wheezy portsentry et/ou iptables
Bonjour, J'ai installé Wheezy et avance dans le paramètrage d'une machine interne qui serait serveur de crm, vsftpd des users locaux et imprimante. Ai réglé portsentry comme préconisé dans le tutos qui disent tous pareil (...). Lorsqu'on scanne la machine 'cat /var/log/syslog | grep portsentry' reste vide '/var/lib/portsentry/portsentry.blocked.*' à blanc. Ca vient des règles de iptables, car après un flush le banissement fonctionne bien. Voici les règles qui font que portsentry reste vide: xxx@debian:/etc/iptables# cat rules.v4 *filter :INPUT DROP [75:7538] :FORWARD DROP [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [285:58767] -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.0/8 -d 127.0.0.0/8 -i lo -j ACCEPT En avançant dans les règlages je vais ouvrir certains ports mais comment imbriquer iptables et portsentry ou se passer du second (bretelles +ceinture), ou Quelqu'un saurait-il me conseiller? -- autre question : le fichier rules.v4 comporte ces règles, mais rules.v6 est vide est-ce un problème? Bonne journée! ralf -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1343906877.4396.4.camel@debian.localdomain
Re: [ webcam] microsoft lifecam hd 5000
Le mardi 31 juillet 2012 à 22:58:01, frederic zulian a écrit : Bonjour, ’soir, […] Pour cette webcam, aucune idée… pour arriver ici : http://git.linuxtv.org/media_build.git Entre mon anglais directement venu du lycée, il y a quelques décennies, et mon niveau fuck end user je ne comprends pas les explications données. Une idée ? – installe les en-têtes du noyau (et gcc, make, etc.) – récupère et compile les modules media : git clone http://git.linuxtv.org/media_build.git cd media_build ./build – en root : make install – redémarre et teste… Bon, c’est pas super-propre : ça écrase les modules qui viennent du paquet deb, ce qui veut dire qu’il faudra recommencer manuellement à chaque changement de noyau. Ce serait mieux d’avoir les sources complètes du noyau intégrant les dernières versions des pilotes media et de faire soi-même ses paquets de noyau complets… -- Sylvain Sauvage -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201208022037.09230.sylvain.l.sauv...@free.fr
Re: Debian Wheezy et Lenovo
Salut, Le Thu, 02 Aug 2012 07:04:07 +0200 ralf kaiser rsvcakai...@gmail.com a écrit: Bonjour, Peux-tu envoyer un lspci pour voir les composants de la machine? voir pj Comment fonctionnent la mise en veille et l'hibernation avant/après le hack? La mise en veille est ok dans les 2 cas, pas encore testé l'hibernation Quelle est la consommation en watts de la machine (powertop le calcule) - avant et après le hack - avant et après l'ajustement des paramètres (onglet: tunables)? Rien vu de tel dans le rapport de powertop. Par contre les stat de Gnome indique une conso entre 6.5 (quand je ne fais rien) et 10W. (tu peux rétablir les paramètres précédents et comparer les progressions / régressions) Je vais regarder si je ne peux pas faire deux entrées dans grub, pour pouvoir switcher entre les deux. Ce soir la température est plus basse (42°C) ce qui semble correspondre aux valeurs que l'on trouve dans les tests sous Windows. Sinon est-ce que quelqu'un sait comment faire pour que le bluetooth ne soit pas allumé par défaut quand on ouvre la session Gnome ? A+ Gaëtan ralf -- Le jeudi 02 août 2012 à 00:18 +0200, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit : Le Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:38:36 +0200 ralf kaiser rsvcakai...@gmail.com a écrit: Bonsoir Gaëtan, Dans le fichier /etc/default/grub tu as une ligne du type: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= quiet splash Tu peux ouvrir ce fichier sudo nano /etc/default/grub et remplacer cette ligne comme suit: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= acpi_osi=Linux i915.i915_enable_rc6=1 i915.i915_enable_fbc=1 quiet splash Ensuite: sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg pour transmettre au bootloader ces valeurs. reboot et ton portable aura (presque) l'autonomie et la disspitation tehrmique optimisées sous Windows. L'application de ces paramètres est faite par défaut dans le kernel =3.4, donc pas au kernel 3.2 de Wheezy... , Pour les explications approfondies, tu peux faire les recherches sous i915.i915_enable_rc6=1 J'ai un Asus qui comporte un hardware similaire au tien. Ca marche nickel et permet de baisser la chaleur et doubler l'autonomie. Tu peux encore gagner une heure d'autonomie du portable en utilisant sudo powertop lorsque tu es sur batteries. Bonne soirée, ralf Merci pour le tuyau. Ça fonctionne effectivement plutôt pas mal. Par contre je trouve que les températures restent hautes (45°C) par rapport à mon ancien portable (35°C). A+ Gaëtan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1343883847.4296.16.camel@debian.localdomain 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller (rev 09) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 (rev 04) 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 04) 00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #2 (rev 04) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 1 (rev b4) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 2 (rev b4) 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 4 (rev b4) 00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 5 (rev b4) 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 (rev 04) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation QM67 Express Chipset Family LPC Controller (rev 04) 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family 6 port SATA AHCI Controller (rev 04) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller (rev 04) 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 (rev 34) 0d:00.0 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd PCIe SDXC/MMC Host Controller (rev 08)
Re: Debian Wheezy et Lenovo
Le Thu, 02 Aug 2012 07:04:07 +0200 ralf kaiser rsvcakai...@gmail.com a écrit: Comment fonctionnent la mise en veille et l'hibernation après le hack? L'hibernation ne fonctionne pas. Ça se contente de locker l'écran et c'est tout ... A+ Gaëtan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120802233612.f4df9b10c14c43a8ab0f4...@neuf.fr
Re: Debian Wheezy et Lenovo
Les deux portables différent par la caméra et le wifi, le reste est identique sf le numéro de révision () Eventuellement tu peux faire un update-pciids qui met à jour la base de données pci, chercher des firmwares qui correspondent aux périphériques (activer les depôts non-free)? lsusb pour identifier la puce bluetooth - pour le désactiver il y a une icône dans les paramètres système ralf Le jeudi 02 août 2012 à 22:19 +0200, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit : Salut, Le Thu, 02 Aug 2012 07:04:07 +0200 ralf kaiser rsvcakai...@gmail.com a écrit: Bonjour, Peux-tu envoyer un lspci pour voir les composants de la machine? voir pj Comment fonctionnent la mise en veille et l'hibernation avant/après le hack? La mise en veille est ok dans les 2 cas, pas encore testé l'hibernation Quelle est la consommation en watts de la machine (powertop le calcule) - avant et après le hack - avant et après l'ajustement des paramètres (onglet: tunables)? Rien vu de tel dans le rapport de powertop. Par contre les stat de Gnome indique une conso entre 6.5 (quand je ne fais rien) et 10W. (tu peux rétablir les paramètres précédents et comparer les progressions / régressions) Je vais regarder si je ne peux pas faire deux entrées dans grub, pour pouvoir switcher entre les deux. Ce soir la température est plus basse (42°C) ce qui semble correspondre aux valeurs que l'on trouve dans les tests sous Windows. Sinon est-ce que quelqu'un sait comment faire pour que le bluetooth ne soit pas allumé par défaut quand on ouvre la session Gnome ? A+ Gaëtan ralf -- Le jeudi 02 août 2012 à 00:18 +0200, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit : Le Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:38:36 +0200 ralf kaiser rsvcakai...@gmail.com a écrit: Bonsoir Gaëtan, Dans le fichier /etc/default/grub tu as une ligne du type: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= quiet splash Tu peux ouvrir ce fichier sudo nano /etc/default/grub et remplacer cette ligne comme suit: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= acpi_osi=Linux i915.i915_enable_rc6=1 i915.i915_enable_fbc=1 quiet splash Ensuite: sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg pour transmettre au bootloader ces valeurs. reboot et ton portable aura (presque) l'autonomie et la disspitation tehrmique optimisées sous Windows. L'application de ces paramètres est faite par défaut dans le kernel =3.4, donc pas au kernel 3.2 de Wheezy... , Pour les explications approfondies, tu peux faire les recherches sous i915.i915_enable_rc6=1 J'ai un Asus qui comporte un hardware similaire au tien. Ca marche nickel et permet de baisser la chaleur et doubler l'autonomie. Tu peux encore gagner une heure d'autonomie du portable en utilisant sudo powertop lorsque tu es sur batteries. Bonne soirée, ralf Merci pour le tuyau. Ça fonctionne effectivement plutôt pas mal. Par contre je trouve que les températures restent hautes (45°C) par rapport à mon ancien portable (35°C). A+ Gaëtan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1343883847.4296.16.camel@debian.localdomain -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1343949252.4680.27.camel@debian.localdomain
Re: Debian Wheezy et Lenovo
Le Fri, 03 Aug 2012 01:14:12 +0200 ralf kaiser rsvcakai...@gmail.com a écrit: Les deux portables différent par la caméra et le wifi, le reste est identique sf le numéro de révision () Eventuellement tu peux faire un update-pciids qui met à jour la base de données pci, chercher des firmwares qui correspondent aux périphériques (activer les depôts non-free)? ça c'est déjà fait. Normalement tout les périph sont fonctionnels. lsusb pour identifier la puce bluetooth - pour le désactiver il y a une icône dans les paramètres système j'ai rajouté echo disable /proc/acpi/ibm/bluetooth dans /etc/rc.local et ça règle le problème. Avec les paramètres systèmes de Gnome le réglage n'est pas conservé sur un reboot. J'ai aussi enlevé le acpi_osi=Linux, ça fonctionne un peu mieux sans. En non fonctionnel j'ai le bouton mute micro, l'hibernation et l'extinction qui provoque un redémarrage à la place ... Merci. A+ Gaëtan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120803013104.856ef85f96693644da7e7...@neuf.fr
Re: Debian Wheezy et Lenovo
Le Fri, 3 Aug 2012 01:31:04 +0200 Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr a écrit: Le Fri, 03 Aug 2012 01:14:12 +0200 ralf kaiser rsvcakai...@gmail.com a écrit: Les deux portables différent par la caméra et le wifi, le reste est identique sf le numéro de révision () Eventuellement tu peux faire un update-pciids qui met à jour la base de données pci, chercher des firmwares qui correspondent aux périphériques (activer les depôts non-free)? ça c'est déjà fait. Normalement tout les périph sont fonctionnels. lsusb pour identifier la puce bluetooth - pour le désactiver il y a une icône dans les paramètres système j'ai rajouté echo disable /proc/acpi/ibm/bluetooth dans /etc/rc.local et ça règle le problème. Avec les paramètres systèmes de Gnome le réglage n'est pas conservé sur un reboot. J'ai aussi enlevé le acpi_osi=Linux, ça fonctionne un peu mieux sans. En non fonctionnel j'ai le bouton mute micro, l'hibernation et l'extinction qui provoque un redémarrage à la place ... Pour l'extinction je précise que c'est quand je suis sur batteries car quand j'ai le chargeur il s'éteint correctement. GAëtan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120803013414.21729481aa06ac2f35497...@neuf.fr
Re: Reescaneo de dispositivos scsi sin reiniciar
El mié, 01-08-2012 a las 15:14 +0200, Esteban Torres Rodríguez escribió:
El día 1 de agosto de 2012 14:44, Trujillo Carmona, Antonio
antonio.trujillo.s...@juntadeandalucia.es escribió:
El mié, 01-08-2012 a las 13:51 +0200, Esteban Torres Rodríguez escribió:
El día 1 de agosto de 2012 13:49, Esteban Torres Rodríguez
mortenol.tor...@gmail.com escribió:
Buenas,
Tengo algunos servidores virtuales con vmware server y siempre tengo
el mismo problema cuando doy algún disco a estos servidores.
No tengo un procedimiento que me funcione en todos los servidores,
excepto reiniciar.
He probado estas opciones:
http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/vmware-add-a-new-hard-disk-without-rebooting-guest.html
y en algunas máquinas me funciona y en otras no.
También he probado con este script:
http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/#rescan-scsi
y me pasa igual, en algunas si y en otras no.
Lo único que me ha funcionado en todas es el reinicio.
http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/vmware-add-a-new-hard-disk-without-rebooting-guest.html
Por que?
Perdón, se me olvidaba.
cuando hago un lsscsi veo el disco y en el dmes me aparece también el
disco:
sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk
Pero con el fdisk -l no me aparece y no puedo darle formato.
Como se trata de discos que has añadido con el vmware saves su numero de
dispositivo, por lo que puedes re-scanearlo con
echo - - - /sys/class/scsi_host/host#/scan
y posteriormente añadirlo con:
echo scsi add-single-device x x x x /proc/scsi/scsi
Ten en cuenta que en Vmware tienes dos opciones para añadir discos, la
primera, y mas simple, es añadir el disco al controlador que ya esta en
uso, y otra la de añadir un nuevo controlador scsi y un disco nuevo en
ese controlador, eso cambia la nomenclatura del disco.
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Esta es la salida de lsscsi:
[0:0:0:0]diskVMware Virtual disk 1.0 /dev/sda
[0:0:1:0]diskVMware Virtual disk 1.0 /dev/sdb
[1:0:0:0]cd/dvd NECVMWar VMware IDE CDR00 1.00 /dev/sr0
Intento añadirlo:
echo scsi add-single-device 0 0 1 0/proc/scsi/scsi
Y nada Igual. El fdisk -l solo me detecta el /dev/sda
Esto lo he hecho con una maquina virtual limpia con vmware ESX:
Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
Last login: Thu Aug 2 08:22:26 2012
root@debian-32-sistemas:~# lsscsi
[1:0:0:0]cd/dvd NECVMWar VMware IDE CDR10 1.00 /dev/sr0
[2:0:0:0]diskVMware Virtual disk 1.0 /dev/sda
root@debian-32-sistemas:~# echo scsi add-single-device 2 0 1
0/proc/scsi/scsi
root@debian-32-sistemas:~# lsscsi
[1:0:0:0]cd/dvd NECVMWar VMware IDE CDR10 1.00 /dev/sr0
[2:0:0:0]diskVMware Virtual disk 1.0 /dev/sda
[2:0:1:0]diskVMware Virtual disk 1.0 /dev/sdb
root@debian-32-sistemas:~# fdisk /dev/sdb
El dispositivo no contiene una tabla de particiones DOS válida ni una
etiqueta de disco Sun o SGI o OSF
Building a new DOS disklabel with disk identifier 0xfa3eb021.
Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them.
After that, of course, the previous content won't be recoverable.
Atención: el indicador 0x inválido de la tabla de particiones 4 se
corregirá mediante w(rite)
WARNING: DOS-compatible mode is deprecated. It's strongly recommended to
switch off the mode (command 'c') and change display units to
sectors (command 'u').
