Re: HP Colorado internal IDE/ATAPI tape driver
On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Rob Duncan wrote: Can anyone report success with using one of these beasts as a backup system? The comments in the ATAPI tape driver claim that it (the software) is somewhat flaky; is this true in practise? I have a CONNER ATAPI tape drive. Works fine with the LoneTar demo. But LoneTar is not really very friendly! Better than tar, but... It likes to tell you that your backup failed, but is hard to determine why. Usually something trivial, that requires a setup change, and to run it all over again to see if it is happy. I had a bru demo, but it was already expired when I installed it from a CD. I have yet to get taper to work without segfaulting. Well it used to fault in the selection process. The current version waits until you are about 2/3 done with a backup. Unless the backup is broken up in small pieces. But then why have a 4GB tape? And plain old tar will work, but not very friendly. What kind of devices are other Debian users backing up with? Any thoughts on CD-RW as a medium? Thanks for any comments, Rob. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . /*** Running Debian Linux *** * For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, * * that whoever believes in Him should not perish...John 3:16 * * W. Paul Mills * Topeka, Kansas, U.S.A. * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://homepage.midusa.net/~wpmills/ * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.sound.net/~wpmills/ * * Bill, I was there several years ago, why would I want to go back? * / -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: CGI script for telnet or shell access
On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, R. Chris Ross wrote: I am looking for a means of running a CGI script that would be able to do a function similar to telnet. The idea would be that I could access a Linux machine by means of any web browser and do standard shell operations. Currently I work at a k12 school district and it is extremely common for a facility to have no other Internet access than a web browser. Being able to access a Linus machine that would be able to run a shell via the web would be invaluable. The shell could be accessed directly or via telnet. Hummm... Even win95 seems to have a telnet client. Just does not show up in any menus. /*** Running Debian Linux *** * For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, * * that whoever believes in Him should not perish...John 3:16 * * W. Paul Mills * Topeka, Kansas, U.S.A. * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://homepage.midusa.net/~wpmills/ * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.sound.net/~wpmills/ * * Bill, I was there several years ago, why would I want to go back? * / -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: CGI script for telnet or shell access
On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, R. Chris Ross wrote: I am looking for a means of running a CGI script that would be able to do a function similar to telnet. The idea would be that I could access a Linux machine by means of any web browser and do standard shell operations. Currently I work at a k12 school district and it is extremely common for a facility to have no other Internet access than a web browser. Being able to access a Linus machine that would be able to run a shell via the web would be invaluable. The shell could be accessed directly or via telnet. What about dialog. /*** Running Debian Linux *** * For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, * * that whoever believes in Him should not perish...John 3:16 * * W. Paul Mills * Topeka, Kansas, U.S.A. * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://homepage.midusa.net/~wpmills/ * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.sound.net/~wpmills/ * * Bill, I was there several years ago, why would I want to go back? * / -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
ipmasq2.2 - installation
Firstly, thank you all for the tips on the Libc5/6 problem I was having. I have a small network at home, and wasted to hook it to a common linux gateway. I installed ipmasq2.2 a few days ago and get the error. ipfwadm: setsockopt failed: Protocol not available I read the HOWTO and did all but recompile the Kernel. I was under the understanding that the kernel in Debian has ipforwarding already compiled in it. The .deb package seemed to install ok, and I have the required dependant .deb files installed. Have I set up something wrong or not set up something ?The Kernel version is 2.0 Perhaps it may be better to use The Socks4 server, or Transproxy. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Ian Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: cp -a
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Santiago Vila Doncel wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Ulisses Alonso Camaro wrote: I would like to know why cp -aR is not useful to replicate a disk Since cp -a [*] is useful to replicate a disk, I think you are really asking I would like to know why some people seem to prefer tar or cpio to replicate a disk. Well, I don't know the answer, but in either case, you have often to be careful to avoid infinite recursive copying: cd / mount /dev/somedisk /mnt cp -a * /mnt See the mess? ( /mnt/mnt/mnt/... ) You could add the -x switch. This skips subdirectories that are not on the same filesystem as the directories you are copying. cp -ax / /mnt would only copy the root filesystem to /mnt and not things like /proc, an accidentally mounted floppy or a /usr which is on a different filesystem. If /usr is on a different filesystem, simply do cp -ax / /usr /mnt to copy both filesystems to /mnt . Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: CGI script for telnet or shell access
On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, R. Chris Ross wrote: I am looking for a means of running a CGI script that would be able to do a function similar to telnet. The idea would be that I could access a Linux machine by means of any web browser and do standard shell operations. Currently I work at a k12 school district and it is extremely common for a facility to have no other Internet access than a web browser. Being able to access a Linus machine that would be able to run a shell via the web would be invaluable. The shell could be accessed directly or via telnet. On my website, I have a telnet://peak.org URL that works with about anything. Netscape and IE seem to like it. Check it out, if you want.. its at the bottom of my main page (below) -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- David Goodwinhttp://www.peak.org/~goodwid Corvallis, Oregon, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: cp -a
On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: cd / mount /dev/somedisk /mnt cp -a * /mnt See the mess? ( /mnt/mnt/mnt/... ) You could add the -x switch. This skips subdirectories that are not on the same filesystem as the directories you are copying. cp -ax / /mnt Trouble is that cp -ax will not copy /dev it treats them as normal files, it might also have problems with fifos and sockets.. tar -cl / | tar -x /mnt Doesn't have these problems though Jason -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [Q] dselect-mountable install does not find packages
grin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The 'mountable' method of dselect is great -- you don't have to wait for thousands of packages telling you it's already installed. Agreed! BZ to its author (Andy Mortimer, I think). But while from the local disk mirror it worked flawlessly, I failed to use it through NFS. I am using it succesfully via NFS against a mirror of Hamm. I have a partial mirror of hamm on the NFS, containing only the directories you see below: I set it up to use NFS mount in fstab, entered the dirs (hamm/binary-i386, contrib/binary-i386, non-free/binary-i386 and non-us/hamm), and update worked fine. After selecting I went on to [I]nstall, but it told me OK, just curious here -- what did you enter non-us/hamm as -- your local arcive? This is not related to your problems, but I was surprised that I was only asked for main, contrib, non-free, and local -- no mention of non-us. Warning: package XX, version X.Y-Z not available for installation. Skipping. I don't know about this, but ... and some Error: package XX does not have a filename! Skipping. this sounds like bug#8054 against dpkg-mountable. If a package fails to install, dselect (using the mountable method) looses track of it (Andy thinks that some strange behavior of dpkg itself is to blame for the actual problem) and you have to rerun 1. [U]pdate in dselect. Give that a try and see what happens. It may be that some other problem is keeping the packages from installing, giving this bug a chance to rear its head. Let me know what happens, as I am very interested in seeing this wonderful method working well for the hamm release. Andy, do you think that bug#8054 will be resolved prior to the release of hamm? Do you need someone to help debugging? Kirk Hilliard -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [Q] dselect-mountable install does not find packages
On 24 Jan 1998, Kirk Hilliard wrote: But while from the local disk mirror it worked flawlessly, I failed to use it through NFS. I am using it succesfully via NFS against a mirror of Hamm. Well, perhaps -- I cannot tell really -- it's related to that I'm not using a full mirror. For instance I don't have Packages.gz in 'hamm/hamm' but only in 'hamm/hamm/binary-i386'. Same to others. Seems that it looks for the files in the wrong directory... I have a partial mirror of hamm on the NFS, containing only the directories you see below: I set it up to use NFS mount in fstab, entered the dirs (hamm/binary-i386, contrib/binary-i386, non-free/binary-i386 and non-us/hamm), and update worked fine. After selecting I went on to [I]nstall, but it told me OK, just curious here -- what did you enter non-us/hamm as -- your local arcive? This is not related to your problems, but I was surprised that I was only asked for main, contrib, non-free, and local -- no mention of non-us. I'm using non-us as local :) Perhaps this is the way everyone does, perhaps I'm eccentric. Anyway mountable makes it possible to add as many source directories as I want. Warning: package XX, version X.Y-Z not available for installation. Skipping. I don't know about this, but ... seems dpkg-mountable looks the file in the wrong directory... and some Error: package XX does not have a filename! Skipping. this sounds like bug#8054 against dpkg-mountable. If a package fails to install, dselect (using the mountable method) looses track of it (Andy thinks that some strange behavior of dpkg itself is to blame for the actual problem) and you have to rerun 1. [U]pdate in dselect. Well, since no packages ever was found, this isn't really a problem of its own. :-) interested in seeing this wonderful method working well for the hamm release. I'm now using it regularly keeping my other hamm up to date, but it have the mirror on the local drive (it's the NFS server). So far it worked flawlessly except I was stupid enough to start Remove which removed far too much, probably because the lack of care on my side. ;-) [D'oh, I hate having important packages removed.] thanks, Peter -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: cp -a
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: cd / mount /dev/somedisk /mnt cp -a * /mnt See the mess? ( /mnt/mnt/mnt/... ) You could add the -x switch. This skips subdirectories that are not on the same filesystem as the directories you are copying. cp -ax / /mnt Trouble is that cp -ax will not copy /dev it treats them as normal files, it might also have problems with fifos and sockets.. tar -cl / | tar -x /mnt Doesn't have these problems though I disagree. # cp -ax /dev /tmp # cd /tmp/dev # ls -l hda log ttyS0 xconsole brw-rw 1 root disk 3, 0 Aug 4 20:36 hda srw-rw-rw- 1 root root0 Jan 24 16:43 log crw-rw 1 root dialout4, 64 Jan 25 02:54 ttyS0 prw-r--r-- 1 root root0 Jan 25 02:54 xconsole # Seems fine to me. Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [Q] dselect-mountable install does not find packages
Hi Peter! Well, perhaps -- I cannot tell really -- it's related to that I'm not using a full mirror. For instance I don't have Packages.gz in 'hamm/hamm' but only in 'hamm/hamm/binary-i386'. Same to others. Seems that it looks for the files in the wrong directory... Packages.gz is supposed to be in binary-i386. Oh! Are you not mirroring binary-all? A lot of the packages in binary-i386 are actually links to binary-all. Kirk Hilliard -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [Q] dselect-mountable install does not find packages
On 24 Jan 1998, Kirk Hilliard wrote: Well, perhaps -- I cannot tell really -- it's related to that I'm not using a full mirror. For instance I don't have Packages.gz in 'hamm/hamm' but only in 'hamm/hamm/binary-i386'. Same to others. Seems that it looks for the files in the wrong directory... Packages.gz is supposed to be in binary-i386. (there's a link from one step down to binary-i386) Oh! Are you not mirroring binary-all? A lot of the packages in binary-i386 are actually links to binary-all. If I didn't mirror it I wasn't able to install most of the stuff. :) cya peter -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Xsession (help)
Hi,
I am having a very frustrating time with my .xsession. I can login just
fine if I don't have a .xsession of my own, but if I copy the
/etc/X11/Xsession to my $HOME/.xsession, my console just hangs. After
this hanging, I have to reboot.
