Re: New package algol68toc: terms of the copyright.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 01:59:13PM +0100, Sian Mountbatten wrote: This Program is the property of the Secretary of State for Defence (United Kingdom) acting through the Defence Research Agency (DRA). Use, reproduction, production of amended versions and/or transfer of this Program is permitted provided that: (a) this legend be preserved on any such reproduction and amended version, (b) any amended version of this Program be clearly marked to show the nature of the amendment and of the name of the amending organisation, and (c) any recipient of such reproduction or amended version accept the conditions set out in this legend. Crown Copyright, (c) 1994 All rights reserved. The Secretary of State for Defence (United Kingdom) acting through his Defence Research Agency (DRA) gives no warranty that any element of the Software is suitable for any purpose and he shall not be liable for any loss or damage including loss or damage resulting in injury or death howsoever caused which results from the use of the Software, or any developments adaptions modifications translations and enhancements thereof. The original authors may be contacted via email on e...@dra.hmg.gb or by writing to ELLA Office, DRA, St Andrews Road, Malvern, Worcs WR14 3PS, UK. No problem. there are many Debian packages which comes wit any amended version of this Program be clearly marked. Please clearly document in README.Debian if you made any changes by citing patches used to build the package and generic source package URL. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120924130738.GC8910@goofy.localdomain
Re: New package algol68toc: terms of the copyright.
On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:07:38 +0900 Osamu Aoki wrote: [...] No problem. I instead see problems with this license: https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2012/09/msg00026.html -- http://www.inventati.org/frx/frx-gpg-key-transition-2010.txt New GnuPG key, see the transition document! . Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == CA01 1147 9CD2 EFDF FB82 3925 3E1C 27E1 1F69 BFFE pgp4Hl8qgqoHC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New package algol68toc: terms of the copyright.
Chris wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 09:44:17AM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: INAL, so someone feel free to call me wrong. Comments inline. I'll call me wrong: 09:31 Ganneff svuorela: name the/a organisation, not your name. org: freedom fighters, inc. done. :) 09:31 Ganneff it doesnt want YOUR name, it wants A name for changes. i dont see a problem in that. just make it consistent Comments retracted. I'd not be so quick to retract those comments! I agree it fails the dissident test. One is not able to contribute anonymously. You must identify the organization you are a part of (and what is an organization, anyway?). And what do you do if you're not part of an organization? Are you required to identify yourself? If one must identify themselves a part of freedom fighters, inc. they open themselves to their changes being traced back to them along with a flag on them saying, I'm a freedom fighter. If they are not part of an organization, but other freedom fighter organizations are a part of the project, they become tied to those (perhaps, in the eyes of the government) through their explicit association with the project. I think this clause in the license absolutely fails the dissident test because there is no way for someone to contribute anonymously, and, on the face of it, no way to contribute without being a member of an organization, a term the license fails to define. Please point to the DFSG section that mentions the dissident test. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com We're the technical experts. We were hired so that management could ignore our recommendations and tell us how to do our jobs. -- Mike Andrews -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e1tddub-0002zu...@mail.einval.com
Re: New package algol68toc: terms of the copyright.
On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:25:21 +0100 Steve McIntyre wrote: [...] Please point to the DFSG section that mentions the dissident test. This has been asked a number of times on debian-legal and has already been answered: https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/09/msg00215.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/09/msg00263.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2007/06/msg00179.html Please let's try and avoid running in circles... -- http://www.inventati.org/frx/frx-gpg-key-transition-2010.txt New GnuPG key, see the transition document! . Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == CA01 1147 9CD2 EFDF FB82 3925 3E1C 27E1 1F69 BFFE pgp894dmhXHAS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New package algol68toc: terms of the copyright.
Francesco Poli wrote: Please let's try and avoid running in circles... *rotfl* -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com We're the technical experts. We were hired so that management could ignore our recommendations and tell us how to do our jobs. -- Mike Andrews -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e1tdhia-ab...@mail.einval.com
Re: New package algol68toc: terms of the copyright.
