Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hello Claudia, On Wed, 2024-02-07 at 20:19 +0100, Claudia Neumann wrote: > Now firmware R300_cp.bin, b43 and isight.fw is missing. Use this sources.list [1] and then install "firmware-amd-graphics". For the iSight camera, you can just download this file [2] and place it below /lib/firmware. For the b43 firmware, you need to install the b43-installer along with the b43-fwcutter. The latter is currently not built for ppc64, but I can do that manually later this week. Adrian > [1] https://people.debian.org/~glaubitz/sources.list > [2] https://github.com/ibvk/config/blob/master/bin/isight.fw -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer `. `' Physicist `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
On Wed, Feb 07, 2024 at 08:19:19PM +0100, Claudia Neumann wrote:
Hi all,
in the meantime I succeeded in installing Debian 12.0.0 on iMac G5 with radeon
graphic
card.
I used ISO-Image 2023-06-18, installed default with tasksel KDE plasma, LXDE
and LXQT.
I had to insert "radeon.agpmode=1 radeon.modeset=1 video=offb.off nomodeset" in
grub
to get graphic mode.
Just for future references. On my iMac G5 I've the Nvidia GeForce and the
nouveau driver. I had to set "video=TV-1:d" to avoid continous error ("DDC
responded, but no EDID")
Now firmware R300_cp.bin, b43 and isight.fw is missing. I can not install this
firmware
from the indicated sources.
/etc/debian_version is telling me, it is trixie/sid, but 12.0.0 should be
bookworm stable.
Can I change /etc/debian_version to bookworm and change the
/etc/apt/sources.list to
bookworm? Should I download the missing firmware by hand and install it?
With LXDE I can work although it is rather slow.
I'm using i3 and the performance is fine. It might take a while to get used to
i3.
Firefox hangs, konqueror will not show
google. Are there any tricks to make that better?
I'm struggling as well in finding a decent browser for such an old hardware.
I've in the pipeline to try ArticFox (https://github.com/rmottola/Arctic-Fox)
A bit extreame perhaps. You could try `lynx` and friends.
Otherwise the iMac G5 is not usable.
Best regards
Claudia
--
Federico Vaga
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
On Sun, Feb 04, 2024 at 03:57:30PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 3:33 PM Claudia Neumann wrote: Can I boot from USB? I don't think you can boot from USB on G5's. Or I was not able to boot from a USB thumb drive when I installed Debian on my PowerMac G5. The Open Firmware would not allow it. I had to burn the CD or DVD. Actually yes, you can boot from USB on the iMac G5. Here it is the procedure: 0. prepare a USB key with the netinstall image using ``dd`` 1. hold ``Command + Option + O + F`` while booting until you get the OpenFirmware command line 2. type the following command ``boot usb/disk@:,\`` Replace with the USB port number you are using. On the iMac G5 they go from 0 (top) to 2 (bottom). Replace with the disk number assigned. This is usually 0 or 1. Replace with the full path to the grub bootloader. In practice, assuming that you have the USB key in the top USB port. ``` boot usb0/disk@1:,\boot\grub\powerpc.elf ``` How do you find this yourself? Using ``dev / ls`` you get the hardware layout (device tree). In there you will see a node under a PCI endpoint named ``disk@``. Remember type ``devalias``, and you will see that a ``usb`` name is mapped to the PCI endpoint you found before. -- Federico Vaga
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi all, now I could install debian-12.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 2023-05-28. But grub would not install. I can boot into grub. The partition is (ieee1275/hd,apple3) and I can find the kernel in /boot: config-6.2.0-9-powerpc64 vmlinux-6.1.0-9-powerpc64 initrd.img.old vmlinux.old vmlinux System.map-6.1.0-9-powerpc64 initrd.img initrd.img-6.1.0-9-powerpc64 now I am somehow lost. What should I set for root? set root=(ieee1275/hd.apple3) gives no error, but linux /boot/vmlinux-6.1.0-9-powerpc64 root=/dev/sda3 -> error: no server is specified Any hints? Claudia
