Re: [datameet] TIN numbers and commercial tax divisions

[Nisha Thompson]

That makes sense.

State by state is the only way then. RTI each state?  Maybe they will have
the map. Each division office should have a list of associated villages
which the state department might have. Assuming village is the boundary in
rural area and probably pincode for urban like the karnataka map. If they
split up villages then it is super hard.




On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Sutirtha Roy 
wrote:

> Nisha, the states determine the circles and collect revenues. They
> determine the VAT rates too. The centre determines the CST, which is levied
> on interstate movement of goods, which is collected by the states. All of
> this is set to change under the new GST regime though where there will be a
> uniform rate across all states. The collection will still be done by the
> states.
>
> On Oct 21, 2016 7:32 PM, "Nisha Thompson"  wrote:
>
>> Is this something that the central government determines? Revenue amount
>> or geographic size etc?
>>
>> Or is this a state determination and they just send the taxes up to the
>> center?
>>
>> NIsha
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Sutirtha Roy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Anand. I think it is not a straightforward mapping from a TIN to
>>> a division/circle, but there should be an underlying mapping function - I
>>> am just not aware of that function is, or, if it can be reverse engineered.
>>>
>>> A commercial tax circle is more disaggregated than a division. For
>>> example - Indore city is divided into three tax divisions with 5-6 circles
>>> inside each of the divisions. Your tin maps to a (division,circle) tuple.
>>> Another example is: https://comtaxappl.uk.gov.
>>> in/tinno.aspx?tin=05005816145 . The TIN 05005816145 maps to
>>> (Dehradun,DC I) tuple.
>>>
>>> SR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sutirtha Roy | Economist, O/o CEA | Ministry of Finance*
>>> *011-23095176 (O) **9810645843 (M) *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:04 PM, S Anand  wrote:
>>>
 This Excel sheet
 
  lists
 TIN numbers as well as Nodal Officers and Nodal Divisions for a subset of
 Maharashtra TINs. The TINs go from 2702... to 2798... so the first two
 letters are clearly the census code.

 But for a single nodal officer (e.g. RAT-VAT-D-001) in Kohlapur, the
 TINs range from 27020604247V to 27980654838V.

 So I guess there's no mapping between a nodal division or officer to
 TIN.

 Is the commerical tax circle different from this?

 Regards,
 Anand


 On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Sutirtha Roy 
 wrote:

> Dear DM members:
>
> Is it possible to find out the commercial tax division that map to a
> TIN number. For example the first two digits of a TIN number are the 
> census
> state codes but can we geographically disaggregate any further?
>
> Also do shape files for commercial tax circles for different states
> exist any where?
>
> I found only Bihar sharing their maps here: https://www.biharcommerc
> ialtax.gov.in/bweb/download/map/DigitizedMap.pdf theser are in quite
> a bad shape. Is there something that is more usable for Bihar and other
> states?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sutirtha
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [datameet] TIN numbers and commercial tax divisions

[Sutirtha Roy]

Nisha, the states determine the circles and collect revenues. They
determine the VAT rates too. The centre determines the CST, which is levied
on interstate movement of goods, which is collected by the states. All of
this is set to change under the new GST regime though where there will be a
uniform rate across all states. The collection will still be done by the
states.

On Oct 21, 2016 7:32 PM, "Nisha Thompson"  wrote:

> Is this something that the central government determines? Revenue amount
> or geographic size etc?
>
> Or is this a state determination and they just send the taxes up to the
> center?
>
> NIsha
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Sutirtha Roy 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Anand. I think it is not a straightforward mapping from a TIN to a
>> division/circle, but there should be an underlying mapping function - I am
>> just not aware of that function is, or, if it can be reverse engineered.
>>
>> A commercial tax circle is more disaggregated than a division. For
>> example - Indore city is divided into three tax divisions with 5-6 circles
>> inside each of the divisions. Your tin maps to a (division,circle) tuple.
>> Another example is: https://comtaxappl.uk.gov.
>> in/tinno.aspx?tin=05005816145 . The TIN 05005816145 maps to (Dehradun,DC
>> I) tuple.
>>
>> SR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Sutirtha Roy | Economist, O/o CEA | Ministry of Finance*
>> *011-23095176 (O) **9810645843 (M) *
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:04 PM, S Anand  wrote:
>>
>>> This Excel sheet
>>> 
>>>  lists
>>> TIN numbers as well as Nodal Officers and Nodal Divisions for a subset of
>>> Maharashtra TINs. The TINs go from 2702... to 2798... so the first two
>>> letters are clearly the census code.
>>>
>>> But for a single nodal officer (e.g. RAT-VAT-D-001) in Kohlapur, the
>>> TINs range from 27020604247V to 27980654838V.
>>>
>>> So I guess there's no mapping between a nodal division or officer to TIN.
>>>
>>> Is the commerical tax circle different from this?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Anand
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Sutirtha Roy 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dear DM members:

 Is it possible to find out the commercial tax division that map to a
 TIN number. For example the first two digits of a TIN number are the census
 state codes but can we geographically disaggregate any further?

