date:20140521

Le mercredi 21 mai 2014, 09:57:11 fabrice régnier a écrit :
  Sur mon système, c'est init qui est utilisé (pid 0)

  Deux fois non :
1. c’est le PID 1, il n’y a pas de PID 0 ;
2. si c’est l’ancien défaut, c’est sysv-rc qui est utilisé.
  « init » est un nom générique.

  Que dit un ls -al /sbin/init  ?
 
 FR-PORT:~# ls -al /sbin/init
 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 40552 avril  7 11:54 /sbin/init
 
 pourquoi cette question ? pour être certain de ne pas avoir de
 lien vers un autre système d'init ?

  systemd apparaît sous le nom « init » dans ps et /sbin/init 
est un lien symbolique vers /lib/systemd/systemd.

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Re: Changer le stockage pop de kmail

Le mercredi 21 mai 2014, 00:12:20 Arathor a écrit :
 Salut à tous,

’lut,

[…] Donc je voudrais passer le répertoire de Mail à .Mail, […]

  Pour info, sur une installation neuve, le chemin par défaut du 
dépôt local (Maildir) est maintenant ~/.local/share/local-mail.

  Le type de ressource Akonadi est « Local Folders » / 
« Dossiers locaux ». Tu peux changer le répertoire en passant 
par la configuration KDE (globale) / icône « Informations 
personnelles ».

  Je suppose qu’une façon simple de faire serait de :
1. s’assurer que Kmail ne tourne pas (pas de réception
  automatisée en cours, etc.) ;
2. déplacer Mail dans .Mail ;
3. indiquer à Akonadi que le répertoire est maintenant .Mail ;
4. serrer les doigts et croiser les fesses…

  Note : il y a parfois (sûrement suivant les versions de 
Akonadi/Kmail2) un répertoire .rép-de-base.directory qui est 
créé _à l’extérieur_ du répertoire de base…

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plugin meteo: gnome classic

2014-05-21 Thread admini


bonjour la liste,

par ce temps magnifique pour le jardinage, j'ai voulu donc activer mon 
bulletin météo du calendrier de mon gnome classic (orage?). mais c'est 
très imprécis car pour la ville de paris (en france), il me propose au 
mieux, les aéroports. très loin de là je suis.


et vous, qu'avez vous comme plugin météo sur vos toolbars?

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Re: Connaître les utilisateurs loggués

2014-05-21 Thread andre_debian

On Tuesday 20 May 2014 23:08:05 Erwan David  wrote:
 Le 20/05/2014 23:07, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
  On Tuesday 20 May 2014 22:19:14 Erwan David wrote:
  Par exemple là je vois
  bibi:~ # finger
  Login Name  Tty  Idle  Login Time   Office Office
  Phone edavidErwan David  *:0 May 20 19:22
  edavidErwan David   pts/02:53  May 20 19:22 (:0)
  edavidErwan David  *pts/1  May 20 19:22 (:0)
  edavidErwan David  *pts/2  40  May 20 21:01 (:0)
  edavidErwan David  *pts/3  15  May 20 21:39 (:0)
  edavidErwan David   pts/4  May 20 22:13 (localhost)
  bibi:~ # loginctl list-sessions
 SESSIONUID USER SEAT
   1   1000 edavid   seat0
   2   1000 edavid
  2 sessions listed.
  finger me donne bien plus d'informations...

  Oui,
  mais pas les connectés via sftp,
  que les users qui ont ouvert une session et ceux en connexion via ssh.
  Pourtant sftp est une composante de ssh.
  André

 Et ceux qui ont fait un ssh commande ? :

Je vois ceux qui se sont connectés via ssh, en ouverture de session,
mais pas ceux en mode sftp.

André

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Re: plugin meteo: gnome classic

2014-05-21 Thread Daniel Caillibaud

Le 21/05/14 à 11:19, admini adm...@freeatome.com a écrit :
A et vous, qu'avez vous comme plugin météo sur vos toolbars?

Je lève les yeux et regarde par la fenêtre ;-)

(tous les plugins météos donnent le temps prévu la veille pour maintenant, la 
vue du ciel est
plus précise, sauf à être enfermé dans une cave ou vouloir le temps qu'il fait 
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fiction se fient à la météo et aux économistes
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Re: plugin meteo: gnome classic

2014-05-21 Thread admini


Le 21/05/2014 12:15, Daniel Caillibaud a écrit :

Le 21/05/14 à 11:19, admini adm...@freeatome.com a écrit :
A et vous, qu'avez vous comme plugin météo sur vos toolbars?

Je lève les yeux et regarde par la fenêtre ;-)

ben, si je suis dans la salle machine, je n'ai pas de fenetre.

(tous les plugins météos donnent le temps prévu la veille pour maintenant, la 
vue du ciel est
plus précise, sauf à être enfermé dans une cave ou vouloir le temps qu'il fait 
ailleurs)
tout à fait, c'est pour chez moi. je pensais que ca se connectait sur 
les stations où la météo serait en temps réel.




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Re: plugin meteo: gnome classic

2014-05-21 Thread maderios


On 05/21/2014 11:19 AM, admini wrote:

bonjour la liste,

par ce temps magnifique pour le jardinage, j'ai voulu donc activer mon
bulletin météo du calendrier de mon gnome classic (orage?). mais c'est
très imprécis car pour la ville de paris (en france), il me propose au
mieux, les aéroports. très loin de là je suis.

et vous, qu'avez vous comme plugin météo sur vos toolbars?

Pour Enlightement 17, 18, etc..., c'est un  code zip à rentrer dans le 
module qui détermine les prévisions météo locales. Ce doit être idem 
pour Gn. Cherche le code zip pour Paris...

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Re: plugin meteo: gnome classic

Le mercredi 21 mai 2014, 12:18:53 admini a écrit :
[…] je pensais que ca se
 connectait sur les stations où la météo serait en temps réel.

  Donc on va se retaper exactement la même discussion qu’il y a 
trois jours ?

→ https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2014/05/msg00306.html

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Re: Outil le plus simple pour surveiller des liens ADSL

2014-05-21 Thread Olivier

Le 20 mai 2014 11:29, Sil sm...@free.fr a écrit :

 Le 20/05/2014 11:07, Olivier a écrit :

  Bonjour,

 Je souhaite surveiller la disponibilité d'une quinzaine de liens ADSL.

 Par surveiller la disponibilité, j'entends:
 - faire un simple ping (ou équivalent) sur l'IP externe de chaque lien
 ADSL (chacun a une IP externe fixe) toutes les 5 mn, par exemple,
 - conserver la réponse dans une base de données idoine,
 - si le ping  échoue (critère à préciser) alors que le précédent avait
 réussi  m'alerter (par un canal à préciser parmi l'email, le SMS ou autre),
 - si le ping  réussi alors que le précédent avait échoué m'alerter.

 Bonjour,
 Nagios fait tout ça, avec en plus une interface web.
 Il faut par contre passer un peu de temps à le mettre en place.


C'est la toute la question !
Il est est certain que Nagios, Zabbix et consors traitent la question mais
je m'interroge sur le temps de mise en place et de maintenance.


 Je n'ai pas l'expérience pour parler de l'envoi de SMS, mais les mails
 sont pris en charge.
 Bonne continuation,
 Sil

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Re: on est concernés ?

2014-05-21 Thread moi-meme

Le Wed, 21 May 2014 09:50:02 +0200, Joël BERTRAND a écrit :

 mais je ne pense pas que
 Lenovo soit sournois au point de pouvoir la réactiver par logiciel).

au point où on est : la confiance ...

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Re: on est concernés ?

2014-05-21 Thread Fabián Rodríguez

Le 2014-05-21 03:40, Erwan David a écrit :
 La première question c'est : pourquoi l'ont ils foutu ?

Support technique d'entreprise

Plus précisemment, c'est un rootkit servant à la surveillance à grande
échelle et ...removing, disabling or preventing Computrace from running
is close to irrelevant.
http://securitynirvana.blogspot.ca/2012/09/spying-on-ex-employees-others-using.html


F.



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qemu-system-arm en stable?

2014-05-21 Thread jerome moliere

Bonjour
je viens d'essayer d'installer en stable (Whheezy enfin Crunchbang) un
qemu-system-arm mais visblement  il y a des soucis de dependances (etonnant
en stable non?)
 qemu-system-arm : Depends: libspice-server1 (= 0.12.4) but
0.11.0-1+deb7u1 is installed.
   Depends: libusb-1.0-0 (= 2:1.0.16) but 2:1.0.11-1 is
installed.
   Depends: libusbredirparser1 (= 0.6) but it is not going
to be installed.
   Depends: qemu-system-common but it is not going to be
installed.
   Breaks: qemu-system ( 1.3.0+dfsg-5) but
1.1.2+dfsg-6a+deb7u3 is installed.


En Sid cela s'installe mais pulse-audio empeche la creation de l'image et
stoppe le processus...(je suis sous Semplice Linux mais c est une surcouche
de Sid)

Merci de vos retours
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Re: [Firmware Bug]: AMD-Vi: IOAPIC[0] not in IVRS table

2014-05-21 Thread Alain Rpnpif

Le 18 mai 2014, Alain Rpnpif a écrit :

 Le 17 mai 2014, Jean-Christophe Saint-Marc a écrit :
 
   Auriez-vous des suggestions à ce problème ?
  
  
  Linux 3.14.4 est disponible dans les backports
  
 
 Je viens d'essayer à l'instant. Échec total.
 J'ai les mêmes messages avant la création de /dev.
 Puis juste après le montage des partitions, le système redémarre sans
 avertissement. Et c'est reproductible.
 Donc pour l'instant le kernel 3.14.4 est inutilisable pour moi.
 
 Mauvaise pioche.
 Merci pour la réponse.
 

Même symptôme avec la version upstream (https://www.kernel.org/).
Attendons des jours meilleurs.
En attendant je reste sous le noyau 3.12.20 qui fonctionne assez bien.

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Re: qemu-system-arm en stable?

2014-05-21 Thread Guillaume Caron

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 04:24:35PM +0200, jerome moliere wrote:
 Bonjour
 je viens d'essayer d'installer en stable (Whheezy enfin Crunchbang) un
 qemu-system-arm mais visblement  il y a des soucis de dependances (etonnant en
 stable non?)
  qemu-system-arm : Depends: libspice-server1 (= 0.12.4) but 0.11.0-1+deb7u1 
 is
 installed.
                    Depends: libusb-1.0-0 (= 2:1.0.16) but 2:1.0.11-1 is
 installed.
                    Depends: libusbredirparser1 (= 0.6) but it is not going to
 be installed.
                    Depends: qemu-system-common but it is not going to be
 installed.
                    Breaks: qemu-system ( 1.3.0+dfsg-5) but
 1.1.2+dfsg-6a+deb7u3 is installed.
 
 
 En Sid cela s'installe mais pulse-audio empeche la creation de l'image et
 stoppe le processus...(je suis sous Semplice Linux mais c est une surcouche de
 Sid)
 

Salut,

En fait qemu-system-arm n'est dispo que dans les backports et il dépend de
paquets dispos à la fois dans le dépôt de base et dans les backports, sauf que
comme ce dernier n'est pas prioritaire il tente d'installer la version de base
qui ne convient pas.

Tu peux le constater avec « aptitude versions » :

$ aptitude versions qemu-system-arm
Paquet qemu-system-arm :
p   2.0.0+dfsg-4~bpo70+1wheezy-backports
   980 


$ aptitude versions libspice-server1
Paquet libspice-server1 :
i A 0.11.0-1+deb7u1 stable  
   990 
p A 0.12.4-0nocelt2~bpo70+1 wheezy-backports
   980 


Il faut donc forcer le dépôt :
# apt-get install -t wheezy-backports qemu-system-arm




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Re: qemu-system-arm en stable?