Here is what my Xsession looks like (the one I copy to $HOME/.xsession)
#! /bin/sh
#
# /etc/X11/Xsession
#
# This is the global Xsession file. It is used by both xdm and xinit.
# If /etc/environment is present, source it. It's useful to put default
# environment settings in this file, and then source it both here and in
# /etc/profile.
if [ -f /etc/environment ] ; then
. /etc/environment
fi
sysmodmap=/etc/X11/Xmodmap
usrmodmap=$HOME/.Xmodmap
sysresources=/etc/X11/Xresources
usrresources=$HOME/.Xresources
startup=$HOME/.xsession
for errfile in \
$HOME/.xsession-errors ${TMPDIR:-/tmp}/xses-$USER
/tmp/xses-$USER
do
if ( cp /dev/null $errfile 2 /dev/null )
then
chmod 600 $errfile
exec $errfile 21
break
fi
done
case $# in
1)
case $1 in
failsafe)
if grep -q ^allow-failsafe /etc/X11/config
then
exec xterm -geometry 80x24-0-0
fi
;;
esac
esac
if [ -f $sysresources ]
then
xrdb -merge $sysresources
fi
if [ -f $sysmodmap ]
then
xmodmap $sysmodmap
fi
if grep -q ^allow-user-resources /etc/X11/config
then
if [ -f $usrresources ]
then
xrdb -merge $usrresources
fi
fi
if grep -q ^allow-user-modmap /etc/X11/config
then
if [ -f $usrmodmap ]
then
xmodmap $usrmodmap
fi
fi
if [ -x $startup ] grep -q ^allow-user-xsession /etc/X11/config
then
exec $startup
else
xterm -ls
xterm -sb
if [ -e /etc/X11/window-managers ]
then
for i in `sed 's/#.*//' /etc/X11/window-managers`
do
if [ -x $i ]
then
exec $i
fi
xsetroot -solid RoyalBlue
done
fi
if [ -x /usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm ]
then
exec fvwm
fi
exec twm
fi
Here is what my /etc/X11/config looks like:
obey-nologin
run-xconsole
xdm-start-server
start-xdm
use-sessreg
allow-user-resources
allow-user-modmap
allow-user-xsession
allow-failsafe
Please help.Thnx Greg Green
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Re: Xsession (help)
Greg Green wrote (Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:12:45 -0700 ): |Hi, |I am having a very frustrating time with my .xsession. I can login just |fine if I don't have a .xsession of my own, but if I copy the |/etc/X11/Xsession to my $HOME/.xsession, my console just hangs. After |this hanging, I have to reboot. | |Here is what my Xsession looks like (the one I copy to $HOME/.xsession) |#! /bin/sh |# |[...] |startup=$HOME/.xsession This is the first thing to notice...$startup is the file to which you have copied the global Xsession file. |[...] |if [ -x $startup ] grep -q ^allow-user-xsession /etc/X11/config |then | exec $startup |else |[...] Here's your problem. It's going into an infinite loop, reading your $HOME/.xsession file. Why do you want to copy the global Xsession file to $HOME/.xsession? -alan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
wmaker_0.12.3-0.4 install scripts ...
Hi, all -- I was wondering if anybody else has yet installed the latest (as of Jan 24 98) package of wmaker (ver. 0.12.3-0.4). I had some problems with the install scripts; one I'm sure is a bug - somewher along in the install process, I got an error saying that the 'ldconfing' command is not available. Notice the misspelling in the command ^. I have manually edited the file (I'm sorry but it escapes me now..someplace in /var/lib/dpkg/) and changed the command to read ldconfig, and re-run 'dpkg --configure' for wmaker. That solved the problem. The second problem was with updating the menus, (you know the part, where the dpkg forks in the background...). Well, in this case the install script never exited from that forking -- it hung for about 10 minutes with the error saying 'aborting' and in the end I just Ctrl-c out of the dpkg process. now I can't find /etc/X11/WindowMaker/menu.hook file...(of course). Question is : is it me or has anyone else seen this? Thanks a lot. damir P.S. Is anyone running hamm Ddebian with the wmaker_0.12* and has a working asmail docked? I can get the 'noMail icon in the dock, but the asmail won't start unless it creates additional window...Any solutions? BTW, I run the asmail package from hamm/hamm/mail... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
ipmasq2.2 - installation
Sorry for the possible reposting, I have been having trouble with my mailer. Firstly, thank you all for the tips on the Libc5/6 problem I was having. I have a small network at home, and wasted to hook it to a common linux gateway. I installed ipmasq2.2 a few days ago and get the error. ipfwadm: setsockopt failed: Protocol not available I read the HOWTO and did all but recompile the Kernel. I was under the understanding that the kernel in Debian has ipforwarding already compiled in it. The .deb package seemed to install ok, and I have the required dependant .deb files installed. Have I set up something wrong or not set up something ?The Kernel version is 2.0 Perhaps it may be better to use The Socks4 server, or Transproxy. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Ian Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xdm startup?
Martin == Martin Bialasinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Most likely you told dpkg to keep your old /etc/init.d/xdm file, which was a dummy script. So that dummy script is part of the base installation? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Xsession (help)
Good observation...I had not noticed the $startup. Also, the reason I was copying my global Xsession, was so that I can modify it for myself and not mess with the global. Thanks for the help Greg Green Alan Su wrote: Greg Green wrote (Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:12:45 -0700 ): |Hi, |I am having a very frustrating time with my .xsession. I can login just |fine if I don't have a .xsession of my own, but if I copy the |/etc/X11/Xsession to my $HOME/.xsession, my console just hangs. After |this hanging, I have to reboot. | |Here is what my Xsession looks like (the one I copy to $HOME/.xsession) |#! /bin/sh |# |[...] |startup=$HOME/.xsession This is the first thing to notice...$startup is the file to which you have copied the global Xsession file. |[...] |if [ -x $startup ] grep -q ^allow-user-xsession /etc/X11/config |then | exec $startup |else |[...] Here's your problem. It's going into an infinite loop, reading your $HOME/.xsession file. Why do you want to copy the global Xsession file to $HOME/.xsession? -alan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Question re: core dump...
Hello all, I have a couple of questions... What is it exactly a core dump? And what should I do if I have one? Is there a certain cleanup or repair process I need to go thru? TIA -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Why is debian more of a learning curve than Redhat???
grin wrote: On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, George Bonser wrote: I think it is because of the conflict resolution screen and the fact that Debian offers more alternatives than Red Hat. Maybe there are TOO MANY alternatives offered for a new install. Well, dselect should perhaps start with --newbie switch :) offering 'typical installs' of some kind. Many users scared off because the some hundred packages selection screen. Amen!! - I installed RedHat with no problem at all, but Debian has continued to be rather user-unfriendly. I've installed hundreds of Mac and Windows applications, and both have a much better user interface than either RedHat or Debian, IMHO. Dave -- --David E. Scott Ohio Administrative Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [Q] dselect-mountable install does not find packages
Hi peter! I don't understand your response. For instance I don't have Packages.gz in 'hamm/hamm' but only in 'hamm/hamm/binary-i386'. Same to others. Packages.gz is supposed to be in binary-i386. (there's a link from one step down to binary-i386) Where? I just scoped out ftp.debian.org, and it, like my mirror, has Packages.gz in binary-i386. No symlinks there. Oh! Are you not mirroring binary-all? A lot of the packages in binary-i386 are actually links to binary-all. If I didn't mirror it I wasn't able to install most of the stuff. :) Huh? Are you saying that of course you are mirroring binary-all since you installed a lot of packages which require it? Have you checked to see that some of the packages dselect is complaining about are in place on your mirror, either in binary-i386 or as a symlink from there to binary-all? If so, then I don't know what is going on. Have you tried dselect's mounted method? The mountable method is great, but this could provide a good debugging test. Kirk Hilliard -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: wmaker_0.12.3-0.4 install scripts ...
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Damir J. Naden wrote: Hi, all -- I was wondering if anybody else has yet installed the latest (as of Jan 24 98) package of wmaker (ver. 0.12.3-0.4). I had some problems with the install scripts; one I'm sure is a bug - somewher along in the install process, I got an error saying that the 'ldconfing' command is not available. Notice the misspelling in the command ^. I reported this as a bug when the package was still in Incoming : Jason -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: cp -a
On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: I disagree. # cp -ax /dev /tmp # cd /tmp/dev # ls -l hda log ttyS0 xconsole brw-rw 1 root disk 3, 0 Aug 4 20:36 hda srw-rw-rw- 1 root root0 Jan 24 16:43 log crw-rw 1 root dialout4, 64 Jan 25 02:54 ttyS0 prw-r--r-- 1 root root0 Jan 25 02:54 xconsole # Seems fine to me. Weird, I did this not two days ago, cp -avRx /* . and it died on some file, I thought it was /dev or a fifo? That begs the question, what was wrong with that machine? : Jason -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Question re: core dump...
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Steven Morrill wrote: Hello all, I have a couple of questions... What is it exactly a core dump? And what should I do if I have one? Is there a certain cleanup or repair process I need to go thru? A core dump is caused when the program does something 'wrong'. It is similar to the Win95 'The task has executed an illegal.' You can just erase the core file, it contains a memory image of the program which may help you to debug it (if you had the sources). You might want to report it as a bug, no debian program should core dump in normal circumstances. Jason -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: cp -a
Weird, I did this not two days ago, cp -avRx /* . and it died on some file, I thought it was /dev or a fifo? Say . is /tmp. When you get to copying /tmp, you will get into recursion with /tmp/tmp being everything that you have copied into /tmp including the directory /tmp/tmp which will become /tmp/tmp/tmp... I usually make sure to get every directory but the one I'm copying into. Or using a rescue disk to I can have /mnt1 and /mnt2. Or using a tar that won't traverse mount points, etc... HTH, Brandon -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
default xterm
I'm using debian 1.3.1 and I want to change the default font size of xterm but I can't find which file to edit. I have look in /etc/Xresources, Xsession and the light did not came on. What is it? I'm using afterstep if that is of interest. -- -- Serge Delorme ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Berthierville, Quebec Canada ABUSUS NON TOLLIT USUM -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: cp -a
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Brandon Mitchell wrote: Weird, I did this not two days ago, cp -avRx /* . and it died on some file, I thought it was /dev or a fifo? Say . is /tmp. When you get to copying /tmp, you will get into recursion with /tmp/tmp being everything that you have copied into /tmp including the directory /tmp/tmp which will become /tmp/tmp/tmp... I usually make sure to get every directory but the one I'm copying into. Or using a rescue disk to I can have /mnt1 and /mnt2. Or using a tar that won't traverse mount points, etc... Actually it was /mnt/Linux and I was using the -x option to only traverse one disk : My memory must be going or something : Jason -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Xsession (help)
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Greg Green wrote: Good observation...I had not noticed the $startup. Also, the reason I was copying my global Xsession, was so that I can modify it for myself and not mess with the global. In that case, remove everything from your .xsession up to and inclusing the 'else' statement below and remove the 'fi' statement that goes with this if-then-else-fi statement. Then you can start modifying all you want. Of course, you can leave the first #! /bin/sh line. Everything you just deleted will be executed anyway from the /etc/X11/Xsession script. Alan Su wrote: Greg Green wrote (Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:12:45 -0700 ): |[...] |if [ -x $startup ] grep -q ^allow-user-xsession /etc/X11/config |then | exec $startup |else ^ delete up to and including this line Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian max file size is 1GB instead of 2GB?
On 24 Jan, Steve Hsieh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that on Debian, the maximum single file size on ext2fs is 1GB and not 2GB. Can someone confirm this, and suggest how to fix the problem, if possible? To which Stephen P. Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] replied: I no longer have the space to test this, but I did have a 2GB file in a 2.5GB partition on a Debian 1.3 system several months ago. Well, I've got a bunch of free space here. Let's see: $ # Try to make a 1.5GB file. $ perl -le '$_=6x1023; print while ++$i=1024*512*3' big $ ls -l big -rw-r--r-- 1 kirk kirk 1073741824 Jan 24 22:53 big $ echo hello big $ ls -l big -rw-r--r-- 1 kirk kirk 1073741824 Jan 24 22:55 big $ wc big 1048576 1048576 1073741824 big Exactly 1GB. FWIW, this is a 486/33 running stock Debian 1.3 using the kernel from a 1997-06-20 rescue disk. Kirk Hilliard -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Installation Question (IBM TP 560)
Justin, I hope you get an answer to your question: I've been battling for several weeks to get a Linux partition up that will boot when the IBM boot manager is used to select the linux partition, but with Debian, I get the same result you report. I've been able to install RedHat without any problems unless I tell it to write the MBR. Big mistake: after that, I could not boot my first partition - my Win95B/fat32 partition. My local linux guru located an undocumented DOS fdisk switch (fdisk /mbr) that cleared the problem, saving me having to reformat and reinstall all my Win95 software. I've been real unwilling to mess with the linux stuff since then. Dave Justin Liu wrote: and used the Tecra boot disks and got it to work. My problem now is that I want to have Linux coexist with other OS's via the OS/2 Boot Manager. I set up my partitions using OS/2 fdisk and installed Boot Manager. Then I ran the Debian install program to get a base system installed. When prompted about having LILO write the MBR and making Linux the default, I answered no to both questions. Now, when I reboot and select the Linux partition in BM, it reports that the partition is not formatted. and goes back to BM. I can boot up with the boot floppy created during installation. - Justin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --David E. Scott Ohio Administrative Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: default xterm
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Serge Delorme wrote: I'm using debian 1.3.1 and I want to change the default font size of xterm but I can't find which file to edit. I have look in /etc/Xresources, Xsession and the light did not came on. What is it? The resource is XTerm*VT100*font and you might want to set it in /etc/X11/Xresources or $HOME/.Xresources , like this: XTerm*VT100*font: 8x16 If you use *VT100*font as the resource name, many more applications start using this font as teir default. *font alone will probably mess up a whole lot of applications. :-) I'm using afterstep if that is of interest. No, that is not important. Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Permissions, gid, mount?