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Mouse button during boot worked like a charm. Thanx Claudia Am Sonntag, 4. Februar 2024, 22:12:17 CET schrieb DistroHopper39B Business: > Hold down the mouse button during boot. If that doesn't work, boot to Open > Firmware (Command-Option-O-F) and type “eject cd” > > On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 4:10 PM Claudia Neumann > > wrote: > > Yes, I did boot from DVD. But how can I get the DVD, that will not boot, > > out of the drive? > > > > CU > > > > Claudia > > > > Am Sonntag, 4. Februar 2024, 21:57:30 CET schrieb Jeffrey Walton: > > > On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 3:33 PM Claudia Neumann > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Hi John, hi Frederico, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried debian-12.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 31.1.2024. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Mac G5 stops with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smp_core99_probe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smp_core99_bringup_done > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > radeon.agpmode=-1 radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in grub. No better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have the problem, that I don't get the DVD out of the drive. > > > > With my > > > > > > try of debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 14.5.2023 I partitioned > > > > the > > > > > > hard drive. So there is no bootable kernel on the hard drive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can I boot from USB? > > > > > > I don't think you can boot from USB on G5's. Or I was not able to boot > > > > > > from a USB thumb drive when I installed Debian on my PowerMac G5. The > > > > > > Open Firmware would not allow it. I had to burn the CD or DVD. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hold down the mouse button during boot. If that doesn't work, boot to Open Firmware (Command-Option-O-F) and type “eject cd” On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 4:10 PM Claudia Neumann wrote: > Yes, I did boot from DVD. But how can I get the DVD, that will not boot, > out of the drive? > > CU > > Claudia > > Am Sonntag, 4. Februar 2024, 21:57:30 CET schrieb Jeffrey Walton: > > > On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 3:33 PM Claudia Neumann > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Hi John, hi Frederico, > > > > > > > > I tried debian-12.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 31.1.2024. > > > > > > > > The Mac G5 stops with > > > > > > > > smp_core99_probe > > > > > > > > smp_core99_bringup_done > > > > > > > > I tried with > > > > > > > > radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset > > > > > > > > radeon.agpmode=-1 radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset > > > > > > > > in grub. No better. > > > > > > > > Now I have the problem, that I don't get the DVD out of the drive. > With my > > > > try of debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 14.5.2023 I partitioned > the > > > > hard drive. So there is no bootable kernel on the hard drive. > > > > > > > > Can I boot from USB? > > > > > > I don't think you can boot from USB on G5's. Or I was not able to boot > > > from a USB thumb drive when I installed Debian on my PowerMac G5. The > > > Open Firmware would not allow it. I had to burn the CD or DVD. > > > > > > Jeff > > >
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Yes, I did boot from DVD. But how can I get the DVD, that will not boot, out of the drive? CU Claudia Am Sonntag, 4. Februar 2024, 21:57:30 CET schrieb Jeffrey Walton: > On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 3:33 PM Claudia Neumann > > wrote: > > Hi John, hi Frederico, > > > > I tried debian-12.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 31.1.2024. > > > > The Mac G5 stops with > > > > smp_core99_probe > > > > smp_core99_bringup_done > > > > I tried with > > > > radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset > > > > radeon.agpmode=-1 radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset > > > > in grub. No better. > > > > Now I have the problem, that I don't get the DVD out of the drive. With my > > try of debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 14.5.2023 I partitioned the > > hard drive. So there is no bootable kernel on the hard drive. > > > > Can I boot from USB? > > I don't think you can boot from USB on G5's. Or I was not able to boot > from a USB thumb drive when I installed Debian on my PowerMac G5. The > Open Firmware would not allow it. I had to burn the CD or DVD. > > Jeff