Orden (m para obtener ayuda): n
Acción de la orden
e Partición extendida
p Partición primaria (1-4)
p
Número de partición (1-4): 1
Primer cilindro (1-1044, valor predeterminado 1):
Se está utilizando el valor predeterminado 1
Last cilindro, +cilindros or +size{K,M,G} (1-1044, valor predeterminado
1044):
Se está utilizando el valor predeterminado 1044
Orden (m para obtener ayuda):
Orden (m para obtener ayuda): p
Disco /dev/sdb: 8589 MB, 8589934592 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1044 cylinders
Units = cilindros of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xfa3eb021
Disposit. InicioComienzo Fin Bloques Id Sistema
/dev/sdb1 11044 8385898+ 83 Linux
Orden (m para obtener ayuda): w
¡Se ha modificado la tabla de particiones!
Llamando a ioctl() para volver a leer la tabla de particiones.
Se están sincronizando los discos.
root@debian-32-sistemas:~#
root@debian-32-sistemas:~# fdisk -l /dev/sdb
Disco /dev/sdb: 8589 MB, 8589934592 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1044 cylinders
Units =
Re: Reescaneo de dispositivos scsi sin reiniciar
El día 2 de agosto de 2012 08:27, Trujillo Carmona, Antonio
antonio.trujillo.s...@juntadeandalucia.es escribió:
El mié, 01-08-2012 a las 15:14 +0200, Esteban Torres Rodríguez escribió:
El día 1 de agosto de 2012 14:44, Trujillo Carmona, Antonio
antonio.trujillo.s...@juntadeandalucia.es escribió:
El mié, 01-08-2012 a las 13:51 +0200, Esteban Torres Rodríguez escribió:
El día 1 de agosto de 2012 13:49, Esteban Torres Rodríguez
mortenol.tor...@gmail.com escribió:
Buenas,
Tengo algunos servidores virtuales con vmware server y siempre tengo
el mismo problema cuando doy algún disco a estos servidores.
No tengo un procedimiento que me funcione en todos los servidores,
excepto reiniciar.
He probado estas opciones:
http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/vmware-add-a-new-hard-disk-without-rebooting-guest.html
y en algunas máquinas me funciona y en otras no.
También he probado con este script:
http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/#rescan-scsi
y me pasa igual, en algunas si y en otras no.
Lo único que me ha funcionado en todas es el reinicio.
http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/vmware-add-a-new-hard-disk-without-rebooting-guest.html
Por que?
Perdón, se me olvidaba.
cuando hago un lsscsi veo el disco y en el dmes me aparece también el
disco:
sd 0:0:1:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk
Pero con el fdisk -l no me aparece y no puedo darle formato.
Como se trata de discos que has añadido con el vmware saves su numero de
dispositivo, por lo que puedes re-scanearlo con
echo - - - /sys/class/scsi_host/host#/scan
y posteriormente añadirlo con:
echo scsi add-single-device x x x x /proc/scsi/scsi
Ten en cuenta que en Vmware tienes dos opciones para añadir discos, la
primera, y mas simple, es añadir el disco al controlador que ya esta en
uso, y otra la de añadir un nuevo controlador scsi y un disco nuevo en
ese controlador, eso cambia la nomenclatura del disco.
--
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Esta es la salida de lsscsi:
[0:0:0:0]diskVMware Virtual disk 1.0 /dev/sda
[0:0:1:0]diskVMware Virtual disk 1.0 /dev/sdb
[1:0:0:0]cd/dvd NECVMWar VMware IDE CDR00 1.00 /dev/sr0
Intento añadirlo:
echo scsi add-single-device 0 0 1 0/proc/scsi/scsi
Y nada Igual. El fdisk -l solo me detecta el /dev/sda
Esto lo he hecho con una maquina virtual limpia con vmware ESX:
Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
Last login: Thu Aug 2 08:22:26 2012
root@debian-32-sistemas:~# lsscsi
[1:0:0:0]cd/dvd NECVMWar VMware IDE CDR10 1.00 /dev/sr0
[2:0:0:0]diskVMware Virtual disk 1.0 /dev/sda
root@debian-32-sistemas:~# echo scsi add-single-device 2 0 1
0/proc/scsi/scsi
root@debian-32-sistemas:~# lsscsi
[1:0:0:0]cd/dvd NECVMWar VMware IDE CDR10 1.00 /dev/sr0
[2:0:0:0]diskVMware Virtual disk 1.0 /dev/sda
[2:0:1:0]diskVMware Virtual disk 1.0 /dev/sdb
root@debian-32-sistemas:~# fdisk /dev/sdb
El dispositivo no contiene una tabla de particiones DOS válida ni una
etiqueta de disco Sun o SGI o OSF
Building a new DOS disklabel with disk identifier 0xfa3eb021.
Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them.
After that, of course, the previous content won't be recoverable.
Atención: el indicador 0x inválido de la tabla de particiones 4 se
corregirá mediante w(rite)
WARNING: DOS-compatible mode is deprecated. It's strongly recommended to
switch off the mode (command 'c') and change display units to
sectors (command 'u').
Orden (m para obtener ayuda): n
Acción de la orden
e Partición extendida
p Partición primaria (1-4)
p
Número de partición (1-4): 1
Primer cilindro (1-1044, valor predeterminado 1):
Se está utilizando el valor predeterminado 1
Last cilindro, +cilindros or +size{K,M,G} (1-1044, valor predeterminado
1044):
Se está utilizando el valor predeterminado 1044
Orden (m para obtener ayuda):
Orden (m para obtener ayuda): p
Disco /dev/sdb: 8589 MB, 8589934592 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1044 cylinders
Units = cilindros of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xfa3eb021
Disposit. InicioComienzo Fin Bloques Id Sistema
/dev/sdb1 11044 8385898+ 83 Linux
Orden (m para obtener ayuda): w
¡Se ha modificado la tabla de particiones!
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Re: No puedo conectar a ipsec desde debian squeeze
El 2012-08-01 20:25, Maykel Franco Hernández escribió: El 2012-08-01 17:03, JulHer escribió: El mié, 01-08-2012 a las 16:50 +0200, Maykel Franco Hernández escribió: Es un equipo el cual desconozco, simplemente me han pasado unos parámetros y me dicen que me tengo que poner otra ip como local network en la fase 2 de ipsec, cuando la mayoría de vpn no ha sido necesario cambiar ése valor. El caso es que ni pfsense ni debian me conectan... Me han comentado que hiciera nat, pero debería de estar la ipsec levantada y conectada...ni si quiera conecta, no pasa nunca la fase2... Alguien me puede hechar una mano?? Hombre, pues pon por aquí los datos que te dan para conectar, ofuscando/borrando los sensibles, obviamente, a ver si se ilumina alguna mente, aunque tampoco estaría de más que te dieran algo de soporte en la otra parte del túnel. Yo suelo usar para las conexiones IPsec vpnc, que se habla con los Cisco (que son algo raritos) y no conozco racoon, pero seguro que tiene alguna opción para aumentar el nivel de log y sacar más pistas. Un saludo JulHer Gracias por contestar. Con el IPsec vpnc te permite ponerte en la segunda fase de ipsec el local network diferente de la interface lan?? Un poco más de pistas con debugeo: 2012-08-02 10:24:11: DEBUG: 92 bytes message received from 213.144.48.21[500] to 91.146.136.170[500] 2012-08-02 10:24:11: [213.144.48.21] ERROR: unknown Informational exchange received. 2012-08-02 10:24:16: DEBUG: 92 bytes message received from 213.144.48.21[500] to 91.146.136.170[500] 2012-08-02 10:24:16: [213.144.48.21] ERROR: unknown Informational exchange received. 2012-08-02 10:24:21: DEBUG: 92 bytes message received from 213.144.48.21[500] to 91.146.136.170[500] 2012-08-02 10:24:21: [213.144.48.21] ERROR: unknown Informational exchange received. 2012-08-02 10:24:26: DEBUG: 92 bytes message received from 213.144.48.21[500] to 91.146.136.170[500] 2012-08-02 10:24:26: [213.144.48.21] ERROR: unknown Informational exchange received. Eso devuelve. Estoy buscando el error pero no tengo nada claro. Haber si a alguien le suena... Saludos y gracias. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/45240cc14655508f1a9e4d7189c58...@maykel.sytes.net
Re: Reescaneo de dispositivos scsi sin reiniciar
On Thursday 02 August 2012 10:22:30 Esteban Torres Rodríguez wrote: Salida del fdisk después de seguir tus mismos pasos: fdisk /dev/sdb No se puede leer /dev/sdb Nada que me toca quedarme a horas que nadie curra y reiniciar el server. Esta vida del informático no está pagada Quizas te sirva: # at midnight at reboot at EOT job 2 at Fri Aug 3 00:00:00 2012 # Después de reboot, presiona ctrl-D (no ctrl-C) Así a medianoche (o cuando quieras), se reiniciará solo. -- Marc Olivé Blau Advisors www.blauadvisors.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Reescaneo de dispositivos scsi sin reiniciar
El día 2 de agosto de 2012 10:29, Marc Olive marc.ol...@blauadvisors.com escribió: On Thursday 02 August 2012 10:22:30 Esteban Torres Rodríguez wrote: Salida del fdisk después de seguir tus mismos pasos: fdisk /dev/sdb No se puede leer /dev/sdb Nada que me toca quedarme a horas que nadie curra y reiniciar el server. Esta vida del informático no está pagada Quizas te sirva: # at midnight at reboot at EOT job 2 at Fri Aug 3 00:00:00 2012 # Después de reboot, presiona ctrl-D (no ctrl-C) Así a medianoche (o cuando quieras), se reiniciará solo. -- Marc Olivé Blau Advisors www.blauadvisors.com Gracias Marc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ca+fbnvitytsp5_8rs_qtzn6wkqjagb8r6ttg+sokhp95eu9...@mail.gmail.com
Re: No puedo conectar a ipsec desde debian squeeze
El jue, 02-08-2012 a las 10:28 +0200, Maykel Franco Hernández escribió: 2012-08-02 10:24:26: [213.144.48.21] ERROR: unknown Informational exchange received. Eso devuelve. Estoy buscando el error pero no tengo nada claro. Haber si a alguien le suena... Con ese error hay unmontón de enlaces en google... y por lo que he visto varios relacionados con equipos Cisco. Quizás haya que aumentar el nivel de debug para ver algo más. A mi no se me ocurre nada excepto que creo que no se establece la SA, con lo cual ya falla al principio, no creo que tena nada que ver con esa segunda fase y la dirección IP que comentas. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: No puedo conectar a ipsec desde debian squeeze
El jue, 02-08-2012 a las 00:46 +0200, Maykel Franco Hernández escribió: Me refiero a esto: http://maykel.sytes.net/fase2.png En la fase 2, en vez de poner la lan como pone ahí, me sugieren que ponga una ip específica diferente a la de mi lan, con lo cual no conecta. Yo creo, por los logs que mandaste en el otro coreo que no tiene que ver lo de la fase 2 y otra IP... creo que no se llega a establecer el túnel debido a que no se entienden los dos equipos al intercambiar la información para establecer el túnel. No conozco el pfsense que usas para establecer los túneles, pero intenta hacerlo si dispone de alguna opción automática para que acepte lo que le diga el remoto... o deshabilita esa fase 2 a ver si por lo menos el túnel se establece aunque no cumplas lo que te sugieren... por buscar más pistas. Un saludo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
acerca de postfix
hola lista tengo una pequeña duda como puedo enviar un correo a modo global a todos mis usuarios mediante postfix, tengo un servidor con postfix+dovecot y la idea es que en un momento determinado debo informarle a todos mis usuarios de correo de alguna noticia referente a cambios en la red hacerlo mediante un correo sin necesidad de escribir cada una de las direcciones, algo parecido al everyone en mdaemon. agradecido de antemano por su acostumbrada ayuda __ Información de ESET NOD32 Antivirus, versión de la base de firmas de virus 7295 (20120713) __ ESET NOD32 Antivirus ha comprobado este mensaje. http://www.eset.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/3620369629f44948b6e650afbe580...@cncc.cult.cu
Re: acerca de postfix
bueno siempre puedes acudir al mailman o en un caso mas complicado es crear un buzon y mediante el bcc_sender poner todos los usuarios de tu red para cuando esa cuenta mande un mail le llegue a los demas usuarios El 02/08/12 11:19, Ariel Alvarez escribió: hola lista tengo una pequeña duda como puedo enviar un correo a modo global a todos mis usuarios mediante postfix, tengo un servidor con postfix+dovecot y la idea es que en un momento determinado debo informarle a todos mis usuarios de correo de alguna noticia referente a cambios en la red hacerlo mediante un correo sin necesidad de escribir cada una de las direcciones, algo parecido al everyone en mdaemon. agradecido de antemano por su acostumbrada ayuda __ Información de ESET NOD32 Antivirus, versión de la base de firmas de virus 7295 (20120713) __ ESET NOD32 Antivirus ha comprobado este mensaje. http://www.eset.com
Re: acerca de postfix
2012/8/2 Ariel Alvarez ar...@cncc.cult.cu: hola lista tengo una pequeña duda como puedo enviar un correo a modo global a todos mis usuarios mediante postfix, tengo un servidor con postfix+dovecot y la idea es que en un momento determinado debo informarle a todos mis usuarios de correo de alguna noticia referente a cambios en la red hacerlo mediante un correo sin necesidad de escribir cada una de las direcciones, algo parecido al everyone en mdaemon. Cuentas físicas (usuarios en el equipo), cuentas virtuales, un dominio, varios dominios, etc. El todos es muy complicado de determinar, y como resolverlo también depende de la configuración local. ¿Usas un mapa, consultas ldap, una base de datos, usuarios locales? En general lo puedes resolver con el archivo alias para crear tu lista de distribución simple o usar un programa que se encargue de ello como mailman. -- Saludos, Antonio Galicia -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAGYn=Y177Tu6uap1=TwT_iQ=u0wr9vhm00dbhbnhvvdbbcc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: acerca de postfix
El jue, 02-08-2012 a las 11:19 -0400, Ariel Alvarez escribió: hola lista tengo una pequeña duda como puedo enviar un correo a modo global a todos mis usuarios mediante postfix, tengo un servidor con postfix+dovecot y la idea es que en un momento determinado debo informarle a todos mis usuarios de correo de alguna noticia referente a cambios en la red hacerlo mediante un correo sin necesidad de escribir cada una de las direcciones, algo parecido al everyone en mdaemon. Parece que es una cuestión recurrente con postfix. http://serverfault.com/questions/23717/postfix-how-do-you-redirect-all-emails-to-one-user-eg-example-com-userex http://serverfault.com/questions/214993/postfix-send-mail-to-all-accounts Un saludo JulHer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: acerca de postfix
crea un alias con todos los usuarios que necesites informar - Original Message - From: Javier Santiesteban javi...@gms.minbas.cu To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:45 PM Subject: Re: acerca de postfix bueno siempre puedes acudir al mailman o en un caso mas complicado es crear un buzon y mediante el bcc_sender poner todos los usuarios de tu red para cuando esa cuenta mande un mail le llegue a los demas usuarios El 02/08/12 11:19, Ariel Alvarez escribió: hola lista tengo una pequeña duda como puedo enviar un correo a modo global a todos mis usuarios mediante postfix, tengo un servidor con postfix+dovecot y la idea es que en un momento determinado debo informarle a todos mis usuarios de correo de alguna noticia referente a cambios en la red hacerlo mediante un correo sin necesidad de escribir cada una de las direcciones, algo parecido al everyone en mdaemon. agradecido de antemano por su acostumbrada ayuda __ Información de ESET NOD32 Antivirus, versión de la base de firmas de virus 7295 (20120713) __ ESET NOD32 Antivirus ha comprobado este mensaje. http://www.eset.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/E479A2F036E04B339DEFFAD1EFB736BE@prometeo
Off topic Redireccion de ip
Gente buenas tardes, haber si me pueden dar una manito en uns situacion, tengo una ip fija 200.200.200.0 esta seteada en un router que redirecciona a una pc 192.168.0.20 que tiene dos placas de red una que conecta al router la 192.168.20 y la otra que tiene la uso para entrar a otra red 10.104.0.20, lo que quiero hacer es entrar a una maquina por el puerto 22 que esta en la red 10.104.0.20 por medio de la ip fija 200.200.200.0 que redirecciona a la ip 192.168.0.20, se podra hacer? Estoy medio mareado con esto. Millon de gracias y perdon por el off topic. Saludos! Enviado desde mi BlackBerry de Personal (http://www.personal.com.ar/) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1046163409-1343942137-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1034408177-@b5.c9.bise7.blackberry
Re: Off topic Redireccion de ip
El día 2 de agosto de 2012 18:15, alexissauc...@gmail.com escribió: Gente buenas tardes, haber si me pueden dar una manito en uns situacion, tengo una ip fija 200.200.200.0 esta seteada en un router que redirecciona a una pc 192.168.0.20 que tiene dos placas de red una que conecta al router la 192.168.20 y la otra que tiene la uso para entrar a otra red 10.104.0.20, lo que quiero hacer es entrar a una maquina por el puerto 22 que esta en la red 10.104.0.20 por medio de la ip fija 200.200.200.0 que redirecciona a la ip 192.168.0.20, se podra hacer? Estoy medio mareado con esto. Millon de gracias y perdon por el off topic. Si, con iptables y el NAT
Re: Off topic Redireccion de ip
gracias por responder, alli les va un grafico perdon soy malo con el paint, aca se puede ver que uso una ip estatica 200.200.200.0 que redirecciona a una pc que tiene la ip 192.168.0.20 y una segunda placa que entra a la red 10.104.0.20 y yo quiero llegar por el puerto 22 a la pc que esta en esta ultima red 10.104.0.22 pero no se como hacer el tunel con las iptables. Saludos! El 2 de agosto de 2012 19:28, Yanier Salazar Sanchez yanier.sala...@eleccav.une.cu escribió: De poder todo se puede... pero seria mejor que mostraras en un grafiquito como es tu diagrama -Original Message- From: alexissauc...@gmail.com [mailto:alexissauc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 4:16 PM To: Debian user spanish Subject: Off topic Redireccion de ip Gente buenas tardes, haber si me pueden dar una manito en uns situacion, tengo una ip fija 200.200.200.0 esta seteada en un router que redirecciona a una pc 192.168.0.20 que tiene dos placas de red una que conecta al router la 192.168.20 y la otra que tiene la uso para entrar a otra red 10.104.0.20, lo que quiero hacer es entrar a una maquina por el puerto 22 que esta en la red 10.104.0.20 por medio de la ip fija 200.200.200.0 que redirecciona a la ip 192.168.0.20, se podra hacer? Estoy medio mareado con esto. Millon de gracias y perdon por el off topic. Saludos! Enviado desde mi BlackBerry de Personal (http://www.personal.com.ar/) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1046163409-1343942137-cardhu_decombobulator_blackber ry.rim.net-1034408177-@b5.c9.bise7.blackberry Empresa Eléctrica Provincial Ciego de Avila Ave de los Deportes, esq. Circunvalación Norte Telef: 200708 attachment: grafico.JPG
Kernel panic após compilação.
