Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 9/28/17, Patrick Bartek  wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 20:38:13 +0200 (CEST) Pierre Frenkiel
>  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>>
>> > I don't know if this will help, but I read a post somewhere (don't
>> > remember where) of someone who had troubles with the Ideapad 110S
>> > -- sound, touchpad, suspend, etc. -- after replacing Windows 10 with
>> > Stretch.  Installing a newer kernel from Stretch-Backports rectified
>> > those issues along with non-free firmware in the Stretch Repos
>> > and/or proprietary drivers.
>>   I have already the latest kernel version, but I would be interested
>>having some details about these non-free firmware and drivers.
>>Up to now, googling gave me nothing about that.
>
> 4.9?  Or 4.11 or 4.12?

4.13.4 :)

Cindy :)
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Re: Restore backup to KVM

[solitone]

On 28/09/17 08:58, Reco wrote:

It's initrd that first tries to mount tmpfs filesystems on /root (and
fails), and only *then* mounts your root filesystem to /root (with the
intention to switch to it as /).


Is the stock initrd supposed to work like this? When I boot my 
production system, I end up with tmpfs mounted on /run:


$ df
Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used  Available Use% Mounted on
udev   4027784 04027784   0% /dev
tmpfs   807952  1352 806600   1% /run
/dev/sda5 85825416  58793224   22629416  73% /
tmpfs  4039744  49724034772   1% /dev/shm
tmpfs 5120 4   5116   1% /run/lock
tmpfs  4039744 04039744   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/sda1   201633 23678 177955  12% /boot/efi
tmpfs   807948 0 807948   0% /run/user/113
tmpfs   80794820 807928   1% /run/user/1000

Also, I don't understand why it needs to mount the root filesystem to /root.

Re: Debian 9.1.0

[David Christensen]

On 09/28/17 07:11, Sumit Jain wrote:

While I was installing sudo in Debian it is not getting installed . It
shows that media change please insert the disc labelled.


The Debian package management system uses a configuration file and a 
configuration directory to determine where to obtain software packages. 
These are:


/etc/apt/sources.list

/etc/apt/sources.list.d


The Debian installer will create a default package management 
configuration file and an empty package management configuration 
directory for you during installation.



This is what the default package management configuration file looked 
like after I did a fresh install of Debian 9.1.0 amd64 XFCE on the 
machine I am using:


2017-09-28 19:20:33 dpchrist@tinkywinky 
~/tinkywinky.tracy.holgerdanske.com/etc/apt

$ cvs update -r 1.1 -p sources.list | nl
 1  #

 2	# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9.1.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 
xfce-CD Binary-1 20170722-11:29]/ stretch main


 3	deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9.1.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 
xfce-CD Binary-1 20170722-11:29]/ stretch main


 4  deb http://approx:/debian/ stretch main
 5  deb-src http://approx:/debian/ stretch main

 6  deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main
 7	deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security 
stretch/updates main


 8  # stretch-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
 9  deb http://approx:/debian/ stretch-updates main
10  deb-src http://approx:/debian/ stretch-updates main


Lines 1, 2, and 8 are commented out; they have no effect.


Line 3 is an entry for the installation media.  While it says "cdrom", I 
installed from a USB flash drive.  This is why apt-get(8), or whatever 
package management tool you are using, is asking you to change media 
when you try to install a package -- the media was mounted during 
installation, the package management system is still expecting the media 
to be mounted, but the media was not mounted when you tried to install a 
package.  So, the package management system told you to change media and 
mount the installation media.



Lines 4, 5, 9, and 10 were created by the Debian installer per my 
"Debian archive mirror country" and "Debian archive mirror hostname" 
choices during installation -- I choose "enter information manually" and 
entered "approx:", respectively.  (My local Approx server -- 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approx .)



Lines 6 and 7 were created by the Debian installer automatically.