I'm trying to mount an msdos partition so that users logged into Linux can create files on it. I only have luck if I set gid=(group for a given user) as an option for the mount command. For instance, users bernie and bobbern belong to group 'users'. If I set gid=100 (group 'users' gid) then user bernie cannot, say, copy files to the mounted msdos partition. But if I set gid=1000 (user 'bernie' gid), then bernie can copy files to the mounted partition. In both cases I use a mount option 'umask=002', which gives 'group' permission to create and delete files, does it not? Last question: do the permissions (and/or group/owner) set for the mount point prior to mounting have anything to do with this? (Just in case I set them to drwxrwxr-x, which should give group create and delete permission.) I know this is basic Linux 101 stuff, but it's got me stumped! --- Bob Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] at Esmond, R.I. http://www.brainiac.com/bernie -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Why is debian more of a learning curve than Redhat???
On 24-Jan-1998, David E. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: grin wrote: On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, George Bonser wrote: I think it is because of the conflict resolution screen and the fact that Debian offers more alternatives than Red Hat. Maybe there are TOO MANY alternatives offered for a new install. Well, dselect should perhaps start with --newbie switch :) offering 'typical installs' of some kind. Many users scared off because the some hundred packages selection screen. Amen!! - I installed RedHat with no problem at all, but Debian has continued to be rather user-unfriendly. I've installed hundreds of Mac and Windows applications, and both have a much better user interface than either RedHat or Debian, IMHO. Dave Well, I've installed hundreds of Debian packages, and only been told to reboot once (and it was just a suggestion), and never had pacakges interfere with each other, crash the machine, refuse to install without the installation CD, overwrite each other's libraries, add themselves to *any* menu system you're using, etc. Dselect isn't perfect, and a replacement is under active development, but it's a bit unfair to compare it to the Windows click ok to install, and cross your fingers!. It's a different beast. It gives you plenty of flexibility, but of course flexibility costs you in complexity. It's also a bit unfair to compare to RedHat, because they have so many fewer packages and alternatives. Perhaps you could explain why you think the Mac/Win UI is better? Is it just prettier, or is there some way in which it is a better interface for doing the job? As far as I can see (the Windows installer) just covers your screen, tells you to kill all your other processes, shows you some cryptic disk space graphs (and some crappy graphics) as it copies files, gives you nice next buttons, then offers to reboot for you. Debian wouldn't need the reboot, the warnings, or the useless graphs. Perhaps the next buttons could stay. But if Windows were to allow you to install 27 packages at once, offered to download them, informed you of dependencies at the same time, and warned you if removing a package would cause trouble with other packages, you could be certain the windows installer/uninstaller would have more complex dialogs as well. I'll agree things could be improved, but Mac/Windows is simply NOT the way to go. -- Tyson Dowd # # Surreal humour isn't eveyone's cup of [EMAIL PROTECTED]# fur. http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~trd # -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Why is debian more of a learning curve than Redhat???
Tyson, I guess I'm just expressing frustration at not being able to master the installation process. Agreed, Debian dselect does a tremendous lot of work during the install process, and it's very infrequent that dependency or other warnings are issued during a Win95 product install. In the hands of a Debian expert, my future son-in-law, the process is pretty impressive and quick, even if it's rather mysterious when I try to duplicate the process on my own. For those of us coming to linux, Debian or otherwise, from the business environment where when we ask the system (Mac or Win 95) to do an install for a package, we can be pretty confident that, in fact, the install will happen and we can be pretty confident that when the install is finished, the particular package will work as advertised. Mainly I'm on the initial learning curve, where one needs a whereis command to find out where particular file or set of files is located in the file structure, where one needs a list command to quickly display the contents of a given file, both in ascii and hex. Those two commands were invaluable to me when I was learning my way around DOS. Eventho RedHat has fewer components, if that's the case, at least its CD produced a running system with much less effort on my part as a first time user. Getting over that hurdle and finding the right tools to navigate around the new system seems to me to be critical to the understanding of how things work. Hope that explains my position a little better. Thanks, Dave Tyson Dowd wrote: Perhaps you could explain why you think the Mac/Win UI is better? Is it just prettier, or is there some way in which it is a better interface for doing the job? -- --David E. Scott Ohio Administrative Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Network card question
Hi, I've just gotten an SOHOware 10/100 Auto PCI Fast Ethernet adapter card and I'd like to know if the Debian/Linux support this card? Secondly, I've frequently experienced 'bash' core dump on me and I'd like to know how would I go about fixing or report this problem. BTW, I tried to do a 'file core' and it never shows me the name of the application that cored as I've normally seen on Solaris.. Thanks Timothy C. Phan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [Q] 56K US Robotics?
Vladislav, You can use a chatscript of this type: ABORTBUSY ABORTNO CARRIER ABORTVOICE ABORTNO DIALTONE ABORTNO DIAL TONE ATZ OK ATDT123-4567 CONNECT \c ^M Then you will get the connect speed logged to /var/log/messages, although you may have to use the -v option to chat to make it log that. John Vladislav Papayan x285 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, Would anyone know how to verify that I am connecting to Internet at 56K. I run Debian hamm + 2.1.78 kernel. I use X-ISP package to connect (it displays 31.200 connected speed). I know that when I use the same modem connecting to the same ISP only running WinNT -- it connects at 56K. I made sure that setserial is used with speed_vhi options when setting up my serial ports. My pppd is 2.3 patch level two. What else do I need to do to get it going at 56K. And may be I am connecting at 56K -- but how do I verify it for sure (my modem is US Robatics external). Thanks in advance, Vladislav -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- John Goerzen | Developing for Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming| Debian GNU/Linux is a free replacement for [EMAIL PROTECTED] | DOS/Windows -- check it out at www.debian.org. --+-- Find out how to avoid all those pesky crashes, lockups, application errors, and slow applications at http://www.debian.org -- Debian can replace Windows 95 with a much more stable operating system. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Why is debian more of a learning curve than Redhat???
On Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 01:17:11AM -0500, David E. Scott wrote: For those of us coming to linux, Debian or otherwise, from the business environment where when we ask the system (Mac or Win 95) to do an install for a package, we can be pretty confident that, in fact, the install will happen and we can be pretty confident that when the install is finished, the particular package will work as advertised. Unfortunately, Windows' lack of a real package manager means that when you UNINSTALL the software, several other packages might be broken. Even when all the software uses InstallShield there are still problems. (I own InstallShield Express and use it for my commercial Windows software, but it's not particularly intelligent stuff). When I recently removed some software, it removed heaps of the MFC DLLs, leaving Office, SmartSuite, Winfax, and others all unusable until I could find other copies. This doesn't happen with Debian. hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[off topic] PPP over ISDN ???
Sorry for the off topic post, but I'm having problems connecting to work from my home debian system, while veryone else gets in on their Win95 systems :-( I have an NEC Aterm IT65Pro TA/DSU combo connected to my serial port, with three rj-11 ports configred for analogue on the TA and the TA's serial port configured to ISDN (I guess). My modem is connected to one of the analogue ports, and this works fine when I dial up to our Ascend MAX 2000 (configured for Hybrid connections). However, when I use the same script, but the serial port, it gags with either: NO CARRIER or Serial connection established Using interface ppp0 Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/ttyS1 Serial line is looped back Connection terminated or alarm Failed Connect script failed in no particular order of frequency (although the NO CARRIER message is fairly frequent). In addition, I have ISDN working to my ISP with no problem, but I have no idea what gear is used onthe other end. I tried using the same script that works with my ISP to connect to work, but it didn't fly. In all cases, I'm using PAP authentication. The MAX FAQ mentions problems with TAs using V.120 mode (text) instead of asynch-synch conversion and some TAs getting confused by this. The implication is that the ppp software causes the v.120 negotiation to begin incorrectly where the TA tries to bring up both channels, starting with the 1st, uses v.120 though, and can't bring up the second without first canning the 1st -- resulting in NO CARRIER messages. This sounds like what might be happenning to me, but I have no idea how I can check. The FAQ also seems to indicate that the MAX could be configured to work with misconfigured TAs providing the TAs are not using PAP or CHAP, but in order to use PAP or CHAP over ISDN, the TA has to negotiate in asynch-synch conversion mode (whatever that is). Since this v.120 vs asynch-synch nonsense is initialted by the ppp software (perhaps the dial string?), I'm wondering if I can force the asynch-synch stuff somehow. My connect line reads like this: connect '/usr/sbin/chat -v atdtxx CONNECT' Other ppp options are standard, and work with the modem dialup and the ISDN cinnection to my ISP. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Cheers, -- Until we extend the circle of our compassion to all living things, we will not ourselves find peace -Albert Schweitzer Richard G. Roberto -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
I/O error on iso fs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I just installed a Ricoh MP6200S CDR/RW into a PII-266, 128M ram, yada yada :) I had to roll my own cdrecord(1.5), since this box is the only one not yet libc6. I have wasted a few blanks, and successfully written 2 copies of some archived data. My most recent attempt gave me a cd with 637MB used, but when I try to cat the very last file on the cd, it goes alittle way and then gives I/O error. I read in the man page, was it mkisofs or cdrecord, about a isofs read ahead bug. Could this be the problem? I did not specify -K on the mkisofs, or -pad on the cdrecord. How can I determine if I have the bug? the system is a stock Debian 1.3, kernel 2.0.30. Will cdwrite ever support the Ricoh? On a side note, how much can i get on a cdr? I use kodak gold 74 minute. The reason I got the Ricoh was it is (supposedly) supported, and eventually will do read/write. I also have a phillips CDD-2600 setting in a box, just in case things dont go good. Not that anyone cares, but I'll be at Usenix San Antionio, Texas the 26th and 27. Thanks - -- Walter L. Preuninger IIwaldo @ irc.wasteland.org:#unix [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] L I N U X Where You Really Should Be! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNMrsgRfc9am3p77VAQG+vwgA8rGaAEJoDkSk2Gr6BCvKmSNR/4J4xGl8 R1VkoTT44YraCY8KF5aWSE9eatz8gObuRGZ1UP4tUpO8k/QxWSWn95GmxvNo5IZy Kx4Ix2THsXY5Wy4OYwgfn5/h0i8JKx9xKl+f/Z18rUi6zkX4y4y24DXYoP525GdE QFL+0r1PXUA0GnXIZCtodaEsHqF5t0Y1UuN/WAhX1336Db1evZBhjwizD60uFpRh uL2mT4RCX4Eqj6nKXzZ70bsX3uEyx4qOr7xLIpzgYpMYsoNnHfDPDGXvA76GNbU5 ip/aTnv4uRSV2rcFeOWC6ABqbX8tjoYc7z6mWUkSBf6eguqbNYFJZA== =fSdm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Off-line newsreader
Thanks for all you folks who replied to me regarding an off-line news reader. I d/led slrn and configured it, but as a couple of you suspected it _doesn't_ support d/l of just headers and the picking of interesting articles. I can't afford to d/l all the newsgroups I keep up with - some of them have over 100 messages a day, so I'm still looking for a true off-line news reader like the one I have in Windows at the moment g I had another look at Netscape, but when I was off-line it seemed to want to go to the server everytime I selected a new newsgroup (or just clicked on it). This was rather annoying (understatement), but I might have had something not setup quite right - or NS doesn't really do off- line news reading If anybody else has any other suggestions I'll be glad to hear them... Ian W Karachi, Pakistan email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Why is debian more of a learning curve than Redhat???
Tyson Dowd, [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 1/24/98 11:43 PM Perhaps you could explain why you think the Mac/Win UI is better? Is it just prettier, or is there some way in which it is a better interface for doing the job? As far as I can see (the Windows installer) just covers your screen, tells you to kill all your other processes, shows you some cryptic disk space graphs (and some crappy graphics) as it copies files, gives you nice next buttons, then offers to reboot for you. Debian wouldn't need the reboot, the warnings, or the useless graphs. Perhaps the next buttons could stay. The mac makes it clear as to exactly what is being installed -- that's the biggest difference. It tells you what's happening. dpkg is better for doing stuff en masse and certain other things, but the mac is certainly easier, mainly because of presentation. But if Windows were to allow you to install 27 packages at once, offered to download them, informed you of dependencies at the same time, and warned you if removing a package would cause trouble with other packages, you could be certain the windows installer/uninstaller would have more complex dialogs as well. In this way, the mac/windows is worse. Windows worse than the mac. dpkg is still intimidating to new users. Asher Haig [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Why is debian more of a learning curve than Redhat???