Pessoal, obrigado pelas respostas, achei a solução, agora meu singelo notebook está bala. No meu caso eu estava desabilitando algum módulo necessário para montar as partições do HD, mesmo elas sendo reconhecidas. Utilizei o make localmodconfig (excelente). Aí depois dele dei uma tunada nas opções que queria desabilitadas. Segue uma página com a explicação dele. http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Good-and-quick-kernel-configuration-creation-1403046.html -- Adiel de Lima Ribeiro facebook.com/sembr.dyndns.info
Procedimento para configurar o audio
Boa tarde pessoal ! Sou novo na lista e gostaria de saber qual é o procedimento correto para detectar e configurar corretamente o dispositivo de audio da minha máquina com o Debian Squeeze. Na máquina de casa ele detectou, mas o som sai com má qualidade. Na máquina do trabalho, ele não detectou o driver e portanto o som não funciona. A saída do comando lspci | grep Audio é: Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 06) Obrigado -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cajcx_kg3kx8jmgy2zsttckcbhzejzw8nutdbuzhze-oj_q2...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Shockwave Flash
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01.08.2012 19:18, Luiz L. Marins wrote: **apt-get remove gnash* apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree * * Em 01-08-2012 12:27, Gary Dale escreveu: On 01/08/12 10:11 AM, Kent West wrote: If you haven't already tried it, aptitude install gnash Do you have recent experience with gnash? The last time I tried it, it didn't work very well. I'd prefer to use it over proprietary software. I have same experience as you (Luiz) :(. PS. Please don't toppost nor send HTML. Those spaces under your message are from HTML and the email is harder to read when others are writing to bottom and you are writing to the top. - -- Mika Suomalainen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Public key: http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/key.txt Comment: gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 0x82A46728 Comment: Fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728 Comment: Why do I (clear)sign emails? http://git.io/6FLzWg Comment: Please remove PGP lines in replies. http://git.io/nvHrDg Comment: Charset of this message should be UTF-8. Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJQGiSiAAoJEE21PP6CpGco3TUP/107j7OvUDpplT8aoGLYwjBz TErrz0wtY/s97240NqolPbDMzXujgAOgD0TH1grC1yUPPL9KVrjKMs23aSyG3fHU ErrDhhN6h11MXVm85A6Vg0CpjMY2PelzpG/jEFPV3IIXpBAuwuDkjcoTdLRI0eoI xtyKraLTcgSG9b3jCBOGs/0890K02ttS7bK48ahWJNkHK6d3bxqMpgcRUwTFGpMK zIj6u6Mm8o7f30sGh4i5EbWO4ily/SLgh8kBpZkWTQdtJKKEf8K/mEt0vA80qOVc RD42Rd3olt2OQ5IzWS+eYyT/LS6Y41qVegEjgQr4TsvYsA4YEEWNXqxUfLw87xbT PmxG/NANbyFYrSUs35qQpUgXbpDC7vG8dr/glahzypwHhU0OvGoQ+Zdh7J6nBXct EtsBdxEtenyKV7e3BXEacYx9wjbR0YcYTznAp5HLLFPfsJ3PDbjKHKPzgVCaKSVw MBUP/SrBl/Y8Ine3JmzwnJ/azadGdqqonlsEtnp7icEA46ajx6QKmg5GGsSAeMHk XTa2ZdWXARqOrQST+lsNduy+NCMeGSruaGeevU7qRanP2nmoItUMH27DcJW0j9Nv bQdUuuUEkQQBZg6tXvhHulB17/XWk8hgbUycNM8Mxo79vXG2HcxTGWg1DibPV3LQ t90VBk5BpOnx0EYeMPr4 =HAFv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/501a24a7.50...@hotmail.com
Re: Debian multimedia repository (was: Shockwave Flash)
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Titanus Eramius tita...@aptget.dk wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:20:59 +0300 Teemu Likonen tliko...@iki.fi wrote: Gary Dale [2012-08-01 13:55:09 -0400] wrote: Agreed. I would also advise people to stay away from debian-multimedia. It's packages are incompatible with standard Debian packages in many cases. [...] debian-multimedia can be too much of a headache. It has worked fine the seven or eight years I've been using it. So, it depends. Different Debian releases and different packages vary so much that I think we can't say that Debian multimedia is good or bad as a whole. Instead we could warn users that occasionally there are incompatible packages. My 2 cents on this is, that once packages is installed from Debian Multimedia it's very hard to go back to stable. But if one keeps using Debian Multimedia there are rarely any problems. My recent experience Debian MM repo has been different. Around May/June 2011, I had installed Debian 6.0.2 (amd64) with VLC (Deb repo) + MythTV (Deb MM repo). VLC and MythTV worked fine side by side. No issues. End of July/2012, I installed Debain 6.0.5 (amd64) with VLC (Deb repo). VLC worked fine.I then installed MythTV from the Deb MM repo (squeeze/updates), expecting to get a compatible package with 6.0.5.. After MythTV installation, VLC stopped working. After searching found these discussions to be applicable to my problem: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ#Common_issues http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=70719f=13. I need both VLC and MythTV to work side by side and it was no longer possible with packages pulled in from the Debian MM repo. I ended up with a fresh 6.0.5 install with VLC; I then compiled MythTV from source. Most dependencies were resolved by packages from the Debian repo except for lame. I compiled lame from source and MythTV built fine.Now MythTV from source and VLC from Debian repo are both working fine. With my experience, I will say use Debian MM with caution; at least for Squeeze amd64. My two cents. YMMV -- Arun Khan As a layman, I would say we have it, but as a scientist I have to say, 'What do we have?' Rolf Heuer, Director General CERN on the announcement of Higgs Boson particle. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHhM8gDZL3TvnEZVSDqBZYPeTkHW-PFQqOqrVJXB91WYcK=_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian multimedia repository
On 02/08/12 12:25 AM, Yaro Kasear wrote: On 08/01/2012 11:06 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 01/08/12 11:52 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: On 08/01/2012 02:55 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 01 aug 12, 22:30:52, Teemu Likonen wrote: Titanus Eramius [2012-08-01 21:18:03 +0200] wrote: My 2 cents on this is, that once packages is installed from Debian Multimedia it's very hard to go back to stable. But if one keeps using Debian Multimedia there are rarely any problems. Now I got curious because that sound so general. What makes it very hard? In my experience installing and removing packages has always been easy in Debian. The versioning scheme of Deb Multimedia packages is meant to take priority over the Debian proper packages, but this can create problems under certain circumstances. Kind regards, Andrei I haven't been using Debian as long as many on this list. Are failures with Debian-Multimedia that overtly common or are they rather circumstantial? It's not failures so much as conflicts. Certain Debian packages will not upgrade because the requisite libraries have been replaced by Debian-multimedia ones. It's a shame because there are some very nice tools in Debian-multimedia that I'd love to be able to use but not at the expense of core Debian packages. And how promptly do the Debian-Multimedia developers resolve these conflicts? Is this a big issue or just an occasional minor hiccup? Again, it's not a hiccup. There are fundamental incompatibilities between the two repositories. Debian-multimedia libraries prevent certain Debian packages from working and vice-versa. Bob Proulx's post goes into some detail about the roots of the problems. Suffice to say that the Debian folks make sure their packages work together while Debian-multimedia packages can't quite seem to be made to work with the standard Debian packages. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/501a3bdc.2070...@rogers.com
compile gctwiwax on squeeze
i tried to compile gctwimax and got below messages umarzuki@v470:~/Downloads/gctwimax-0.0.3rc4$ make cc -MMD -O2 -g -Wall -I. -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/eap_peer -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -DCONFDIR=/usr/share/gctwimax -DIEEE8021X_EAPOL -c -o src/wimax.o src/wimax.c cc -MMD -O2 -g -Wall -I. -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/eap_peer -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -DCONFDIR=/usr/share/gctwimax -DIEEE8021X_EAPOL -c -o src/protocol.o src/protocol.c cc -MMD -O2 -g -Wall -I. -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/eap_peer -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -DCONFDIR=/usr/share/gctwimax -DIEEE8021X_EAPOL -c -o src/logging.o src/logging.c cc -MMD -O2 -g -Wall -I. -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/eap_peer -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -DCONFDIR=/usr/share/gctwimax -DIEEE8021X_EAPOL -c -o src/tap_dev.o src/tap_dev.c cc -MMD -O2 -g -Wall -I. -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/eap_peer -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -DCONFDIR=/usr/share/gctwimax -DIEEE8021X_EAPOL -c -o src/eap_auth.o src/eap_auth.c cc -MMD -O2 -g -Wall -I. -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/eap_peer -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -DCONFDIR=/usr/share/gctwimax -DIEEE8021X_EAPOL -c -o src/config.o src/config.c cc -o gctwimax src/wimax.o src/protocol.o src/logging.o src/tap_dev.o src/eap_auth.o src/config.o -leap -lusb-1.0 -lcrypto -lz -ldbus-1 /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/../../../../lib/libeap.so: undefined reference to `random_get_bytes' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [gctwimax] Error 1 i had installed libusb-1.0-0-dev, libssl-dev, libdbus-1-dev, zlibc successfully compiled wpa_supplicant-1.0 what else that i need to do? -- Regards, Umarzuki Mochlis http://debmal.my -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahw9mbyrzindjs1ov8jqt-shpxxocwth9nmpqjutumcbkte...@mail.gmail.com
Microphone does not work on wheezy laptop.