2014-05-21 Thread jerome moliere

Un grand merci pour cette explication limpide -)
Je teste cela de ce pas...

Jerome

Re: Changer le stockage pop de kmail

2014-05-21 Thread Arathor


Salut,

Merci pour la réponse.

Le 21/05/2014 11:03, Sylvain L. Sauvage a écrit :


[…] Donc je voudrais passer le répertoire de Mail à .Mail, […]


Pour info, sur une installation neuve, le chemin par défaut du dépôt
local (Maildir) est maintenant ~/.local/share/local-mail.


Là il s’agit d’une machine qui a été installée il y a quelques années et 
dist-upgradée depuis.



Le type de ressource Akonadi est « Local Folders » / « Dossiers
locaux ». Tu peux changer le répertoire en passant par la
configuration KDE (globale) / icône « Informations personnelles ».


Dans « Informations personnelles », je n’ai que deux types de ressources 
proposées : contact et calendrier. Je ne vois pas où je peux changer le 
répertoire de stockage de kmail.


À côté il y a « Détails du compte  Emplacements », mais je n’ai rien 
trouvé pour kmail non plus.


Une autre idée ? :)

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Re: Changer le stockage pop de kmail

2014-05-21 Thread MERLIN Philippe

Le mercredi 21 mai 2014, 18:17:42 Arathor a écrit :
 Salut,
 
 Merci pour la réponse.
 
 Le 21/05/2014 11:03, Sylvain L. Sauvage a écrit :
  […] Donc je voudrais passer le répertoire de Mail à .Mail, […]
  
  Pour info, sur une installation neuve, le chemin par défaut du dépôt
  local (Maildir) est maintenant ~/.local/share/local-mail.
 
 Là il s’agit d’une machine qui a été installée il y a quelques années et
 dist-upgradée depuis.
 
  Le type de ressource Akonadi est « Local Folders » / « Dossiers
  locaux ». Tu peux changer le répertoire en passant par la
  configuration KDE (globale) / icône « Informations personnelles ».
 
 Dans « Informations personnelles », je n’ai que deux types de ressources
 proposées : contact et calendrier. Je ne vois pas où je peux changer le
 répertoire de stockage de kmail.
 
 À côté il y a « Détails du compte  Emplacements », mais je n’ai rien
 trouvé pour kmail non plus.
 
 Une autre idée ? :)
As tu été dans configuration du système Kde ?
Si oui, normalement tu devrais trouver dans la rubrique Apparence et 
comportement Général une rubrique informations personnelles si tu clique 
dessus tu devrais trouver ton bonheur configuration des ressources Akonadi
A+
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Re: Changer le stockage pop de kmail

2014-05-21 Thread Stéphane GARGOLY

Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian :

Le mercredi 21 mai 2014 à 09:03, Sylvain L. Sauvage 
sylvain.l.sauv...@free.fr a écrit :
 Le mercredi 21 mai 2014, 00:12:20 Arathor a écrit :
 […] Donc je voudrais passer le répertoire de Mail à .Mail, […]
 
   Pour info, sur une installation neuve, le chemin par défaut du
 dépôt local (Maildir) est maintenant ~/.local/share/local-mail.

Chez moi (Wheezy avec KDE 4.8.4 et KMail 1.13.7 fournis par Debian), le 
répertoire kmail - qui contient des divers sous-répertoires, eux-mêmes 
abritant les messages envoyés et reçus... - se trouve dans le répertoire 
~/.kde/share/apps.

le répertoire ~/.local/share/local-mail contient des sous-répertoires... 
vides.

   Je suppose qu’une façon simple de faire serait de :
 1. s’assurer que Kmail ne tourne pas (pas de réception
   automatisée en cours, etc.) ;
 2. déplacer Mail dans .Mail ;

Ou, tout simplement, créer un lien symbolique Mail (à la place du répertoire 
Mail renommé en .Mail) pointant vers .Mail.

Bien sûr, si l'utilisateur (imprudent dont a parlé Arathor) efface, à nouveau, 
Mail, il ne reste plus qu'à recréer le lien avant le lancement de KMail.

 3. indiquer à Akonadi que le répertoire est maintenant .Mail ;
 4. serrer les doigts et croiser les fesses…

Avec seulement un lien, nul besoin de se casser la tête et de brûler une 
cierge ou, si Sylvain S. préfère, de casser une cierge et de se brûler la 
tête... :-)

Cordialement et à bientôt,

Stéphane.

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Re: Changer le stockage pop de kmail

2014-05-21 Thread Arathor


Le 21/05/2014 18:32, MERLIN Philippe a écrit :


As tu été dans configuration du système Kde ?


Oui.


devrais trouver dans la rubrique Apparence et comportement Général
 une rubrique informations personnelles si tu clique dessus tu
devrais trouver ton bonheur configuration des ressources Akonadi


Non, malheureusement :


Dans « Informations personnelles », je n’ai que deux types de
ressources proposées : contact et calendrier. Je ne vois pas où je
peux changer le répertoire de stockage de kmail.




Ou, tout simplement, créer un lien symbolique Mail (à la place du
répertoire Mail renommé en .Mail) pointant vers .Mail


L’utilisateur n’a pas supprimé Mail, il est entré dedans et a commencé à 
supprimer des fichiers.


L’idée est donc de rendre ce dossier inaccessible, pas de mettre un lien 
symbolique ;)


C’est quand même étonnant que ça soit aussi compliqué…

Arathor.

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Re: Changer le stockage pop de kmail

Le mercredi 21 mai 2014, 16:59:08 Stéphane GARGOLY a écrit :
[…]
 Bien sûr, si l'utilisateur (imprudent dont a parlé Arathor)
 efface, à nouveau, Mail, il ne reste plus qu'à recréer le
 lien avant le lancement de KMail. […]

  « Ne reste plus », « ne reste plus », quand ça arrive tous les 
quatre matins, c’est quand même un peu pénible…

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Re: Changer le stockage pop de kmail

2014-05-21 Thread Stéphane GARGOLY

Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian :

Le mercredi 21 mai 2014 à 17:12, Arathor arathor.grand...@gmail.com a écrit 
:
 Le 21/05/2014 18:32, MERLIN Philippe a écrit :
  devrais trouver dans la rubrique Apparence et comportement Général
   une rubrique informations personnelles si tu clique dessus tu
  devrais trouver ton bonheur configuration des ressources Akonadi
 
 Non, malheureusement :
  Dans « Informations personnelles », je n’ai que deux types de
  ressources proposées : contact et calendrier. Je ne vois pas où je
  peux changer le répertoire de stockage de kmail.

Je suis dans la même situation que toi : dans les modules Informations 
personnelles et Détails du compte (de l'outil Configuration du système), 
il n'y a rien qui me permet de modifier le répertoire de stockage de KMail.

J'ai aussi regardé dans l'outil de configuration propre à KMail (tout en bas du 
menu Configuration) mais, là aussi, aucun moyen de faire la modification que 
tu recherches... :-(

  Ou, tout simplement, créer un lien symbolique Mail (à la place du
  répertoire Mail renommé en .Mail) pointant vers .Mail
 
 L’utilisateur n’a pas supprimé Mail, il est entré dedans et a commencé à
 supprimer des fichiers.

D'accord et, effectivement, la solution du lien symbolique n'aurait servi à 
rien dans ce cas.

 L’idée est donc de rendre ce dossier inaccessible, pas de mettre un lien
 symbolique ;)

Faute de mieux, il reste une dernière solution : expliquer l'utilisateur qu'il 
serait préférable de ne pas supprimer (ou même modifier) les fichiers - et les 
répertoires - dont on ignore leur utilité ou leur finalité. ;-)

Cordialement et à bientôt,

Stéphane.

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Re: on est concernés ?

2014-05-21 Thread Stéphane Lebègue


Bonjour,

Je m'interroge également,

http://korben.info/computrace-lojack-absolute.html

un fake ?

Qu'en pensez-vous ?

Cdlt

Le 21/05/2014 15:05, Fabián Rodríguez a écrit :

Le 2014-05-21 03:40, Erwan David a écrit :

La première question c'est : pourquoi l'ont ils foutu ?

Support technique d'entreprise

Plus précisemment, c'est un rootkit servant à la surveillance à grande
échelle et ...removing, disabling or preventing Computrace from running
is close to irrelevant.
http://securitynirvana.blogspot.ca/2012/09/spying-on-ex-employees-others-using.html


F.





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Re: Changer le stockage pop de kmail

Le mercredi 21 mai 2014, 18:35:35 Stéphane GARGOLY a écrit :
[…]
   Dans « Informations personnelles », je n’ai que deux
   types de
   ressources proposées : contact et calendrier. Je ne vois
   pas où je peux changer le répertoire de stockage de
   kmail.
 
 Je suis dans la même situation que toi : dans les modules
 Informations personnelles et Détails du compte (de
 l'outil Configuration du système), il n'y a rien qui me
 permet de modifier le répertoire de stockage de KMail.

  C’est normal pour toi : tu utilises Kmail 1.13.7 (dixit le 
User-Agent de tes messages), donc pas Akonadi.
  Kmail 2 (la version pour laquelle la question a été posée) 
utilise des ressources Akonadi pour récupérer les messages.

 J'ai aussi regardé dans l'outil de configuration propre à
 KMail (tout en bas du menu Configuration) mais, là aussi,
 aucun moyen de faire la modification que tu recherches... :-(

  Dans Kmail 2 : menu Configuration | Configurer Kmail…  → 
panneau Comptes, onglet Réception, choisir le compte et le 
bouton « Modifier ».

  Si vous n’avez pas ça, c’est que vous n’avez pas Kmail 2 avec 
Akonadi. Donc, quelle est exactement la version utilisée ?

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Re: on est concernés ?

2014-05-21 Thread Bzzz

On Wed, 21 May 2014 20:31:03 +0200
Stéphane Lebègue stephane.lebe...@eilco-ulco.fr wrote:

 Je m'interroge également,
 un fake ?
 Qu'en pensez-vous ?

1- que c'est du réchauffé (2009-07-30):
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/researchers-find-insecure-bios-rootkit-pre-loaded-in-laptops/3828

1b- (même art.) que c'est _voulu_:
Because the rootkit is white-listed by anti-virus software,
^^^
the malicious modifications will go unnoticed.
On unsigned BIOSes, Sacco and Ortega aid modification of the
configuration allows for a very persistent and dangerous form
of rootkit.

2- Que toutes les marques et tous les devices
   sont impactés:
http://www.absolute.com/en/partners/bios-compatibility

3- Que c'est inamovible, excepté sur requête légitime à 
   absolute ou bien démontage de la puce, zeroing total
   avec un programmateur et re-flashage d'un BIOS correct
   (mais ça serait mal, parce que c'est pour ton bien, un peu
   comme le taux d'imposition d'ici…):
http://www3.absolute.com/support/consumer/technology_computrace

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Re: Outil le plus simple pour surveiller des liens ADSL

2014-05-21 Thread Sil


Le 21/05/2014 14:24, Olivier a écrit :

Le 20 mai 2014 11:29, Sil sm...@free.fr a écrit :

Bonjour, Nagios fait tout ça, avec en plus une interface web. Il faut 
par contre passer un peu de temps à le mettre en place. 

C'est la toute la question !
Il est est certain que Nagios, Zabbix et consors traitent la question mais
je m'interroge sur le temps de mise en place et de maintenance.
Il n'y a rien a faire pour le maintenir. A part peut-être pour une mise 
à jour de la distribution. Sinon ça marche tout seul.