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 3:33 PM Claudia Neumann wrote: > > Hi John, hi Frederico, > > I tried debian-12.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 31.1.2024. > > The Mac G5 stops with > > smp_core99_probe > > smp_core99_bringup_done > > I tried with > > radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset > > radeon.agpmode=-1 radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset > > in grub. No better. > > Now I have the problem, that I don't get the DVD out of the drive. With my > try of debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 14.5.2023 I partitioned the > hard drive. So there is no bootable kernel on the hard drive. > > Can I boot from USB? I don't think you can boot from USB on G5's. Or I was not able to boot from a USB thumb drive when I installed Debian on my PowerMac G5. The Open Firmware would not allow it. I had to burn the CD or DVD. Jeff
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi John, hi Frederico, I tried debian-12.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 31.1.2024. The Mac G5 stops with smp_core99_probe smp_core99_bringup_done I tried with radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset radeon.agpmode=-1 radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset in grub. No better. Now I have the problem, that I don't get the DVD out of the drive. With my try of debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 14.5.2023 I partitioned the hard drive. So there is no bootable kernel on the hard drive. Can I boot from USB? Any hints? Claudia Am Dienstag, 23. Januar 2024, 18:42:03 CET schrieb John Paul Adrian Glaubitz: > Hello Claudia, > > On Tue, 2024-01-23 at 17:59 +0100, Claudia Neumann wrote: > > I choose > > debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso > > from 14.5.2023. > > > > I can start the installation, partitioning has succeeded. > > it installs busybox but hangs with: > > package zstd is not available. There is a reference from another package. > > The installation stopped. > > > > Any suggesttions? > > > > Should I choose another iso? > > I will create fresh images within the next hours. You can try these. > > I'll let you know once they are available. > > Adrian > > -- > .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > > : :' : Debian Developer > > `. `' Physicist > `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Great! Thanx Claudia Am Dienstag, 23. Januar 2024, 18:42:03 CET schrieb John Paul Adrian Glaubitz: > Hello Claudia, > > On Tue, 2024-01-23 at 17:59 +0100, Claudia Neumann wrote: > > I choose > > debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso > > from 14.5.2023. > > > > I can start the installation, partitioning has succeeded. > > it installs busybox but hangs with: > > package zstd is not available. There is a reference from another package. > > The installation stopped. > > > > Any suggesttions? > > > > Should I choose another iso? > > I will create fresh images within the next hours. You can try these. > > I'll let you know once they are available. > > Adrian > > -- > .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > > : :' : Debian Developer > > `. `' Physicist > `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hello Claudia, On Tue, 2024-01-23 at 17:59 +0100, Claudia Neumann wrote: > I choose > debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso > from 14.5.2023. > > I can start the installation, partitioning has succeeded. > it installs busybox but hangs with: > package zstd is not available. There is a reference from another package. > The installation stopped. > > Any suggesttions? > > Should I choose another iso? I will create fresh images within the next hours. You can try these. I'll let you know once they are available. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer `. `' Physicist `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi Adrian, I choose debian-11.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso from 14.5.2023. I can start the installation, partitioning has succeeded. it installs busybox but hangs with: package zstd is not available. There is a reference from another package. The installation stopped. Any suggesttions? Should I choose another iso? Regards Claudia Am Dienstag, 23. Januar 2024, 15:54:22 CET schrieb John Paul Adrian Glaubitz: > Hi Claudia, > > On Tue, 2024-01-23 at 15:39 +0100, Claudia Neumann wrote: > > Hi all, hi Adrian, > > > > downloaded the image and burnt on DVD. Now the iMac starts from DVD but > > hangs with: smp_core99_probe > > smp_core99_bringup_done > > the ventilator is up high but nothing else happens. > > > > I have ATI Radeon X600 (Rev 380) 3E50 (PCIE) > > > > Any hints? > > If you have the time, please try any of the older images: > > https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/ > > It might be a kernel bug in one of the recent kernel versions. > > Adrian > > -- > .