Good time of the day. Please help me to make my mic. working on wheezy laptop. It has [AMD] nee ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) sound card. Though mic work in laptop built-in test suite (called on key press at boot), amixer shows no mic: Simple mixer control 'Master',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Mono: Front Left: Playback 24 [77%] [-10.50dB] [on] Front Right: Playback 24 [77%] [-10.50dB] [on] Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 Capabilities: pvolume penum Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 255 Mono: Front Left: Playback 103 [40%] [-30.40dB] Front Right: Playback 103 [40%] [-30.40dB] Simple mixer control 'Capture',0 Capabilities: cvolume cswitch penum Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Capture 0 - 15 Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] [off] Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] [off] Simple mixer control 'Digital',0 Capabilities: cvolume penum Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Capture 0 - 120 Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [-30.00dB] Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [-30.00dB] Simple mixer control 'Mux',0 Capabilities: cvolume penum Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Capture 0 - 4 Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [0.00dB] - this is complete its output. Please share any ideas on what can be done to make mic. working. Thanks for Your time. Sthu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/501a4bbd.5086980a.1bc8.5...@mx.google.com
Re: GNU find: print0 and -type arguments
Hi, Dňa Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:33:35 -0500 Alex Robbins alexdotrobb...@gmail.com napísal: I see (on a terminal screen that does not display null characters): ../dir./file simple try to switch the arguments: find -type d -print0 ../dir The print0 and others are the expressions (see man find) and they must be at end of command. regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian multimedia repository
Hi, Dňa Wed, 01 Aug 2012 22:52:52 -0500 Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net napísal: I haven't been using Debian as long as many on this list. Are failures with Debian-Multimedia that overtly common or are they rather circumstantial? I am using Debian testing at my home computer for some years along with Debian-multimedia repository. But i am suing minimal of the multimedia software. I can't tell that there never was any problem, but the problems always was easy solved by aptitude (which i am using for mostly APT things) or was solved by time (some dependencies). Then i can't generalize, that DM is producing the problems. But all is about your personal preferences and (perhaps) about installed software/packages. regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: epub or mobi
On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 04:40:09AM +, T o n g wrote: Hi, If I can choose, which version of ebook I should pick, the epub or mobi files, and why? According to a moment's reading of Wikipedia (By the way, the internet is a GREAT source of knowledge that you yourself can go and find!), choose EPUB over Mobipocket as the former is free (as in beer AND as in speech) while the latter is only free as in beer. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
[solved] Re: Question on pam_access cron configuration
Just to finish this one: My goal was to only use pam_access.so if the service was sshd or login. This configuration in common-account achieves that: account[default=1 success=ignore] pam_succeed_if.so service in sshd:login quiet accountrequiredpam_access.so Regards Dominik 2012/8/1 Dominik Klein dominik.kl...@googlemail.com: Well thank you for this delightful answer. Yes, one could configure something like + : nobody : crond But that is something I would like to avoid (which I stated in the first email) since that would imply having this config on 500+ machines (each has the same access.conf) I am looking for the pam way to achieve this. Thanks Dominik 2012/8/1 emmanuel segura emi2f...@gmail.com: man access.conf 2012/8/1 Dominik Klein dominik.kl...@googlemail.com Hi I included pam_access in common-account in order to manage access to my machines. Now, cronjobs running as www-data or nobody cannot run because there is no entry in the access.conf - and I really don't want an entry for each cronjob. My approach on fixing this was to exclude common-account from /etc/pam.d/cron, but I still get CRON[pid]: pam_access(cron:account) access diened for user nobody from cron What's the correct (debian) way to deal with this situation? Regards Dominik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHY3NAYAyKoW=ly_knnbke20q0athqosfqqj0ugd2pg_7g7...@mail.gmail.com -- esta es mi vida e me la vivo hasta que dios quiera -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahy3naaohprggndrvdp3uifblytei4gzaq2bx5jzijbprxa...@mail.gmail.com
Re: GNU find: print0 and -type arguments
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 09:12:49PM -0500, Alex Robbins wrote: Kumar Yes, I read the man page and I know what the -print0 option is supposed to do. Notice, however, that when I executed find -print0 -type d the output (which, we both understand, is delimited by null characters) includes the regular file, even though I specified -type d. My bad. Sorry for missing this. Kumar -- linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste (k...@cis.ufl.edu put this on Tshirts in '93) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120802115312.ga30...@bluemoon.alumni.iitm.ac.in
Re: black screen but have audio playing
2012/7/29 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com: El 2012-07-29 a las 02:07 +0800, Umarzuki Mochlis escribió: (resending to the list) 2012/7/28 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com: On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 10:57:16 +0800, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote: Have you checked if it happens with all kind of video files? From ogg to mpeg, comercial DVD's, avi... also, have you checked with VideoLAN? It uses its own codecs instead the system's one, so it can be a good test to discard a problem coming from the codecs. i checked with .ogg .avi but none can show video, except audio strangely enough, streaming ogg via iceweasel works (built-in HTML5 capability?) already tried with smplayer VLC but the same Streaming could be done from a flash player object or using the video tag of HTML5, only the code of the page you rendered can tell. More strange is that VLC fails to display the video because this fact will discard a missing plugin problem. Can you launch the video file from VLC using the command line? You can Use the debug parameter to get more info (vlc -vvv myfile.ogg). Also, check for the current video output under your preferences, it should be set to X11. Do commercial/self-made DVDs play fine or fail in the same way? What ffmpeg package do you have installed? Debian's stock or the one from D-M? i think its from official repo # dpkg --get-selections | grep ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg install libxine1-ffmpeg install # aptitude show gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg Package: gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg New: yes State: installed Automatically installed: yes Version: 0.10.10-1 Priority: optional Section: video Maintainer: Maintainers of GStreamer packages pkg-gstreamer-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org # aptitude show libxine1-ffmpeg Package: libxine1-ffmpeg New: yes State: installed Automatically installed: yes Version: 1.1.19-2 Priority: optional Section: video Maintainer: Darren Salt li...@youmustbejoking.demon.co.uk Yes, they come from the official repo, otherwise there will be a -bpo in the package's name (in addition, those packages are not available at D-M). Anyway, I don't think this is a plugin issue because if so, VLC would have no problem for getting video and also, an ogg video file wouldn't experience this. Mmm... Sandy Bridge uses to have dual VGA chipsets but anyway, vdpau is not nvidia specific. Do you have libvdpau1 installed? BTW, Google says that libvdpau_nvidia.so warning can be harmless. could it be a problem with the video driver? the built-in webcam that comes with this laptop (lenovo v470) also cannot show any video from Cheese The problem with webcam can be of a different nature, you will have to ensure your device is supported and modules are properly loaded. Also, you can try to get video from a different application such as Ekiga. it seems that graphic module from backports isn't working well when i switched to 2.6.32-5-amd64, video runs fine -- Regards, Umarzuki Mochlis http://debmal.my -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahw9mbxksmakzrn-nbwc5ewhfdwpkw85hfn4znqy0ljjzc_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: epub or mobi
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 4:03 AM, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 04:40:09AM +, T o n g wrote: Hi, If I can choose, which version of ebook I should pick, the epub or mobi files, and why? According to a moment's reading of Wikipedia (By the way, the internet is a GREAT source of knowledge that you yourself can go and find!), choose EPUB over Mobipocket as the former is free (as in beer AND as in speech) while the latter is only free as in beer. Epub is also more actively developed (v3 just came out) AFAIK, and definitely more common. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-zCg6c_P5iTUtnL2sPL7ekyM1i=ca-hjyw_fge4ov...@mail.gmail.com
Re: epub or mobi
I generally go with epub. Epub files are the closer to a standardized format, whereas mobi is more proprietary. The other reason I prefer epub is that it is, in essence, html docs in a zip file format. You can unzip title,epub get a listing of html files: $ unzip -v The_Great_Commission_-_Steven_Lake.epub Archive: The_Great_Commission_-_Steven_Lake.epub Length MethodSize CmprDateTime CRC-32 Name -- --- -- - 5899 Defl:N 2562 57% 2011-07-28 15:19 73989fed Page_006.html 2815 Defl:N 1296 54% 2011-07-28 15:18 eefddff2 Page_007.html 3278 Defl:N 1502 54% 2011-07-28 15:22 27844f53 Page_008.html 2288 Defl:N 1135 50% 2011-07-28 15:20 3a4153c6 Page_009.html 4828 Defl:N 2087 57% 2011-07-28 15:17 f617d959 Page_010.html 3376 Defl:N 1578 53% 2011-07-28 15:20 72433d36 Page_011.html 4462 Defl:N 1882 58% 2011-07-28 15:20 b50530bd Page_012.html 8908 Defl:N 3714 58% 2011-07-28 15:17 a44eed3f Page_013.html 1471 Defl:N 785 47% 2011-07-28 15:12 666f52bd Page_014.html 827 Defl:N 485 41% 2011-07-28 15:12 1c2db05e Page_015.html 1932 Defl:N 419 78% 2010-05-05 19:41 f66060ca stylesheet.css 583 Defl:N 313 46% 2010-03-20 22:33 d755d124 titlepage.xhtml 3099 Defl:N 677 78% 2011-07-28 14:48 5b88fc45 toc.ncx 0 Stored0 0% 2010-07-21 16:52 META-INF/ 237 Defl:N 152 36% 2010-03-20 22:33 7716e82e META-INF/container.xml 2978 Defl:N 754 75% 2011-07-28 14:45 01059abd content.opf 20 Stored 20 0% 2010-03-20 22:33 2cab616f mimetype 780 Defl:N 433 45% 2011-07-28 14:35 63e38c68 Page_000.html 1895 Defl:N 885 53% 2011-07-28 15:24 16c2203b Page_001.html 966 Defl:N 534 45% 2011-12-18 22:16 48efa850 Page_002.html 1678 Defl:N 880 48% 2011-07-28 14:55 e997672e Page_003.html 13051 Defl:N 5200 60% 2011-12-18 22:16 d0bb32bc Page_004.html 4698 Defl:N 2056 56% 2011-07-28 15:21 ba97913b Page_005.html 222915 Defl:N 215843 3% 2010-12-21 15:54 aed8cb8c cover.jpg --- ------ 292984 245192 16%24 files These being .html files, can be edited. All that being said, are you familiar with Calibre (http://calibre-ebook.com)? It's an ebook library manager and converter. You should take a look at that, as it lets you convert between formats at will. It also makes a good library manager, though have had issues with multiple copies of the same database getting out of sync, so I may end up using subversion or git on the backend to keep them in sync. --b On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:40 AM, T o n g mlist4sunt...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, If I can choose, which version of ebook I should pick, the epub or mobi files, and why? Thanks -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/ http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jvd0b8$tdi$2...@dough.gmane.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKmZw+bt3Sn7OGsFvUgfyWm=ouwmhbrpuyfuniwfpagi-3p...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:50:37 -0500 John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: Celejar writes: ...so just because the marginal cost of duplication is zero, why is is unreasonable for it to charge per copy? It is entirely reasonable for them to charge whatever they see fit for copies they make, but why should your producers be able to charge for copies other people make from copies those people own when the producers incur no costs and none of their property is involved? If the producers don't want me to make copies of the copies they sell me they can refrain from selling to me or condition the sale on contractual terms that limit what copying I can do. Why should I be forbidden by statute to create copies of objects that I own? Well, we'll have to agree to disagree here, as we're just disagreeing over irreducible first principles. I, and the law, think that it is reasonable and fair that the creator of certain types of intellectual / cultural artifacts should be entitled to some sort of restrictions on who can utilize and implement those ideas; you disagree. Doesn't really matter in the long run, though. Now that the marginal cost of copying is zero copyright is going to die. It was only really practical when large-scale copying was an industrial enterprise such that enforcement was feasible. Well, we'll just have to wait and see. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120802094159.752b0674.cele...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:50:37 -0500 John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: Celejar writes: ...so just because the marginal cost of duplication is zero, why is is unreasonable for it to charge per copy? It is entirely reasonable for them to charge whatever they see fit for copies they make, but why should your producers be able to charge for copies other people make from copies those people own when the producers incur no costs and none of their property is involved? If the producers don't want me to make copies of the copies they sell me they can refrain from selling to me or condition the sale on contractual terms that limit what copying I can do. Why should I be forbidden by statute to create copies of objects that I own? Well, we'll have to agree to disagree here, as we're just disagreeing over irreducible first principles. I, and the law, think that it is reasonable and fair that the creator of certain types of intellectual / cultural artifacts should be entitled to some sort of restrictions on who can utilize and implement those ideas; you disagree. The thing I don't understand is that the content producers bang on about intellectual property which, if I am understanding correctly (and I believe I am) is the *content*. The music or movie or whatever. So let's look at a practical example. I bought, say for the sake of argument, Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. I bought it when I was a teenager on cassette. A few years later, it comes out on 8-track...Then on CD. Or, what about a movie. Bought it on BetaMax, which was forced into obsolescence by teh content producers, so then it was out on VHS, then LaserDisc, then DVD, now Blu-ray. If it is about the intellectual property, why do I have to buy the *same* IP every time the industry decides to change formats? In theory, if IP is the item with cost associated with it, if I have paid for it once, I should have a right to it regardless of what format it is in. It's akin to the grocery store charging you for the state of the food you buy. Well, it was raw when we first charged you, now it is cooked...Okay, now it is on a plate, so that is an extra charge, and so forth. Am I wrong here? (I'm not saying they'll change, just that it is a specious argument) --b -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKmZw+Z8ujq4Pt+SeQpaOKDMmxauhsYFzeGrO4atHA=vq4z...@mail.gmail.com
bug report to icedove or iceweasel??
Needing to send in bug report as I cannot find the answer to this specific problem. As explained before, I can get to Iceweasel from Icedove when I click on a link but I can only get to my homepage. I have changed homepages to see if that may be the problem but it makes no difference. Example of problem. In email, there is a link to Debian Support http://www.debian.org/support#usenet. I click on it and Iceweasel opens up not to Debian Support but to my homepage, ex. Google Search http://www.google.com. It makes no difference what the link in Icedove I click on, my homepage opens up. Never the actual link. I have gone thru all the various iterations in Icedove, etc. of getting Iceweasel to be my browser but it always had been but I did the changes anyway thinking one of them may actually be the problem. That is NOT the problem. I went to the bugreport page for Debian and they said to bring it to you all to have you tell me who I should send in the bug report to as everytime I do a google search all I get is how to set up iceweasel as my browser and that is not the problem. TIA and help is appreciated. Cheers. Whit
Re: bug report to icedove or iceweasel??