Pour la mise en place, il faut comprendre le concept d'hôte et de service.
Sil

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Re: Un équivalent du PAO autocad, mais Libre

2014-05-21 Thread Sébastien Dinot

Bonsoir,

andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
 Je recherche un équivalent du PAO autocad (proprio), mais Libre,
 capable de faire de la 3D.
 Cerise sur le gâteau, pouvant tourner sous Mac et/ou Windows, sinon
 tant pis si c'est que sous Linux.

Je viens d'assister à une présentation de FreeCAD :

  http://freecadweb.org/

faite par Jonathan Wiedermann, un auto-entrepreneur qui l'utilise à des
fins professionnelles :

  http://www.wood3dservices.fr/

Jonathan nous a présenté la version 0.14 qui ne devrait pas tarder
à sortir et qui représente une sérieuse avancée par rapport à la version
précédente et introduit des fonctions très attendues. D'autres fonctions
majeures, tel l'atelier d'assemblage, sont annoncées pour la version
0.15.

Il ne faut pas s'arrêter au numéro de version ; le développement de
FreeCAD a commencé en 2002 et l'outil s'appuie sur des briques éprouvées
(telle OpenCascade). L'équipe de développement est composée de trois
développeurs principaux et, à l'heure actuelle, d'une dizaine de
contributeurs d'après l'analyse d'Ohloh :

  http://www.ohloh.net/p/freecad

J'ai été plutôt impressionné car je ne savais pas qu'il existait des
logiciels libres si avancés en la matière.

Pour terminer, il peut être utile de noter que Jonathan propose des
formations sur FreeCAD.

Cordialement,

Sébastien


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Re: on est concernés ?

2014-05-21 Thread Jérôme

Le mercredi 21 mai 2014 à 05:41 +, moi-meme a écrit : 
 j'ai vu un article sur Korben qui me fait un peu peur :
 http://korben.info/computrace-lojack-absolute.html?
 utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Feed%3A+Korben_nl+%
 28Korben%29
 
 J'ai pas tout compris : le machin il a besoins d'une base de registres 
 pour s'installer.
 
 Yen a pas sous Linux alors y a t'il un autre mécanisme ?
 
 Merci d'éclairer ma bougie : pas lanterne car je ne suis pas une 
 lumière :-)

Chiche :

La loi « pour la confiance dans l’économie numérique » du 21 juin 2004
(n° 2004-575) a déplacé et modifié ce texte, désormais présent à
l’article 323-1 du code pénal, lequel dispose que « Le fait d''accéder
ou de se maintenir, frauduleusement, dans tout ou partie d''un système
de traitement automatisé de données est puni de deux ans
d''emprisonnement et de 3 euros d''amende. Lorsqu''il en est résulté
soit la suppression ou la modification de données contenues dans le
système, soit une altération du fonctionnement de ce système, la peine
est de trois ans d''emprisonnement et de 45000 euros d''amende. »

Un système de traitement automatique de données c’est, selon les
magistrats, par exemple un réseau, réseau France Telecom, réseau Carte
Bancaire (Tribunal correctionnel de Paris, 25 février 2000) ; un disque
dur (Cour d’appel de Douai, 7 octobre 1992) ; un radiotéléphone (Cour
d’appel de Paris, 18 novembre 1992). En tout cas, tous les équipements
(de nature matérielle, logicielle, ou «firmware ») permettant
l''acquisition automatique, le stockage, la manipulation, le contrôle,
l''affichage, la transmission, ou la réception de données.

Alors ? Moins pressé que la Hadopi pour poursuivre le citoyen
ordinaire ? 

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Re: No puedo montar un HDD en Debian Jessie

2014-05-21 Thread Francesc Guitart


El 19/05/2014 15:41, Sergio Bessopeanetto escribió:

Estimadas/os:

El escenario es el siguiente:
En la PC tengo Debian Wheezy con LXDE que funciona de maravillas, es
literalmente indestructible. Monta perfectamente un disco declarado en
fstab sin problemas. Así lo uso desde hace años. Pero ahora me estoy
peleando con Jessie con KDE que no quiere montarlo pese a estar
perfectamente declarado en fstab en forma idéntica a como lo tengo en el
fstab de Wheezy.

Mi fstab:

# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
# device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices
# that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
#
# file system mount point   type options   dump  pass
# / was on /dev/sda1 during installation
UUID=e649716e-9ee3-4425-9a3b-13abcc2956bd /   ext4
errors=remount-ro 0$
# /home was on /dev/sda3 during installation
UUID=8bac00d6-788f-4623-a0a5-dc53710e11b4 /home   ext4
defaults0  $
/dev/sr0/media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
/dev/sr1/media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
/dev/sdc1   /media/usb0 autorw,user,noauto  0   0
/dev/sdb1   /mnt/   ext3  auto,user,exec,relatime 0   0
 Este es el HDD


dmesg | tail dice:

root@debianKDE:/home/sergio# dmesg | tail
[  468.528164] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
[  468.549203]  sdc: sdc1 sdc2
[  468.553766] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] No Caching mode page found
[  468.553776] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
[  468.553785] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI disk
[  469.425213] EXT4-fs (sdc1): mounted filesystem with ordered data
mode. Opts: (null)
[  475.889588] FAT-fs (sdc2): utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for
FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
[ 1777.531719] perf samples too long (2511  2500), lowering
kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 5
[ 1824.726438] EXT4-fs (sdb1): mounting ext3 file system using the ext4
subsystem
[ 1824.726777] EXT4-fs (sdb1): bad geometry: block count 39072080
exceeds size of device (39072000 blocks)

Mi teoría es que a Jessie le pasa algo con ext3 ya que Wheezy ni mosquea
para montarlo y operar con ese disco sin problemas.

Espero me puedan ayudar con esto. En Internet encontré cosas muy
delirantes o muy simples que no parecen tener la solución.

Saludos cordiales.




Has probado con un fsck? Prueba antes con un fsck -N /dev/dispositvo 
para no tocar nada.


Manda la salida de:

sudo fdisk -l /dev/dispositivo

Saludos.


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Re: No puedo montar un HDD en Debian Jessie

2014-05-21 Thread Tarrasquero



El 21/05/14 10:57, Francesc Guitart escribió:

El 19/05/2014 15:41, Sergio Bessopeanetto escribió:

Estimadas/os:

El escenario es el siguiente:
En la PC tengo Debian Wheezy con LXDE que funciona de maravillas, es
literalmente indestructible. Monta perfectamente un disco declarado en
fstab sin problemas. Así lo uso desde hace años. Pero ahora me estoy
peleando con Jessie con KDE que no quiere montarlo pese a estar
perfectamente declarado en fstab en forma idéntica a como lo tengo en el
fstab de Wheezy.

Mi fstab:

# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
# device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name 
devices

# that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
#
# file system mount point   type options   dump  pass
# / was on /dev/sda1 during installation
UUID=e649716e-9ee3-4425-9a3b-13abcc2956bd /   ext4
errors=remount-ro 0$
# /home was on /dev/sda3 during installation
UUID=8bac00d6-788f-4623-a0a5-dc53710e11b4 /home   ext4
defaults0  $
/dev/sr0/media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
/dev/sr1/media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
/dev/sdc1   /media/usb0 autorw,user,noauto  0 0
/dev/sdb1   /mnt/   ext3  auto,user,exec,relatime 0   0
 Este es el HDD


dmesg | tail dice:

root@debianKDE:/home/sergio# dmesg | tail
[  468.528164] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
[  468.549203]  sdc: sdc1 sdc2
[  468.553766] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] No Caching mode page found
[  468.553776] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
[  468.553785] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI disk
[  469.425213] EXT4-fs (sdc1): mounted filesystem with ordered data
mode. Opts: (null)
[  475.889588] FAT-fs (sdc2): utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for
FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
[ 1777.531719] perf samples too long (2511  2500), lowering
kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 5
[ 1824.726438] EXT4-fs (sdb1): mounting ext3 file system using the ext4
subsystem
[ 1824.726777] EXT4-fs (sdb1): bad geometry: block count 39072080
exceeds size of device (39072000 blocks)

Mi teoría es que a Jessie le pasa algo con ext3 ya que Wheezy ni mosquea
para montarlo y operar con ese disco sin problemas.

Espero me puedan ayudar con esto. En Internet encontré cosas muy
delirantes o muy simples que no parecen tener la solución.

Saludos cordiales.




Has probado con un fsck? Prueba antes con un fsck -N /dev/dispositvo 
para no tocar nada.


Manda la salida de:

sudo fdisk -l /dev/dispositivo

Saludos.


Amigo prueba comentando las lineas que no se montan en el fstab y coloca 
la siguiente linea en /etc/rc.local: echo 4000  
/sys/module/block/parameters/events_dfl_poll_msecs



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Re: No puedo montar un HDD en Debian Jessie

El Tue, 20 May 2014 20:24:04 -0300, Sergio Bessopeanetto escribió:

 El 19/05/14 11:20, Camaleón escribió:

(...)

 No parece un problema de sistemas de archivo sino más bien de
 particionado (bad geometry) ¿cuál es la historia detrás de ese disco
 duro?

 Lo que me llama la atención es que cuando a ese mismo disco lo monta
 desde otra partición Wheezy no tiene problemas. Lo uso mucho con
 multimedia y datos (dropbox y demás) y sin embargo no tiene problema.

 Se me olvidaba... si usas systemd en jessie prueba con systemv (o
 viceversa).

 Perdón por la tardanza en contestar Camaleon.
 La salida del dmesg | tail
 
 [  134.811789] EXT4-fs (sdb1): mounting ext3 file system using the ext4
 subsystem 
 [  134.814915] EXT4-fs (sdb1): bad geometry: block count
 39072080 exceeds size of device (39072000 blocks)

Esos dos mensajes ya los enviaste en el primer correo, ¿no te dice nada 
más, no hay más datos? :-?

 ¿Qué tanto influye systemd en todo esto?

Buuu, en ese jardín no entro. No sé qué tipo de barbaridades ni 
efectos secundarios puede tener systemd pero ya he leído varios 
(principalmente servicios que dejan de funcionar, no arrancan o lo hacen 
a medias) y no me fío ni un pelo de lo que pueda hacer.

En cualquier caso, lo de systemd te lo dije principalmente porque es una 
de las diferencias principales entre wheezy (donde se monta la unidad sin 
problemas) y jessie (donde falla).

 La historia del disco es sencilla:
 Tiene unos 4 años. Lo compré nuevo. Siempre lo usé como ext3 en Debian o
 derivadas. Nunca tuve ningún tipo de problemas. Cada vez que cambiaba de
 distribución simplemente agregaba la línea en el nuevo fstab y listo.
 Actualmente tiene unos 20Gb libres. Nunca fue reformateado.
 No sé qué más agregar.

Vale... te lo preguntaba por si habías efectuado alguna operación para 
redimensionar particiones de la unidad que es lo único que se me ocurre 
que puede haber trastocado la estructura del disco, pero parece que no 
has hecho nada de eso.

 Por lo que entiendo de la salida del dmesg el sistema intenta montarlo
 como ext4 de todas formas, ¿será por eso que ve discrepancias con la
 geometría?

Si te refieres al mensaje mounting ext3 file system using the ext4 
subsystem es normal, sólo te dice que está usando el subsistema del 
kernel de ext4 que entiendo reemplaza al anterior (ext3) pero NO te dice 
que está montando la partición como ext4, ojo.