Le Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 01:25:21PM +0100, Steve McIntyre a écrit : Chris wrote: I think this clause in the license absolutely fails the dissident test Please point to the DFSG section that mentions the dissident test. Hi Steve, I think that the dissident test and others are indirectly mentionned to everyone who wants to join Debian: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/nm/trunk/nm-templates/nm_pp1.txt?revision=1246view=markup 60 PH7. How do you check if a license is DFSG-compatible? 61 62 PH8. There are a few tests for this purpose, based on (not really) common 63 situations. Explain them to me and point out which common problems can 64 be discovered by them. I do not find these tests particularly useful, but as long as they are promoted this way, we are likely to see people using them on this lit. If you think they create more noise than signal, perhaps you or others can consider asking for a change to the NM templates via a bug reported to nm.debian.org. Cheers, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120917001842.ga6...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: New package algol68toc: terms of the copyright.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 09:44:17AM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 01:59:13PM +0100, Sian Mountbatten wrote: Dear List Please find attached a copy of the copyright in all the source files of the algol68toc compiler. You will note that the licence accords with the DFSG. I am of the opinion that the compiler package could go into the main Debian distribution. Please confirm. Sadly, I don't think we can :) INAL, so someone feel free to call me wrong. Comments inline. I'll call me wrong: 09:31 Ganneff svuorela: name the/a organisation, not your name. org: freedom fighters, inc. done. :) 09:31 Ganneff it doesnt want YOUR name, it wants A name for changes. i dont see a problem in that. just make it consistent Comments retracted. I'd not be so quick to retract those comments! I agree it fails the dissident test. One is not able to contribute anonymously. You must identify the organization you are a part of (and what is an organization, anyway?). And what do you do if you're not part of an organization? Are you required to identify yourself? If one must identify themselves a part of freedom fighters, inc. they open themselves to their changes being traced back to them along with a flag on them saying, I'm a freedom fighter. If they are not part of an organization, but other freedom fighter organizations are a part of the project, they become tied to those (perhaps, in the eyes of the government) through their explicit association with the project. I think this clause in the license absolutely fails the dissident test because there is no way for someone to contribute anonymously, and, on the face of it, no way to contribute without being a member of an organization, a term the license fails to define. -- Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caoevnyskad-_wy7cq7zzdnp2_5akn0soxcvjg2hexpe498f...@mail.gmail.com
Re: New package algol68toc: terms of the copyright.
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Christofer C. Bell wrote: I'd not be so quick to retract those comments! I agree it fails the dissident test. One is not able to contribute anonymously. You must identify the organization you are a part of (and what is an organization, anyway?). And what do you do if you're not part of an organization? Are you required to identify yourself? If one must identify themselves a part of freedom fighters, inc. they open themselves to their changes being traced back to them along with a flag on them saying, I'm a freedom fighter. If they are not part of an organization, but other freedom fighter organizations are a part of the project, they become tied to those (perhaps, in the eyes of the government) through their explicit association with the project. I think this clause in the license absolutely fails the dissident test because there is no way for someone to contribute anonymously, and, on the face of it, no way to contribute without being a member of an organization, a term the license fails to define. The item in question doesn't say which name should be added, nor who the name should be revealed to. The modifier could add a pseudonym instead of the name they are known as by the government and or simply not distribute the program to anyone they do not trust. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caktje6h6rzjym0pmq-gsqemhd691hquproqsnkf+yng+edv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: New package algol68toc: terms of the copyright.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 01:59:13PM +0100, Sian Mountbatten wrote: Dear List Please find attached a copy of the copyright in all the source files of the algol68toc compiler. You will note that the licence accords with the DFSG. I am of the opinion that the compiler package could go into the main Debian distribution. Please confirm. Sadly, I don't think we can :) INAL, so someone feel free to call me wrong. Comments inline. -- Sian Mountbatten Specialisto pri Algol 68 This Program is the property of the Secretary of State for Defence (United Kingdom) acting through the Defence Research Agency (DRA). Use, reproduction, production of amended versions and/or transfer of this Program is permitted provided that: (a) this legend be preserved on any such reproduction and amended version, (b) any amended version of this Program be clearly marked to show the nature of the amendment and of the name of the amending organisation, ^ IMHO this really fails the The Dissident test. I quoth: | Consider a dissident in a totalitarian state who wishes to share a | modified bit of software with fellow dissidents, but does not wish to | reveal the identity of the modifier, or directly reveal the | modifications themselves, or even possession of the program, to the | government. [snip] and (c) any recipient of such reproduction or amended version accept the conditions set out in this legend. Crown Copyright, (c) 1994 All rights reserved. The Secretary of State for Defence (United Kingdom) acting through his Defence Research Agency (DRA) gives no warranty that any element of the Software is suitable for any purpose and he shall not be liable for any loss or damage including loss or damage resulting in injury or death howsoever caused which results from the use of the Software, or any developments adaptions modifications translations and enhancements thereof. The original authors may be contacted via email on e...