On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, David E. Scott wrote: Tyson, I guess I'm just expressing frustration at not being able to master the installation process. Agreed, Debian dselect does a tremendous lot of work during the install process, and it's very infrequent that dependency or other warnings are issued during a Win95 product install. In the hands of a Debian expert, my future son-in-law, the process is pretty impressive and quick, even if it's rather mysterious when I try to duplicate the process on my own. Ok, let's summarize the differences between the install programs. The Win95 installs have a simple design, are brain-dead and can present you with nice 'Next' buttons. The Debian installer can perform complex tasks but has a user interface that is hard to learn. For those of us coming to linux, Debian or otherwise, from the business environment where when we ask the system (Mac or Win 95) to do an install for a package, we can be pretty confident that, in fact, the install will happen and we can be pretty confident that when the install is finished, the particular package will work as advertised. Well, Debian is not much different. It's just that first-time users get overwhelmed (sp?) by the huge list of packages dselect shows them. That's something you'll have to get used to until deity is released. Mainly I'm on the initial learning curve, where one needs a whereis command to find out where particular file or set of files is located in the file structure, where one needs a list command to quickly display the contents of a given file, both in ascii and hex. Those two commands were invaluable to me when I was learning my way around DOS. Let me provide some info to help you with this. The whereis command is called locate. It reads a database that is updated daily if you leave the computer turned on and/or if you have installed the anacron package. Its argument can be any substring of any filename you want to look for. locate /bin will find all files in /bin, locate bin/a will find all programs starting with a, etc. You can also use special characters like * and ? . Read the manual page for more info. The list command is called less or view. view is actually a read-only mode of the editor vi. If you install the vi clone called elvis, you'll have some interesting options. To configure less to be more useful, you can set some environment variables. If you like them, place the commands to set them in /etc/profile and they will be set every time you log in. These are the commands: export LESSOPEN='|/usr/bin/lesspipe %s' This makes less pipe everything you view through this script. This gives you readable information for verious non-text files, like .tgz, .gz, .tar, .zip, .arj and .deb files. export PAGER='exec less -si' This instructs many programs, among which man, to use less to display the text instead of more. The -si tells less to ignore case when it searches through the text and to squeeze multiple consecutive blank lines into one blank line. If you have installed elvis, the view command can give you hex output, using the :display command. When viewing a file, type :display hex to get the hex view. :display normal gives you text again. :dis is an abbreviation for :display, :no is an abbreviation for :display normal. BTW, I can send you a reference sheet containing a summary for the most used vi commands, if you like. It's about 8 kB of text. You should get a UNIX book from the local library to actually learn vi, but this will help you a lot if you can't figure out how to exit vi. Eventho RedHat has fewer components, if that's the case, at least its CD produced a running system with much less effort on my part as a first time user. Getting over that hurdle and finding the right tools to navigate around the new system seems to me to be critical to the understanding of how things work. Yes, that is, in my opinion, the most important point where Debian is still behind other OSes -- _beginner_ friendlyness. Debian may be user friendly (there is no typical user, so user friendly has actually no meaning at all for any program), it is not beginner friendly. Hope that explains my position a little better. Thanks, Dave Yes, your position is actually typical for beginning Debian users. But, keep on reading documentation (as you should always do, but especially with Linux -- any Linux flavour) and one day you'll be an expert. :-) Tyson Dowd wrote: Perhaps you could explain why you think the Mac/Win UI is better? Is it just prettier, or is there some way in which it is a better interface for doing the job? I think it's not only prettier, but also better to understand for those who have never seen it before. Messages like 'click next to continue' make sense to everybody, the help screens in dselect are more difficult to understand. Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to
fdformat
Hi to everyone, Just a small and stupid question. How can I format floppies under Debian? I've tried fdformat /dev/fd0H1440 (which used to work with Slackware) but it doesn't work with Debian. What am I missing? Thanks, Catalin Popescu Catalin M. Popescu, Dermatologist str. Marcu M. Ruxandra 6 bloc A3 sc A ap 17 77306---BUCHAREST, ROMANIA PGP Pub Key ID DDA1EC5D Tel/Fax: +40 (1) 726 5703 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Virtual Desktop Size
How can I setup the Desktop Size under X to be not greater than the physical size of my monitor? How can I setup applications to make them start in a window with the upper-left corner in the upper-left corner of my monitor? Catalin Popescu Catalin M. Popescu, Dermatologist str. Marcu M. Ruxandra 6 bloc A3 sc A ap 17 77306---BUCHAREST, ROMANIA PGP Pub Key ID DDA1EC5D Tel/Fax: +40 (1) 726 5703 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
250 Megs=$49.95 per mo. with no SET-UP or TRANSFER FEES!
Friend, please accept my apology if this was sent to you in error! GET 250 Megs=$49.95 per mo. with no SET-UP or TRANSFER FEES! PLUS, you can get paid for referring others! http://207.178.129.108/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Installing Problems with 3com PCI Bus Master 3C590 Combo Network Card
Dear Users, In deciding to upgrade my Linux, I decided to change distribution re-install the whole thing. It's gone smoothly apart from the fact that the network is not recognised. This is, unfortunately, on the critical path to full installation! The errors reported are: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Try again SIOCADDRT:network is unreachable SIOCADDRT:network is unreachable In reports about the card, I get: eth0:Initial Media Type is 10baseT eth0:vortex_open() InternalConfig 0120010 ... eth0:media selection timer tick happened, 10baseT eth0:media 10baseT has link beat 8800 eth0:selection timer finished, 10baseT I have a 3com PCI Bus Master 3C590 Combo Network Card. I use the Thin CoAx BNC Connector for this. At Debian installation, I load the 3C359x module, entering the following: options=3 in the Debian screen for command line options. The 3 option specifies 10BASE2 as the medium-type. Things I've tried: *I have tried most other 1/2 sensible options in the module loader; *Someone on comp.os.linux.setup recently reported a similar sounding problem relating to a conflict with a SB card. I took my SB card out re-installed, but this makes no difference. A few questions: 1.Do you know the solution? 2.Why do the boot messages seem to indicate that the card is configured for RJ45 (10BaseT) when I specified the options in the module loader that I wanted BNC? 3.In what file can I find the modules _with parameters_ being loaded (my slackware system used to have /etc/rc.d/rc.modules for that, but I see nothing equivalent in my debian /etc/)? 4.Any suggestions as to how to further debug this (my Slackware system was running identical hardware barring a SCSI card that Debian seems to have recognised very nicely). Thank you Tony -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Installation Question (IBM TP 560)
David E. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Justin, I hope you get an answer to your question: I've been battling for several weeks to get a Linux partition up that will boot when the IBM boot manager is used to select the linux partition, but with Debian, I get the same result you report. I've been able to install RedHat without any problems unless I tell it to write the MBR. Big mistake: after that, I could not boot my first partition - my Win95B/fat32 partition. My local linux guru located an undocumented DOS fdisk switch (fdisk /mbr) that cleared the problem, saving me having to reformat and reinstall all my Win95 software. I've been real unwilling to mess with the linux stuff since then. I've used the OS/2 Warp 3.0 Boot Manager with Debian for over a year now. The trick is to put the linux loader to the boot block of the Linux root partition by putting the command boot=/dev/hdNUMBER where /dev/hdNUMBER is your the aforementioned root partition in the file /etc/lilo.conf and running lilo. /Tommi Kääriäinen/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Off-line newsreader
I've got one more suggestion. I did briefly try a program called news peruser an X based offline news fetcher/reader. It looked pretty good at the time but that was prior to my current install and I haven't installed it again. I grabbed it in .rpm format and used alien to install it. http://www.wwdc.com/~jbailie/peruser.html This link will give you some information on it complete with screen shots. I d/led slrn and configured it, but as a couple of you suspected it _doesn't_ support d/l of just headers and the picking of interesting articles. I can't afford to d/l all the newsgroups I keep up with - some of them have over 100 messages a day, so I'm still looking for a true off-line news reader like the one I have in Windows at the moment g -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Why is debian more of a learning curve than Redhat???
On Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 09:57:46AM +0100, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, David E. Scott wrote: Tyson, I guess I'm just expressing frustration at not being able to master the installation process. Agreed, Debian dselect does a tremendous lot of work during the install process, and it's very infrequent that dependency or other warnings are issued during a Win95 product install. In the hands of a Debian expert, my future son-in-law, the process is pretty impressive and quick, even if it's rather mysterious when I try to duplicate the process on my own. Ok, let's summarize the differences between the install programs. The Win95 installs have a simple design, are brain-dead and can present you with nice 'Next' buttons. The Debian installer can perform complex tasks but has a user interface that is hard to learn. Let's compare like with like. To install a program on windows you double click it and then keep clicking on next. To install a program on Debian you type dpkg -i filename. Dselect is not the installer, it is the package selection tool. It shows you a list of program which you have access to and can install. Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because bloated, unstable PGP key available on public key servers | operating systems are from MS -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Xsession (help)
Thanks! That did the trick. However, I am trying to xsetroot -solid RoyalBlue in this .xsession file and it works for about a second, then goes back to the original openwin default blue. Do I need to change another file? Your help is appreciated, Greg Green Remco Blaakmeer wrote: On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Greg Green wrote: Good observation...I had not noticed the $startup. Also, the reason I was copying my global Xsession, was so that I can modify it for myself and not mess with the global. In that case, remove everything from your .xsession up to and inclusing the 'else' statement below and remove the 'fi' statement that goes with this if-then-else-fi statement. Then you can start modifying all you want. Of course, you can leave the first #! /bin/sh line. Everything you just deleted will be executed anyway from the /etc/X11/Xsession script. Alan Su wrote: Greg Green wrote (Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:12:45 -0700 ): |[...] |if [ -x $startup ] grep -q ^allow-user-xsession /etc/X11/config |then | exec $startup |else ^ delete up to and including this line Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [Q] dselect-mountable install does not find packages
On 24 Jan 1998, Kirk Hilliard wrote: I don't understand your response. next time I won't answer after 4:30am :-] For instance I don't have Packages.gz in 'hamm/hamm' but only in 'hamm/hamm/binary-i386'. Same to others. Packages.gz is supposed to be in binary-i386. (there's a link from one step down to binary-i386) Where? I just scoped out ftp.debian.org, and it, like my mirror, has Packages.gz in binary-i386. No symlinks there. Oh! Are you not mirroring binary-all? A lot of the packages in binary-i386 are actually links to binary-all. Hmm, so I checked and it's not there. I recalled that there was a /debian/hamm/hamm/Packages.gz - binary-i386/Packages.gz link... perhaps it was just an illusion. Sorry. If I didn't mirror it I wasn't able to install most of the stuff. :) Huh? Are you saying that of course you are mirroring binary-all since you installed a lot of packages which require it? Yes. This is a working mirror since I installed 4 whole systems from it, and all of the docs are in binary-all, and they're symlinked into i386. So this is not a problem. Have you checked to see that some of the packages dselect is complaining about are in place on your mirror, either in binary-i386 Yes. Two things: 1) All of the packages about to upgrade or install were reported as missing 2) All of them installed successfully by hand. what is going on. Have you tried dselect's mounted method? The Well, it would run for half an hour or so, so better not... It worked last time, though. bye, peter -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Amaya + ENTER key
I installed Amaya, and I understand that it's a hack, and using lesstif so there can be quirks and stuff. Still I wonder, anyone have a working ENTER key? Mine's just does nothing, and seems it's not possible to insert LI elements and some other without ENTER. If yes, what to do to be able to use ENTER? cya peter -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Xsession (help)
Disregard.. I just put xsetroot in the background and it worked. Thanks for all the help! Greg Green Greg Green wrote: Thanks! That did the trick. However, I am trying to xsetroot -solid RoyalBlue in this .xsession file and it works for about a second, then goes back to the original openwin default blue. Do I need to change another file? Your help is appreciated, Greg Green Remco Blaakmeer wrote: On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Greg Green wrote: Good observation...I had not noticed the $startup. Also, the reason I was copying my global Xsession, was so that I can modify it for myself and not mess with the global. In that case, remove everything from your .xsession up to and inclusing the 'else' statement below and remove the 'fi' statement that goes with this if-then-else-fi statement. Then you can start modifying all you want. Of course, you can leave the first #! /bin/sh line. Everything you just deleted will be executed anyway from the /etc/X11/Xsession script. Alan Su wrote: Greg Green wrote (Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:12:45 -0700 ): |[...] |if [ -x $startup ] grep -q ^allow-user-xsession /etc/X11/config |then | exec $startup |else ^ delete up to and including this line Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
where is it?
