourg, a police spokesman said. 

A police spokesman said the gunman was seriously wounded and dying
after earlier reports said he had been shot dead. 

``He is dying, not dead. He is in a very bad condition but not dead,''
the spokesman said. 

``All hostages are safe and well...,'' he added. 

Police backed by special forces ended the tense stand-off in Wasserbillig,
with a population of 2,500 on the border with Germany, after the
Tunisian-born gunman seized the hostages on Wednesday and demanded a
plane to fly him to Libya. 

The police spokesman said the gunman had wanted to make a statement to
the media and had agreed to leave the building. He was shot as he left
the building with two hostages. 

``He was neutralized by special units on the spot,'' the spokesman said. 

Eyewitnesses heard shooting and then saw children leaving the building. 

Police said the man had been armed with a pistol, grenade and knife. 
The gunman, whose own two children used to play at the day-care center,
allowed four children all aged three or four