 Also do shape files for commercial tax circles for different states
 exist any where?

 I found only Bihar sharing their maps here: https://www.biharcommerc
 ialtax.gov.in/bweb/download/map/DigitizedMap.pdf theser are in quite a
 bad shape. Is there something that is more usable for Bihar and other
 states?

 Thanks!

 Sutirtha





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Re: [datameet] TIN numbers and commercial tax divisions

[Nisha Thompson]

Is this something that the central government determines? Revenue amount or
geographic size etc?

Or is this a state determination and they just send the taxes up to the
center?

NIsha

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Sutirtha Roy 
wrote:

> Thanks Anand. I think it is not a straightforward mapping from a TIN to a
> division/circle, but there should be an underlying mapping function - I am
> just not aware of that function is, or, if it can be reverse engineered.
>
> A commercial tax circle is more disaggregated than a division. For example
> - Indore city is divided into three tax divisions with 5-6 circles inside
> each of the divisions. Your tin maps to a (division,circle) tuple. Another
> example is: https://comtaxappl.uk.gov.in/tinno.aspx?tin=05005816145 . The
> TIN 05005816145 maps to (Dehradun,DC I) tuple.
>
> SR
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Sutirtha Roy | Economist, O/o CEA | Ministry of Finance*
> *011-23095176 (O) **9810645843 (M) *
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:04 PM, S Anand  wrote:
>
>> This Excel sheet
>> 
>>  lists
>> TIN numbers as well as Nodal Officers and Nodal Divisions for a subset of
>> Maharashtra TINs. The TINs go from 2702... to 2798... so the first two
>> letters are clearly the census code.
>>
>> But for a single nodal officer (e.g. RAT-VAT-D-001) in Kohlapur, the TINs
>> range from 27020604247V to 27980654838V.
>>
>> So I guess there's no mapping between a nodal division or officer to TIN.
>>
>> Is the commerical tax circle different from this?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Anand
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Sutirtha Roy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear DM members:
>>>
>>> Is it possible to find out the commercial tax division that map to a TIN
>>> number. For example the first two digits of a TIN number are the census
>>> state codes but can we geographically disaggregate any further?
>>>
>>> Also do shape files for commercial tax circles for different states
>>> exist any where?
>>>
>>> I found only Bihar sharing their maps here: https://www.biharcommerc
>>> ialtax.gov.in/bweb/download/map/DigitizedMap.pdf theser are in quite a
>>> bad shape. Is there something that is more usable for Bihar and other
>>> states?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Sutirtha
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> *011-23095176 (O) **9810645843 (M) *
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Re: [datameet] TIN numbers and commercial tax divisions

[Sutirtha Roy]

Thanks Anand. I think it is not a straightforward mapping from a TIN to a
division/circle, but there should be an underlying mapping function - I am
just not aware of that function is, or, if it can be reverse engineered.

A commercial tax circle is more disaggregated than a division. For example
- Indore city is divided into three tax divisions with 5-6 circles inside
each of the divisions. Your tin maps to a (division,circle) tuple. Another
example is: https://comtaxappl.uk.gov.in/tinno.aspx?tin=05005816145 . The
TIN 05005816145 maps to (Dehradun,DC I) tuple.

SR






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*011-23095176 (O) **9810645843 (M) *



On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:04 PM, S Anand  wrote:

> This Excel sheet
> 
>  lists
> TIN numbers as well as Nodal Officers and Nodal Divisions for a subset of
> Maharashtra TINs. The TINs go from 2702... to 2798... so the first two
> letters are clearly the census code.
>
> But for a single nodal officer (e.g. RAT-VAT-D-001) in Kohlapur, the TINs
> range from 27020604247V to 27980654838V.
>
> So I guess there's no mapping between a nodal division or officer to TIN.
>
> Is the commerical tax circle different from this?
>
> Regards,
> Anand
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Sutirtha Roy 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear DM members:
>>
>> Is it possible to find out the commercial tax division that map to a TIN
>> number. For example the first two digits of a TIN number are the census
>> state codes but can we geographically disaggregate any further?
>>
>> Also do shape files for commercial tax circles for different states exist
>> any where?
>>
>> I found only Bihar sharing their maps here: https://www.biharcommerc
>> ialtax.gov.in/bweb/download/map/DigitizedMap.pdf theser are in quite a
>> bad shape. Is there something that is more usable for Bihar and other
>> states?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Sutirtha
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Sutirtha Roy | Economist, O/o CEA | Ministry of Finance*
>> *011-23095176 (O) **9810645843 (M) *
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Re: [datameet] TIN numbers and commercial tax divisions

[S Anand]

This Excel sheet

lists
TIN numbers as well as Nodal Officers and Nodal Divisions for a subset of
Maharashtra TINs. The TINs go from 2702... to 2798... so the first two
letters are clearly the census code.