El mensaje que me preocupa es el de la geometría incorrecta, eso ya 
parece más serio. En cualquier caso, lo lógico sería que en wheezy te 
diera el mismo error al intentar montar la partición por lo que debe de 
haber algún componente de jessie (¿kernel?) que no está interpretando la 
estructura del disco de la misma manera que wheezy.

Prueba a montar ese disco desde alguna versión LiveCD que tenga un kernel 
superior al que lleva Jessie a ver qué te dice.

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Re: Systemv: gnome-shell se queda colgado al reiniciar/cerrar el sistema

El día 20 de mayo de 2014, 19:39, Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR
hay...@inor.sld.cu escribió:

(recupero este mesnaje del filtro...)

 igual debes hacer que el sistema desmonte el punto antes de reiniciar.

 lo de root solo era un ejemplo

Sigo sin entender lo que sugieres... yo no estoy montando nada.

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Re: Systemv: gnome-shell se queda colgado al reiniciar/cerrar el sistema

2014-05-21 Thread Juan Lavieri


Hola

El 19/05/14 09:32, Camaleón escribió:

Hola,

En Debian testing con gnome-shell cuando inicio con systemv el equipo se
queda esperando cuando le digo que se cierre o que quiero reiniciar
(saltando a una tty se puede apagar/reiniciar bien con shutdown).


Te confirmo que desde hace mas de un mes cambié a systemv y he estado 
investigando puesto que tengo exactamente el mismo problema.



Con systemd funciona perfectamente.


Quiero agregar además que:

1)  Si entro con gnome clásico, todo funciona con normalidad.

2)  Si entro con xfce e intento reiniciar, solo me cierra la sesión 
activa y me devuelve a la pantalla de login.


Por cierto, uso jessie y cambié a systemv en vista de que será el 
predeterminado a partir de ahora, pero me está pareciendo que está muy 
crudo.




¿Alguna idea? ¿Se trata de un bug?

Saludos,



Saludos.


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Re: Systemv: gnome-shell se queda colgado al reiniciar/cerrar el sistema

El Wed, 21 May 2014 09:32:41 -0430, Juan Lavieri escribió:

 El 19/05/14 09:32, Camaleón escribió:
 Hola,

 En Debian testing con gnome-shell cuando inicio con systemv el equipo
 se queda esperando cuando le digo que se cierre o que quiero reiniciar
 (saltando a una tty se puede apagar/reiniciar bien con shutdown).
 
 Te confirmo que desde hace mas de un mes cambié a systemv y he estado
 investigando puesto que tengo exactamente el mismo problema.

A ver Juan, ¿cambiaste a *systemd* o a *systemv*?

 Con systemd funciona perfectamente.
 
 Quiero agregar además que:
 
 1)  Si entro con gnome clásico, todo funciona con normalidad.

A mí me falla igualmente. Con systemv.

 2)  Si entro con xfce e intento reiniciar, solo me cierra la sesión
 activa y me devuelve a la pantalla de login.
 
 Por cierto, uso jessie y cambié a systemv en vista de que será el
 predeterminado a partir de ahora, pero me está pareciendo que está muy
 crudo.

Querrás decir que cambiaste a systemd en cuyo caso se trataría de un 
problema distinto ;-)

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Re: Systemv: gnome-shell se queda colgado al reiniciar/cerrar el sistema

2014-05-21 Thread Juan Lavieri


El 21/05/14 09:57, Camaleón escribió:

El Wed, 21 May 2014 09:32:41 -0430, Juan Lavieri escribió:


El 19/05/14 09:32, Camaleón escribió:

Hola,

En Debian testing con gnome-shell cuando inicio con systemv el equipo
se queda esperando cuando le digo que se cierre o que quiero reiniciar
(saltando a una tty se puede apagar/reiniciar bien con shutdown).

Te confirmo que desde hace mas de un mes cambié a systemv y he estado
investigando puesto que tengo exactamente el mismo problema.


Perdón, corrijo lo dicho (estoy trasnochado)


A ver Juan, ¿cambiaste a *systemd* o a *systemv*?


Cambié a systemd




Con systemd funciona perfectamente.

Quiero agregar además que:

1)  Si entro con gnome clásico, todo funciona con normalidad.

A mí me falla igualmente. Con systemv.


2)  Si entro con xfce e intento reiniciar, solo me cierra la sesión
activa y me devuelve a la pantalla de login.

Por cierto, uso jessie y cambié a systemv en vista de que será el
predeterminado a partir de ahora, pero me está pareciendo que está muy
crudo.


Corrijo nuevamente, cambié a systemd, por favor disculpen.


Querrás decir que cambiaste a systemd en cuyo caso se trataría de un
problema distinto ;-)


Exacto, no aplica a tu caso, pero quizás nos de una idea de que las 
cosas no están muy estables con esta gente.



Saludos,



Saludos.


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Listado de directorio de archivos en forma más elegante

2014-05-21 Thread Miguel Matos

Hola a la lista. Todavía sigo abocado al proyecto del servidor casero
de pruebas; pero, para ser honesto, el formato que muestra el
directorio en Apache es muy bárbaramente atroz, y perdonen la ofensa
(quería decir etrusco, porque fue lo primero que se me vino a la
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algo más elegante. Por ejemplo, ¿alguien ha visto cómo el navegador
Firefox lista los directorios en el SO Windows (de XP para arriba)?
Pues, algo así me gustaría ver. Claro, pero mucho más llamativo. Si
Apache muestra los directorios, ¿en qué lugar exactamente lo muestra?,
¿se puede modificar como root o como usuario normal?, ¿necesitaré
agregar imágenes extras o CSS para hacerlo más llamativo?, ¿es posible
hacer ejercicio para sacar músculo con un presupuesto que limita el
consumo de proteínas de forma natural?, ¿es posible tener actitud
sin aptitud o aptitud sin actitud? Son muchas dudas para tan
poco tiempo... Mientras, seguiré intentando googlear sin tantos
rollos. Estaré pendiente de sus respuestas.

P.D.: ¿en qué punto de nuestro idioma 'bárbaro' pasó como sinónimo de
'excelente' y 'extraordinario'?

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No puedo usar net rpc * en samba4

2014-05-21 Thread Denis Morejon Lopez




Hola colegas:

Estoy tratando de unir un debian 7 como servidor miembro de un dominio 
existente en samba 4 según esta guia:

https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setup_a_Samba_AD_Member_Server

Utilicé los fuentes de samba 4.1.7 tanto para crear el PDC como para 
crear este servidor miembro.


De hecho ya una vez lo logré, pero ahora cuando quiero hacer otro 
dominio aparte (con otro par de debian instalados de cero) me da este 
problema:


#En el servidor miembro ejecuto
net rpc join -U administrator
# Me sale
Unable to find a suitable server for domain DOMX

#Si ejecuto esto también sale lo mismo
 net rpc info -U administrator

Yo meto bien maquinas Windows al dominio. También cree un BDC y replica 
información correctamente con el PDC


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Re: Listado de directorio de archivos en forma más elegante

El Wed, 21 May 2014 11:48:26 -0430, Miguel Matos escribió:

 Hola a la lista. Todavía sigo abocado al proyecto del servidor casero de
 pruebas; pero, para ser honesto, el formato que muestra el directorio en
 Apache es muy bárbaramente atroz, y perdonen la ofensa (quería decir
 etrusco, porque fue lo primero que se me vino a la cabeza, pero ni de
 lejos se aproxima). Pero, preferiría que mostrara algo más elegante. Por
 ejemplo, ¿alguien ha visto cómo el navegador Firefox lista los
 directorios en el SO Windows (de XP para arriba)?
 Pues, algo así me gustaría ver. Claro, pero mucho más llamativo. Si
 Apache muestra los directorios, ¿en qué lugar exactamente lo muestra?,
 ¿se puede modificar como root o como usuario normal?, ¿necesitaré
 agregar imágenes extras o CSS para hacerlo más llamativo?, ¿es posible
 hacer ejercicio para sacar músculo con un presupuesto que limita el
 consumo de proteínas de forma natural?, ¿es posible tener actitud
 sin aptitud o aptitud sin actitud? Son muchas dudas para tan poco
 tiempo... Mientras, seguiré intentando googlear sin tantos rollos.
 Estaré pendiente de sus respuestas.

Pues parece que puedes hacer cosas muy... no sé cómo llamar a eso, 
gigánticas:

http://larsjung.de/h5ai/

Y para entender la base:

http://perishablepress.com/better-default-directory-views-with-htaccess/

 P.D.: ¿en qué punto de nuestro idioma 'bárbaro' pasó como sinónimo de
 'excelente' y 'extraordinario'?

Siempre fue una acepción más.

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Re: No puedo usar net rpc * en samba4

El Wed, 21 May 2014 11:58:02 -0500, Denis Morejon Lopez escribió:

Denis, has secuestrado un hilo (esto sucede cuando respondes a un mensaje 
en lugar de mandar un correo nuevo), abro un nuevo.

 Estoy tratando de unir un debian 7 como servidor miembro de un dominio
 existente en samba 4 según esta guia:
 https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setup_a_Samba_AD_Member_Server
 
 Utilicé los fuentes de samba 4.1.7 tanto para crear el PDC como para
 crear este servidor miembro.
 
 De hecho ya una vez lo logré, pero ahora cuando quiero hacer otro
 dominio aparte (con otro par de debian instalados de cero) me da este
 problema:
 
 #En el servidor miembro ejecuto net rpc join -U administrator # Me sale
 Unable to find a suitable server for domain DOMX
 
 #Si ejecuto esto también sale lo mismo
   net rpc info -U administrator
 
 Yo meto bien maquinas Windows al dominio. También cree un BDC y replica
 información correctamente con el PDC
 
 Qué me puede estar pasando?

Ni idea, pero si en un equipo funciona y en otro no podrías comparar los 
dos archivos de configuración (/etc/samba/smb.conf) para buscar 
diferencias.

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Re: Systemv: gnome-shell se queda colgado al reiniciar/cerrar el sistema

2014-05-21 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR

no hay alguna particion que se monte automaticamente?
es lo que  me refiero, deberias revisar el /etc/fstab y /etc/mtab a ver que hay

lo otro seria darle permiso chmod a+s  al comando halt y al comando reboot
así cualquier usuario los puede usar y por ende reiniciar y apagar sin 
permisos de root. Deberías chequear que comando se llama al mandar a apagar 
por defecto y activarle este permiso. A mí me ha pasado con lxde. Me pide un 
password para apagar y me he dado cuenta que es cuando tengo algo funcionando 
como root y no lo he cerrado. Como por ejemplo otro login en una tty

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Re: No puedo montar un HDD en Debian Jessie

2014-05-21 Thread AqaIb8

Esta línea:
/dev/sdc1   /media/usb0 autorw,user,noauto  0   0

Ponla así, con un asterisco al principio:
#/dev/sdc1   /media/usb0 autorw,user,noauto  0   0

Después de comentar esa línea con el asterisco, reincia tu ordenador y ya 
debería montarse correctamente.

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Re: Systemv: gnome-shell se queda colgado al reiniciar/cerrar el sistema

El Wed, 21 May 2014 12:39:11 -0400, Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR
escribió:

 no hay alguna particion que se monte automaticamente?

No. Salvo la del sistema (/), obviamente...

 es lo que  me refiero, deberias revisar el /etc/fstab y /etc/mtab a ver
 que hay

El contenido de esos archivos es irrelevante en este caso.
 
 lo otro seria darle permiso chmod a+s  al comando halt y al comando
 reboot así cualquier usuario los puede usar y por ende reiniciar y
 apagar sin permisos de root. Deberías chequear que comando se llama al
 mandar a apagar por defecto y activarle este permiso. A mí me ha pasado
 con lxde. Me pide un password para apagar y me he dado cuenta que es
 cuando tengo algo funcionando como root y no lo he cerrado. Como por
 ejemplo otro login en una tty

Sinceramente, por lo que dices creo que no has entendido el asunto de 
este hilo.

