Re: CAPPS II protest - Vandalizing collaborating airlines
At 08:49 PM 03/03/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Just some out of the box thinking here about Delta... I wonder. Is there some form of petty vandalism that can be performed by a Delta passenger that would make his flight MUCH less than profitable for Delta? (I mean, one that probably won't get you arrested...) (Vandalism has always been one of my favorite forms of instant protest.) Vandalism is wrong. (Oh, wait, are you the Fed? :-) Education isn't. Next time you fly, you could leave some flyers in the terminal. They'll get cleaned up, and when the TSA transition from merely pawing through your briefcase to reading the papers, that stack of Boycott the TSA Stooges flyers will probably get noticed, and of course there's the problem that if you're not flying Delta, you've got to word your flyer more creatively Think you're preserving your privacy by not flying Delta? Think Again! Those Boycottdelta.com folks may be picking on the latest new collaborator, but your airline is also giving your flight information to Convicted Perjurer Ex-Admiral Poindexter's Total Information Awareness Office Back when I was occasionally flying through O'Hare a few years ago, and they started alternating announcements about how you shouldn't leave your baggage unattended or it would be confiscated by the police, it was really tempting to print up some flyers about how Unattended Luggage Will Be Collected by Chicago's Hire-The-Homeless Program (with optional signature The Mgt...)
Re: CAPPS II protest - Vandalizing collaborating airlines
At 08:49 PM 3/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: Just some out of the box thinking here about Delta... I wonder. Is there some form of petty vandalism that can be performed by a Delta passenger that would make his flight MUCH less than profitable for Delta? (I mean, one that probably won't get you arrested...) (Vandalism has always been one of my favorite forms of instant protest.) I think a much more effective form of protest is to place so many people on the negative list that it becomes ineffective. One way, is to post high-res copies of people's driver's licenses for download and offer to purchase airline tickets under the DL holder's name for anyone who'll pay by e-gold, ALTA/DMT or maybe money order. The first few thousand people posters will, of course, be hassled by LE and probably placed on the RED list. But if tens of thousands do this its very likely to make their negative list ineffective. If someone is willing to put up a site I'm sure we can find some willing libertarians to post their DL images. steve
Re: CDR: Re: CAPPS II protest - Vandalizing collaborating airlines
On Mon, 03 Mar 2003, Bill Stewart wrote: At 08:49 PM 03/03/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: [...] I wonder. Is there some form of petty vandalism that can be performed by a Delta passenger that would make his flight MUCH less than profitable for Delta? (I mean, one that probably won't get you arrested...) [...] Vandalism is wrong. (Oh, wait, are you the Fed? :-) Education isn't. Anyone want to pay some random schmuck to rant at the SFO free speech stations? I never listened when I lived there, but usually there was someone standing in front of the ranter, trying to get away. It would be amusing, at least. And I'm sure there's an out of work dotcommunist or two left who would fight The Man for $50 a day or so, at the cost of their immortal FBI record. -j -- Jamie Lawrence[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wealth governs this country, and wealth uses military violence to control the rest of the world the best it can. And we're responsible. And we will pay the price for it. - former US Attorney General, Ramsey Clark
DAL Delta Air Lines Boycott Underway
In response to Delta Air Line's utter lack of concern with the privacy of their customers demonstrated by their participation in a test of the CAPPS II system, a Delta disinvestment campaign has been launched at: http://www.boycottdelta.org . The idea of citizens having to undergo a background investigation that includes personal banking information and a credit check simply to travel in his or her own country is invasive and un-American. The CAPPS II system goes far beyond what any thinking citizen of this country should consider reasonable. If enough people refuse to fly Delta, then it is likely that other airlines will refuse to implement this sadly misguided and anti-democratic system. The boycott will remain in full effect until Delta Air Lines publicly withdraws from any involvement with the testing of CAPPS II. Press/Analyst Contact: Bill Scannell ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Rogue Vally Cypherpunks Physical Meeting Mar 13
At 08:55 AM 3/4/03 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are Cypherpunks? A group of thinkers, programmers and researchers dedicated to preserve everyone's freedom of speech through action. * believers in crypto-anarchy, * leaning towards libertarianism, * most importantly, cypherpunks write code! To pick a nit, and clarify something for lurkers, feds, reporters, grand juries and the like: IMHO believers in crypto anarchy sounds like a religion. The phrase even parses ambiguously, which may be a feature to the already clued but isn't to those trying to suss you out. I'm not a believer but an observer and analyzer. And BTW I don't like all the effects of crypto tech but I have been forced to recognize and consider some of them on this list. Students of cryptos effect on society might work. I'm not sure how to fit anarchy into there without starting to sound like a rant. Crypto might even be too specific as things like interception technology and commerce-systems are also of interest. Students of crypto's anarchy-tending effect..? But when some tech is convincingly shown to be anarchy-minimizing or fascist-promoting, I think the rational CP does not lose interest. Drop the anarchy; effects on society should be enough. Just my $.02. Its your shindig.