On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 11:19:18AM -0400, Whit Hansell wrote: Needing to send in bug report as I cannot find the answer to this specific problem. As explained before, I can get to Iceweasel from Icedove when I click on a link but I can only get to my homepage. I have changed homepages to see if that may be the problem but it makes no difference. Example of problem. In email, there is a link to [1]Debian Support. I click on it and Iceweasel opens up not to Debian Support but to my homepage, ex. [2]Google Search. It makes no difference what the link in Icedove I click on, my homepage opens up. Never the actual link. I have gone thru all the various iterations in Icedove, etc. of getting Iceweasel to be my browser but it always had been but I did the changes anyway thinking one of them may actually be the problem. That is NOT the problem. I went to the bugreport page for Debian and they said to bring it to you all to have you tell me who I should send in the bug report to as everytime I do a google search all I get is how to set up iceweasel as my browser and that is not the problem. I would suggest eliminating one or other from the equation to see who's at fault: * If you open a link in another application, does Iceweasel open it correctly? * If you set your default browser to be something else (e.g. chromium), does Icedove correctly open the link in that? Hopefully one of those will fail, showing where to report the bug. If both tests SUCCEED, though, you've got some weird interaction between icedove and iceweasel going on. In which case, I'd suggest talking to the Mozilla team at pkg-mozilla-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
Brad Alexander writes: The thing I don't understand is that the content producers bang on about intellectual property which, if I am understanding correctly (and I believe I am) is the *content*. Intellectual property is a right established by statute. In the case of copyright it is the exclusive right to create copies of a protected work. Under copyright law a copy is a _tangible object_. ...why do I have to buy the *same* IP every time the industry decides to change formats? You didn't buy the IP. That would mean that you acquired the exclusive right to make copies. You bought a _copy_: a tangible thing. The copyright owner retained the right to create more copies[1]. It's all about copies and the creation and distribution thereof. Copies are _things_. That includes a copy on your hard disk: the disk is a tangible thing and the copy is that portion of it on which the copy resides. IP is about abstract rights. When you acquire a copy of a work you do not acquire any of those rights: just the thing. Quit thinking about copies as immaterial abstractions. [1] The copyright owner may or may not have granted you some limited rights to make copies under some limited circumstances as part of a contract entered into when you purchased the copy from them. In addition, under some circumstances the USA copyright statute grants you limited rights to make copies. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87zk6d8g5i@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
Ahoj, Dňa Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:00:26 -0400 Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com napísal: On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:50:37 -0500 John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: Celejar writes: ...so just because the marginal cost of duplication is zero, why is is unreasonable for it to charge per copy? It is entirely reasonable for them to charge whatever they see fit for copies they make, but why should your producers be able to charge for copies other people make from copies those people own when the producers incur no costs and none of their property is involved? If the producers don't want me to make copies of the copies they sell me they can refrain from selling to me or condition the sale on contractual terms that limit what copying I can do. Why should I be forbidden by statute to create copies of objects that I own? Well, we'll have to agree to disagree here, as we're just disagreeing over irreducible first principles. I, and the law, think that it is reasonable and fair that the creator of certain types of intellectual / cultural artifacts should be entitled to some sort of restrictions on who can utilize and implement those ideas; you disagree. The thing I don't understand is that the content producers bang on about intellectual property which, if I am understanding correctly (and I believe I am) is the *content*. The music or movie or whatever. So let's look at a practical example. I bought, say for the sake of argument, Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. I bought it when I was a teenager on cassette. A few years later, it comes out on 8-track...Then on CD. Or, what about a movie. Bought it on BetaMax, which was forced into obsolescence by teh content producers, so then it was out on VHS, then LaserDisc, then DVD, now Blu-ray. If it is about the intellectual property, why do I have to buy the *same* IP every time the industry decides to change formats? In theory, if IP is the item with cost associated with it, if I have paid for it once, I should have a right to it regardless of what format it is in. It's akin to the grocery store charging you for the state of the food you buy. Well, it was raw when we first charged you, now it is cooked...Okay, now it is on a plate, so that is an extra charge, and so forth. Nice examples :-) But consider this: the right about intelectual property is in mean money property. It gives to one the right to take money from others. And moneys are not tool (as are somebody telling), but money are target in todays world. When i was young (before cca 25-30 years), somebody tell me that money are bridge between work (job) and food. It is still right, but no everybody know this... regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: slow hibernate after upgrade
hvw59601 wrote: Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2012-07-31 16:08:12 -0500, hvw59601 wrote: After wheezy dist-upgrade desktop hibernate is twice as slow as before. I've also found that putting the by Debian/unstable laptop into sleep with Fn+F1 takes much longer than before. But this is more several dozens of seconds vs a few seconds in the past. It now takes 40 secs. to hibernate about 400.000 pages, before it took about 15 secs. But wakeup is still fast: 12 secs. But why does this happen? And how to circumvent it? When I pin linux-image-amd64 it does not happen so it is the wheezy upgrade to linux-image-3.2.0-3-amd64 that does it, but is it a feature or a bug? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jve8p0$5e3$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: compile gctwiwax on squeeze
Umarzuki Mochlis wrote: i tried to compile gctwimax and got below messages Why is this a Debian problem? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jve99a$9v0$1...@dough.gmane.org
replacing GDM with a script
I am running 3 Linux distros with Sid as my main one. I am curious to know if it's possible to replace GDM with a BASH script. The issue is complicated because I run 3 window managers with Sid and a similar situation with the other 2 distros. Googling the problem hasn't turned up much of interest. I am in Sid most of the time, so the script could only apply here. Does anyone have any suggestions? -- Cheers Frank -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/501aa943.2050...@videotron.ca
Re: replacing GDM with a script
On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 12:22:27PM -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: I am running 3 Linux distros with Sid as my main one. I am curious to know if it's possible to replace GDM with a BASH script. The issue is complicated because I run 3 window managers with Sid and a similar situation with the other 2 distros. Googling the problem hasn't turned up much of interest. I am in Sid most of the time, so the script could only apply here. Does anyone have any suggestions? With all the same functionality? Unlikely. As a simple mystartx session? Probably. Try looking at how the simpler display-managers work (lightdm, slim, nodm etc). signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: replacing GDM with a script
On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 12:22:27PM -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: I am running 3 Linux distros with Sid as my main one. I am curious to know if it's possible to replace GDM with a BASH script. The issue is complicated because I run 3 window managers with Sid and a similar situation with the other 2 distros. Googling the problem hasn't turned up much of interest. I am in Sid most of the time, so the script could only apply here. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, but let me outline some possibilities: - you don't have to run GDM at all. Disable it with update-rc.d and shut it down (/etc/init.d/gdm stop). Then you can start X per user with startx. You can script that. - Perhaps you want to have custom GDM sessions? Look at the config files. You can select a desktop environment at GDM login time. -dsr- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120802163433.gj8...@randomstring.org
Re: Printers using free software only
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 02:06:07PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:43:13 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 04:51:11PM +, Camaleón wrote: I just wanted to point a scenario where the jump to a PDF filter as the default backend can have its troubles and not be nor as good nor as simple nor as easy as the white papers say. Companies have always showed different needs than users and these jumps are seen differently when you have to hold them as user or as admin. The understanding I got from reading Roger's post was that if you are using CUPS, *THEN* you are automatically using a PDF filter paradigm because it **is considered superior/more robust**. That's what CUPS developers seem to claim (?) but having used PS printers and PS backend as default for all these years, I'm a bit reluctant about grandiloquent wordings with no more technical proofs on the superiority of one on the proposed systems over the other. If you want technical proof, please download the specs for both from Adobe's website and compare them. Both are freely downloadable. http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/en/ps/PLRM.pdf http://www.adobe.com/devnet/acrobat/pdfs/pdf_reference_1-7.pdf The wikipedia pages for both are also reasonably informative. The fact is, PDF *is* the continuation of PostScript. It's just an evolved form of PostScript in a binary format. More accurately, both formats are implementations of the Adobe imaging model; until PDF 1.4, both of these formats implemented the same set of primitives. PDF 1.4 and later implement new additions to the imaging model, while PostScript will not see any new releases. If you look at all the drawing primitives contained within PostScript, they are all right there in PDF. If you take any PostScript document, you can execute it and transform all the drawing commands to their PDF equivalent. That's why it's trivial to to the conversion. The converse is not always true: because PDF is a *superset* of the PostScript drawing model, and so you potentially lose information going the other way, because you might have to convert a single PDF primitive into multiple PostScript primitives which only /approximate/ the PDF. You can read a nice overview of the history and relationship between the two here: http://www.prepressure.com/postscript/basics/history I hope from the above you'll understand that is indisputable that 1) PDF has a more technically sophisticated imaging model 2) PDF is the de-facto standard for professional document printing 3) PostScript is no longer being developed, and PDF is its successor Moving to a PDF based printing workflow is an improvement due to being technically superior and the logical way to go. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `-GPG Public Key F33D 281D 470A B443 6756 147C 07B3 C8BC 4083 E800 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120802170219.gr25...@codelibre.net
Re: GNU find: print0 and -type arguments
Am Donnerstag, 2. August 2012 schrieb Bob Proulx: I see (on a terminal screen that does not display null characters): ../dir./file You have the order of arguments backwards. You wanted to say this: find -type d -print That would do the right thing. Doing it the other way around doesn't make any sense. I think doing it the other way around will just use -print0 on everything since no criteria yet specified and then apply the filter and then probably do nothing as an action has already been specified (hence no implicite -print at the end). Well more so, find seems to stop at the first action: martin@merkaba:~/Zeit mkdir find-Test martin@merkaba:~/Zeit cd find-Test martin@merkaba:~/Zeit/find-Test ls martin@merkaba:~/Zeit/find-Test mkdir dir martin@merkaba:~/Zeit/find-Test touch file martin@merkaba:~/Zeit/find-Test touch anotherfile martin@merkaba:~/Zeit/find-Test find -type d -print -name file -printf %s %p -name anotherfile -print0 . ./dir ;) -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201208021959.09473.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Screen locking in squeeze.
I seem to have lost the ability to lock my screen. I cant do it from the keyboard with CTRL+ALT+l [lower case L] and neither from the system menu. Can anyone suggest how I can get it back please? Thanks Sharon. -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/index.html efever = http://www.efever.blogspot.com/ efever = http://sharon04.livejournal.com/ Debian 6,0.5, Gnome 1:2.30+7, LibreOffice 3.5.5 Registered Linux user 334501 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAM9u--cVxF1c=epacdm3ndcdcwbnz3zsowf90vgze8hvenr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Printers using free software only
Am Montag, 23. Juli 2012 schrieb green: Stan Hoeppner wrote at 2012-07-23 06:59 -0500: On 7/23/2012 6:17 AM, Teemu Likonen wrote: I suggest buying a PostScript printer with ethernet connection. LEXMARK E260dn, monochrome laser: I purchased a Lexmark E360dn, hoping for good Linux support. It prints nicely, but does not give a good experience with regard to paper type and tray selection. The only problem, as far as I can tell, is that there is no correct PPD file: even the PPD provided by Lexmark is broken. I tried writing one (PPDC), but did not have the time to learn the syntax, etc (remotely deployed printer). With that fixed, I *think* it would work perfectly. I do wish there were more hardware manufacturers with a real interest in making their products work well with Linux. HP is the best I have seen: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/recommended.html I agree. I have an HP OfficeJet 5610 multi function device and just everything worked out of the box. Printing, scanning and I think even faxing. As well as ink status display. Whats more, I can let this inkjet sit here for months and then print as if nothing happens. The dealer told me its capable to pull the ink back so that it doesn´t dry inside the printer head. I can also refill a ink cartridge about five times. Only think is teaching the printer to accept it as full again. You need to cover some pins for that. But since printing works I usually just accept that ink status display is bogus. I looked what files are in hplip, hplip-data, hplip-gui and printer- driver-hpcups and found no binary blob in there. So if there is none within the printer driver file itself, I bet its all open source here. merkaba:~ LANG=C apt-cache search hplip binary merkaba:~ LANG=C apt-cache search hplip firmware printer-driver-hpijs - HP Linux Printing and Imaging - gs IJS driver (hpijs) merkaba:~ LANG=C apt-cache show printer-driver-hpijs Package: printer-driver-hpijs Source: hplip Version: 3.12.6-3 Installed-Size: 1821 Maintainer: Debian HPIJS and HPLIP maintainers […] Architecture: amd64 Replaces: hpijs ( 3.11.10-1ubuntu2) Depends: libc6 (= 2.4), libdbus-1-3 (= 1.0.2), libgcc1 (= 1:4.1.1), libhpmud0 (= 3.12.6-3), libjpeg8 (= 8c), libssl1.0.0 (= 1.0.0), libstdc++6 (= 4.1.1) Recommends: ghostscript, cups (= 1.4.0) | cupsddk | hpijs-ppds, foomatic- filters Suggests: hplip, hpijs-ppds, hplip-doc Breaks: hpijs ( 3.11.10-1ubuntu2) Description-en: HP Linux Printing and Imaging - gs IJS driver (hpijs) This package contains an IJS printer driver for Ghostscript, which adds support for most inkjet printers and some LaserJet printers manufactured by HP. It is also required for HPLIP fax support. . The Debian package of hpijs includes the so-called rss patch, to use pure black ink instead of composite black in printers that don't do color map conversion in firmware. . HPIJS can take advantage of Ghostscript IJS KRGB support when available, to enhance black printing on printers that do color map conversion in firmware and are thus not affected by the old rss patch. . Users of the CUPS printing system are advised to also install the hplip package, and use the hp CUPS backend to send data to the printer. HPLIP supports USB, networked and parallel-port devices, and enables extended HPIJS functionality such as border-less printing. Selecting any hpijs ppd in CUPS will use hpijs automatically. . HPIJS is meant to be used through the foomatic system (see the foomatic-filters package). Homepage: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html Hmmm, still no firmware. Also the hpijs-ppds package doesn´t contain some. So I would have a closer look as for which models a firmware is needed. After all I can see here, mine works without – except the firmware which resides in the printer itself. Thanks, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201208022015.08833.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: Printers using free software only
Am Montag, 23. Juli 2012 schrieb Brian: On Mon 23 Jul 2012 at 08:29:49 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: On 07/23/2012 07:47 AM, Registros Web wrote: Hi all, Im about to buy a printer and want to make sure I get one that uses 100% free software, no blobs or proprietary drivers, so I can get on using it even if the manufacturer decides to cease support of the printer. If you buy a printer that supports Postscript then you should be set without requiring any driver, as Linux applications generally output Postscript when printing. All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to output in PDF format when printing. Haven´t there been plans to switch CUPS to use PDF internally as well? -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201208022017.28016.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: Printers using free software only
Am Donnerstag, 26. Juli 2012 schrieb Gaël DONVAL: Three goods points were raised: 1) Postscript printers (advertised so) are great in that regard because they only need a PPD (ASCII) file to work. This is not the only way to be sure the printer will work in 10 years but this is the easiest (BTW, I have never heard of someone complaining because some binary blobs for his printer were not available anymore...). 2) Even with open source drivers, you cannot control the firmware of the printer: some printers are programmed to force you to visit your reseller once in a while for maintenance or just stop working. What? Well I better look that up in this thread. I am quite confident my HP OfficeJet 5610 doesn´t contain such a nasty firmware, as I am using it for a real long time now. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201208022019.16708.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: replacing GDM with a script
Or you can add a command to start x and your window manager to init.d. Regards, Cortman On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Dan Ritter d...@randomstring.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 12:22:27PM -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: I am running 3 Linux distros with Sid as my main one. I am curious to know if it's possible to replace GDM with a BASH script. The issue is complicated because I run 3 window managers with Sid and a similar situation with the other 2 distros. Googling the problem hasn't turned up much of interest. I am in Sid most of the time, so the script could only apply here. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, but let me outline some possibilities: - you don't have to run GDM at all. Disable it with update-rc.d and shut it down (/etc/init.d/gdm stop). Then you can start X per user with startx. You can script that. - Perhaps you want to have custom GDM sessions? Look at the config files. You can select a desktop environment at GDM login time. -dsr- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120802163433.gj8...@randomstring.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cadfaa3lsh+rp3ywtyrv37qe_zimx_p3rqgiwikcg3c-nu9r...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Printers using free software only