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Re: No puedo montar un HDD en Debian Jessie

2014-05-21 Thread Sergio Bessopeanetto


El 21/05/14 13:55, AqaIb8 escribió:

Esta línea:
/dev/sdc1   /media/usb0 autorw,user,noauto  0   0

Ponla así, con un asterisco al principio:
#/dev/sdc1   /media/usb0 autorw,user,noauto  0   0

Después de comentar esa línea con el asterisco, reincia tu ordenador y ya
debería montarse correctamente.

Saludos.



Asteriso o numeral?
Asterisco = *
Numeral = #

De todas maneras no funcionó. Mi problema está en sdb1 y no es sdc1.
Gracias de todas maneras por tu aporte.

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Re: No puedo usar net rpc * en samba4

2014-05-21 Thread Denis Morejon Lopez


Ya resolvi...
Era que estaba levantando solo /usr/local/samba/sbin/samba  y me 
faltaba  /usr/local/samba/sbin/smbd  !!


Gracias de todas formas


El 05/21/2014 11:58 AM, Denis Morejon Lopez escribió:



Hola colegas:

Estoy tratando de unir un debian 7 como servidor miembro de un dominio 
existente en samba 4 según esta guia:

https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setup_a_Samba_AD_Member_Server

Utilicé los fuentes de samba 4.1.7 tanto para crear el PDC como para 
crear este servidor miembro.


De hecho ya una vez lo logré, pero ahora cuando quiero hacer otro 
dominio aparte (con otro par de debian instalados de cero) me da este 
problema:


#En el servidor miembro ejecuto
net rpc join -U administrator
# Me sale
Unable to find a suitable server for domain DOMX

#Si ejecuto esto también sale lo mismo
 net rpc info -U administrator

Yo meto bien maquinas Windows al dominio. También cree un BDC y 
replica información correctamente con el PDC


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Re: webcam Infoway W7410-W7415


Em 21-05-2014 00:46, Márcio Pedroso escreveu:


Essa webcam ta funcionando? Lista ai para nos o lspci

Em 20/05/2014 22:13, Éder S. G. (Jordan) ederjor...@yahoo.com.br 
mailto:ederjor...@yahoo.com.br escreveu:


On 05/20/2014 08:03 PM, Evandro wrote:

Alguém poderia me ajudar?


Olá, Evandro!

Boa noite!

Como você está? Espero que esteja bem.



Como faço para configurar a webcam 1.3M pixies interna do
notebook itautec
modelo W7410-W7415 no debian wheezy?


Evandro, por favor, abra/rode um emulador de terminal como o xterm,
eterm, aterm, gnome-terminal etc.

Logo após, torne-se o usuário root com o comando:
 su -

Vamos exibir os dispositivos USB do seu notebook. Para isso, digite:
 lsusb

Estou em um notebook da HP que me retornou o seguinte resultado:

 Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0020 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate
Matching Hub
 Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0020 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate
Matching Hub
 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
 Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
 Bus 002 Device 004: ID 10f1:1a16 Importek


Repare na última linha que o fabricante do drive é a Importek.

Assim, saber mais informações sobre  a webcam, abra/rode o
Iceweasel ou outro navegador. Acesse o site do Google e no
campo de pesquisa, por favor, digite o seguinte expressão:
 nome_da_fabricante webcam


Veja os primeiros resultados que surgirem. Espero que ajude-o.



Agradeço antecipadamente qualquer esclarecimento.


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Em 20-05-2014 22:50, Evandro escreveu:


Caro Éder

A web-cam não esta conectada a nenhuma entrada/saida USB.
Só existe a câmera no alto do monitor.

A saída do lsusb foi:
root@SuperSonic# lsusb
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 002: ID 13d3:3249 IMC Networks Internal Bluetooth
Bus 008 Device 002: ID 046d:c52f Logitech, Inc. Wireless Mouse M305
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0421:05c0 Nokia Mobile Phones

Isso é tudo.
Agradeço pela orientação.
Aceito sugestões. 


Bom dia.
Márcio, ai esta a saída do lspci conforme solicitado.
A web-cam não funciona
Acho que precisa do driver (modulo)
Não entendo muito de hardware
Arisquei também lshw
Mas não fui feliz
:)

root@SuperSonic:/home/sonic# lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory 
Controller Hub (rev 07)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series 
Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset 
Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI 
Controller #4 (rev 03)
00:1a.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI 
Controller #5 (rev 03)
00:1a.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI 
Controller #6 (rev 03)
00:1a.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI 
Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio 
Controller (rev 03)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express 
Port 1 (rev 03)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express 
Port 3 (rev 03)
00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express 
Port 6 (rev 03)
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI 
Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI 
Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI

Re: webcam Infoway W7410-W7415

A linha:
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0421:05c0 Nokia Mobile Phones
se refere a meu celular, que uso como modem.
obrigado pela atenção
Um ótimo dia a todos

God bless us all.

Em 21-05-2014 08:48, Éder S. G. (Jordan) escreveu:

On 05/20/2014 10:38 PM, Evandro wrote:
Caro Éder

Olá, Evandro!

Boa noite!

Como você está? Espero que esteja bem.

A web-cam não esta conectada a nenhuma entrada/saida USB.
Só existe a câmera no alto do monitor.

Certo... a webcam é interna no seu notebook da Itautec, né?

A saída do lsusb foi:
root@SuperSonic# lsusb
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 002: ID 13d3:3249 IMC Networks Internal Bluetooth
Bus 008 Device 002: ID 046d:c52f Logitech, Inc. Wireless Mouse M305
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0421:05c0 Nokia Mobile Phones

Evandro, a webcam é a 'Nokia Mobiles Phones'. Realizei uma busca
no Google pela expressão
webcam Nokia Mobile Phones

E, dentre os resultados, surgiu um do site oficial da Nokia:
http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Asha-and-other-Nokia-Series-30/Mobile-Camera-also-used-as-a-WEBCAM/td-p/93549

Então o nosso trabalho será encontrar qual o driver
que teremos que carregar para que o Debian GNU Linux
a reconheça e a deixe pronta para utilização.

Farei novas buscas no Google e em breve te retornarei
com uma possível solução.

Isso é tudo.
Agradeço pela orientação.

Estamoas às ordens!

Aceito sugestões.

Então desejo-lhe uma excelente quarta-feira!

Atenciosamente,

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Tela touchscreen

2014-05-21 Thread Sérgio Abrantes Junior

Olá pessoal,

Comprei um note Dell com tela touch e instalei o Debian 7 nele.
Instalei também todos os pacotes que encontrei que faziam referência a
touch nos repositórios.
De fato o touch está funcionando, mas em partes.
Explicando  melhor, o touch funciona em menus, seleções ,etc.
Mas não funciona por exemplo em navegador aumentando o zoom da página.
Rolagem também só funciona clicando na barra lateral.
Ele veio originalmente com Windows 8 e simplesmente tudo funciona touch.
Achei incrível, mas quero usar Debian (já usava antes).
Usei o Windows que veio nele por um tempo para ver o comportamento.
Leitores de PDF por exemplo não funciona o zoom também (tem um específico
para touch que não lembro o nome agora. Não estou usando ele no momento).

Alguém já passou por isso?

Até!

Sérgio Abrantes

Re: webcam Infoway W7410-W7415

O modulo videodev não estava carregado
utilizei o comando sugerido
verifiquei com o lsmod
pra ter certeza
:)
utilizei o cheese como usuário
e nada feito

Em 21-05-2014 09:15, Éder S. G. (Jordan) escreveu:

On 05/21/2014 08:51 AM, Evandro wrote:

A linha que traz resposta relacionada a Nokia
é meu celular que uso como modem...
:)

Certo... então era um modem ao invés da webcam...

Evandro, qual programa você está utilizando para testar a webcam?
Eu utilizo o cheese.

Vamos fazer um teste. Por favor, estando como root, carregue
os seguintes módulos:
modprobe usbcore
modprobe videodev

No mais, desejo-lhe uma excelente quarta-feira!

Atenciosamente,

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Em 21-05-2014 08:48, Éder S. G. (Jordan) escreveu:

On 05/20/2014 10:38 PM, Evandro wrote:
Caro Éder

Olá, Evandro!

Boa noite!

Como você está? Espero que esteja bem.

A web-cam não esta conectada a nenhuma entrada/saida USB.
Só existe a câmera no alto do monitor.

Certo... a webcam é interna no seu notebook da Itautec, né?

Evandro, a webcam é a 'Nokia Mobiles Phones'. Realizei uma busca
no Google pela expressão
webcam Nokia Mobile Phones

E, dentre os resultados, surgiu um do site oficial da Nokia:
http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Asha-and-other-Nokia-Series-30/Mobile-Camera-also-used-as-a-WEBCAM/td-p/93549

Então o nosso trabalho será encontrar qual o driver
que teremos que carregar para que o Debian GNU Linux
a reconheça e a deixe pronta para utilização.

Farei novas buscas no Google e em breve te retornarei
com uma possível solução.

Isso é tudo.
Agradeço pela orientação.

Estamoas às ordens!

Aceito sugestões.

Então desejo-lhe uma excelente quarta-feira!

Atenciosamente,

Re: Tela touchscreen

2014-05-21 Thread Luiz Henrique Rauber Rodrigues

Facilita pode se limitação do X q usa, ta com gnome3?

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Em 21/05/2014 09:31, Sérgio Abrantes Junior sergioabran...@gmail.com
escreveu:

 Olá pessoal,

 Comprei um note Dell com tela touch e instalei o Debian 7 nele.
 Instalei também todos os pacotes que encontrei que faziam referência a
 touch nos repositórios.
 De fato o touch está funcionando, mas em partes.
 Explicando  melhor, o touch funciona em menus, seleções ,etc.
 Mas não funciona por exemplo em navegador aumentando o zoom da página.
 Rolagem também só funciona clicando na barra lateral.
 Ele veio originalmente com Windows 8 e simplesmente tudo funciona touch.
 Achei incrível, mas quero usar Debian (já usava antes).
 Usei o Windows que veio nele por um tempo para ver o comportamento.
 Leitores de PDF por exemplo não funciona o zoom também (tem um específico
 para touch que não lembro o nome agora. Não estou usando ele no momento).

 Alguém já passou por isso?

 Até!

 Sérgio Abrantes

Re: webcam Infoway W7410-W7415

Em 21-05-2014 09:28, Éder S. G. (Jordan) escreveu:

Evandro, por favor, tente também o seguinte comando:
dmesg | grep cam

Aqui neste notebook HP, surgiu o seguinte resultado:
root@hppippen33:~# dmesg | grep cam
[2.652713] usb 2-1.6: Product: HP Webcam
[6.643902] uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device HP Webcam (10f1:1a16)
[6.652797] input: HP Webcam as
/devices/pci:00/:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.6/2-1.6:1.0/input/input15

Se nenhuma informação for retornada, por favor, digite o comando:
dmesg | more

E procure dentre os resultados algo sobre a webcam. Encontrei
os seguintes sites que tratam da instalação e configuração de
webcams no GNU Linux:

http://www.dicas-l.com.br/arquivo/configurando_webcam_no_debian_gnu_linux.php#.U3yaiD95beQ

http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/topico/Webcam/Instalar-webcam-no-Debian

http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Webcam-HOWTO/

https://wiki.debian.org/Webcam

No mais, desejo-lhe uma excelente quarta-feira!

