Re: 1024x768 resolution assistance

2006-01-29 Thread Bruce Sass

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006, D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre wrote:


On Saturday 28 January 2006 5:25 pm, Hendrik Sattler wrote:


I strongly object to that. The debconf actually only cover the basics, even
my wacom tablet needs manual editing (which is neither unusual nor a weird
resolution). Additional, two monitors might need that too.


Second that.  I had the same problems as the OP here after switching to a new
LCD monitor.  It refused to do anything higher than 640x480, which looked
absolutely dismal on a 19 screen hard wired for 1280x1024.  I finally worked
it out by copying bits of a KNOPPIX-generated conf file into my
debconf-generated one.  The Debian auto config bits always did the wrong
thing no matter how many different front door tactics I tried.  If all else
fails, hack the thing and get it over with.


Of course.  However, a monitor that only does 1280x1024, graphics 
tablets, and dual monitors all qualify as unusual or weird for a 
typical desktop, imo.


Keep in mind that you are responding to someone moving from Mandrake 
to Debian/unstable who thinks that a new graphics card is required 
because Debian doesn't autoconfigure as well as Mandrake... they are 
probably already pushing their envelope (a good thing I woudn't want 
to discourage), how helpful is `edit the configs' gonna be if it is 
likely they don't even know what the front door or all else is.



- Bruce


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Re: 1024x768 resolution assistance

2006-01-29 Thread D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre
On Sunday 29 January 2006 6:26 am, Bruce Sass wrote:

 Of course.  However, a monitor that only does 1280x1024, graphics
 tablets, and dual monitors all qualify as unusual or weird for a
 typical desktop, imo.

Well, that's probably debatable these days.  I'd say single-resolution LCDs 
are the norm now, rather than the exception, and I was rather hoping it would 
just work automagically.

However, your point overall is well-taken.

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Re: 1024x768 resolution assistance

2006-01-28 Thread Bruce Sass

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, Richard Wegner wrote:


Hi there,

I recently had Debian 3.1 unstable version on my system, but my X windows 
kept on going bad.  I did some diagnostics and found out that my video card 
was one of those that it didn't really like that much.  What I am wondering 
is for some suggestions for a video card that does work quite well with 
Debian 3.1 unstable with high resolutions.  With the current one I have, it 
currently goes only 800x600 on my resolution no matter what I try and do.


Actually stating what you tried, instead of leaving it to our 
imaginations, would have been good.  Have you looked in 
/var/log/Xorg... which will tell you if the higher resolutions you are 
after are failing or simply not being tried (a likely scenario, as 
pointed out in another message).


I had to revert to Mandrake 10.1 Community Edition for the time being till I 
can find a good enough video card that will work.


Something working with one flavour of Linux but not another is most 
likely a configuration issue.


Look up your monitor's specs, or print out the X configs used by 
Mandrake, then:


# dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

For a typical desktop box, it shouldn't be necessary to manually edit 
X's configs unless you are doing something unusual or want to support 
weird resolutions.  Generally, manually tweaking a config file which 
debconf scripts also have their fingers into can be tricky - 
especially when running unstable because those are the kind of package 
UI issues which get worked out in unstable.


hth


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Re: 1024x768 resolution assistance

2006-01-28 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Samstag, 28. Januar 2006 23:11 schrieb Bruce Sass:
 # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

 For a typical desktop box, it shouldn't be necessary to manually edit
 X's configs unless you are doing something unusual or want to support
 weird resolutions.  Generally, manually tweaking a config file which
 debconf scripts also have their fingers into can be tricky -
 especially when running unstable because those are the kind of package
 UI issues which get worked out in unstable.

I strongly object to that. The debconf actually only cover the basics, even my 
wacom tablet needs manual editing (which is neither unusual nor a weird 
resolution). Additional, two monitors might need that too.

HS


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Re: 1024x768 resolution assistance

2006-01-28 Thread Stephen Cormier
On Saturday 28 January 2006 18:25, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
 Additional, two monitors might need that too.

I have never had a choice offered to me using either XFree86 or Xorg for 
setting up a second video card/monitor during the configuration of X in 
Debian so you could change that might to a will same thing actually 
when you have two sound cards you get to configure one the other is up 
to you two network cards the same  .

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Re: 1024x768 resolution assistance

2006-01-28 Thread D. Michael 'Silvan' McIntyre
On Saturday 28 January 2006 5:25 pm, Hendrik Sattler wrote:

 I strongly object to that. The debconf actually only cover the basics, even
 my wacom tablet needs manual editing (which is neither unusual nor a weird
 resolution). Additional, two monitors might need that too.

Second that.  I had the same problems as the OP here after switching to a new 
LCD monitor.  It refused to do anything higher than 640x480, which looked 
absolutely dismal on a 19 screen hard wired for 1280x1024.  I finally worked 
it out by copying bits of a KNOPPIX-generated conf file into my 
debconf-generated one.  The Debian auto config bits always did the wrong 
thing no matter how many different front door tactics I tried.  If all else 
fails, hack the thing and get it over with.

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Re: 1024x768 resolution assistance

2006-01-27 Thread Stephen Cormier
On Friday 27 January 2006 13:59, Richard Wegner wrote:
 Hi there,

 I recently had Debian 3.1 unstable version on my system, but my X
 windows kept on going bad.  I did some diagnostics and found out that
 my video card was one of those that it didn't really like that much. 
 What I am wondering is for some suggestions for a video card that
 does work quite well with Debian 3.1 unstable with high resolutions. 
 With the current one I have, it currently goes only 800x600 on my
 resolution no matter what I try and do.

 I had to revert to Mandrake 10.1 Community Edition for the time being
 till I can find a good enough video card that will work.

 My current video card is a GeForce 2 FX 5200 with 128mb onboard video
 RAM.

 Thanks...BTW, the only CD I have for my Debian system is my Network
 Install CD (which worked great).  Thanks...

If  you have a Geforce FX 5200 then that card is more than enough to run 
1024x768 I used to run my old one at 1600x1200 on dual monitors with no 
problem. What is most likely happening is that your vertical and 
horizontal refresh rates in your X config as set too low as they always 
are during install thus preventing you from getting a higher 
resolution. Edit the section of the file that is similar to what I am 
posting below and put in the actual ranges supported by the monitor a 
quick Google search on the make/model of the monitor will usually come 
up with these numbers if you do not have the manual, once edited 
restart the X server.

# NEC P1250 +
Section Monitor
   DisplaySize  384   288 # mm
   Identifier   Monitor0
   VendorName   NEC
   ModelNameP1250 +
   HorizSync31-110 # DDC-probed
   VertRefresh  55-160 # DDC-probed
   Option   DPMS  true
   Option   BackingStore On
EndSection

You may also need to edit the Screen section to have the actual 
resolutions you want to use for the display colour depth you are using 
make sure that you put the 1024x768 at the start of the line like 
this.

SubSection Display
Depth 24
Modes 1024x768 800x600 640x480
EndSubSection

Stephen

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