How Do I Classify My Item?
http://www.bxa.doc.gov/Seminars/SeminarDescription.htm#Classify The Commerce Department's Bureau of Information and Security (BIS), formerly known as the Bureau of Export Administration (BXA), will host a half day seminar in Washington DC titled How Do I Classify My Item?. The seminar will cover export control classification numbers (ECCNs). The price to attend is $50. For more information, contact Douglas Bell at 202 482-6031.
Anarchy, and confusion
The confusion about anarchy and what it means is common. We see it here. Perhaps some of us have not done enough to try to educate people. Mostly, I think we have already written enough and if people will not think deeply about the issues, will not read at least _some_ of the readily-searchable (with Google, even) archives, and will not read some of the basic articles and books, then further blathering from us will not help. Anarchy is all around us. We write what we want, at least until Ashcroft and Bush get PATRIOT III passed by acclamation, and this is an anarchy (without a top authority -- an arch). We pick our restaurants by anarchic means. Anarchy doesn't mean chaos, with people killing each other at will. Folks need to think about what monarch means (one top), about what oligarch means, etc. Here's a very practical example: medical malpractice. Much in the news, debated daily. Bush Himself spoke out this morning (or, as he put it, We gotta open a can of Texas whoop-ass on those trial attorney bad boys!). This is a situation where an anarchic, voluntaristic, polycentric law solution is obvious: let people choose doctors and hospitals based on how much malpractice they will pay: Hospital Alpha and its doctors have this policy: If you have any complaints whatsoever, if you stub your toe going to the toilet, or if your baby dies in childbirth, we will pay you multiple millions of dollars for your mental anguish. Of course, we will charge you $65,000 for a baby delivery, $750,000 for heart transplant, and we don't take VISA or Mastercard. Hospital Beta and its doctors have this policy: We use this group to adjudicate disputes about health care. If you choose to use us, you also choose them to adjudicate disputes. Our rates reflect our less outrageous payouts than the Hospital Alpha system. A baby delivery will cost you $3000, assuming no complications. A heart transplant is $63,500. You may die during the operation. Life is tough. You agree to the adjudication described above. We wish you well. This is what a society based on _contracts_ would allow. Free choice. Instead, contracts are toilet paper and free choice is a joke. Anarchy means an arch means free choice means responsibility for choice means noncoercion. But I don't expect most of you yahoos, those who have never read Hayek or Friedman or even Rand to grasp these points. The connection with crypto is obvious. Crypto means never having to let Big Brother intervene in contractual negotiations. Which is where crypto anarchy comes from. (That, and the pun on hidden, as with Vidal's denunciation of Buckley as a crypto-fascist.) I read what some of you folks here write and all I can say is that I hope you are inside the fireballs when the freedom fighters take out the Great Satan. --Tim May If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're around. --attribution uncertain, possibly Gunner, on Usenet
Re: How Do I Classify My Item?
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 01:25:21PM -0800, Tim May wrote: For those outside the government, since when did they start worrying about classifying their own stuff? Not only that, this below meeting was from this morning (if it's partly closed, the open meeting is boring as hell, so I didn't go). I recall BIS is the old crypto export controllers at BXA, renamed for more efficient Homeland Security teat-sucking. -Declan --- The Bureau of Industry and Security's (BIS) Regulations and Procedures Technical Advisory Committee will hold a partly open and partly closed meeting. The agenda includes a discussion of encryption regulation recommendations. See, notice in the February 18, 2003, Vol. 68, No. 32, at Page 7765. Location: Room 3884, Hoover Building, 14th Street between Constitution and Pennsylvania Avenues, NW.
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At 1:08 PM -0800 3/4/03, Tim May quoted: If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're around. --attribution uncertain, possibly Gunner, on Usenet Would the converse read? If I'm going to reach out to the Republicans then I need a third hand. There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my freedom while they're around. It seems to me that right now, my wallet is at risk due to the rise in federal debt, whether by depleting my savings through inflation, or by higher future taxes to pay the debt. The attack on freedom, lead by the Republicans, has been commented on so frequently here I don't need to add more. Cheers - Bill - Bill Frantz | Due process for all| Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | used to be the | 16345 Englewood Ave. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | American way. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA
Re: How Do I Classify My Item?
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Tim May wrote: For those doing the classifying, i.e., those inside government, since when did they start charging each other real folding money for attending meetings? Capitalism maybe ? :-) For those outside the government, since when did they start worrying about classifying their own stuff? Anyone who ships anything outside the US had better know if they are an ECCN item. If you don't have an SED requirement, you probably can get away with things, but if it's more than $2500 and the feds decide to look, you can get screwed big time. Classifying isn't related to secrets in this case. Fucking 'tards. Such an elloquent euphamism. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: How Do I Classify My Item?