I have been looking for Debian Linux on their ftp site for a few days. What is the exact path I need to follow to download the complete Debian 1.3 w/ all upgrades? All help is appriciated Cynyde -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Amaya + ENTER key
On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:53:50 +0100 grin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I installed Amaya, and I understand that it's a hack, and using lesstif so there can be quirks and stuff. Still I wonder, anyone have a working ENTER key? Mine's just does nothing, and seems it's not possible to insert LI elements and some other without ENTER. I haven't had a chance to play with it, but my brother (and sysadmin) just installed Amaya on my system, and whenever the mouse hits the toolbar, it crashes and dumps 13M of core. -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- David Goodwinhttp://www.peak.org/~goodwid Corvallis, Oregon, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hamm fvwm2 -- new Focus behavior
I also found the fvwm changes troublesome since I had to spend a few hours (or was that days) redoing post.hook. I also feel something like ctrltab should raise and focus on successive windows. I found the default fvwm configuration anemic. I solved this focus and raise problem, but I use ctrl rather than alt with tab. I sought to minimally change the default setup for fvwm in /etc/X11/fvwm2. I found that I do not need my own .fvwm2rc. All I need are ~/.fvwm2/init-restart.hook and ~/.fvwm2/post.hook. Below I include a portion of post.hook that solves your raise and focus problem. Below that, I enclose all of my init-restart.hook file. Being forced to redo fvwm congigurations, I saw and now use some wonderful tools that those wonderful fvwm guys put together. For example, like the common desk top environment, I have each page display a different background picture, one the earth with its cities, one black-and-white 0-1s, one fallen leaves, and one clouds. Also, whenever I interact with the X-window system, different sounds come through my speaker. I really like a Star Trek like soft-voiced The system is coming up. Liking Unix, I consider these backgrounds and sounds glitz, largely not worthy of our time. I put them in because non-unix people only notice glitz, having no idea what a shell is. Indeed, non-unix people have largely entered the pre-historic era with the mouse carving out hieroglyphics. Unix is for the language literate and the computer literate. HERE IS SOME OF MY CODE FROM post.hook: # # Fvwm, mostly through defaults as sent, has the following possibilities: # Circulate windows: # # 1. alttab next window on current page # 2. altshifttab previous window on current page # 3. ctrlalttab next window (will de-iconify) on current page # 4. ctrlaltshifttabprevious window (will de-iconify) on current page # 9. altclick-3 or F12Raise-lower the window at current cursor-position, like Sun's Front key. # I make controltab cycle and popup windows. # I believe this was the default before, but something has changed in fvwm2. # CirculateUp is obsolete. Key Tab A C Function next-and-raise AddToFunc next-and-raise I Next [CurrentPage !iconic] Focus + I Current Raise + I Current WarpToWindow 5p 5p Key Tab A SCFunction previous-and-raise AddToFunc previous-and-raise I Prev [CurrentPage !iconic] Focus + I Current Raise + I Current WarpToWindow 5p 5p Key Tab A MCFunction next-and-raise-icon AddToFunc next-and-raise-icon + I Next [CurrentPage] Focus + I Current Iconify -1 + I Current Raise + I Current WarpToWindow 5p 5p Key Tab A SMC Function previous-and-raise-icon AddToFunc previous-and-raise-icon + I Prev [CurrentPage] Focus + I Current Iconify -1 + I Current Raise + I Current WarpToWindow 5p 5p HERE ARE ALL MY LINES FROM init-restart.hook: + I Module FvwmIconMan #+ I Module FvwmWinList #I prefer FvwmIconMan + I Module FvwmBacker + I Module FvwmAudio # #I TRY THE FOLLOWNG for FvwmAuto 2000, 2 seconds --if window has focus, it # actually raises in 2 seconds. #Still, everybody dislikes any auto-raising. #+ I Module FvwmAuto 2000 # Because the last line of .fvwm2rc starts FvwmPager 0 0, # here I kill FvwmPager and restart it, following the last paragraph of # README.sysrc.gz. # However, since FvwmButtons usually didn't swallow FvwmPager when I started # FvwmPager here, # I start the FvwmPager I want in post.hook. + I Wait FvwmPager + I KillModule FvwmPager + I Module FvwmPager 0 3 # In post.hook, I swallow FvwmPager, so the above KillModule FvwmPager # interrupts and eliminates FvwmButtons also. # As a solution, I start FvwmButtons below. + I Module FvwmButtons The behavior of the Focus command has changed in the version of fvwm2 provided in hamm. /usr/doc/fvwm2/ChangeLog.gz says: 2.0.46 [snip] 37. Focus command no longer raises - use an interpreted focus-and-raise function if that's desired /etc/X11/fvwm2/system.fvwm2rc (in both bo and hamm) contains the lines: Key Tab A M Next [CurrentDesk !iconic] Focus Key Tab A MS Prev [CurrentDesk !iconic] Focus I prefer the old behavior where Alt-Tab raised the window that it shifted focus to, so I added the following lines to my ~/.fvwm2/post.hook: DestroyFunc focus-and-raise AddToFunc focus-and-raise + I Raise + I Focus Key Tab A M Next [CurrentDesk !iconic] focus-and-raise Key Tab A MS Prev [CurrentDesk !iconic] focus-and-raise This works as long as my mouse is
Re: Debian max file size is 1GB instead of 2GB?
Well, lets see: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /dev/zero xxx cat: write error: File too large [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l xxx -rw-r--r-- 1 kadamski users2147482624 Jan 25 12:02 xxx [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /proc/version Linux version 2.0.33 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.7.2.1) #6 Sun Dec 28 23:08:15 EST 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ df . Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on /dev/sda23966376 2813561 947608 75% / I remember doing this in 2.0.29 and getting only 1G for files, so something changed in the newer kernel. Krzysztof On 24 Jan 1998, Kirk Hilliard wrote: On 24 Jan, Steve Hsieh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that on Debian, the maximum single file size on ext2fs is 1GB and not 2GB. Can someone confirm this, and suggest how to fix the problem, if possible? To which Stephen P. Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] replied: I no longer have the space to test this, but I did have a 2GB file in a 2.5GB partition on a Debian 1.3 system several months ago. Well, I've got a bunch of free space here. Let's see: $ # Try to make a 1.5GB file. $ perl -le '$_=6x1023; print while ++$i=1024*512*3' big $ ls -l big -rw-r--r-- 1 kirk kirk 1073741824 Jan 24 22:53 big $ echo hello big $ ls -l big -rw-r--r-- 1 kirk kirk 1073741824 Jan 24 22:55 big $ wc big 1048576 1048576 1073741824 big Exactly 1GB. FWIW, this is a 486/33 running stock Debian 1.3 using the kernel from a 1997-06-20 rescue disk. Kirk Hilliard -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Why is debian more of a learning curve than Redhat???
Remco Blaakmeer wrote: Ok, let's summarize the differences between the install programs. The Win95 installs have a simple design, are brain-dead and can present you with nice 'Next' buttons. The Debian installer can perform complex tasks but has a user interface that is hard to learn. Agreed. chuckle, but I'm not so sure the Win95 install wizard could be characterized as brain-dead at least not in comparison to the truly brain-dead installations in Win 3.1 from 3d party suppliers especially, and sometimes even from 3d party suppliers in Win 95/NT. I guess there's a good deal of comfort level in those newer installers that do it all and even warn you and give you the option of replacing or keeping a newer DLL it finds already installed. (Similar in concept, I suppose, to the dependency checks Debian does?) BTW, the new Mac-based Office 98 from Microsoft offers the most simple install - there are no extensions required - all you do to install is drag the Office 98 folder from the CD to the Hard Drive and you're done!! Now *that's* the way all software *should* be installed. I'd *love* to see a fully windows-based linux that allowed installations that simple (and reliable). Just Drag and Drop - and yer done. Mac for several years has had even a smart drag and drop for stuff that goes into the System Folder: If you drag a font into the system folder, the system knows to put it into the Font folder; if you drag a Control Panel, the system knows to put it in the control panel folder, etc. I would think that if business types were to see that kind of software management in unix systems like linux, they'd likely take a much harder look at linux than they already are. Well, Debian is not much different. It's just that first-time users get overwhelmed (sp?) by the huge list of packages dselect shows them. That's something you'll have to get used to until deity is released. 'deity'? now there's a new one on me. where can i find out more about it? i agree, i'm overwhelmed (sp ok) by the huge deselect list of packages. Perhaps that's why i found RedHat easier to understand: there was a simple check list: if you want such and such a function or program feature, just check the box and run, or check the install all box and just sit back - no dependency errors - it just does the install. When I tried selecting all in a debian 1.3.1 install, I got tons of dependency error messages - making me very unconfidant (sp?) that debian knew what it was doing. Let me provide some info to help you with this. Thank You Very Much for the explanation you provided in this section. In the interests of conserving bandwidth, I'll delete/snip all but the portions I comment on, but I really do appreciate that information!! It's that kind of information that really helps a newbie up the learning curve. :) The whereis command is called locate. It reads a database that is updated daily if you leave the computer turned on and/or if you have installed the anacron package. So THAT's why I was getting the message that the locate database was over 8 days old. Later I found about the updatedb command, but it didn't seem to work. Thanks for the anacron information, I'll look into that: I suspect that allows one to keep the locate/db up to date even if one's machine isn't turned on all the time (this Pentium II/233 is so new and generates more heat than my previous 486 that I don't trust it yet leaving it on 24x7. In addition, the cat would spend all her time on top of the monitor G) I just checked the Linux Man book I have from RedHat, and there was no reference to anacron in the index. Where is a good source of information on this? BTW, that same book, the second edition, does contain documentation for a whereis command (I thought its origins were in the unix world), but I don't recall ever finding it or being able to use it in either the Debian installation or the RedHat installation when I had them running. The list command is called less or view. view is actually a read-only mode of the editor vi. If you install the vi clone called elvis, you'll have some interesting options. I found elvis in my Linux Man book (from RedHat), so that's covered. But thanks for the environment information below: our linux guru hasn't passed that along to me yet - but then I've not had a stable installation I can trust yet. :) To configure less to be more useful, you can set some environment variables. If you like them, place the commands to set them in /etc/profile and they will be set every time you log in. These are the commands: So *that's* where I stash my environment setups. Thanks again for the tips !! If you have installed elvis, the view command can give you hex output, using the :display command. When viewing a file, type :display hex Interesting thing about the DOS command LIST (actually a shareware add-on that's very popular) is that you can say LIST filename and you get an ascii display and then just
Re: [off topic] PPP over ISDN ???
Richard G. Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Serial connection established Using interface ppp0 Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/ttyS1 Serial line is looped back Connection terminated You should add debug to your pppd options and check /var/log/ppp.log for detailed log. In addition, I have ISDN working to my ISP with no problem, but I have no idea what gear is used onthe other end. I tried using the same script that works with my ISP to connect to work, but it didn't fly. In all cases, I'm using PAP authentication. software (perhaps the dial string?), I'm wondering if I can force the asynch-synch stuff somehow. My connect line reads like this: I don't know your equipment, but you on the TAs I know you can issue a commend prior to dialing to make it use the HDLC transparent mode (or sync PPP to async HDLC or whatever you call it). On a Elsa TA it is ATb16\n10 for example. Check your TA's instructions about HDLC mode. Ciao, Martin -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Permissions, gid, mount?