Am Donnerstag, 2. August 2012 schrieb Roger Leigh: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 02:06:07PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:43:13 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 04:51:11PM +, Camaleón wrote: I just wanted to point a scenario where the jump to a PDF filter as the default backend can have its troubles and not be nor as good nor as simple nor as easy as the white papers say. Companies have always showed different needs than users and these jumps are seen differently when you have to hold them as user or as admin. The understanding I got from reading Roger's post was that if you are using CUPS, THEN you are automatically using a PDF filter paradigm because it **is considered superior/more robust**. That's what CUPS developers seem to claim (?) but having used PS printers and PS backend as default for all these years, I'm a bit reluctant about grandiloquent wordings with no more technical proofs on the superiority of one on the proposed systems over the other. If you want technical proof, please download the specs for both from Adobe's website and compare them. Both are freely downloadable. http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/en/ps/PLRM.pdf http://www.adobe.com/devnet/acrobat/pdfs/pdf_reference_1-7.pdf The wikipedia pages for both are also reasonably informative. The fact is, PDF is the continuation of PostScript. It's just an evolved form of PostScript in a binary format. More accurately, both formats are implementations of the Adobe imaging model; until PDF 1.4, both of these formats implemented the same set of primitives. PDF 1.4 and later implement new additions to the imaging model, while PostScript will not see any new releases. If you look at all the drawing primitives contained within PostScript, they are all right there in PDF. If you take any PostScript document, you can execute it and transform all the drawing commands to their PDF equivalent. That's why it's trivial to to the conversion. The converse is not always true: because PDF is a superset of the PostScript drawing model, and so you potentially lose information going the other way, because you might have to convert a single PDF primitive into multiple PostScript primitives which only approximate the PDF. Roger, many thanks for taking the time to explain the switch from PostScript to PDF in such a great detail. I found your posts to be a really informative read. Thanks, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201208022040.26249.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Brad Alexander wrote: The thing I don't understand is that the content producers bang on about intellectual property which, if I am understanding correctly (and I believe I am) is the *content*. The music or movie or whatever. I claim there's a lot more to it than that. And intellectual property is a misnomer. So let's look at a practical example. I bought, say for the sake of argument, Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. I bought it when I was a teenager on cassette. A few years later, it comes out on 8-track...Then on CD. why do I have to buy the *same* IP every time the industry decides to change formats? In my case, let's consider Dave Brubeck's album where they were playing around with time signatures. I don't remember the name, but it was the one with Take Five on it. When I bought it in my teens, the only format was vinyl disc. Then a few years later, it came out on CD. I bought that too. A friend of mine brought out the same argument you do. How much would you pay, I asked him, for a 1:1 dub of the 15 ips master tape of that disk? No surface noise, no turntable rumble, less wow flutter, lower harmonic distortion, better frequency response, etc. Oh, yeah, he said. If I buy an audio cassette of something, I've paid for the content. It seems reasonable to me that I have the right to make a copy of what I bought with machinery I own. But if I don't have access to a higher quality version of the music, and/or I want somebody else to make the copy, I'm going to have to pay something for it. what about a movie. Bought it on BetaMax, which was forced into obsolescence by teh content producers, so then it was out on VHS, You could still watch it in BetaMax until your BM player died. And VHS barely worked anyway. You were better off with the BetaMax. then LaserDisc, LaserDisc was a better format than either of the tape formats. And you still had your BetaMax version to watch. then DVD, now Blu-ray. Both technical improvements (if you don't mind the DRM and FBI warnings). And you didn't have to buy either if you didn't want to. But if you did, you got a better version of the movie (longer lasting medium, higher resolution, takes up less space in your living room, etc.) Now, there oughta be a way to pay for just the improvements if you have an earlier version already, but our masters have decided not to provide such. It would be a real mess to implement anyway, and it likely wouldn't turn out any cheaper, what with all the bookkeeping and stuff... It's akin to the grocery store charging you for the state of the food you buy. Well, it was raw when we first charged you, now it is cooked. Is Safeway a better cook than you are? Then pay them for the labor and utilities and tools needed to cook it. Is your friend a better cook? Then invite him/her over to share the dinner. Otherwise, cook it yourself. Am I wrong here? A little bit. The issue isn't named well enough to see the whole picture. Am I wrong here? -- Glenn English hand-wrapped from my Apple Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c6c053c-9873-4e61-8e8c-bb98ec819...@slsware.com
Re: Debian multimedia repository (was: Shockwave Flash)
Am Mittwoch, 1. August 2012 schrieb Teemu Likonen: Gary Dale [2012-08-01 13:55:09 -0400] wrote: Agreed. I would also advise people to stay away from debian-multimedia. It's packages are incompatible with standard Debian packages in many cases. [...] debian-multimedia can be too much of a headache. It has worked fine the seven or eight years I've been using it. So, it depends. Different Debian releases and different packages vary so much that I think we can't say that Debian multimedia is good or bad as a whole. Instead we could warn users that occasionally there are incompatible packages. I have had several apt-get / aptitude session to get things straight in order to be able a package from the official debian repository while packages from the debian-multimedia reposity have been installed. So I use packages from that repository sparely. And have this to avoid further trouble: martin@merkaba:~ cat /etc/apt/preferences […] Explanation: Manchmal Konflikte mit offiziellen Paketquellen, 15.6.2011 Package: * Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages Pin-Priority: 200 […] The german translates to: Sometimes conflicts with official package repositories. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201208022044.58092.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: Debian multimedia repository
Am Donnerstag, 2. August 2012 schrieb Yaro Kasear: On 08/01/2012 11:06 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 01/08/12 11:52 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: On 08/01/2012 02:55 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 01 aug 12, 22:30:52, Teemu Likonen wrote: Titanus Eramius [2012-08-01 21:18:03 +0200] wrote: My 2 cents on this is, that once packages is installed from Debian Multimedia it's very hard to go back to stable. But if one keeps using Debian Multimedia there are rarely any problems. Now I got curious because that sound so general. What makes it very hard? In my experience installing and removing packages has always been easy in Debian. The versioning scheme of Deb Multimedia packages is meant to take priority over the Debian proper packages, but this can create problems under certain circumstances. Kind regards, Andrei I haven't been using Debian as long as many on this list. Are failures with Debian-Multimedia that overtly common or are they rather circumstantial? It's not failures so much as conflicts. Certain Debian packages will not upgrade because the requisite libraries have been replaced by Debian-multimedia ones. It's a shame because there are some very nice tools in Debian-multimedia that I'd love to be able to use but not at the expense of core Debian packages. And how promptly do the Debian-Multimedia developers resolve these conflicts? Is this a big issue or just an occasional minor hiccup? From what I see in the debian-multimedia discussion mailing list Christian is quite responsive to bug reports. But conflicts? I don´t know. I´d suggest to subscribe to that mailinglist and ask there. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201208022047.34332.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: Printers using free software only
On Thu 02 Aug 2012 at 20:17:27 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Montag, 23. Juli 2012 schrieb Brian: All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to output in PDF format when printing. Haven´t there been plans to switch CUPS to use PDF internally as well? May I repeat the URL given previously: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/pdfasstandardprintjobformat Having applications produce output in PDF was all part of the plan to have the complete printing workflow with CUPS use PDF. All the essentials are now in place. It has been a truly remarkable effort. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120802185450.GC6660@desktop
Re: replacing GDM with a script
On 08/02/2012 12:33 PM, Darac Marjal wrote:
On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 12:22:27PM -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
I am running 3 Linux distros with Sid as my main one. I am curious
to know if it's possible to replace GDM with a BASH script. The
issue is complicated because I run 3 window managers with Sid and a
similar situation with the other 2 distros. Googling the problem
hasn't turned up much of interest. I am in Sid most of the time, so
the script could only apply here. Does anyone have any suggestions?
With all the same functionality? Unlikely.
As a simple mystartxsession? Probably. Try looking at how the
simpler display-managers work (lightdm, slim, nodm etc).
I have been using this in my .bashrc file for years. Maybe it could
help you? I have never used GDM.
x()
{
depth=${1:-24}
for i in `seq 0 4`; do if [ ! -f /tmp/.X${i}-lock ]; then D=$i;
break; fi; done
if [ -z $D ]; then
echo No free virtual terminal
else
/usr/bin/startx -- :${D} -depth 24 -dpi 96 2 ~/.X.err
~/.X.out
fi
}
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Re: Debian multimedia repository
On 02/08/12 02:47 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Donnerstag, 2. August 2012 schrieb Yaro Kasear: On 08/01/2012 11:06 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 01/08/12 11:52 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: On 08/01/2012 02:55 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 01 aug 12, 22:30:52, Teemu Likonen wrote: Titanus Eramius [2012-08-01 21:18:03 +0200] wrote: My 2 cents on this is, that once packages is installed from Debian Multimedia it's very hard to go back to stable. But if one keeps using Debian Multimedia there are rarely any problems. Now I got curious because that sound so general. What makes it very hard? In my experience installing and removing packages has always been easy in Debian. The versioning scheme of Deb Multimedia packages is meant to take priority over the Debian proper packages, but this can create problems under certain circumstances. Kind regards, Andrei I haven't been using Debian as long as many on this list. Are failures with Debian-Multimedia that overtly common or are they rather circumstantial? It's not failures so much as conflicts. Certain Debian packages will not upgrade because the requisite libraries have been replaced by Debian-multimedia ones. It's a shame because there are some very nice tools in Debian-multimedia that I'd love to be able to use but not at the expense of core Debian packages. And how promptly do the Debian-Multimedia developers resolve these conflicts? Is this a big issue or just an occasional minor hiccup? From what I see in the debian-multimedia discussion mailing list Christian is quite responsive to bug reports. But conflicts? I don´t know. I´d suggest to subscribe to that mailinglist and ask there. It's not Christian's fault that there are incompatibilities. There are things in the programs he packages that require libraries to be compiled differently from the ones in the Debian repositories. He's aware of the conflicts but is not in a position to resolve them as far as I can tell. It may not even be possible to resolve them. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/501ad234.7050...@rogers.com
bug kde 4.8.4
bug KDE 4.8.4 DEBIAN SID august-02-2012 just add widget on desktop plasma , select; GET NEW WIDGET... --- DOWNLOAD NEW GOOGLE GADGETS and wait 7 secons. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1.rigth click on destop 2.add widget 3.download new google gadgets 4..waith 7 seconds Actual Results: black screen my video on youtube http://youtu.be/cj_KNLGH6hs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1343935248.13831.6.camel@taller
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
Glenn writes: If I buy an audio cassette of something, I've paid for the content. No. You've paid for the audio cassette. It seems reasonable to me that I have the right to make a copy of what I bought with machinery I own. I agree. The law does not. Making copies of the work [1] is the exclusive right of the copyright owner. ...but our masters have decided not to provide such. They are not your masters. You don't need their stuff. Make your own or get it from people who share your values. [1] A work, in copyright law, is the abstraction that a copy is a physical embodiment of. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vch185b1@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Printers using free software only
On 02/08/12 19:54, Brian wrote: On Thu 02 Aug 2012 at 20:17:27 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Montag, 23. Juli 2012 schrieb Brian: All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to output in PDF format when printing. Haven´t there been plans to switch CUPS to use PDF internally as well? May I repeat the URL given previously: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/pdfasstandardprintjobformat Having applications produce output in PDF was all part of the plan to have the complete printing workflow with CUPS use PDF. All the essentials are now in place. It has been a truly remarkable effort. It seems to be a good plan. I can see the advantages in it. A pity it doesn't quite seem to work for me. I use a Brother HL5250DN printer, which used to work fine. For a while now I've been unable to print from Iceweasel to that printer (it works on my Epson Stylus Color 470, although I can't get the margins set right). I believe this is due to Brother's BRScript Postscript emulation. I know some fixes are in place for that, but it still doesn't work - just prints an error page. Recently gedit has failed to print properly, just prints a line of gobbldegook followed by several blank pages. -- Dom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/501ad4e0@rpdom.net
Re: replacing GDM with a script
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote: I am running 3 Linux distros with Sid as my main one. I am curious to know if it's possible to replace GDM with a BASH script. The issue is complicated because I run 3 window managers with Sid and a similar situation with the other 2 distros. Googling the problem hasn't turned up much of interest. I am in Sid most of the time, so the script could only apply here. Does anyone have any suggestions? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=271674 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SxFso5kxrKhbEuVhJkO8bkykjOKnAqzzzh=u_ionno...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Shockwave Flash
Hi Fred! Please quote properly, please do not top-post. Am Mittwoch, 1. August 2012 schrieb Fred Zinsli: Em 01-08-2012 12:27, Gary Dale escreveu: On 01/08/12 10:11 AM, Kent West wrote: If you haven't already tried it, aptitude install gnash Do you have recent experience with gnash? The last time I tried it, it didn't work very well. I'd prefer to use it over proprietary software. **apt-get remove gnash* Did that. Also removed flashplugin-nonfree as I had both installed. Removed symbolic links in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins. Checked both chromium and firefox to see if any flash plugin was installed, non was. apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree Did that after I removed everything else. Installed without error. Chromium and firefox state that the flashplugin-nonfree is installed, but I cannot view any flash sites at all. Both browsers report the following as installed plugins: Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 Works here just fine. Shockwave Flash Datei: libflashplayer.so Version: Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 Exact same version. So I am puzzled. Maybe some extension is interfering? What does cannot view any flash sites at all exactly mean? What happens if you try. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120804.30680.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: Printers using free software only
Martin Steigerwald wrote at 2012-08-02 13:19 -0500: I am quite confident my HP OfficeJet 5610 doesn´t contain such a nasty firmware, as I am using it for a real long time now. True according to http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/officejet/officejet_5600_series.html (search for driver plug-in and see note 8. Some HP printers are supported by HPLIP *with* a proprietary plug-in. This seems to be clearly stated on the printers' support pages as at the above link. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Display Resolution
Hello list; First of all, this is a duplicate of a posting I made on the XFCE Desktop forum, with one update. I have not received a reply there, so I figured I'd give this list a shot, especially since this is probably not XFCE related. I am working with a clean install of Debian Squeeze, with the XFCE window manager task selected. My primary problem is my screen resolution, with a secondary problem of only having something displayed on the left monitor. I have a Dell Precision T5500, with dual monitors (sorry, I am unable to supply a model number for the monitors. If there is one, they managed to hide it quite effectively). The PC has dual video cards, but I am unsure just what they are. lspci gives me VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 0df8 (rev a1) I can crack the case and physically look if that is needed. (UPDATE: The cards are both nVidia Quadro 600) I can live with one display, but I am going to go blind if I do not fix the resolution. I am unable to set the resolution to the optimal of 1920x1200@60Hz. The display setting insists on 1600x1200@0Hz. I am using a DVI cable for both monitors, with the cable to the primary monitor plugged into DVI Connector-1 on the monitor, and the cable for the secondary monitor plugged into DVI Connector-2 on the monitor. I have resolved similar issues in the past by using cvt and xrandr, but not this time: ~$ cvt 1920 1200 60 # 1920x1200 59.88 Hz (CVT 2.30MA) hsync: 74.56 kHz; pclk: 193.25 MHz Modeline 1920x1200_60.00 193.25 1920 2056 2256 2592 1200 1203 1209 1245 -hsync +vsync ~$ xrandr --newmode 1920x1200_60.00 193.25 1920 2056 2256 2592 1200 1203 1209 1245 -hsync +vsync xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default ~$ xrandr --addmode default 1920x1200_60.00 xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default ~$ xrandr --output default --mode 1920x1200_60.00 xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed I am unsure what either of the errors mean, nor how to proceed from here. Would anyone mind advising me as to what my next step should be? Thanks, Nelson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/bay160-w166d91b95d71b60dce39caad...@phx.gbl
Re: GNU find: print0 and -type arguments
Hi! Bill Unruh allowed me to post his personal answer to the list. He answered personally cause otherwise he would get the whole mailing list in the mail instead due to some newsgroup gateway stuff. On Thursday, 2. August 2012 he wrote: In linux.debian.user, you wrote: Am Donnerstag, 2. August 2012 schrieb Bob Proulx: I see (on a terminal screen that does not display null characters): ../dir./file You have the order of arguments backwards. You wanted to say this: find -type d -print That would do the right thing. Doing it the other way around doesn't make any sense. Sure it makes sense. It says, take the name print it, then if that is successful, test if it is a directory. Thus find -ls -type d -print will list all files, and those are directories will then print it as well. o Eg here is part of the output from that command. Note that all of the directories have both the ls -l listing and the name printed out, while the files only have the first. Of course if by it does not make sense you meant that if the -type d was at the end of the list of find commands, it would have no consequences for the output, then you are right. 4203774 drwxrwx--- 2 unruhunruh4096 Jul 25 17:22 ./.urpmi-500/rpms ./.urpmi-500/rpms 293597 172 -r--r--r-- 1 root root 175070 May 18 14:20 ./acroread-plugins-weblink-9.4.6-0.1-mdv2011.0.i586.rpm 2766824 drwx-- 4 root root 4096 Jul 31 12:05 ./systemd-namespace-cBR4sm ./systemd-namespace-cBR4sm I thought find would work that way first and then chose to think otherwise due to my own tests which didn´t take the implicit and in account: I think doing it the other way around will just use -print0 on everything since no criteria yet specified and then apply the filter and then probably do nothing as an action has already been specified (hence no implicite -print at the end). Well more so, find seems to stop at the first action: martin@merkaba:~/Zeit mkdir find-Test martin@merkaba:~/Zeit cd find-Test martin@merkaba:~/Zeit/find-Test ls martin@merkaba:~/Zeit/find-Test mkdir dir martin@merkaba:~/Zeit/find-Test touch file martin@merkaba:~/Zeit/find-Test touch anotherfile martin@merkaba:~/Zeit/find-Test find -type d -print -name file -printf %s %p -name anotherfile -print0 Uh, remember that any entry goes through the list. Thus the -type d weeks out everything but directories and applies the following criteia to that. The rule is that there is an implicit and between the items. find -type d and -print and -name file and -print %s %p and -name anotherfile and -print0 There is no file whose name is both file and anotherfile. So, on the direcory dir it passes the first test, it passes the second test (which is have I printed it out) it fails the third, and the terminates the commmands because of the logical and On file it fails the first test, since it is not a directory. On anotherfile similarly. f you wanted or ratehr than and you have to explicitly put in a -o (for or) between the tests. find (-type d -print) -o ( -name file -printf %s %p ) -o ( -name anotherfile -print0 ) With some escaping gives: martin@merkaba:~/Zeit/find-Test find \( -type d -print \) -o \( -name file -printf %s %p \) -o \( -name anotherfile -print0 \) . ./anotherfile./dir 0 ./file% martin@merkaba:~/Zeit/find-Test Which is the same as without braces: martin@merkaba:~/Zeit/find-Test find -type d -print -o -name file - printf %s %p -o -name anotherfile -print0 . ./anotherfile./dir 0 ./file% Now I am wondering about the order. Why does find print another file before .dir and file after another file? Bill in case you have an idea I´d happily post your answer to the list once again if you allow me ;) Regards, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201208022246.31737.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: replacing GDM with a script
On 08/02/2012 03:59 PM, Frank McCormick wrote:
On 02/08/12 03:00 PM, Wayne Topa wrote:
On 08/02/2012 12:33 PM, Darac Marjal wrote:
On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 12:22:27PM -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
I am running 3 Linux distros with Sid as my main one. I am curious
to know if it's possible to replace GDM with a BASH script. The
issue is complicated because I run 3 window managers with Sid and a
similar situation with the other 2 distros. Googling the problem
hasn't turned up much of interest. I am in Sid most of the time, so
the script could only apply here. Does anyone have any suggestions?