On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 01:09 PM, Declan McCullagh wrote: http://www.bxa.doc.gov/Seminars/SeminarDescription.htm#Classify The Commerce Department's Bureau of Information and Security (BIS), formerly known as the Bureau of Export Administration (BXA), will host a half day seminar in Washington DC titled How Do I Classify My Item?. The seminar will cover export control classification numbers (ECCNs). The price to attend is $50. For more information, contact Douglas Bell at 202 482-6031. For those doing the classifying, i.e., those inside government, since when did they start charging each other real folding money for attending meetings? For those outside the government, since when did they start worrying about classifying their own stuff? Fucking 'tards. --Tim May
DoJ to get new top lobbyist to push for PATRIOT II
The President intends to nominate William Emil Moschella of Virginia, to be Assistant Attorney General (Legislative Affairs). Mr. Moschella is currently the Chief Legislative Counsel and Parliamentarian for the House Committee on the Judiciary, where he previously served as Chief Investigative Counsel as well as Counsel. Earlier in his career, he also served as General Counsel for the House Committee on Rules. Mr. Moschella is a graduate of the University of Virginia and received a law degree from George Mason University School of Law.
Re: Cavium Security Processor
At 08:38 PM 03/03/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: But basically I was thinking about Packet-over-SONET (POS), which is PPP encapsulated HDLC framed IP. So after the POS link was terminated, I imagined that this little device would basically now look at the raw IP and do some pre-processing before the packets hit either an NP or switch fabric. However, in the vast majority of commercial POS links, they're not mapped over a pipe as big as STS-48c...they'd be mapped over STS-3c or below. This would mean the device is not super-suitable for most SONET-mapped applications. There may be some PPP framing in there instead of HDLC, but it's still just one channel; if you've got a bunch of channels (e.g. a bunch of 155Mbps STS-3Cs on a 2.4Gbps OC48), you're handing them to a bunch of different people to deal with, not doing a 2Gbps encrypt/decrypt at the high speed. This device is really useful for the people who've got OC48c pipes, or increasingly commonly, GigE pipes. But I guess that's OK...it's not supposed to be. It's really geared for MAN/WAN Ethernet (which once in a while is mapped over SONET). But it always pisses me off when GbE=WAN in marketing product literature. Nobody actually runs GbE outside their TSB (Tall Shiny Building) or campus...yet (and to date there's no strong indication they will). You'd be surprised - we're seeing tons of interest in it at ATT, partly because of MAN vendors like Yipes and OnFiber (who bought Telseon) and partly because GigE boards cost $59 at Fry's and Cisco 12000's are ~$100K. (yes, yes, I know there are significant technical differences, but you can get long-distance fiber NICs for about $1-2K, and the LAN switches really are as cheap as $300 or so.) Some of the metropolitan area equipment really is GigE (half or full duplex), while some is only OC12 (622 Mbps), and most of the wide-area stuff is really OC12, and the major cost of running fiber access is getting right-of-way and digging up the streets, so why not crank it as fast as possible? High-speed access used to mostly be T3 and OC3 going into metro SONET muxes, but there's increasing amounts of Ether and DWDM and some CWDM (4-8 wavelength OC48/GigE), though the rollout speed depends on whether towns are issuing building permits faster than bankruptcy courts are issuing Chapter 11s. The other fast local bandwidth market that's been emerging is Storage Area Networks. Fibre Channel and some of the other computer-to-disk-farm standards are now able to get distances of 20-50km on fiber, so we're seeing things like Wall Street mainframe farms that have disk drives in New Jersey data centers, with redundant dual-ring access, providing real physical redundancy and letting you save some critical and expensive real estate. The stock market being what it is, lots more of those bits are zeroes instead of ones now, so I'm not sure how fast the investment is going now, but in early 2002 it was pretty aggressive. That's not as much of an IPSEC market, but the people running those computers do have enough data to fill pipes going to other locations, and the incentive to keep it encrypted.
Re: CAPSII protest...