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > > : :' : Debian Developer > > `. `' Physicist > `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi Claudia, perhaps there is a misunderstanding. I'm trying Debian 12 ppc64 Big-Endian. My suggestion to you is to try the proposed fix from the fienixppc team. I report here what is mentioned in their article (I copy only what is of interest to you). ``` [...] the system shows only a black screen, a black screen with a cursor, or a garbled image: These issues are caused by driver configuration issues. Try entering the below boot parameters when you see the yaboot prompt (when booting up your system). Radeon GPU [...] If you have a Radeon GPU, try entering the following boot parameters (one at a time, must be entered EXACTLY as listed): "Linux radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset" "Linux radeon.agpmode=-1 radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset" ``` In other words, using grub, try to add to the command line paramenters "radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset" or "radeon.agpmode=-1 radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off nomodeset" In my particular case, my iMac has an Nvidia card, therefore I tried another set of parameters. For me, it did not help. But you are using a different card with a different driver. It might be of help. On 2024-01-23 15:53, Claudia Neumann wrote: Hi Federico, if it didn't work for you, I would rather try with Debian. CU Claudia Am Dienstag, 23. Januar 2024, 15:05:06 CET schrieb Federico Vaga: Hi Claudia and all, this is a very interesting coincidence. I've started trying a couple of days a go to install Debian 12 on the same iMac. In my case, I'm booting the netinst image from USB but the kernel crashes somewhere. The screen is not refreshed after a few kernel messages, so I was not able to debug any further. On the web I've found this project https://fienixppc.blogspot.com/ and I their suggestion about a video driver misconfiguration and a possible solution. See https://fienixppc.blogspot.com/p/troubleshooting-of.html None of the options, helped me. But I did not try to investigate more since then. Perhaps you will have better luck :) On 2024-01-23 14:54, Claudia Neumann wrote: > Hi all, > I have an iMac G5, PowerMac 12,1 PPC970FX, Platform: PowerMac 12,1 > MacRISC4 Power Macinstosh, Memory 1GB+384MB. > I had installed Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS and it was running fine. Now I need > newer libc and so on. So I wanted to install Debian 12 or even Debian > 13 on this iMac. > Is that possible? I tried > > debian-12.4.0-ppc64el-netinst.iso > but the iMac does not start from the DVD. > What can I do? > CU > Claudia -- Federico Vaga -- Federico Vaga http://www.federicovaga.it/
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi Claudia, On Tue, 2024-01-23 at 15:39 +0100, Claudia Neumann wrote: > Hi all, hi Adrian, > > downloaded the image and burnt on DVD. Now the iMac starts from DVD but hangs > with: > smp_core99_probe > smp_core99_bringup_done > the ventilator is up high but nothing else happens. > > I have ATI Radeon X600 (Rev 380) 3E50 (PCIE) > > Any hints? If you have the time, please try any of the older images: > https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/ It might be a kernel bug in one of the recent kernel versions. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer `. `' Physicist `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi Federico, if it didn't work for you, I would rather try with Debian. CU Claudia Am Dienstag, 23. Januar 2024, 15:05:06 CET schrieb Federico Vaga: > Hi Claudia and all, > > this is a very interesting coincidence. I've started trying a couple of > days > a go to install Debian 12 on the same iMac. > > In my case, I'm booting the netinst image from USB but the kernel > crashes > somewhere. The screen is not refreshed after a few kernel messages, so I > was > not able to debug any further. > > On the web I've found this project https://fienixppc.blogspot.com/ and I > their > suggestion about a video driver misconfiguration and a possible > solution. > > See