Bob Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm trying to mount an msdos partition so that users logged into Linux can create files on it. I only have luck if I set gid=(group for a given user) as an option for the mount command. This is a reasonable way to do it. For instance, users bernie and bobbern belong to group 'users'. If I set gid=100 (group 'users' gid) then user bernie cannot, say, copy files to the mounted msdos partition. But if I set gid=1000 (user 'bernie' gid), then bernie can copy files to the mounted partition. In both cases I use a mount option 'umask=002', which gives 'group' permission to create and delete files, does it not? It should work. You did check, that bernie is really a member of group users? The command groups will show you the groups the user belongs to. Last question: do the permissions (and/or group/owner) set for the mount point prior to mounting have anything to do with this? (Just in case I set them to drwxrwxr-x, which should give group create and delete permission.) No, they don't. Ciao, Martin -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xdm startup?
Mike Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin == Martin Bialasinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Most likely you told dpkg to keep your old /etc/init.d/xdm file, which was a dummy script. So that dummy script is part of the base installation? Don't know. I just wanted to say, that there was already a /etc/init.d/xdm file and you told dpkg to keep it. According to dpkg, xbase is owner of /etc/init.d/xdm. Maybe it didn't configure on the first run due to unresolved dependencies and you intalled/configured it again after installing a xserver or something. Ciao, Martin -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Installing Problems with 3com PCI Bus Master 3C590 Combo Network Card
Tony Curzon Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First of all: I may be wrong, but aren't the vortex and the boomerang cards supported only by kernel = 2.0.32 ? The errors reported are: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Try again SIOCADDRT:network is unreachable SIOCADDRT:network is unreachable When do this errors occur? 1. check if the card is really used by Linux cd /proc cat ioports cat interrupts cat modules 2. check the networkconfiguration route -n ifconfig (the above errors could be from /etc/init.d/network) 3.In what file can I find the modules _with parameters_ being loaded (my slackware system used to have /etc/rc.d/rc.modules for that, but I see nothing equivalent in my debian /etc/)? /etc/modules and /etc/conf.modules 4.Any suggestions as to how to further debug this (my Slackware system was running identical hardware barring a SCSI card that Debian seems to have recognised very nicely). Hardwaredetection is IMHO nothing distribution, but kernelversion specific. Ciao, Martin -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
uucico invoked by uudaemon.hr
I am a leafsite, having an uucp connection for e-mail via a smart-host. Each time I invoke uucico from the command prompt ie /usr/lib/uucp/uucico -S systemname -x 2 I get a good connection an e-mail is transfered. When uucico is invoked by the uudaemon.hr (I've mentioned an entry in /etc/uucp/Poll) I get a No login defined message. Has anybody an idea what's happening? Catalin Catalin M. Popescu, Dermatologist str. Marcu M. Ruxandra 6 bloc A3 sc A ap 17 77306---BUCHAREST, ROMANIA PGP Pub Key ID DDA1EC5D Tel/Fax: +40 (1) 726 5703 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Help with Netatalk
Hello all, I am trying to get netatalk working on my small home network (just my Linux box and a Mac 6115). I have all of the requisite parts, and it seems to start OK on the linux machine but won't show up in the chooser, and the AppleTalk control panel says now AppleTalk zones available. BTW I have TCP/IP working fine between the two over ethernet, as my linux box masquerades for the mac to the Internet via a PPP connection. Details: Mac Performa 6115CD, 40meg RAM (no VM) System 8.1 OpenTransport 1.3 Linux AMD 75mHz Pentium clone 32 Meg RAM EtherExpress 16TP Debian 1.3 distribution Linux 2.0.27 netatalk 1.4b2-4 Config files: /etc/atalkd.conf: eth0 -seed -phase 2 -net 0-65534 -addr 2000.183 (Yes, I've tried it without the -seed) --- /etc/AppleVolumes.default: # local directory name of macintosh volume ~/ Home Directory --- /etc/AppleVolumes.system: # local directory name of macintosh volume / Machine Root --- Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I am pulling my hair out about this. Thanks, Ben -- Ben White [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Question re: core dump...
Alan Su wrote: Steven Morrill wrote (Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:01:09 -0800 ): |Hello all, | |I have a couple of questions... What is it exactly a core dump? |And what should I do if I have one? Is there a certain cleanup or repair |process I need to go thru? | A core dump just indicates that a process has terminated abnormally, and as a result has stored an image of the memory as a disk file. The purpose of this is so that if you want, you can load the core file into a debugger and figure out where it crashed. As far as cleanup goes, you should probably remove any core files that you have, as they generally take up lots of space. No other cleanup process needs to be performed... hope that helps. -alan Thank you!! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Can't get past `make dep'
When attempting to compile a kernel (2.0.32 or 2.0.33) on a system recently upgraded to libc6, `make dep' fails with the following message: make dep make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.32/arch/i386/boot' make[1]: Nothing to be done for `dep'. make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.32/arch/i386/boot' scripts/mkdep init/*.c .tmpdepend scripts/mkdep `find /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.32/include/asm /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.32/include/linux /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.32/include/scsi /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.32/include/net -follow -name \*.h ! -name modversions.h -print` .hdepend make: *** [dep-files] Error 139 Does anyone know what I'm missing? Thanks, Mike -- Michael Hill Toronto, Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re[2]: Permissions, gid, mount?
Hi Martin, You wrote: For instance, users bernie and bobbern belong to group 'users'. If I set gid=100 (group 'users' gid) then user bernie cannot, say, copy files to the mounted msdos partition. But if I set gid=1000 (user 'bernie' gid), then bernie can copy files to the mounted partition. In both cases I use a mount option 'umask=002', which gives 'group' permission to create and delete files, does it not? It should work. You did check, that bernie is really a member of group users? Stupid me; what I didn't check is whether files were actually being copied to the target msdos dir (in this case '/opendos/'). They are being copied! But cp gives me a message to the contrary, for instance: bernie$ cp newsgroups /opendos/ cp: /opendos/newsgroups: Operation not permitted But the file newsgroups is there in /opendos/! And, no, it isn't a question of legal dos filenames, as I've checked this with files conforming to 8.3 dos convention. I scoured the man page for cp, but to no avail. Can I alias cp with an option to not produce this meaningless message? But where does it come from?? /s Confused in Rhode Island g --- Bob Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] at Esmond, R.I. http://www.brainiac.com/bernie -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: fdformat
On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Catalin Popescu wrote: Hi to everyone, Just a small and stupid question. How can I format floppies under Debian? I've tried fdformat /dev/fd0H1440 (which used to work with Slackware) but it doesn't work with Debian. What am I missing? Use superformat in the fdutils package, instead. Bob --- Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: where is it?
I have been looking for Debian Linux on their ftp site for a few days. What is the exact path I need to follow to download the complete Debian try /debian/dists/stable also, poke around with a browser rather than ftp (just type ftp://ftp.debian.org into the browser). This way, you get the messages README's. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: problems with dselect from the DEBIAN include the German magazine CHIP
On Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 06:28:00PM +0100, Matthias Knauff wrote: if I want to use dselect from the DEBIAN-LINUX include the German magazine CHIP I have a serious problem. By choosing the method on CD-ROM (Plextor SCSI 12/20) I get always the errormessage broken pipe in When I This is only a warning. Indeed the pipe is broken as only the first line is read (by using |head -1). This only looks ugly on the screen but is not severe. ignore this and install the Xserver_SVGA for example I never get a komlete installation. I have heard from the German distributor JFL that this is a known problem but I don´t found a solution anywhere. Why do you think you don't get a complete installation? The warning does not only occur by cdrom installations and it's really not harmful. The whole statement is used only to determine if there's a debian directory (binary-$arch, Packages or similar, I don't remember exactly) inside of it. Regards, Joey -- / Martin Schulze * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * 26129 Oldenburg / / The MS-DOS filesystem is nice for removable media / / -- H. Peter Anvin / pgpGvbdG8G3bo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Re[2]: Permissions, gid, mount?
Bob Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stupid me; what I didn't check is whether files were actually being copied to the target msdos dir (in this case '/opendos/'). They are being copied! But cp gives me a message to the contrary, for instance: bernie$ cp newsgroups /opendos/ cp: /opendos/newsgroups: Operation not permitted But the file newsgroups is there in /opendos/! And, no, it isn't a question of legal dos filenames, as I've checked this with files conforming to 8.3 dos convention. I scoured the man page for cp, but to no avail. Can I alias cp with an option to not produce this meaningless message? But where does it come from?? I think cp wants to set permissions. But it can't on a msdos filesystem. Add the quiet line to the mount options to get rid of these messages. Ciao, Martin -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
superformat having problems allocating memory?
I'm not sure if this is a problem with the superformat program from the fdutils package or with malloc under libc6 or with my kernel but I get errors from superformat saying it cannot allocate memory when there is a lot of memory available. bash-2.01$ superformat -d /dev/fd0 Formatting cylinder 0, head 0 format: Cannot allocate memory bash-2.01$ cat /proc/meminfo total:used:free: shared: buffers: cached: Mem: 130924544 126173184 4751360 24453120 55037952 37212160 Swap: 10692198420480 106901504 MemTotal:127856 kB MemFree: 4640 kB MemShared:23880 kB Buffers: 53748 kB Cached: 36340 kB SwapTotal: 104416 kB SwapFree:104396 kB Am I misinterpreting that error message? I have the 5.2pl4-2 fdutils package installed, a 2.0.33 kernel, and libc6 version 2.0.6-3 on a hamm system. Other programs don't seem to have problems with memory allocation. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Installation Question (IBM TP 560)
Tommi Kaariainen wrote: I've used the OS/2 Warp 3.0 Boot Manager with Debian for over a year now. The trick is to put the linux loader to the boot block of the Linux root partition by putting the command boot=/dev/hdNUMBER where /dev/hdNUMBER is your the aforementioned root partition in the file /etc/lilo.conf and running lilo. /Tommi Kääriäinen/ Tommi, My system initially was a Win95B system using FAT32 for the full 5 gig drive. I bought Powerquest Partition Magic to resize the FAT32 partition down so that I could put an msdos partition (800M) and a 1.5G extended partition containing both the Linux partition and swap partitions). Partition Magic comes with IBM's Boot Manager which I installed as the fourth primary partition at the top of the 5gig drive so I could select between Win 95, Linux, and I also wanted to be able to boot to the msdos partition to run the Win 3.1 system from my previous computer. To your knowledge, is the Boot Manager referred to here one and the same as the Boot Manager you're using? Thanks, Dave -- --David E. Scott Ohio Administrative Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Why is debian more of a learning curve than Redhat???
On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Asher Haig wrote: The mac makes it clear as to exactly what is being installed -- that's the biggest difference. It tells you what's happening. dpkg is better for doing stuff en masse and certain other things, but the mac is certainly easier, mainly because of presentation. I just wanted to add that the Mac does not tell you _everything_ it is installing. This simply is not true. With .sit .sea archives you can open them up an look to see what is going to be installed. But the standard Install program will give you a display of what the author wants you to see being install as it also quietly slips things into your system folder or resources into the System file. Just my two bits. --Eric Yocom -- If you are good, you will be assigned all the work. If you are really good, you will get out of it. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
omniORB thread
Hi all,
after having unsuccesfully tried to install omniORB, since the problem was in
the NameService, I tried to get a CORBA client anyway (I don't need to use the
NameService anyway).
Well I can compile, but I get segmentation fault when I try to run it. Using
gdb I found that the problem is in the libraries during a call to lock a
thread semaphore. Can someone tell me if the thread are usable by now?
I have hamm system, libc6 etc ... but a custom kernel 2.0.33. Can this be the
problem? Also i change manually the links from /usr/include/{linux,ams} to
point to the kernel source tree ...
thanks for any help/feedback,
graziano
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Re: fdformat
On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Catalin Popescu wrote: : Hi to everyone, : : Just a small and stupid question. How can I format floppies under Debian? : I've tried fdformat /dev/fd0H1440 (which used to work with Slackware) but : it doesn't work with Debian. What am I missing? : : Thanks, : : Catalin Popescu I use superformat, which can be found in package fdutils. I think superformat first appeared when 1.3 came out, but don't quote me on that. When you install the package it'll ask permission to create new floppy devices; let it do that and you're ready to go. HTH, -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet - 410 South Phillips Avenue - Sioux Falls, SD 57104 phone: (605) 334-4454 fax: (605) 335-1173 mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net PGP Key ID: 0xA33B86E9 - Public key available at keyservers PGP Key fingerprint: CE03 10AF 3281 1858 9D32 C2AB 936D C472 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Local printing on server
At 06:18 21.1.98 -0700, you wrote: Bostjan, Did you also install LPRng instead of lpr? I recieved the same type of error when trying to use apsfilter with LPRng. Switched to magicfilter and everything worked fine. Steve Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I installed magicfilter and works like magic. Bostjan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Installation Question (IBM TP 560)
David E. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tommi, My system initially was a Win95B system using FAT32 for the full 5 gig drive. I bought Powerquest Partition Magic to resize the FAT32 partition down so that I could put an msdos partition (800M) and a 1.5G extended partition containing both the Linux partition and swap partitions). Partition Magic comes with IBM's Boot Manager which I installed as the fourth primary partition at the top of the 5gig drive so I could select between Win 95, Linux, and I also wanted to be able to boot to the msdos partition to run the Win 3.1 system from my previous computer. To your knowledge, is the Boot Manager referred to here one and the same as the Boot Manager you're using? I don't know, however as far as I know putting the Linux Loader (lilo) to the boot block of the Linux root partition (the logical partition i this case) shouldn't break anything. /Tommi Kääriäinen/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: superformat having problems allocating memory?