But for a single nodal officer (e.g. RAT-VAT-D-001) in Kohlapur, the TINs
range from 27020604247V to 27980654838V.

So I guess there's no mapping between a nodal division or officer to TIN.

Is the commerical tax circle different from this?

Regards,
Anand


On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Sutirtha Roy 
wrote:

> Dear DM members:
>
> Is it possible to find out the commercial tax division that map to a TIN
> number. For example the first two digits of a TIN number are the census
> state codes but can we geographically disaggregate any further?
>
> Also do shape files for commercial tax circles for different states exist
> any where?
>
> I found only Bihar sharing their maps here: https://www.
> biharcommercialtax.gov.in/bweb/download/map/DigitizedMap.pdf theser are
> in quite a bad shape. Is there something that is more usable for Bihar and
> other states?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sutirtha
>
>
>
>
>
> *Sutirtha Roy | Economist, O/o CEA | Ministry of Finance*
> *011-23095176 (O) **9810645843 (M) *
>
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Re: [datameet] TIN numbers and commercial tax divisions

[Sutirtha Roy]

Nisha - all companies are required to pay indirect taxes for their sales.
Just like PAN card for income taxes, companies file their VAT proceeds with
the State Governments using a TIN (tax indentification number) number. So
depending on where a company is registered, the company would obtain a TIN
from their corresponding commercial tax division>circle. Example:
https://mptax.mp.gov.in/mpvatweb/download/home/CTDContacts/CTDDIVCTO.html .

I have a list of TIN numbers that I want to map to these commercial tax
divisions/circles. Hopefully, then with a shapefile I will also be able to
map these companies across the country.

Something like the Bangalore link you shared is exactly what I am looking
for - if I could only crack the TIN-LVO (local VAT office) mapping
structure now!!

Thank you.

Best,
Sutirtha






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On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Nisha Thompson  wrote:

> What is a commercial tax circle? Like a cluster of villages?
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Sutirtha Roy 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear DM members:
>>
>> Is it possible to find out the commercial tax division that map to a TIN
>> number. For example the first two digits of a TIN number are the census
>> state codes but can we geographically disaggregate any further?
>>
>> Also do shape files for commercial tax circles for different states exist
>> any where?
>>
>> I found only Bihar sharing their maps here: https://www.biharcommerc
>> ialtax.gov.in/bweb/download/map/DigitizedMap.pdf theser are in quite a
>> bad shape. Is there something that is more usable for Bihar and other
>> states?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Sutirtha
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Sutirtha Roy | Economist, O/o CEA | Ministry of Finance*
>> *011-23095176 (O) **9810645843 (M) *
>>
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Re: [datameet] TIN numbers and commercial tax divisions

[Nisha Thompson]

Karnataka seems to have something digitalized as well with some PIN code
mapping.

http://ctax.kar.nic.in/bangaloreoffices.asp#


On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Nisha Thompson  wrote:

> What is a commercial tax circle? Like a cluster of villages?
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Sutirtha Roy 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear DM members:
>>
>> Is it possible to find out the commercial tax division that map to a TIN
>> number. For example the first two digits of a TIN number are the census
>> state codes but can we geographically disaggregate any further?
>>
>> Also do shape files for commercial tax circles for different states exist
>> any where?
>>
>> I found only Bihar sharing their maps here: https://www.biharcommerc
>> ialtax.gov.in/bweb/download/map/DigitizedMap.pdf theser are in quite a
>> bad shape. Is there something that is more usable for Bihar and other
>> states?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Sutirtha
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Sutirtha Roy | Economist, O/o CEA | Ministry of Finance*
>> *011-23095176 (O) **9810645843 (M) *
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Re: [datameet] TIN numbers and commercial tax divisions

[Nisha Thompson]

What is a commercial tax circle? Like a cluster of villages?

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Sutirtha Roy 
wrote:

> Dear DM members:
>
> Is it possible to find out the commercial tax division that map to a TIN
> number. For example the first two digits of a TIN number are the census
> state codes but can we geographically disaggregate any further?
>
> Also do shape files for commercial tax circles for different states exist
> any where?
>
> I found only Bihar sharing their maps here: https://www.
> biharcommercialtax.gov.in/bweb/download/map/DigitizedMap.pdf theser are
> in quite a bad shape. Is there something that is more usable for Bihar and
> other states?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sutirtha
>
>
>
>
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