https://fienixppc.blogspot.com/p/troubleshooting-of.html > > None of the options, helped me. But I did not try to investigate more > since > then. Perhaps you will have better luck :) > > On 2024-01-23 14:54, Claudia Neumann wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have an iMac G5, PowerMac 12,1 PPC970FX, Platform: PowerMac 12,1 > > MacRISC4 Power Macinstosh, Memory 1GB+384MB. > > I had installed Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS and it was running fine. Now I need > > newer libc and so on. So I wanted to install Debian 12 or even Debian > > 13 on this iMac. > > Is that possible? I tried > > > > debian-12.4.0-ppc64el-netinst.iso > > but the iMac does not start from the DVD. > > What can I do? > > CU > > Claudia > > -- > Federico Vaga
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi Claudia and all, this is a very interesting coincidence. I've started trying a couple of days a go to install Debian 12 on the same iMac. In my case, I'm booting the netinst image from USB but the kernel crashes somewhere. The screen is not refreshed after a few kernel messages, so I was not able to debug any further. On the web I've found this project https://fienixppc.blogspot.com/ and I their suggestion about a video driver misconfiguration and a possible solution. See https://fienixppc.blogspot.com/p/troubleshooting-of.html None of the options, helped me. But I did not try to investigate more since then. Perhaps you will have better luck :) On 2024-01-23 14:54, Claudia Neumann wrote: Hi all, I have an iMac G5, PowerMac 12,1 PPC970FX, Platform: PowerMac 12,1 MacRISC4 Power Macinstosh, Memory 1GB+384MB. I had installed Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS and it was running fine. Now I need newer libc and so on. So I wanted to install Debian 12 or even Debian 13 on this iMac. Is that possible? I tried debian-12.4.0-ppc64el-netinst.iso but the iMac does not start from the DVD. What can I do? CU Claudia -- Federico Vaga
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi all, hi Adrian, downloaded the image and burnt on DVD. Now the iMac starts from DVD but hangs with: smp_core99_probe smp_core99_bringup_done the ventilator is up high but nothing else happens. I have ATI Radeon X600 (Rev 380) 3E50 (PCIE) Any hints? Claudia Am Dienstag, 23. Januar 2024, 14:58:08 CET schrieb John Paul Adrian Glaubitz: > Hi Claudia, > > On Tue, 2024-01-23 at 14:54 +0100, Claudia Neumann wrote: > > I have an iMac G5, PowerMac 12,1 PPC970FX, Platform: PowerMac 12,1 > > MacRISC4 > > Power Macinstosh, Memory 1GB+384MB. > > > > I had installed Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS and it was running fine. Now I need > > newer libc and so on. So I wanted to install Debian 12 or even Debian 13 > > on this iMac. > This is a computer running in big-endian mode, so you need to install a > big-endian PowerPC distribution. > > > Is that possible? I tried > > debian-12.4.0-ppc64el-netinst.iso > > but the iMac does not start from the DVD. > > The ppc64el Debian port targets little-endian PowerPC, so it's not > compatible with your Mac. > > > What can I do? > > Please use this installation image: > > https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2023-12-14/debian-12.0. > > 0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso > Adrian > > -- > .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > > : :' : Debian Developer > > `. `' Physicist > `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Debian 12 on iMac G5
Hi Claudia, On Tue, 2024-01-23 at 14:54 +0100, Claudia Neumann wrote: > I have an iMac G5, PowerMac 12,1 PPC970FX, Platform: PowerMac 12,1 MacRISC4 > Power Macinstosh, Memory 1GB+384MB. > > I had installed Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS and it was running fine. Now I need newer > libc and so on. So I wanted to install Debian 12 or even Debian 13 on this > iMac. This is a computer running in big-endian mode, so you need to install a big-endian PowerPC distribution. > Is that possible? I tried > debian-12.4.0-ppc64el-netinst.iso > but the iMac does not start from the DVD. The ppc64el Debian port targets little-endian PowerPC, so it's not compatible with your Mac. > What can I do? Please use this installation image: > https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2023-12-14/debian-12.0.0-ppc64-NETINST-1.iso Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer `. `' Physicist `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