On 25 Jan 1998, Douglas Bates wrote: I'm not sure if this is a problem with the superformat program from the fdutils package or with malloc under libc6 or with my kernel but I get errors from superformat saying it cannot allocate memory when there is a lot of memory available. bash-2.01$ superformat -d /dev/fd0 Formatting cylinder 0, head 0 format: Cannot allocate memory bash-2.01$ cat /proc/meminfo total:used:free: shared: buffers: cached: Mem: 130924544 126173184 4751360 24453120 55037952 37212160 Swap: 10692198420480 106901504 MemTotal:127856 kB MemFree: 4640 kB MemShared:23880 kB Buffers: 53748 kB Cached: 36340 kB SwapTotal: 104416 kB SwapFree:104396 kB Am I misinterpreting that error message? I have the 5.2pl4-2 fdutils package installed, a 2.0.33 kernel, and libc6 version 2.0.6-3 on a hamm system. Other programs don't seem to have problems with memory allocation. FWIW, I don't get this error (same packages installed). --- Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re[4]: Permissions, gid, mount?
Martin Bialasinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think cp wants to set permissions. But it can't on a msdos filesystem. Add the quiet line to the mount options to get rid of these messages. You are correct sir. Thanks! --- Bob Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] at Esmond, R.I. http://www.brainiac.com/bernie -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: superformat having problems allocating memory?
Bob Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 25 Jan 1998, Douglas Bates wrote: I'm not sure if this is a problem with the superformat program from the fdutils package or with malloc under libc6 or with my kernel but I get errors from superformat saying it cannot allocate memory when there is a lot of memory available. bash-2.01$ superformat -d /dev/fd0 Formatting cylinder 0, head 0 format: Cannot allocate memory bash-2.01$ cat /proc/meminfo total:used:free: shared: buffers: cached: Mem: 130924544 126173184 4751360 24453120 55037952 37212160 Swap: 10692198420480 106901504 MemTotal:127856 kB MemFree: 4640 kB MemShared:23880 kB Buffers: 53748 kB Cached: 36340 kB SwapTotal: 104416 kB SwapFree:104396 kB Am I misinterpreting that error message? I have the 5.2pl4-2 fdutils package installed, a 2.0.33 kernel, and libc6 version 2.0.6-3 on a hamm system. Other programs don't seem to have problems with memory allocation. FWIW, I don't get this error (same packages installed). Thanks for checking. It seems to have been a transitory problem with the floppy device /dev/fd0. Other programs began to encounter problems with it so I rebooted. This problem has not recurred. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Why is debian more of a learning curve than Redhat???
On Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 12:29:47PM -0500, David E. Scott wrote: Remco Blaakmeer wrote: Agreed. chuckle, but I'm not so sure the Win95 install wizard could be characterized as brain-dead at least not in comparison to the truly brain-dead installations in Win 3.1 from 3d party suppliers especially, and sometimes even from 3d party suppliers in Win 95/NT. I guess there's a good deal of comfort level in those newer installers that do it all and even warn you and give you the option of replacing or keeping a newer DLL it finds already installed. (Similar in concept, I suppose, to the dependency checks Debian does?) But you never now if you are safe to replace or keep it, are you? The dll's are somewhat similar to linux shared libraries, but in Linux the shared libraries are more consequently used. BTW, the new Mac-based Office 98 from Microsoft offers the most simple install - there are no extensions required - all you do to install is drag the Office 98 folder from the CD to the Hard Drive and you're done!! Now *that's* the way all software *should* be installed. I'd *love* to see a fully windows-based linux that allowed installations that simple (and reliable). Just Drag and Drop - and yer done. This won't work, because Linux does run on many platforms under many displays, under many network configurations and so on. You have to differ between user installation and system wide integration. You have to care about shared filesystems and many other things. Windows installation software can make many assumptions that are not true in an unix environment. Therefore it is easier to automate an installation of windows, but it is also easier to break it ;) Well, Debian is not much different. It's just that first-time users get overwhelmed (sp?) by the huge list of packages dselect shows them. That's something you'll have to get used to until deity is released. 'deity'? now there's a new one on me. where can i find out more about it? i agree, i'm overwhelmed (sp ok) by the huge deselect list of packages. Perhaps that's why i found RedHat easier to understand: there was a simple check list: if you want such and such a function or program feature, just check the box and run, or check the install all box and just sit back - no dependency errors - it just does the install. deity will have something like this, but it is currently under development. The GUI works somewhat, but you can't use it for installation right now. It is under project/experimental at the ftp server. When I tried selecting all in a debian 1.3.1 install, I got tons of dependency error messages - making me very unconfidant (sp?) that debian knew what it was doing. If you try to install all from a Debian CD, I would be very unconfident that *you* know what you are doing ;) You should first just install the standard packages (those are selected automagically). Just go directly to install, do not select more packages. Then, if you have this done, install a few packages at the same time. Then you will more easily understand, why certain packages conflict. Debian provides somezimes options, that conflict each other. It does not make sense to want both packages installed, then. The whereis command is called locate. It reads a database that is updated daily if you leave the computer turned on and/or if you have installed the anacron package. You can also use which program if you want to know, which version of a program gets started. If you have the same binary under /usr/bin and /usr/bin/local, you can check with which, which of those will be executed with your current PATH setting (earlier PATH's get searched earlier). So THAT's why I was getting the message that the locate database was over 8 days old. Later I found about the updatedb command, but it didn't seem to work. Thanks for the anacron information, I'll look into that: I suspect that allows one to keep the locate/db up to date even if one's machine isn't turned on all the time (this Pentium II/233 is so new and generates more heat than my previous 486 that I don't trust it yet leaving it on 24x7. In addition, the cat would spend all her time on top of the monitor G) Yes, exactly. Just install anacron, and you are done. It is quite easy, but you shouldn't be surprised if the machine is working hard ten minutes after booting. Then it tries to catch up with all the databases and log files. It takes probably up to ten minutes. To configure less to be more useful, you can set some environment variables. If you like them, place the commands to set them in /etc/profile and they will be set every time you log in. These are the commands: So *that's* where I stash my environment setups. Thanks again for the tips !! Not exactly. /etc/profile is for *system wide* configuration (every user will have those variable settings). If you only want to configure your account, you should use ~/.bash_profile The dotted file is hidden -
Re: fdformat
On Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 11:34:12AM +0200, Catalin Popescu wrote: Hi to everyone, Just a small and stupid question. How can I format floppies under Debian? I've tried fdformat /dev/fd0H1440 (which used to work with Slackware) but it doesn't work with Debian. What am I missing? What goes wrong? Adam Klein -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian max file size is 1GB instead of 2GB?
On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Krzysztof Adamski wrote: Well, lets see: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /dev/zero xxx cat: write error: File too large [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l xxx -rw-r--r-- 1 kadamski users2147482624 Jan 25 12:02 xxx [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /proc/version Linux version 2.0.33 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.7.2.1) #6 Sun Dec 28 23:08:15 EST 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ df . Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on /dev/sda23966376 2813561 947608 75% / I remember doing this in 2.0.29 and getting only 1G for files, so something changed in the newer kernel. Krzysztof I don't think it is the kernel (unless, it's due to a specific configuration option in the kernel?) I tried it on 2.0.33 and 2.1.78, same result on both: lilu# ls -l xxx -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1073741824 Jan 25 15:36 xxx lili# uname -a Linux lili.eecs.umich.edu 2.1.78 #1 Wed Jan 21 06:44:08 EST 1998 i686 unknown Does anyone have any ideas on what the issue is and how to fix the problem for those of us stuck at the 1GB limit? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
SiS 6205
Hi! Does anybody know how to get the SiS SG86C205 (aka 6205) working with X-Window? It isn't listed in the 'cards' list... TIA! Salutacions, Pere __o mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2:343/108.91 - _`\;_ http://casal.upc.es/~pere/ PGP key available --- (_)/ (_)Lo importante es el concepto -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Installation Question (IBM TP 560)
Tommi Kaariainen wrote: I don't know, however as far as I know putting the Linux Loader (lilo) to the boot block of the Linux root partition (the logical partition i this case) shouldn't break anything. Tommi, That's really interesting: putting LILO in the boot block of the Linux root partition. I understood that LILO would allow you to boot into various partitions, like the IBM Boot Manager does. When I was in IBM Systems Programming, it was useful to follow the sequence of events from the label record to the Volume Table of Contents (VTOC) and from there into the specific file you're looking for. Perhaps it would be useful to clarify the sequence of events here. According to the Partition Magic documentation, there is a Master Boot Record at the beginning of the drive which consists of a master boot program and partition table. Then for each bootable partition there is a partition boot record as well. So if I install the IBM Boot Manager in its own partition at the top of the drive, then it would seem logical that the system would first go to the first sector on the drive, find out there is a boot manager partition and go there, display the menu selection and then after input go to the selected partition where it presumably finds a partition boot record which presumably tells it where the first program is for loading that operating system. So if LILO is installed, it would appear that it might override the Boot Manager, but where is it installed and how does it control the sequence of events? If it overrides the IBM Boot Manager, which it seems to do, then one or more of the non-linux partitions would not be accessable. In my case when I let RedHat use LILO, I lost the ability to boot into my Win95 partition until I used the DOS boot diskette and gave the fdisk /mbr command. However, it would be nice to be able to boot into 1. first partition: Win 95 2. second partition: Win 3.1 and 3. first logical partition in an extended partition: Linux. Dave -- --David E. Scott Ohio Administrative Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: wmaker_0.12.3-0.4 install scripts ...
P.S. Is anyone running hamm Ddebian with the wmaker_0.12* and has a working asmail docked? I can get the 'noMail icon in the dock, but the asmail won't start unless it creates additional window...Any solutions? BTW, I run the asmail package from hamm/hamm/mail... Nope but I am running wmmail :-) It's prettier anyway and docks nicely. I found a copy at http://www-ug.eecg.toronto.edu/~chanb/wmmail.html I compiled painlessly, and installed the same. Adam. Internet Alaska - 4050 Lake Otis Adam Shand(v) +1 907 562 4638 Anchorage, AlaskaSystems Administrator (f) +1 907 562 1677 - http://larry.earthlight.co.nz -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
X locking up
To All X users, I am a new user of Debian Linux and installed version 1.3 with Xfree86. I run through the XF86Config and it sets all of the hardware settings, and then previews what the Xwindow will look like before saving the config file. When I run using startx, xinit, or xdm, I get an error 111, can not find fonts, and giving up message or it will completely lock up the system, blinking the screen several times. My config: Matrox Millinium 2mb Intel P166 80 MB Ram Win 95 (Original ) on the 1st 1/2 of the HD Illayma Vision Master Pro 17 Monitor Any suggestons? I've re-installed the OS 2X, and re-installed X 2X using Dselect. Scott Ball James Scott Ball Office:(419) 372-9968 Captain, U.S. Army Secretary: (419) 372-2476 Assistant Professor, Military Science Fax: (419) 372-0133 Bowling Green State University E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bowling Green, OH 43403-0273 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: applix 4.3 install question
Here's the catch... when I try to run applix I get an error saying that there aren't any languages installed. I assume there is some kind of postinstall script in the rpms that was lost in the conversion - anybody know what will fix this? I did the exact same thing and it worked for me... below are the packages I have installed and it seems to work okay for me (note I didn't make symlinks because I had enough space though): badger(larry) dpkg -l | grep applix ii applix 4.3-2 A Complete X-Window-based Office Suite ii applix-clipart 4.3-2 Applixware Clip Art ii applix-dict-bri 4.3-2 British English dictionary and ii applix-english 4.3-2 Applixware Menus and Help in English ii applix-libs 4.3-2 libc.so.5.3.12 and c++ libs for systems Adam. Internet Alaska - 4050 Lake Otis Adam Shand(v) +1 907 562 4638 Anchorage, AlaskaSystems Administrator (f) +1 907 562 1677 - http://larry.earthlight.co.nz -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Dselect
Hi There Does anyone know how to reinstall a program without purging the program then reinstalling it Other words trying to force reinstall using dpkg.. . Thanks Steve Koop: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: superformat having problems allocating memory?
