Re: Zimmermann\\\'s shameful display...

2001-09-22 Thread citizenq

My god - you've hit on something here!  Thank you, I forgot - everyone IS that way on 
the list.  Just more so now.  It's kind of like the guys in the inner city, they're 
always tough -insulting and challenging in in a way that's both threatening and 
jocular at the same time- on each other and you either have to harden to it and 
develop the skills for handling that particular kind of repartee and hold your own, or 
you are shunned from the social group.  It's a way of bonding together and excluding 
outsiders.

No, I'm not new to the list.  And I'm not worried about it.  But I definitely detect a 
heightened level of anxiety in the posts.


On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 04:37:36PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Everyone is acting like a bunch of assholes, snotty know-it-alls,

So you're new to the list?

-Declan




RE: Zimmermann\'s shameful display...

2001-09-21 Thread citizenq

I am enjoying, in a macabre sense, watching the great Rorschach Test that events have 
turned out to be, where everyone's own impression of the world is reflected in their 
interpretations to a much greater degree than usual.

Everyone is acting like a bunch of assholes, snotty know-it-alls, children, and 
infantile technoids. And most of us are ostensibly more on the same side than not.  It 
gives one pause with regard to the behavior between people who DISagree about these 
and similar kinds of issues. 

Aimee - is this predicted in your worldview?

Sandy Sandfort said:

 Spineless Anonymous or lain or whomever wrote:

 Grow a spine, Phil, you jellyfish.

a) Anonymous fell for the oldest trick in book, he uncritically
believed what he read in the newspaper. Missed my forwarded message
from Phil, did you?

There are two possibilities. Either Phil is a jellyfish or he's just
a naive self-promoting snake. In either case the best possible
scenario is that Phil is the one who fell for the oldest trick in the
book. He assumed the reporter would simply cater to his overbloated




And then there's Sandy. Sandy, I have watched you as a supposed
advocate of freedom, libertarian ideals, privacy, anonyminity,
consistently bad mouth about every anonymous poster on this list who
has anything of importance to say. 

I've seen Declan and Tim doing this even more so, but there are deep issues regarding 
the clash behind the theory of Reputation Capital and the Cypherpunk mandate that 
anonymity is an essential component of privacy.  




RE: Zimmermann\'s shameful display...

2001-09-21 Thread John Young

But isn't obligatory for all world class cpunks to have
several nyms they post under, and to bad mouth
and obsequy those fictions with exactly the same 
identifiable writing style, shifting one register to the
left then to the right? I have here a list of names
and perfectly intercoggal nyms.

The evidence shows that some of these gearheads 
have been arguing and agreeing with themselves for 
years online and off.

One though, a master of disguise, hides in front of
a true name and never argues, never agrees, only
pristines flawless prose.  A clue: chews ghat, doesn't spit.




Re: Zimmermann\'s shameful display...

2001-09-21 Thread Declan McCullagh

On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 04:37:36PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Everyone is acting like a bunch of assholes, snotty know-it-alls,

So you're new to the list?

-Declan