Atenciosamente,

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On 05/21/2014 09:15 AM, Éder S. G. (Jordan) wrote:

On 05/21/2014 08:51 AM, Evandro wrote:

A linha que traz resposta relacionada a Nokia
é meu celular que uso como modem...
:)

Certo... então era um modem ao invés da webcam...

Evandro, qual programa você está utilizando para testar a webcam?
Eu utilizo o cheese.

Vamos fazer um teste. Por favor, estando como root, carregue
os seguintes módulos:
modprobe usbcore
modprobe videodev

No mais, desejo-lhe uma excelente quarta-feira!

Atenciosamente,

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Em 21-05-2014 08:48, Éder S. G. (Jordan) escreveu:

On 05/20/2014 10:38 PM, Evandro wrote:
Caro Éder

Olá, Evandro!

Boa noite!

Como você está? Espero que esteja bem.

A web-cam não esta conectada a nenhuma entrada/saida USB.
Só existe a câmera no alto do monitor.

Certo... a webcam é interna no seu notebook da Itautec, né?

Evandro, a webcam é a 'Nokia Mobiles Phones'. Realizei uma busca
no Google pela expressão
webcam Nokia Mobile Phones

E, dentre os resultados, surgiu um do site oficial da Nokia:
http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Asha-and-other-Nokia-Series-30/Mobile-Camera-also-used-as-a-WEBCAM/td-p/93549

Então o nosso trabalho será encontrar qual o driver
que teremos que carregar para que o Debian GNU Linux
a reconheça e a deixe pronta para utilização.

Farei novas buscas no Google e em breve te retornarei
com uma possível solução.

Isso é tudo.
Agradeço pela orientação.

Estamoas às ordens!

Aceito sugestões.

Então desejo-lhe uma excelente quarta-feira!

Atenciosamente,

tentei o comando sugerido:
dmesg | grep cam
porém...
não retornou nada
acho que essa web-cam não tem driver no linux
...a luta continua companheiro...
:)
ótimo dia a todos

Re: webcam Infoway W7410-W7415

2014-05-21 Thread Paulino Kenji Sato

Ola,
webcam costumam estar conectados a uma das portas USB internas do notebook.
Pelo menos e assim nas que conheço.
E, como o lsusb não mostra nenhuma, a duas possibilidade (ou três):
1: Não existe webcam nesse modelo (mas tem a área destinada no topo da tela)
2: Webcam esta desativada, ative na bios ou usando a tecla de
função+webcam. Pode ser que as teclas Fn não tenha efeito algum devido
a falta de suporte no Linux.
?3: A porta USB (interna) ou a webcam estão com defeito.

Se tem o OS original ainda instalado, de boot nele e veja se a webcam
esta funcionando (ative se necessário).

O controle das portas USB internas e feita pelo ACPI (ou coisa mais
moderna) ou por controles proprietários.



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Re: webcam Infoway W7410-W7415

2014-05-21 Thread Linux - Junior Polegato


Em 21-05-2014 09:03, Evandro escreveu:

A linha:
 Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0421:05c0 Nokia Mobile Phones
se refere a meu celular, que uso como modem.


Olá!

Procure se não tem algum botão de ativar a webcam. Se tiver, 
pressione e veja o que aparece no final do dmesg e no lsusb.


Ao que me lembro, Itautec tem problemas com hotkeys e você tem 
que configurar... Procure na net e verá.


Teve um caso de eu ter que compilar o driver da placa wi-fi 
para deixá-la sempre ligada, visto que o hotkey não funcionava com rfkill.


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Re: webcam Infoway W7410-W7415


Em 21-05-2014 09:45, Paulino Kenji Sato escreveu:

Ola,
webcam costumam estar conectados a uma das portas USB internas do notebook.
Pelo menos e assim nas que conheço.
E, como o lsusb não mostra nenhuma, a duas possibilidade (ou três):
1: Não existe webcam nesse modelo (mas tem a área destinada no topo da tela)
2: Webcam esta desativada, ative na bios ou usando a tecla de
função+webcam. Pode ser que as teclas Fn não tenha efeito algum devido
a falta de suporte no Linux.
?3: A porta USB (interna) ou a webcam estão com defeito.

Se tem o OS original ainda instalado, de boot nele e veja se a webcam
esta funcionando (ative se necessário).

O controle das portas USB internas e feita pelo ACPI (ou coisa mais
moderna) ou por controles proprietários.




Paulino, meu camarada:
O OS original era Freedos
Nunca usei
Na bios parece tudo certo

Vou continuar tentando.
Perseverança é a chave
Muito obrigado pelo esclarecimento


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Re: webcam Infoway W7410-W7415 (resolvido)


Em 21-05-2014 10:24, Linux - Junior Polegato escreveu:

Em 21-05-2014 09:03, Evandro escreveu:

A linha:
 Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0421:05c0 Nokia Mobile Phones
se refere a meu celular, que uso como modem.


Olá!

Procure se não tem algum botão de ativar a webcam. Se tiver, 
pressione e veja o que aparece no final do dmesg e no lsusb.


Ao que me lembro, Itautec tem problemas com hotkeys e você tem 
que configurar... Procure na net e verá.


Teve um caso de eu ter que compilar o driver da placa wi-fi 
para deixá-la sempre ligada, visto que o hotkey não funcionava com 
rfkill.




Muito fácil...
Depois que a gente aprende.

Procedimento:
1-ativar a webcam com Fn+F6
2-modprobe videodev
3-Abrir Cheese
BINGO :)))

Nem foi preciso compilar nada.
Obrigado a todos pelas orientações.
Paz e Felicidades a todos.
Fui...


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Re: Tela touchscreen

2014-05-21 Thread China

Pode ser obra de software não livre, que não deve ter nos repositórios
Debian. Dê uma procurada nos foruns do Ubuntu, que adoram um software
proprietário, pra ver se tem algo que funcione. Se for proprietário,
você decide se instala ou não, já que já comprou a máquina (eu sempre
checo se funciona antes de comprar!).

Em 21 de maio de 2014 09:30, Sérgio Abrantes Junior
sergioabran...@gmail.com escreveu:
Olá pessoal,

Comprei um note Dell com tela touch e instalei o Debian 7 nele.
Instalei também todos os pacotes que encontrei que faziam referência a touch
nos repositórios.
De fato o touch está funcionando, mas em partes.
Explicando melhor, o touch funciona em menus, seleções ,etc.
Mas não funciona por exemplo em navegador aumentando o zoom da página.
Rolagem também só funciona clicando na barra lateral.
Ele veio originalmente com Windows 8 e simplesmente tudo funciona touch.
Achei incrível, mas quero usar Debian (já usava antes).
Usei o Windows que veio nele por um tempo para ver o comportamento.
Leitores de PDF por exemplo não funciona o zoom também (tem um específico
para touch que não lembro o nome agora. Não estou usando ele no momento).

Alguém já passou por isso?

Até!

Sérgio Abrantes

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Re: compra de notebook

2014-05-21 Thread Daniel Lenharo

Aproveito a Discussão para tirar uma duvida.

Estou necessitando de um note novo, e a questão custo x beneficio o que
mais tem me chamado a atenção é um Dell Inspirion 14R.

Alguém possui este equipamento?
Tiveram problema ao utilizar Debian?

sds

Daniel


Em 20 de maio de 2014 12:21, André Nunes Batista
andrenbati...@gmail.comescreveu:

 On Tue, 2014-05-20 at 09:53 -0300, Helio Loureiro wrote:
  Oi,
 
  A ASL existe pra esse tipo de coisa.


 Valeu pela dica, vou entrar em contato com eles!

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Re: compra de notebook

2014-05-21 Thread Linux - Junior Polegato


Em 21-05-2014 15:00, Daniel Lenharo escreveu:

Aproveito a Discussão para tirar uma duvida.
Estou necessitando de um note novo, e a questão custo x beneficio o 
que mais tem me chamado a atenção é um Dell Inspirion 14R.

Alguém possui este equipamento?
Tiveram problema ao utilizar Debian?


Olá!

Já comprei para a empresa os modelos 14, 14R e 14z, o meu é 
14z, excelente. Nenhuma reclamação quanto ao uso do Debian Testing 
neles. Com Stable, se não me engano, para a placa de rede com fio 
precisa instalar o driver separadamente, não faz parte do kernel nessa 
versão.


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Re: compra de notebook

2014-05-21 Thread Daniel Lenharo

Opa,

Obrigado!!!

sds


Em 21 de maio de 2014 15:10, Linux - Junior Polegato 
li...@juniorpolegato.com.br escreveu:

 Em 21-05-2014 15:00, Daniel Lenharo escreveu:

  Aproveito a Discussão para tirar uma duvida.
 Estou necessitando de um note novo, e a questão custo x beneficio o que
 mais tem me chamado a atenção é um Dell Inspirion 14R.
 Alguém possui este equipamento?
 Tiveram problema ao utilizar Debian?


 Olá!

 Já comprei para a empresa os modelos 14, 14R e 14z, o meu é 14z,
 excelente. Nenhuma reclamação quanto ao uso do Debian Testing neles. Com
 Stable, se não me engano, para a placa de rede com fio precisa instalar o
 driver separadamente, não faz parte do kernel nessa versão.

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Driver AMD

2014-05-21 Thread Ridson Xavier de Moura

Boa tarde.

Tenho um notebook Samsung com AMD A6-3420M APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics
× 4 utilizando o ubuntu 14.04 64bits, meu problema e com o driver da amd
para a placa de video que quando instalo o sistema trava e tenho q
resintalar tudo. poderia me ajudar?

Grato.

Re: Tela touchscreen

2014-05-21 Thread Sérgio Abrantes Junior

China,

Difícil checar antes creio eu.
Como você faz?
Em 21/05/2014 14:56, China china.lis...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Pode ser obra de software não livre, que não deve ter nos repositórios
 Debian. Dê uma procurada nos foruns do Ubuntu, que adoram um software
 proprietário, pra ver se tem algo que funcione. Se for proprietário,
 você decide se instala ou não, já que já comprou a máquina (eu sempre
 checo se funciona antes de comprar!).

 Em 21 de maio de 2014 09:30, Sérgio Abrantes Junior
 sergioabran...@gmail.com escreveu:
  Olá pessoal,
 
  Comprei um note Dell com tela touch e instalei o Debian 7 nele.
  Instalei também todos os pacotes que encontrei que faziam referência a
 touch
  nos repositórios.
  De fato o touch está funcionando, mas em partes.
  Explicando  melhor, o touch funciona em menus, seleções ,etc.
  Mas não funciona por exemplo em navegador aumentando o zoom da página.
  Rolagem também só funciona clicando na barra lateral.
  Ele veio originalmente com Windows 8 e simplesmente tudo funciona touch.
  Achei incrível, mas quero usar Debian (já usava antes).
  Usei o Windows que veio nele por um tempo para ver o comportamento.
  Leitores de PDF por exemplo não funciona o zoom também (tem um específico
  para touch que não lembro o nome agora. Não estou usando ele no momento).
 
  Alguém já passou por isso?
 
  Até!
 
  Sérgio Abrantes

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Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.

2014-05-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness

On 5/21/14, Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote:
 i have just installed debian 7 and i am feeling a bit uncomfortable with
 the new look (unity type) i want the all time old menu gnome classic.
 how can i enable that.

Basically, your options are:
1) Install XFCE desktop
apt-cache show xfce4
http://www.xfce.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfce

2) Install Cinnamon desktop
apt-cache show cinnamon # sid only/ incomplete?
http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon_(software)

3) Install Mate desktop
apt-cache show mate-desktop # sid only?
http://mate-desktop.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_(desktop_environment)

4) Gnome plugins to make it look more like gnome classic
??
http://thearchway.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/turning-gnome-3-into-a-usable-thing/
https://extensions.gnome.org/

Good luck,
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Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.