Douglas Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 25 Jan 1998, Douglas Bates wrote: I'm not sure if this is a problem with the superformat program from the fdutils package or with malloc under libc6 or with my kernel but I get errors from superformat saying it cannot allocate memory when there is a lot of memory available. bash-2.01$ superformat -d /dev/fd0 Formatting cylinder 0, head 0 format: Cannot allocate memory bash-2.01$ cat /proc/meminfo total:used:free: shared: buffers: cached: Mem: 130924544 126173184 4751360 24453120 55037952 37212160 Swap: 10692198420480 106901504 MemTotal:127856 kB MemFree: 4640 kB MemShared:23880 kB Buffers: 53748 kB Cached: 36340 kB SwapTotal: 104416 kB SwapFree:104396 kB Am I misinterpreting that error message? I have the 5.2pl4-2 fdutils package installed, a 2.0.33 kernel, and libc6 version 2.0.6-3 on a hamm system. Other programs don't seem to have problems with memory allocation. It seems to have been a transitory problem with the floppy device /dev/fd0. Other programs began to encounter problems with it so I rebooted. This problem has not recurred. I wrote too soon. The problem did recur. bash-2.01$ superformat -v 1 -d /dev/fd0 fdmount cp -a /var/tmp/fd0/* /fd0 fdumount sync .format: Cannot allocate memory The errors reported to /var/adm/messages look like floppy0: data CRC error: track 52, head 1, sector 16, size 2 floppy0: data CRC error: track 52, head 1, sector 16, size 2 end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00, sector 1905 Any suggestions what might be going on? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: uucico invoked by uudaemon.hr
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Catalin Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a leafsite, having an uucp connection for e-mail via a smart-host. Each time I invoke uucico from the command prompt ie /usr/lib/uucp/uucico -S systemname -x 2 I get a good connection an e-mail is transfered. So that's setup OK. Are you doing that as root? When uucico is invoked by the uudaemon.hr (I've mentioned an entry in /etc/uucp/Poll) I get a No login defined message. Check the permissions in /etc/uucp on all files, they should be readable by uucp. Mike. -- Miquel van Smoorenburg | The dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac lay in his bed [EMAIL PROTECTED] | awake all night wondering if there is a doG -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Installation Question (IBM TP 560)
David E. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's really interesting: putting LILO in the boot block of the Linux root partition. I understood that LILO would allow you to boot into various partitions, like the IBM Boot Manager does. When I was in IBM Systems Programming, it was useful to follow the sequence of events from the label record to the Volume Table of Contents (VTOC) and from there into the specific file you're looking for. Perhaps it would be useful to clarify the sequence of events here. According to the Partition Magic documentation, there is a Master Boot Record at the beginning of the drive which consists of a master boot program and partition table. Then for each bootable partition there is a partition boot record as well. So if I install the IBM Boot Manager in its own partition at the top of the drive, then it would seem logical that the system would first go to the first sector on the drive, find out there is a boot manager partition and go there, display the menu selection and then after input go to the selected partition where it presumably finds a partition boot record which presumably tells it where the first program is for loading that operating system. LILO can be installed to override the Boot Manager (if it's installed on the MBR), but it can also be installed to be started by something other (when installed on the boot block of the Linux partition). The sequence of events in my machine is like this: 1. The Master Boot Record (modified by OS/2 Boot Manager) of the hard disk is read and executed. 2. The MBR starts Boot Manager 3. The user tells the Boot Manager to boot from the Linux partition. 4. The Boot Manager starts LILO boot loader on the boot block of the Linux partition. 5. LILO starts Linux /Tommi Kääriäinen/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Why is debian more of a learning curve than Redhat???
Marcus Brinkmann wrote: But you never now if you are safe to replace or keep it, are you? True enough, but the safer option is to not allow the installer put in the older version. That way if the software I'm testing doesn't run, I can trash it. However if I had let the installer go ahead and replace the older DLL, and if then my Windows system didn't run after reboot, I'd be in big trouble. :) I'd *love* to see a fully windows-based linux that allowed installations that simple (and reliable). Just Drag and Drop - and yer done. This won't work, because Linux does run on many platforms under many displays, under many network configurations and so on. Well, since in the case of the Mac System Folder Drag and Drop, the system knows which sub folder(s) to put the new file(s), I should think it would be possible to extend that concept to automatic dpkg-equivalent run and automatic dependency checks. If a system/platform/configuration isn't a GUI, then perhaps an automatic installer that was triggered by something like copy a:*.* c:*.* would be an interesting idea. You have to differ between user installation and system wide integration. You have to care about shared filesystems and many other things. Windows installation software can make many assumptions that are not true in an unix environment. Therefore it is easier to automate an installation of windows, but it is also easier to break it ;) Perhaps like the RedHad system, all those assumptions could be made ahead of time (with more limited functionality initially). Then if you add additional packages later, perhaps there could be a command (if there isn't one already) that would do a pre-scan for dependencies and set up an install script that would make the best guess for what to do to eliminate them. Then running that script would both eliminate the dependencies and install the desired package. ?? If you try to install all from a Debian CD, I would be very unconfident that *you* know what you are doing ;) chuckle You should first just install the standard packages (those are selected automagically). Just go directly to install, do not select more packages. Good point. I'll take that route next time. Thanks for the suggestion. You can also use which program if you want to know, which version of a program gets started. If you have the same binary under /usr/bin and /usr/bin/local, you can check with which, which of those will be executed with your current PATH setting (earlier PATH's get searched earlier). Cool, but that command doesn't appear in the Linux Man book I have. I have the 2nd edition. Is that specific to either RedHat or Debian, or is it one of the newer commands? Yes, exactly. Just install anacron, and you are done. It is quite easy, That also isn't documented in the man book I have. Is it also one of the newer commands? Not exactly. /etc/profile is for *system wide* configuration (every user will have those variable settings). If you only want to configure your account, you should use ~/.bash_profile The dotted file is hidden - try ls -a ~ to see it. Thanks for the specification of the difference and the command to see it. :) You will probably see that you never need hex dump of files. I thought I would need it, too (look at the od program), but I soon found out that I can do everything with my text editor or standard unix tools. Just the same, it's nice to know there is that option. Now I have another bookmark in my Man book - at the OD page. :) Thanks !! Perhaps it was Xemacs. Emacs is a world for itself ;) I just checked the CD case: yup, you're right. Look at the LDP project (sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/doc/LDP or so). they have a user guide. gzipped and not readable in a browser. An interesting situation: the documentation for installing Linux is most easily available if you already have Linux installed. :) You are welcome, but it is a long way 'til you find out that it is not easy to make things easy ;) (There are a lot of special needs to care about). I know it's not easy, Marcus. But that's what makes it worth doing, I think Dave -- --David E. Scott Ohio Administrative Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Out of ideas with ppp
Hi,
I've been trying to get PPP to work by following the PPP How-To. I
called my ISP and got the required info. When I asked about PAP they
didn't seem to know what I was talking about. So, I assume they don't
use PAP.
I have an external Zoom K56 flex modem connected to ttyS1 and it seems
to work. I called the UNIX box at my college and connected, checked
e-mail etc. using minicom. And seeing that the modem was working I went
on to tackle PPP...
I call up my ISP using minicom and get:
Connect NAS45ATL-N line 3
User Access Verification
Username:
Password:
I enter the required info. and get:
Entering PPP mode
Async interface address is unnumbered(Ethernet 0)
Your IP address (dynamically assigned so different each time) MTU is
1500 bytes
I then get the garbage talked about in the How-To. I exit minicom ^-A Q
and type in:
pppd -d -detach /dev/ttyS1 38400 like the How-To says to. I then
type ifconfig and get:
lo Link encap: Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Bcast:127.255.255.255 Mask 255.0.0.0
UP BROADCAST LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3584 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
In the messages file I see:
CSLIP: code copyright...
PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
PPP: Dynamic channel copyright notice...
PPP line discipline registered.
registered device ppp0
pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0
Using interface ppp0
Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/ttyS1
LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
Connection terminated.
Exit.
In the ppp.log file I see:
pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0
Using interface ppp0
Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/ttyS1
{ Then a whole bunch of sent and rcvd LCP pairs}
{ Then a whole bunch of 1 sent 2 rcvd tripples}
LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
Connection terminated.
Exit.
I added lcp-max-configure 30 to my ppp options file. Before I did that
the connection would terminate in a hurry. Now it at least stays
connected for a few seconds, not that does any good...
So, anyone got any ideas. I'm at a loss as what do do now.
BTW- I have kernal 2.0.29
Thanks,
Jeff...
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Re: Installation Question (IBM TP 560)
Tommi Kaariainen wrote: The sequence of events in my machine is like this: 1. The Master Boot Record (modified by OS/2 Boot Manager) of the hard disk is read and executed. 2. The MBR starts Boot Manager 3. The user tells the Boot Manager to boot from the Linux partition. 4. The Boot Manager starts LILO boot loader on the boot block of the Linux partition. 5. LILO starts Linux Tommi, Now that *does* make sense. However it appears that one should not allow RedHat or debian to install LILO as part of their automated process -- better to run some program to install LILO specifically in the boot block of the Linux partition, correct? Dave -- --David E. Scott Ohio Administrative Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Why is debian more of a learning curve than Redhat???
Adrian Bridgett wrote: Let's compare like with like. To install a program on windows you double click it and then keep clicking on next. To install a program on Debian you type dpkg -i filename. Dselect is not the installer, it is the package selection tool. It shows you a list of program which you have access to and can install. Adrian, Thanks for the clarification. That's nice to know the specific command for dpkg install. Does that also work out dependencies, or is that a function of dselect once a package has been selected from its list? Thanks, Dave -- --David E. Scott Ohio Administrative Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
NIC card for Debian/Linux
Hi, I'm thinking to get a ethernet card for my PC (PCI) and I'd like to know which is a better supported NIC card for Debian/Linux. I'm interested in getting 10/100 Base-T card. Secondly, please show me how to configure the kernel/software to make use of the NIC card. Thank in advance! -- Timothy C. Phan Intelligence Quest Research, INC. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Installation Question (IBM TP 560)
On 26 Jan 1998 00:06:17 +0200 Tommi Kaariainen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: David E. Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The sequence of events in my machine is like this: 1. The Master Boot Record (modified by OS/2 Boot Manager) of the hard disk is read and executed. 2. The MBR starts Boot Manager 3. The user tells the Boot Manager to boot from the Linux partition. 4. The Boot Manager starts LILO boot loader on the boot block of the Linux partition. 5. LILO starts Linux So can you use (easily) LILO to manage your whole system with 3+ different OSs? That is what I will want to do with it, soon. -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- David Goodwinhttp://www.peak.org/~goodwid Corvallis, Oregon, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Out of ideas with ppp
Jeff Gutliph [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I've been trying to get PPP to work by following the PPP How-To. I called my ISP and got the required info. When I asked about PAP they didn't seem to know what I was talking about. So, I assume they don't use PAP. snip Connect NAS45ATL-N line 3 User Access Verification Username: Password: You seem to have figured out what needs to be done to start up ppp on your ISP - why don't you try the supplied debian pon and poff commands? You need to change /etc/ppp.chatscript to suit your needs, (change the phone number, user name, and password - don't forget to change the ogin to name) and then try pon as root. You can then turn ppp off with poff, and can add any user you want to be able to turn ppp on and off to the dip group. You may want to check that the device listed in /etc/ppp.options_out is correct. (but I think it is /dev/ttyS1 by default) I suspect that the problem you're seeing may be caused by not putting a noipdefault option into the line that starts pppd (I think that the HOWTO assumes that this option is already in the /etc/ppp/options file) - in any case, though, the debian commands are easier, and /etc/ppp.options_out has sensible defaults for most dialup ppp users. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