@dra.hmg.gb or by writing to ELLA Office, DRA, St Andrews Road, Malvern, Worcs WR14 3PS, UK. Cheers, Paul -- .''`. Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org : :' : Proud Debian Developer `. `'` 4096R / 8F04 9AD8 2C92 066C 7352 D28A 7B58 5B30 807C 2A87 `- http://people.debian.org/~paultag signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New package algol68toc: terms of the copyright.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 09:44:17AM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 01:59:13PM +0100, Sian Mountbatten wrote: Dear List Please find attached a copy of the copyright in all the source files of the algol68toc compiler. You will note that the licence accords with the DFSG. I am of the opinion that the compiler package could go into the main Debian distribution. Please confirm. Sadly, I don't think we can :) INAL, so someone feel free to call me wrong. Comments inline. I'll call me wrong: 09:31 Ganneff svuorela: name the/a organisation, not your name. org: freedom fighters, inc. done. :) 09:31 Ganneff it doesnt want YOUR name, it wants A name for changes. i dont see a problem in that. just make it consistent Comments retracted. -- Sian Mountbatten Specialisto pri Algol 68 This Program is the property of the Secretary of State for Defence (United Kingdom) acting through the Defence Research Agency (DRA). Use, reproduction, production of amended versions and/or transfer of this Program is permitted provided that: (a) this legend be preserved on any such reproduction and amended version, (b) any amended version of this Program be clearly marked to show the nature of the amendment and of the name of the amending organisation, ^ IMHO this really fails the The Dissident test. I quoth: | Consider a dissident in a totalitarian state who wishes to share a | modified bit of software with fellow dissidents, but does not wish to | reveal the identity of the modifier, or directly reveal the | modifications themselves, or even possession of the program, to the | government. [snip] and (c) any recipient of such reproduction or amended version accept the conditions set out in this legend. Crown Copyright, (c) 1994 All rights reserved. The Secretary of State for Defence (United Kingdom) acting through his Defence Research Agency (DRA) gives no warranty that any element of the Software is suitable for any purpose and he shall not be liable for any loss or damage including loss or damage resulting in injury or death howsoever caused which results from the use of the Software, or any developments adaptions modifications translations and enhancements thereof. The original authors may be contacted via email on e...@dra.hmg.gb or by writing to ELLA Office, DRA, St Andrews Road, Malvern, Worcs WR14 3PS, UK. Cheers, Paul -- .''`. Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org : :' : Proud Debian Developer `. `'` 4096R / 8F04 9AD8 2C92 066C 7352 D28A 7B58 5B30 807C 2A87 `- http://people.debian.org/~paultag -- .''`. Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org : :' : Proud Debian Developer `. `'` 4096R / 8F04 9AD8 2C92 066C 7352 D28A 7B58 5B30 807C 2A87 `- http://people.debian.org/~paultag signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New package algol68toc: terms of the copyright.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 01:59:13PM +0100, Sian Mountbatten wrote: (b) any amended version of this Program be clearly marked to show the nature of the amendment and of the name of the amending organisation, ^ IMHO this really fails the The Dissident test. I quoth: | Consider a dissident in a totalitarian state who wishes to share a | modified bit of software with fellow dissidents, but does not wish to | reveal the identity of the modifier, or directly reveal the | modifications themselves, or even possession of the program, to the | government. [snip] The item in question doesn't say which name should be added, nor who the name should be revealed to. The modifier could add a pseudonym instead of the name they are known as by the government and or simply not distribute the program to anyone they do not trust. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caktje6flqefcqmcws-jerijzkz-g5jnfu7-lau+3ddmp58d...@mail.gmail.com
Re: New package algol68toc: terms of the copyright.
On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:59:13 +0100 Sian Mountbatten wrote: Dear List Please find attached a copy of the copyright in all the source files of the algol68toc compiler. Dear Sian, thanks for contacting debian-legal and for trying to check the DFSG-freeness of the package under consideration. You will note that the licence accords with the DFSG. I am of the opinion that the compiler package could go into the main Debian distribution. Personally, I am not convinced. Please see below. [...] (c) any recipient of such reproduction or amended version accept the conditions set out in this legend. [...] Does this mean that anyone who wishes to redistribute verbatim or modified copies of the Program has to *force* recipients to accept the license (or anyway to *make sure* that recipients have accepted the license)? If this is the case, then I think that this restriction fails to meet DFSG#1 and is also practically unsatisfiable with the current Debian package distribution infrastructure (if I type aptitude install name-of-package, I become a recipient as soon as the package is downloaded, before I have the opportunity of being asked whether I accept the license). This is, at least, my own personal opinion. I hope it helps. Bye. -- http://www.inventati.org/frx/frx-gpg-key-transition-2010.txt New GnuPG key, see the transition document! . Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == CA01 1147 9CD2 EFDF FB82 3925 3E1C 27E1 1F69 BFFE pgpeHQwxCoZWr.pgp Description: PGP signature