2014-05-21 Thread Chris Angelico

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote:
 i have just installed debian 7 and i am feeling a bit uncomfortable with the
 new look (unity type) i want the all time old menu gnome classic. how
 can i enable that.


I recommend installing Xfce, which is very similar to GNOME 2 (and
also happens to be fairly comfortable for someone coming from the OS/2
Presentation Manager). It's the default in Debian Jessie, so switching
now will mean you're on the same thing when Jessie becomes stable.

# apt-get install xfce4

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Istrazni postupak protiv RH zbog krsenja slobode medija

2014-05-21 Thread Zlatko Zeljko

VAŽNA OBAVIJEST
 
Prijedlog za pokretanje istražnog postupka protiv Republike Hrvatske u 
Europskom parlamentu zbog ograničenja slobode medija (HRT-a)
 
Poštovani,
 
Obavještavamo Vas da je predloženo pokretanje istražnog postupka u Europskom 
parlamentu protiv Republike Hrvatske zbog povrede članka 11 (2) Povelje o 
fundamentalnim pravima Europske unije, a odnosi se na nedozvoljeni utjecaj 
aktualne vlasti na rad Hrvatske radiotelevizije, čime je ugroženo pravo na 
objektivno informiranje. Više o Prijedlogu pročitajte na 
http://www.jurpro.hr/images/Clanci/PETITION-HRT.pdf .
 
Svjedoci smo još uvijek svakodnevne zloupotrebe Hrvatske radio televizije za 
političku promociju najviših vrhova vlasti. Tako je u pravilu neizostavan 
svakodnevni prilog o aktualnom predsjedniku države u centralnom dnevniku HTV-a. 
 
 
Peticiju za medijske slobode na Hrvatskoj radioteleviziji potpisalo je više od 
14 000 građana, a ista se i dalje može potpisati online na slijedećem linku: 
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/promjena-zakona-o-hrt-u.html .
 
Pridružite se i Vi potpisu Peticije, ako to već niste učinili, i time 
sudjelujte o određivanju vlastite budućnosti i budućnosti Vaših najmilijih. 
 
Kako bi se prikupio što veći broj potpisnika Peticije, proslijedite ovu 
obavijest dalje svojim prijateljima, kolegama i poslovnim partnerima.
 
Lijepi pozdrav,
 
JURIS PROTECTA
Udruga za unapređenje pravosuđa u RH
Zlatko Zeljko, predsjednik 
www.jurpro.hr 
 
PS: Ako ne želite više dobivati naše obavijesti, možete se odjaviti klikoim na 
link ODJAVA i upisati e-mail adresu koju odjavljujete.

Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.

2014-05-21 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan

thanks alot guyz, i am actually a server side guy using mostly terminal
window. i am new to gnome and xfce.
so my question is, are all the applications from gnome will be available in
xfce, is it like a layer on the top of gnome 3. are all gnome utilities
will be available as well? like system monitor etc.

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:

On 5/21/14, Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote:
i have just installed debian 7 and i am feeling a bit uncomfortable with
the new look (unity type) i want the all time old menu gnome classic.
how can i enable that.

Basically, your options are:
1) Install XFCE desktop
apt-cache show xfce4
http://www.xfce.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfce

2) Install Cinnamon desktop
apt-cache show cinnamon # sid only/ incomplete?
http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon_(software)

3) Install Mate desktop
apt-cache show mate-desktop # sid only?
http://mate-desktop.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_(desktop_environment)

4) Gnome plugins to make it look more like gnome classic
??

http://thearchway.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/turning-gnome-3-into-a-usable-thing/
https://extensions.gnome.org/

Good luck,
Zenaan

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Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.

2014-05-21 Thread Chris Angelico

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote:
 thanks alot guyz, i am actually a server side guy using mostly terminal
 window. i am new to gnome and xfce.
 so my question is, are all the applications from gnome will be available in
 xfce, is it like a layer on the top of gnome 3. are all gnome utilities will
 be available as well? like system monitor  etc.

Applications should run just fine. I've used gnome-system-monitor
under Xfce no problem. (Also gnome-terminal works, but I prefer
xfce4-terminal.)

ChrisA


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Systemd and vt9

2014-05-21 Thread Marc Shapiro

I have been reading a lot of posts (here and in devel) about the 
upcoming change to Systemd as the default init system in Jessie.  I came 
acrosss a post along the wasy that mentioned a debug option that would 
open a root shell in vt9.  This could cause a problem for me as I always 
have an X session running in vt9 (as well as one on vt7 and one on vt8).


Yes, there are three X sessions always running on my system.  Mine, my 
wife's and my daughter's.  All it takes is a Ctl-Alt-Fx to switch 
between sessions so there is no need for all three of us to use a single 
X session, or to log out and back in as a new user. Everything is always 
just as I left it when I return to the computer, even if both my wife 
and daughter have been using it for hours.



I accomplish this by using an alias for startx in each of our logins.  I 
use:


alias startx='clear; startx -- :0 vt07'

for myself,

alias startx='clear; startx -- :1 vt08'

for my wife, and

alias startx='clear; startx -- :2 vt09'

for my daughter.


So can anyone who is actually using Systemd now (I am still on Wheezy, 
BTW) tell me if this is going to be an issue for me?  Can I do this once 
my box has been converted to Systemd?  What about that root login on vt9?


Marc



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Re: GPT and SSDs

2014-05-21 Thread Efraim Flashner

On Mon, 19 May 2014 12:19:47 -0400
Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:

 On 19/05/14 09:04 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
  On Mon, 19 May 2014, Gary Dale wrote:
  This led me into partitioning. I thought that GPT pretty much gave
  you proper partition alignment, but now I think I was mistaken on
  Unfortunately, it doesn't :-(
 
  that point. gdisk shows my first partition starting at 34, with the
  fdisk info showing 255 heads, 63 sectors/track. That doesn't come
  close to 4k alignment.
  You're using a SSD.  You need 4KiB aligment, but you really want
  erase-block alignment.  When in doubt, use the 1MiB default
  alignment used by Debian (and most other Linux distros) and also by
  MS Windows.
 
  Since Debian Wheezy, the Debian installer for x86 (i386 and amd64)
  should have done this properly as long as you let it wipe any
  preexisting partition tables (that might be incorrectly aligned).
 
  Unfortunately, the Debian installer for other arches (such as
  powerpc) may be buggy and get it wrong (in fact, powerpc's
  installer fails to align GPT partitions).
 
  BTW: you also need to align the data area of any LVM PVs (which
  really can only be done at PV creation time), and create the
  filesystem with the proper alignment for their internal
  structures.  The debian installer for i386 and amd64 is known to do
  this correctly, but YMMV on any of the other arches.
 
  Before I haul out sysrescuecd and move my partitions around, I
  thought I'd ask for suggestions. Should I move the filesystem to
  something that is a multiple of 8, do something else, or look
  elsewhere for a solution to my problem?
  Align everything to 1MiB (or, if you happen to know it, the erase
  block size of your SSD, which will be a submultiple of 1MiB).
 
  You can ignore cylinder alignment: the BIOS would boot using LBA
  information anyway and ignore the cylinder/sector/head crap, EFI
  will grok the GPT natively, and you should not be letting any
  operating systems old enought to not operate in LBA mode anywere
  close to a raw device.
 
  Don't use half-assed tools to mess with the partitions.  Proper
  tools known to get aligment right by default on Debian
  stable/testing are: gdisk, cfdisk, mdadm, lvm, mke2fs (mkfs.ext4),
  mkfs.xfs (for XFS).  parted gets it right only if you give it
  fuzzy units (such as 0% instead of 0 for the start of a
  partition).  fdisk also aligns correctly when it is not trying to
  be compatible with old DOS.
 When I use gparted with 1M alignment, it didn't change the 34 start 
 sector. In fact the only change was that gdisk now reports 2-sector 
 alignment:
 
Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT.
Disk /dev/sda: 234441648 sectors, 111.8 GiB
Logical sector size: 512 bytes
Disk identifier (GUID): 8017C70A-FA69-48DD-9227-825774B31816
Partition table holds up to 128 entries
First usable sector is 34, last usable sector is 234441614
Partitions will be aligned on 2-sector boundaries
Total free space is 911 sectors (455.5 KiB)
 
Number  Start (sector)End (sector)  Size   Code  Name
   1  34   232343551   110.8 GiB   8300  Linux
 filesystem 2   232343552   234440703   1024.0 MiB  EF02
 
 I then tried it by putting 1M free in front of the first partition.
 This changed the start sector to 4096, which is definitely on a 4k
 boundary, if slightly wasteful. This confirms your point that parted
 is somewhat flaky when dealing with alignments.

While slightly wasteful, in practice you don't want to fill up an SSD
anyway, and as a group they work best with no more than 75% of the disk
filled with data.

 Anyway, with this new alignment, my computer doesn't lock up for as 
 long. I'm still getting a few seconds here and there however. I have
 a network switch that may be going bad - my brother in law couldn't
 get it to work with his laptop, so maybe there's problem with it too.
 

What mount options do you have for your SSD mounted partitions? I
vacilate on putting discard in mine, but currently I just have relatime
for /, and relatime,user_xattr for /home.  Discard will run the garbage
collection when you modify files, but after I install updates and I'm
ready to drop down to user I run 'fstrim -v /; fstrim -v /home; exit'.
The lock up that you're describing sounds like garbage collection
running.

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GUI

2014-05-21 Thread Divya Subramanian

I want to create a GUI, in which, on clicking applications menu, it must
show the installed apps in a grid view.

Can anyone help me ?

 Regards,

Divya Subramanian

Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.

2014-05-21 Thread Joe

On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:57:29 +0500
Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote:

 thanks alot guyz, i am actually a server side guy using mostly
 terminal window. i am new to gnome and xfce.
 so my question is, are all the applications from gnome will be
 available in xfce, is it like a layer on the top of gnome 3. are all
 gnome utilities will be available as well? like system monitor  etc.
 
 

The Linux desktop environment isn't monolithic like Windows, it's just a
collection of bits. Gnome and KDE applications will work, but will
often bring large DE-specific libraries with them. With modern disc
sizes, this shouldn't be a problem. I occasionally use Konqueror, and I
like gedit, while using an Xfce desktop. I like Network Manager, now
that it pretty much works, on my mobile sid/Xfce machines but not on my
workstation. The other medium-weight DE is LXDE. Most applets are
available for one or some DE panels, not all, but it is usually
possible to run a panel from one DE in another.

In Linux, a window manager will operate without a desktop environment,
but this is a little too minimalist for me. My server has no X at all,
and I'm quite happy with mc, aptitude and a few other bits and pieces,
but on a working desktop machine I want a bit more comfort.

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Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.

2014-05-21 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan

do i have to uninstall gnome3 in order to work with xfce4 actually i wanted
to run both by enabling one and disabiling other for testing puporse or to
evaluate which one is better for me.
btw i installed xfce4 and restarted the system however it again gave me the
gnome 3 desktop.


On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  thanks alot guyz, i am actually a server side guy using mostly terminal
  window. i am new to gnome and xfce.
  so my question is, are all the applications from gnome will be available
 in
  xfce, is it like a layer on the top of gnome 3. are all gnome utilities
 will
  be available as well? like system monitor  etc.

 Applications should run just fine. I've used gnome-system-monitor
 under Xfce no problem. (Also gnome-terminal works, but I prefer
 xfce4-terminal.)

 ChrisA


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Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.