Yes Tyler, there is something nasty you can do that will not get you nabbed. It requires the following equipment : airline ticket ( aisle seat ) large pizza with the works quart of yogurt one dozen raw oysters one package of MMs ipecac syrup ( or a wafer-thin mint ) Just imagine the effect if almost every flight had one (:or more:) passengers barfing buckets of primordial goo soon after takeoff. Works just as well for trains and buses. It requires massive participation and a large, but not necessarily strong, stomach. I think it expresses quite well how recent events affect us all. This may be a new form of civil disobedience. I hereby place it in the public domain for the benfit of all mankind. I wonder if there's a lab test for ipecac? (: --
Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil
Tyler Durden wrote on February 21, 2003 at 09:47:01 -0500: What part of my above paragraph did you not understand? The rancor part. Let's take your line of reasoning another step. Imagine you get robbed at gunpoint by some masked caucasian. He steals your Ventura watch as well as all your $$$. As you cry and bawl like a little bitch you see the guy take off and in the process toss the watch to some black dude walking up the street. Will you now yell: Die you scumyou stole my watch! (Well, YOU probably would.) Why are you mad at the black dude for being tossed a freebie? Mentally retarded analogy. That black dude, along with a whole lot of other black dudes, black ho's and white liberal fuckbags voted to allow the masked caucasian to rob me at gunpoint. Perhaps all of them should be killed. The Wall Street firm you work for ought to fire you for stupidity. -- Tom Veil
Re: CAPPS II protest - Vandalizing collaborating airlines
Vandalism is wrong. Yeah, ain't that a shame? Sure is fun though! Education isn't. Well, some of the proposed ideas may be more efficient, but they don't exactly express my rage accurately... -TD Next time you fly, you could leave some flyers in the terminal. They'll get cleaned up, and when the TSA transition from merely pawing through your briefcase to reading the papers, that stack of Boycott the TSA Stooges flyers will probably get noticed, and of course there's the problem that if you're not flying Delta, you've got to word your flyer more creatively Think you're preserving your privacy by not flying Delta? Think Again! Those Boycottdelta.com folks may be picking on the latest new collaborator, but your airline is also giving your flight information to Convicted Perjurer Ex-Admiral Poindexter's Total Information Awareness Office Back when I was occasionally flying through O'Hare a few years ago, and they started alternating announcements about how you shouldn't leave your baggage unattended or it would be confiscated by the police, it was really tempting to print up some flyers about how Unattended Luggage Will Be Collected by Chicago's Hire-The-Homeless Program (with optional signature The Mgt...) _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Cavium Security Processor
Goody goody! Telecom geek talk! (Any chance you're female, curvy, and about 5'8? What are wearing right now.) Anyway, Bill Stewart wrote... You'd be surprised - we're seeing tons of interest in it at ATT, partly because of MAN vendors like Yipes and OnFiber (who bought Telseon) and partly because GigE boards cost $59 at Fry's and Cisco 12000's are ~$100K. (yes, yes, I know there are significant technical differences, but you can get long-distance fiber NICs for about $1-2K, and the LAN switches really are as cheap as $300 or so.) Well, I can see Enterprises extending their LANs with ethernet switches + cheap optics, but that just won't fly with the service providers, or OPS costs will eat their lunch. Hence reliability, NEBs, and protection capabilities will bring ethernet-based MAN costs up to meet SONET, where costs have been dropping dramatically. (The 10GbE MAN PHY that has a lite version of SONET framing will be where we see Ethernet start actually displacing circuit switching in the Metro market.) Some of the metropolitan area equipment really is GigE (half or full duplex), Although its seems quibbling to point it out, half duplex GbE would only exist, theoretically, on copper, and that won't carry a GbE very far. (Plus, did IEEE even bother defining a half duplex GbE?) while some is only OC12 (622 Mbps), and most of the wide-area stuff is really OC12, and the major cost of running fiber access is getting right-of-way and digging up the streets, so why not crank it as fast as possible? Yes, I've thought that we might get to the point where everything is OC-48, and if you don't need the bandwidth don't use it. High-speed access used to mostly be T3 and OC3 going into metro SONET muxes, but there's increasing amounts of Ether and DWDM and some CWDM (4-8 wavelength OC48/GigE), CWDM is really going to kick some booty, I predict. Particularly when your LAN guy can take an old Ethernet switch with GBICs or SFPs and slap in CWDM lasers (the MUXs, etc...he can buy off the shelf). DWDM has been and will be confined to niche applications in the Metro, only to where there's no more fiber and they can't get permits to lay more. The other fast local bandwidth market that's been emerging is Storage Area Networks. Fibre Channel and some of the other computer-to-disk-farm standards are now able to get distances of 20-50km on fiber, so we're seeing things like Wall Street mainframe farms that have disk drives in New Jersey data centers, Hence the success of companies like Adva. (But won't SANs soon go over IP?) of ones now, so I'm not sure how fast the investment is going now, but in early 2002 it was pretty aggressive. That's not as much of an IPSEC market, but the people running those computers do have enough data to fill pipes going to other locations, and the incentive to keep it encrypted. Well, here's where my knowledge goes bye-bye. What if you have a Cogent-like service provider, dumping everybody's traffic onto one big, fat pipe. Can IPSec be of use here? (In other words, will IPSec ensure that any customer's traffic will be protected from any other customer sharing that pipe? I thought it was pretty much all-or-nothing, which might make that cheap not too useful for anything but fancy enterprize gear...) -TD _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