With all the same functionality? Unlikely.
As a simple mystartxsession? Probably. Try looking at how the
simpler display-managers work (lightdm, slim, nodm etc).
I have been using this in my .bashrc file for years. Maybe it could
help you? I have never used GDM.
x()
{
depth=${1:-24}
for i in `seq 0 4`; do if [ ! -f /tmp/.X${i}-lock ]; then D=$i;
break; fi; done
if [ -z $D ]; then
echo No free virtual terminal
else
/usr/bin/startx -- :${D} -depth 24 -dpi 96 2 ~/.X.err
~/.X.out
fi
}
I assume I'd have to disable (or remove) GDM. How do you use it ?
I don't see why , but remember I have never used gdm and don't have it
installed.
1. Add the above to .bashrc
2. run . .bashrc to reread the .bashrc file
3. to run it just type an x to go to X.
HTH
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Re: Display Resolution
On Jo, 02 aug 12, 15:38:45, Nelson Green wrote: I am unsure what either of the errors mean, nor how to proceed from here. Would anyone mind advising me as to what my next step should be? Please attach your full /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf (if any). Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: links won't open using icedove/wheezy
hi whit, 1. icedove does not open external links. it opened the browser, but did not handover the URL. I had to got to the KDE systemsettings and manually change the file association (program which is called) entry to iceweasel %u (or x-www-browser %u, setting up the system alternatives to iceweasel.) for all http/https. I've found most of what you mentioned and have made changes but I still only get my home page in Iceweasel, not the link in the email I clik on. Is that what you get? Can you get to Iceweasel but not to the exact link? that was the initial erroneous behaviour. things changed with setting file-associations to x-www-browser %u in the systemsettings. see point 1. above. Also, you mention in user_prefs, the line in pref.js user_pref(network.protocol-handler.external.http, true); Well, I don't have that specific line in my user_prefs. Did you add the line or just change the false to true? I probably inserted it on the way to fix the misbehaviour. and will check how ID behaves without it. maybe it's the cause for your momentary misbehaviour, maybe it's what you have to add to get it to work. definitively, it triggers the add mailserver starttls problem. I'm at a loss. my advice: check the file-associations, so that x-extension-*html, etc. call either iceweasel directly with a %u as parameter, or use the x-www-browser %u mechanisem. to set your system-default browser there, go to a shell and enter the following command: sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser choose iceweasel or whatever you want to use. to check, whether that works, you can call x-www-browser http://google.com from a shell. iceweasel (or what ever you did set with the command above) should open google.com I've found some info in bugtracking but it's from 2007 and it's talking about not getting to iceweasel. Again, I can get to Iceweasel but not the exact link. I didn't find any useful information there... TIA for your help. Whit have a nice one good luck günter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/501af38d.6040...@gmx.net
Re: Printers using free software only
On Thu 02 Aug 2012 at 20:28:32 +0100, Dom wrote: On 02/08/12 19:54, Brian wrote: On Thu 02 Aug 2012 at 20:17:27 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Montag, 23. Juli 2012 schrieb Brian: All the major applications on the popular DEs are now geared up to output in PDF format when printing. Haven´t there been plans to switch CUPS to use PDF internally as well? May I repeat the URL given previously: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/pdfasstandardprintjobformat Having applications produce output in PDF was all part of the plan to have the complete printing workflow with CUPS use PDF. All the essentials are now in place. It has been a truly remarkable effort. It seems to be a good plan. I can see the advantages in it. A pity it doesn't quite seem to work for me. I use a Brother HL5250DN printer, which used to work fine. For a while now I've been unable to print from Iceweasel to that printer (it works on my Epson Stylus Color 470, although I can't get the margins set right). I believe this is due to Brother's BRScript Postscript emulation. I know some fixes are in place for that, but it still doesn't work - just prints an error page. Recently gedit has failed to print properly, just prints a line of gobbldegook followed by several blank pages. This thread has wandered in some very interesting ways from the original question posed. For suggestions to solve a specific problem, howver, you might be better off with opening a new thread. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120802214845.GD6660@desktop
Re: links won't open using icedove/wheezy
hi whit, Also, you mention in user_prefs, the line in pref.js user_pref(network.protocol-handler.external.http, true); Well, I don't have that specific line in my user_prefs. Did you add the line or just change the false to true? I probably inserted it on the way to fix the misbehaviour. and will check how ID behaves without it. maybe it's the cause for your momentary misbehaviour, maybe it's what you have to add to get it to work. definitively, it triggers the add mailserver starttls problem. I removed the line completely, and icedove behaves as designed. no more error with the starttls-problem, but still opening links in x-www-browser correctly. so, it was a leftover from a try on figuring out how to solve, which caused the next error... :( hope you have luck with the systemsettings. cheers günter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/501af5c6.3060...@gmx.net
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
On Jo, 02 aug 12, 09:41:59, Celejar wrote: Well, we'll have to agree to disagree here, as we're just disagreeing over irreducible first principles. I, and the law, think that it is reasonable and fair that the creator of certain types of intellectual / cultural artifacts should be entitled to some sort of restrictions on who can utilize and implement those ideas; you disagree. The creator? Sure! But the creators are rarely -- and mostly only in a small proportion -- the beneficiaries of selling copies of their creation. Also, as far as I know several works that are now considered to be very important/inovative/etc. actually had a hard time getting published. How many others did not make it? The internet levels the playing field and basically allows anyone to publish their works with minimal resources. Eventually the content consumers may realise that the value of a creation is rarely directly proportional to the resources invested in creating, replicating and distributing it. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]
On Mi, 01 aug 12, 20:23:35, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:45:27 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Mi, 01 aug 12, 00:59:29, Yaro Kasear wrote: On 07/31/2012 01:42 PM, Celejar wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:30:50 +0300 Andrei POPESCUandreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 19 iul 12, 22:50:25, Celejar wrote: Quite true - and completely irrelevant to my point. I don't deny that money can be made with FLOSS, just that it's pointless to try to sell copies of one's software if it's freely copyable. The examples you give are all of models other than the straightforward sale of licenses or copies. IMO a business model that relies on the possibility to sell copies that basically cost nothing to produce is broken. Is this a moral claim, a business one, a legal one, or just plain dogma? [The line to which you are responding is mine, not Yaro's.] Yes I know, and I thought the levels of quoting show that, or don't they? Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Display Resolution
On Jo, 02 aug 12, 16:54:41, Nelson Green wrote: Thanks for the reply. I can't believe I didn't think to look for a log file related to this. And no, there is no xorg.conf, just the Xorg.0.log file. It is quite large, but here it is. I see some interesting lines about the display in it. Am I missing a driver? For some reason your cards run with the vesa driver instead of nouveau. Maybe nouveau doesn't support your cards? I'm reluctant to suggest this, but you probably need the nvidia driver (package nvidia-glx in section non-free) to get full support for your cards. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Display Resolution
On 2012-08-03 00:09 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 02 aug 12, 16:54:41, Nelson Green wrote: Thanks for the reply. I can't believe I didn't think to look for a log file related to this. And no, there is no xorg.conf, just the Xorg.0.log file. It is quite large, but here it is. I see some interesting lines about the display in it. Am I missing a driver? For some reason your cards run with the vesa driver instead of nouveau. Maybe nouveau doesn't support your cards? The nouveau version in squeeze does not support these cards, they should work in wheezy though. I'm reluctant to suggest this, but you probably need the nvidia driver (package nvidia-glx in section non-free) to get full support for your cards. Let's hope that security is not Nelson's main concern then¹. Cheers, Sven ¹ http://lwn.net/Articles/509131/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87wr1h2av2@turtle.gmx.de
Re: links won't open using icedove/wheezy
On 08/02/2012 05:48 PM, chymian wrote: hi whit, Also, you mention in user_prefs, the line in pref.js user_pref(network.protocol-handler.external.http, true); Well, I don't have that specific line in my user_prefs. Did you add the line or just change the false to true? I probably inserted it on the way to fix the misbehaviour. and will check how ID behaves without it. maybe it's the cause for your momentary misbehaviour, maybe it's what you have to add to get it to work. definitively, it triggers the add mailserver starttls problem. I removed the line completely, and icedove behaves as designed. no more error with the starttls-problem, but still opening links in x-www-browser correctly. so, it was a leftover from a try on figuring out how to solve, which caused the next error... :( hope you have luck with the systemsettings. cheers günter Gunter, let me verify what your original problem was with icedove. Were you unable to get to iceweasel when you clicked on a link in icedove or were you able to get to iceweasel home page but not the actual link you were trying to open? I appreciate your comments and want to get this darned thing fixed but need to know I'm working on the right thing. I can get to iceweasel but I always get the home page. I don't get the specific link I'm trying for. Oh, and I figued out why I did not see that actual line as mentioned. I was looking at prefs.js from the command line using cat prefs.js. When looking at the file in that manner all you get are those which have content and are marked true and I didn't find out how to change it until I went to the config editor button in preferences-Advanced- General-config editor. So much fun. :-) Regards and TIA Whit -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/501affae.7020...@comcast.net
Re: Display Resolution
On Fri 03 Aug 2012 at 01:09:03 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 02 aug 12, 16:54:41, Nelson Green wrote: Thanks for the reply. I can't believe I didn't think to look for a log file related to this. And no, there is no xorg.conf, just the Xorg.0.log file. It is quite large, but here it is. I see some interesting lines about the display in it. Am I missing a driver? For some reason your cards run with the vesa driver instead of nouveau. Maybe nouveau doesn't support your cards? I'm reluctant to suggest this, but you probably need the nvidia driver (package nvidia-glx in section non-free) to get full support for your cards. Before he gets into that, it could be worth checking with dpkg -l | grep xserver-xorg-video that the nouveau package is installed. Also dmesg | grep nouveau will indicate whether the nouveau module is loaded. Could it be that a newer kernel is required for the Quado 600? http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/CodeNames/ As a matter of interest, the EDID information in the log gives the type of monitor used. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120802224852.GE6660@desktop
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 14:25:22 -0500 John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: ... They are not your masters. You don't need their stuff. Make your own or get it from people who share your values. This is dogma. There is a great deal of software, and certainly other cultural material (books, movies, music) out there which has no FLOSS equivalent, and I don't have the time / skill to manufacture my own. What does that mean, anyway? Is it really reasonable to refuse to read all books that have not been released under a FLOSS license? Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120802185036.61c02aa1.cele...@gmail.com
Power Management not functioning
Hi, I am using Squeeze amd 6.05 and yesterday after a reboot my Mecer 32 1360x768 Monitor/TV no longer goes to sleep after 10 minutes, being working fine for months. Only the screen saver works now. I am using Gnome. The only thing I might have stuffed up was installing nVidia drivers from the backports and then uninstalling them when nVidia driver gave me a max resolution of 800x600 as per one of my previous posts. That's the only thing I fiddled with recently. Any ideas guys? -- Cheers Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/501b05da.2050...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
Celejar writes: This is dogma. It's just advice to someone who seems to think that owning copyrights makes the publishers his masters. There is a great deal of software, and certainly other cultural material (books, movies, music) out there which has no FLOSS equivalent, and I don't have the time / skill to manufacture my own. Do as you will. The point is, you don't actually _need_ that stuff. You peruse it by choice (and so do I (except for the movies)). Is it really reasonable to refuse to read all books that have not been released under a FLOSS license? It is evidently feasible to not read at all. I'm sure you have neighbors and/or coworkers who are living example of that. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r4ro993v@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
On 08/02/2012 11:00 AM, Brad Alexander wrote: On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Celejarcele...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:50:37 -0500 John Haslerjhas...@newsguy.com wrote: Celejar writes: ...so just because the marginal cost of duplication is zero, why is is unreasonable for it to charge per copy? It is entirely reasonable for them to charge whatever they see fit for copies they make, but why should your producers be able to charge for copies other people make from copies those people own when the producers incur no costs and none of their property is involved? If the producers don't want me to make copies of the copies they sell me they can refrain from selling to me or condition the sale on contractual terms that limit what copying I can do. Why should I be forbidden by statute to create copies of objects that I own? Well, we'll have to agree to disagree here, as we're just disagreeing over irreducible first principles. I, and the law, think that it is reasonable and fair that the creator of certain types of intellectual / cultural artifacts should be entitled to some sort of restrictions on who can utilize and implement those ideas; you disagree. The thing I don't understand is that the content producers bang on about intellectual property which, if I am understanding correctly (and I believe I am) is the *content*. The music or movie or whatever. So let's look at a practical example. I bought, say for the sake of argument, Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. I bought it when I was a teenager on cassette. A few years later, it comes out on 8-track...Then on CD. Or, what about a movie. Bought it on BetaMax, which was forced into obsolescence by teh content producers, so then it was out on VHS, then LaserDisc, then DVD, now Blu-ray. If it is about the intellectual property, why do I have to buy the *same* IP every time the industry decides to change formats? In theory, if IP is the item with cost associated with it, if I have paid for it once, I should have a right to it regardless of what format it is in. It's akin to the grocery store charging you for the state of the food you buy. Well, it was raw when we first charged you, now it is cooked...Okay, now it is on a plate, so that is an extra charge, and so forth. Am I wrong here? (I'm not saying they'll change, just that it is a specious argument) --b If you want to copy your beta-max recording to a blu-ray disk for your own use, that's fair usage, and no violation of the copyright. However, if you SELL the copy (and keep the original) that's a violation for which you could be prosecuted. You would be making money off of somebody else's work, and that's a definite no-no! --doug -- Blessed are the peacekeepers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/501b131d.7040...@optonline.net