2014-05-21 Thread David Dušanić

21.05.2014, 07:54, "Muhammad Yousuf Khan" sir...@gmail.com:i have just installed debian 7 and i am feeling a bit uncomfortable with the new look ("unity" type) i want the all time old menu "gnome classic". how can i enable that.Thanks,Myk  Log out and choose Gnome Classic from the GDM drop down menu.  -- David Dusanic 


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Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.

2014-05-21 Thread Chris Angelico

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote:
 do i have to uninstall gnome3 in order to work with xfce4 actually i wanted
 to run both by enabling one and disabiling other for testing puporse or to
 evaluate which one is better for me.
 btw i installed xfce4 and restarted the system however it again gave me the
 gnome 3 desktop.

It's perfectly safe to have two desktop environments installed. Your
login screen will probably let you choose which one to use.

ChrisA


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Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.

2014-05-21 Thread David Dušanić

21.05.2014, 10:00, "Muhammad Yousuf Khan" sir...@gmail.com:do i have to uninstall gnome3 in order to work with xfce4 actually i wanted to run both by enabling one and disabiling other for testing puporse or to evaluate which one is better for me. btw i installed xfce4 and restarted the system however it again gave me the gnome 3 desktop.  Again, you have to choose Xfce session from your login manager.No, you do not have to uninstall Gnome 3. -- David Dusanic 


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Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.

2014-05-21 Thread Joe

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:47 +0500
Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote:

 do i have to uninstall gnome3 in order to work with xfce4 actually i
 wanted to run both by enabling one and disabiling other for testing
 puporse or to evaluate which one is better for me.
 btw i installed xfce4 and restarted the system however it again gave
 me the gnome 3 desktop.
 


Depending on what display manager you use, have a poke around the login
screen, most have a box which allows choice of the session type.

Generally every possible DE and window manager installed are offered,
usually a 'failsafe' one, with a default to the last one used.

I'm using KDM, there are several other display managers.

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Re: Debian 5 -- data is plural.

2014-05-21 Thread Anthony Campbell

On 20 May 2014, Weaver wrote:

[snip] 

 This is only currently in the context of scientific literature and even
 perhaps dying out in that context, over time, also.
 
 It descends from English language inheritance of Latin language
 terminology, and the English language is moving on, as language ever does.
 
 At present, within the context of scientific documentation, this is
 correct, but elsewhere, no longer necessary.
 Cheers!
 
 Weaver (Technical Communicator)

Pedantic or not, I'd never treat data or media as singular. An still
worse usage, which I find even with some scientific speakers, is to use
bacteria as singular. If we are going to anglicise the word, which I
think is a defensible view, we should make the plural to be
bacteriums.

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Re: GUI

2014-05-21 Thread Darac Marjal

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:54:59PM +0530, Divya Subramanian wrote:
I want to create a GUI, in which, on clicking applications menu, it must
show the installed apps in a grid view.
 
Can anyone help me ?

First of all, create the application in your favourite programming
language. Personally, I would look at using some sort of flexible
container as the main element of the GUI and populating it with cells
according to the list of applications. Consult the manual of your widget
toolkit for how to do that.

Next, in order to learn what applications are installed, you're probably
best following the XDG-Menu specification[1]. AFAIK, all the major
desktops follow the XDG specifications to some extent so you should be
able to pick up all the application information that way.

Finally, depending on your desktop, remove the existing application menu
from the panel and add an application launcher with calls your new
application.

For extra credit, why not package up the result and get it into Debian?
:)


[1] https://freedesktop.org/www/Specifications/menu-spec/

 Regards,
Divya Subramanian


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Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.

2014-05-21 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan

Thanks Joe, David , Chirs and all . actually login screen step worked for
me. even i am also trying xfce4.
can i make gnome classic default loging environment?

Thanks




On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote:

 On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:47 +0500
 Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote:

  do i have to uninstall gnome3 in order to work with xfce4 actually i
  wanted to run both by enabling one and disabiling other for testing
  puporse or to evaluate which one is better for me.
  btw i installed xfce4 and restarted the system however it again gave
  me the gnome 3 desktop.
 
 

 Depending on what display manager you use, have a poke around the login
 screen, most have a box which allows choice of the session type.

 Generally every possible DE and window manager installed are offered,
 usually a 'failsafe' one, with a default to the last one used.

 I'm using KDM, there are several other display managers.

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Re: Systemd and vt9

On Tue, 20 May 2014 23:53:04 -0700
Marc Shapiro marcns...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have been reading a lot of posts (here and in devel) about the 
 upcoming change to Systemd as the default init system in Jessie.  I
 came acrosss a post along the wasy that mentioned a debug option that
 would open a root shell in vt9.  This could cause a problem for me as
 I always have an X session running in vt9 (as well as one on vt7 and
 one on vt8).
 
 Yes, there are three X sessions always running on my system.  Mine,
 my wife's and my daughter's.  All it takes is a Ctl-Alt-Fx to switch 
 between sessions so there is no need for all three of us to use a
 single X session, or to log out and back in as a new user. Everything
 is always just as I left it when I return to the computer, even if
 both my wife and daughter have been using it for hours.
 
 
 I accomplish this by using an alias for startx in each of our
 logins.  I use:
 
  alias startx='clear; startx -- :0 vt07'
 
 for myself,
 
  alias startx='clear; startx -- :1 vt08'
 
 for my wife, and
 
  alias startx='clear; startx -- :2 vt09'
 
 for my daughter.
 
 
 So can anyone who is actually using Systemd now (I am still on
 Wheezy, BTW) tell me if this is going to be an issue for me?  Can I
 do this once my box has been converted to Systemd?  What about that
 root login on vt9?
 
 Marc
 
 
 

The debug shell on vt9 is not active by default. You only want to
enable that when you have boot problems, as it gives you a root shell
without requiring any authentication.

$ systemctl status debug-shell
debug-shell.service - Early root shell on /dev/tty9 FOR DEBUGGING ONLY
   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/debug-shell.service; disabled)
   Active: inactive (dead)
 Docs: man:sushell(8)


But even if the debug shell is running, the X server can still start on
vt9.


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Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.

2014-05-21 Thread Stephen Allen

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:57:29AM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
 thanks alot guyz, i am actually a server side guy using mostly terminal
 window. i am new to gnome and xfce.
 so my question is, are all the applications from gnome will be available in
 xfce, is it like a layer on the top of gnome 3. are all gnome utilities
 will be available as well? like system monitor  etc.
 
---end quoted text---

I'd stay away from Xfce4 it hasn't had much activity from the developer
for *some* time.

However Cinnamon is a good alternative as it's actively maintained and
uses the less buggy GTK3. MATE afaik is built with the GTK2 stuff that
is quite buggy. Or with Gnome-Shell there is fallback and other modes
that will probably give you the familiar interface.

That being said maybe give Gnome-Shell some time - I disliked it at
first, but after a month came around and can appreciate it. There are a
plethora of gnome-shell extensions also that can help one customize the
shell to look like the traditional desktop.


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Re: Systemd and vt9

2014-05-21 Thread Chris Bannister

On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:53:04PM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:
 
 So can anyone who is actually using Systemd now (I am still on Wheezy, BTW)
 tell me if this is going to be an issue for me?  Can I do this once my box
 has been converted to Systemd?  What about that root login on vt9?

Don't convert to systemd then. Systemd is going to be the default init
system for new installs. If on an upgrade you find that you are running
systemd you won't be the only one upset! That is when the sh*t will
really hit the fan.

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Re: Off-topic posting (was Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management)

2014-05-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf

Calm down folks :)!

A lot of us are subscribed to both lists, so there wouldn't be less
traffic for us, OTOH its easy to use the OT list when already
subscribed, since seemingly some are annoyed by the long threads about
digital politics.

Consider to continue at
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic
just to do those a favour, who guess those threads don't belong to
Debian user, regardless of whether they're right or wrong.

Those who are annoyed might want to listen to some real Brazilian music
to relax a little bit. Don't listen to Pitbull, his artist's name says
it all. Try this music instead:

Elis Regina  Tom Jobim- Waters of March (Portuguese version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3oNSFQVzNMlist=RDg3oNSFQVzNM#t=31

Tom Jobim - The Girl from Ipanema (Portuguese version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJzBxJ8ExRk

Have fun!
Ralf


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Re: Systemd and vt9

On Wed, 21 May 2014 21:49:06 +1200
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:

 On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:53:04PM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:
  
  So can anyone who is actually using Systemd now (I am still on
  Wheezy, BTW) tell me if this is going to be an issue for me?  Can I
  do this once my box has been converted to Systemd?  What about that
  root login on vt9?
 
 Don't convert to systemd then. Systemd is going to be the default init
 system for new installs. If on an upgrade you find that you are
 running systemd you won't be the only one upset! That is when the
 sh*t will really hit the fan.
 

Too late, I have already upgraded before I knew I was supposed to be
terrified of it. Will it take long before bad things start to happen ?


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Re: Accelerated driver for Intel video driver?

2014-05-21 Thread Pertti Kosunen


On 21.5.2014 2:43, Brad Alexander wrote:

I apologize, I thought I had specified, the machine in question is
running a relatively recent version of sid. I have not been upgrading as
much until some of this chaos with systemd settles down.


You can upgrade safely, systemd will not replace already installed 
sysv*. (yet?)



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Re: Systemd and vt9

2014-05-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness

On 5/21/14, Filip fi...@fbvnet.be wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 21:49:06 +1200
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:53:04PM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:
So can anyone who is actually using Systemd now (I am still on
Wheezy, BTW) tell me if this is going to be an issue for me? Can I
do this once my box has been converted to Systemd? What about that
root login on vt9?

Don't convert to systemd then. Systemd is going to be the default init
system for new installs. If on an upgrade you find that you are
running systemd you won't be the only one upset! That is when the
sh*t will really hit the fan.

Too late, I have already upgraded before I knew I was supposed to be
terrified of it. Will it take long before bad things start to happen ?

That's melodramatic.

I had some problems with my /etc/fstab file, since I had two bind
mounts and some interesting stuff there.

I straightened that out, and was booting again.

Then, I needed an extra argument to my command line startx command,
since that's how I start X.

The permissions things I'd fixed late last year when I first tested systemd.

Other than that, it's a faster boot, and a faster shutdown,
anecdotally and subjectively, but definitely noticeably.

The closer to stock-standard install you are, the easier _should_ be
your upgrade to systemd init. If it's already happened, and
everything's running for you, you're gold! Nothing to worry about now
:)

Enjoy your faster reboots,
Zenaan

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Re: Systemd and vt9

On Wed, 21 May 2014 20:47:25 +1000
Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:


 The closer to stock-standard install you are, the easier _should_ be
 your upgrade to systemd init. If it's already happened, and
 everything's running for you, you're gold! Nothing to worry about now
 :)
 
 Enjoy your faster reboots,
 Zenaan
 
 

I was only being sarcastic. I don't understand all this worry about
systemd. At least not if you're running Linux based system, as an
end-user.

Yes, other free operating systems that that can't currently run systemd
will have a problem because as more and more software depends on it they
will see themselves unable to run a lot of software. That is a
legitimate worry. There threatens to emerge a gap between more pure
Unix-like systems like the BSD's and systems like Linux that are
starting evolve beyond that. 


non-issue.


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Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-21 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI


On Ter, 20 Mai 2014, David Guntner wrote:


PLEASE, for the love of $DEITY and to have some compassion for the
people who are on this list because they want to discuss and read things
pertaining to the Debian OS without drowning in so much off-topic noise
that the list is becoming rendered useless for that purpose


Posting the same request multiple times, even if it is a valid  
request, does not help much those who want to discuss and read things  
pertaining to the Debian OS.


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Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.