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
On Aug 2, 2012, at 5:17 PM, John Hasler wrote: It's just advice to someone who seems to think that owning copyrights makes the publishers his masters. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have used that word. I wasn't thinking that Disney is my master. I was thinking of lawyers and politicians -- the people who make our laws, and who run the police and jails. You're right. I don't need Disney, but the people I was talking about can be a real PITA... However, Disney does have total control over things they own and have created. Just like I do over stuff I create. -- Glenn English hand-wrapped from my Apple Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5b3b64da-f1ca-4202-b9f8-e97a1331f...@slsware.com
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 02 aug 12, 09:41:59, Celejar wrote: Well, we'll have to agree to disagree here, as we're just disagreeing over irreducible first principles. I, and the law, think that it is reasonable and fair that the creator of certain types of intellectual / cultural artifacts should be entitled to some sort of restrictions on who can utilize and implement those ideas; you disagree. The creator? Sure! But the creators are rarely -- and mostly only in a small proportion -- the beneficiaries of selling copies of their creation. Also, as far as I know several works that are now considered to be very important/inovative/etc. actually had a hard time getting published. How many others did not make it? Agreed. I remember the hype about Napster in the late 90s. They did a study of how much the artist got from a $0.99 track. It turned out to be 1/10,000 of a cent. And there have been several cases where the labels have come down on the artists for releasing their own music on the internets. One was the Beastie Boys. They were threatened with legal action. The other was the group of artists that made the megadownload video/music. BMG was (illegally) going in to youtube and claiming copyright and pulling the ad down. --b -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakmzw+zxkwomahcivgqyx8437hg-mzmrmghtoygvv4+jqex...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:17:56 -0500 John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: Celejar writes: This is dogma. It's just advice to someone who seems to think that owning copyrights makes the publishers his masters. Fair enough. There is a great deal of software, and certainly other cultural material (books, movies, music) out there which has no FLOSS equivalent, and I don't have the time / skill to manufacture my own. Do as you will. The point is, you don't actually _need_ that stuff. Quite true. You peruse it by choice (and so do I (except for the movies)). Agreed. Is it really reasonable to refuse to read all books that have not been released under a FLOSS license? It is evidently feasible to not read at all. I'm sure you have neighbors and/or coworkers who are living example of that. True. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120802210906.e5e93d35.cele...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
On 03/08/12 02:09, Celejar wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:17:56 -0500 John Haslerjhas...@newsguy.com wrote: Celejar writes: This is dogma. It's just advice to someone who seems to think that owning copyrights makes the publishers his masters. Fair enough. There is a great deal of software, and certainly other cultural material (books, movies, music) out there which has no FLOSS equivalent, and I don't have the time / skill to manufacture my own. Do as you will. The point is, you don't actually _need_ that stuff. Quite true. You peruse it by choice (and so do I (except for the movies)). Agreed. Is it really reasonable to refuse to read all books that have not been released under a FLOSS license? It is evidently feasible to not read at all. I'm sure you have neighbors and/or coworkers who are living example of that. True. Celejar Ho hum. I just have to wade in with one additional point. Back in the day I remember when CD-ROMs were being promoted/released. I think it was on Blue Peter. They demonstrated how robust a medium it was by spreading marmalade (it's like jam) on the thing, wiping it off and showing that it still worked. These days I don't dare look sideways at a CDs or DVDs in case they catch a scratch. I'm backing up my collection onto hard disk and I'm using a CD/DVD repair kit, and I have to use it once or twice on those items I watch more frequently, oh gee, I must have watched that one a lot, out with the repair kit. This is all going to change once augmented reality really kicks in - last time I checked you could still invite friends over to watch a movie or listen to music. Once your place becomes virtual, no copyright laws are being broken, or am I wrong here? Regards, Philip Ashmore -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/501b29c6.6000...@philipashmore.com
GRUB no long gives menu on boot
Greetings, I have the following setup which worked well after performing a squeeze install: /boot - Software RAID5 / - LVM on top of Software RAID5 I lost a disk of my RAID array a few months ago and ever since replacing it and rebuilding the arrays, I no longer get a menu of kernels to boot from in GRUB. Instead I get a prompt. I have tried reinstalling GRUB from a Squeeze rescue flash drive, but there is no change. Comments and help appreciated. Thanks, -mz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOLfK3UXXYa=_wy+vkjpsqerjcwb66ortkhke57jkpbwemb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: replacing GDM with a script
On 02/08/12 04:19 PM, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote: I am running 3 Linux distros with Sid as my main one. I am curious to know if it's possible to replace GDM with a BASH script. The issue is complicated because I run 3 window managers with Sid and a similar situation with the other 2 distros. Googling the problem hasn't turned up much of interest. I am in Sid most of the time, so the script could only apply here. Does anyone have any suggestions? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=271674 Interesting stuff. You can have 3-4-5 X sessions each with a different window manager. It works when run from a TTY but I can't get it working from a terminal in an existing session, despite what the author claims. What's more interesting is it doesn't seem to any much of an additional load on the CPU. I am sure there is one but the effect is minimal. However still far away from my original idea of replacing GDM with a BASH script(s). But a lot closer than I was this morning :) -- Cheers Frank -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/501b2fee.2010...@videotron.ca
Re: Shockwave Flash
Hi Fred! Please quote properly, please do not top-post. Am Mittwoch, 1. August 2012 schrieb Fred Zinsli: Em 01-08-2012 12:27, Gary Dale escreveu: On 01/08/12 10:11 AM, Kent West wrote: If you haven't already tried it, aptitude install gnash Do you have recent experience with gnash? The last time I tried it, it didn't work very well. I'd prefer to use it over proprietary software. **apt-get remove gnash* Did that. Also removed flashplugin-nonfree as I had both installed. Removed symbolic links in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins. Checked both chromium and firefox to see if any flash plugin was installed, non was. apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree Did that after I removed everything else. Installed without error. Chromium and firefox state that the flashplugin-nonfree is installed, but I cannot view any flash sites at all. Both browsers report the following as installed plugins: Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 Works here just fine. Shockwave Flash Datei: libflashplayer.so Version: Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 Exact same version. So I am puzzled. Maybe some extension is interfering? What does cannot view any flash sites at all exactly mean? What happens if you try. I get a black screen with nothing else shown. But it now works with gnash installed. The only problem I get now is some sites report flash 6.something required. But thats what you get when you travel the flash website path, so I avoid them. Regards Fred Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120804.30680.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: replacing GDM with a script
On Jo, 02 aug 12, 12:22:27, Frank McCormick wrote: I am running 3 Linux distros with Sid as my main one. I am curious to know if it's possible to replace GDM with a BASH script. The issue is complicated because I run 3 window managers with Sid and a similar situation with the other 2 distros. Googling the problem hasn't turned up much of interest. I am in Sid most of the time, so the script could only apply here. Does anyone have any suggestions? It's unclear to me what you want to achieve by replacing gdm with bash scripts. Could you elaborate? http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Display Resolution
On Jo, 02 aug 12, 23:48:52, Brian wrote: Before he gets into that, it could be worth checking with dpkg -l | grep xserver-xorg-video that the nouveau package is installed. Unless I'm mistaken, his Xorg.0.log indicates nouveau is already installed. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Screen locking in squeeze.
On 2 August 2012 19:12, Sharon Kimble skimbl...@gmail.com wrote: I seem to have lost the ability to lock my screen. I cant do it from the keyboard with CTRL+ALT+l [lower case L] and neither from the system menu. Can anyone suggest how I can get it back please? Thanks Sharon. I've just rebooted in an effort to get the screen lock back, but its still not working. I've even installed the screen lock applet for the taskbar, but that doesn't work either. And I suspect that the screensaver will not kick in either, so what has happened to kill it off? Could it be any of these please that were very recently installed from an upgrade;- lockfile-progs 0.1.15 = 0.1.15+squeeze1 xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.13.0-6 = 2:2.13.0-7 xsltproc 1.1.26-6 = 1.1.26-6+squeeze1 i'm just clutching at straws, brain storming and trying to fix it. Thanks Sharon. -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/index.html efever = http://www.efever.blogspot.com/ efever = http://sharon04.livejournal.com/ Debian 6,0.5, Gnome 1:2.30+7, LibreOffice 3.5.5 Registered Linux user 334501 -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/index.html efever = http://www.efever.blogspot.com/ efever = http://sharon04.livejournal.com/ Debian 6,0.5, Gnome 1:2.30+7, LibreOffice 3.5.5 Registered Linux user 334501 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cam9u--cp1l82ku-bwpua4+klct5mjpyjr8_r4wpwrg81roi...@mail.gmail.com
Re: epub or mobi
On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:46:50 -0400, Brad Alexander wrote: Epub files are the closer to a standardized format, whereas mobi is more proprietary. The other reason I prefer epub is that it is, in essence, html docs in a zip file format. You can unzip title,epub get a listing of html files: I'm sold instantly! Thanks a lot everyone! -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/ http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jvfk13$2o7$1...@dough.gmane.org
DNS Lookups
I have configured 2 vlan interfaces on debian lenny box. The 2 interface ip's are 192.168.6.5 and 192..168.8.5. I would like making dns queries from this ip 192.168.6.5. What can be done to ensure that a dns query is made using specific response ip? Thanks in advance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAJbW+r=lrk76zlzynpa96mjg-3ohubxxar0mw6wkwlqssa-...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Help identifying an old wireless card
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.comwrote: Any particular reason to write in private? Feel free to put back on list. On Mi, 01 aug 12, 00:25:42, istimsak abdulbasir wrote: On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: [8.517526] radeon_cp: Failed to load firmware radeon/R100_cp.bin [8.517583] [drm:r100_cp_init] *ERROR* Failed to load firmware! [8.517634] radeon :01:00.0: failled initializing CP (-2). [8.517683] radeon :01:00.0: Disabling GPU acceleration You can get rid of this by installing firmare-linux-nofree (from non-free of course). Could you use this packages to install non-free drivers for devices on debian? Is the preferred way? Please elaborate, I don't understand what you mean. Sorry, wasn't paying attention. What I meant to say, when you enable the non-free repos, will this also install the proprietary drivers for your system? I figured you had to do it manually. Kind regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein)
Re: Vollopend geheugen door Adobe Flash
Maar wat dus nou uiteindelijk het hele probleem was: de Adobe flashplugin plaatst zo'n hele video in /tmp, en als /tmp als tmpfs is gemount, dan komt dit een beetje ongelukkig uit, vooral als er niet zo veel RAM aanwezig is. Uit de documentie van mijn favoriete E-mail programma: ENVIRONMENT TMPDIR Directory in which temporary files are created. En in .bashrc heb export TMPDIR=/srv/ami/stapperstemp staan, waarbij /srv/ami/stapperstemp een directory is op een filesystem met volop ruimte. Als het meezit dan heeft de opvolger van Adobe Flash ook zo iets. Dus iets waar jij eigenaar van jouw computer zelf bepaalt waar tijdelijke files komen. Cheers Geert Stappers signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Vollopend geheugen?
On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 10:03:12AM +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote: Op 02-08-12 01:02, Heiko Noordhof schreef: On 08/02/2012 12:26 AM, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: Ik eh, denk dat ik er een beetje uit ben. Bij tmpfs wordt naar een virtueel filesysteem in de RAM geschreven. Voor tmpfs is in Debian standaard maximaal de helft van die RAM beschikbaar. Tel je de beschikbare ruimtes voor tmpfs, zoals weergegeven in de df- output, bij elkaar op, dan krijg je inderdaad 103344 + 5120 + 206688 + 206688 1k-blocks, dit is zo'n 500 MB, zijnde de helft van mijn 1 GB RAM. Nu zou ik de grens voor /tmp kunnen verhogen: mount -t tmpfs -o size=400m tmpfs /tmp maar het beste zou zijn om meer RAM in de machine te prikken. ...of /tmp gewoon op schijf mounten in plaats van 'tmpfs'. Dan hoe je die RAM niet bij te kopen. Ik vind dat tmpfs een wat vreemde filosofie: /tmp was toch bedoeld om data die te groot wordt voor RAM tijdelijk op schijf te zetten? 'tmpfs' is een manier om het (met wat overhead) alsnog in RAM te zetten. En als het dan te veel wordt, loopt de RAM vol. De programmeur had zich dat al bedacht toen hij/zij besloot dat er maar wat data naar /tmp moest... Er worden ook best vaak dingen naar /tmp geschreven die helemaal niet te groot zijn voor RAM. Grootte van bestanden naar temp dir wordt bepaalt door het programma in kwestie. Een C-compiler heeft hele andere tijdelijke bestanden dan een video player. Terug naar tmpfs. tmpfs is een mooi idee wat erg goed invulling geeft aan Used memory is wasted memory Vrij geheugen gebruiken voor tijdelijke bestanden is erg nuttig. En zo als het vaker het geval is: Voordelen hebben hun prijs. Het kan zo maar voorkomen dat de tijdige opslag te klein is. De betere programma's laten hun opdrachtgever instellen wat de plaats is voor tijdelijke bestanden. Dat kan een environment variable zijn, het kan in een configuratie bestand zijn. Groeten Geert Stappers -- And is there a policy on top-posting vs. bottom-posting? Yes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-dutch-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