You have at least two choices:

1.  Insert and/or mount the installation media before you install a package.

2.  As root, comment out the "cdrom" line in sources.list, run 'apt-get 
update', and then install a package.



HTH,

David

Debian 9 bluetooth fails worked on Debian 8 (firmware) bluetooth hci0: firmware: failed to load brcm/BCM20702A1-0b05-17cf.hcd

[Len Berman]

I copied firmware from Deb8 to Deb9; however, the file name needed to
change from BCM20702A1-0b05-17cf.hcd to BCM20702A0-0b05-17cf.hcd, so
when I copied the file, it still didn't work.  It took a while to see
that the file mentioned in dmesg >>really<< wasn't present.

Don't let it happen to you.

Re: Splitting MP3 files (again)

[Thomas Amm]

On Tue, 26 Sep 2017 23:05:15 +0200
deloptes  wrote:

> Thomas Amm wrote:
> 
> > Have you tried mp3split-gtk? Should do exactly that.  
> 
> I installed now mp3splt-gtk
> 
> It looks like it would do exactly what I need, but when I press the
> play button, it says "gstreamer error: Internal data stream error"
> 
> (22:26:24) Warning: No decoder available for type 'application/x-id3'.
> (22:26:24) gstreamer error: Your GStreamer installation is missing a
> plug-in.
> (22:26:24) gstreamer error: Internal data stream error.
> 
> installed the crap gstreamer1.0-plugins-good and it worked as
> expected.
> 
> The only problem left is that it does not produce the splitted file
> names from the original file.
> 
> It says "description here_part1.mp3"
> 
> I don't know if it is the file name itself is a problem. If you have
> some other nice advice, it's welcome
> 
> thank you all
> 
> regards
> 

You can generate somewhat better file names from the preferences or
-much better- you could use a tagging tool like exfalso or easytag to
create metadata and mp3splt will do the naming from these. There's also
an option to generate metadata (i.e. tags) from the filename but I have
never tried that.


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Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110

[Patrick Bartek]

On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 02:10:28 +0500 "Alexander V. Makartsev"
 wrote:

> Yeah, I'm still waiting for a reply with requested information from
> Pierre. Kinda hate it, when people asking for help and assumes
> everyone here has telepathic abilities. :(
> 
> 
> On 29.09.2017 01:57, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 20:38:13 +0200 (CEST) Pierre Frenkiel
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don't know if this will help, but I read a post somewhere (don't
> >>> remember where) of someone who had troubles with the Ideapad 110S
> >>> -- sound, touchpad, suspend, etc. -- after replacing Windows 10
> >>> with Stretch.  Installing a newer kernel from Stretch-Backports
> >>> rectified those issues along with non-free firmware in the
> >>> Stretch Repos and/or proprietary drivers.
> >>   I have already the latest kernel version, but I would be
> >> interested having some details about these non-free firmware and
> >> drivers. Up to now, googling gave me nothing about that.
> > 4.9?  Or 4.11 or 4.12?
> >
> > B

Well, patience IS a virtue . . . suppositorily. ;-)

B 

Re: image created by debootstrap does not work

[慕 冬亮]

On 09/27/2017 12:42 PM, Reco wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 04:32:34PM +, 慕 冬亮 wrote:
>>
>> On 09/22/2017 04:02 PM, Reco wrote:
>>> 
>>>
>>>   Hi.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 07:07:28PM +, 慕 冬亮 wrote:
 qemu-system-x86_64 -kernel /boot/vmlinuz-4.12.0-1-amd64 -hda
 qemu-stretch.img -append "root=/dev/sda1 single"
>> One small problem I have modified, sda1 => sda.
>> There is no any partition in image file.
 However, the result shows that "VFS: unable to mount root fs".
>>> And that's exactly how it should be. I'm not sure about jessie's kernel,
>>> but stretch one has ext support built as a module (CONFIG_EXT4_FS=m).
>>>
>>> Meaning - if you want to boot from ext2/ext4 filesystem you'll need
>>> initrd. This qemu invocation does not supply one.
>> I tried the following command, that uses the default initrd in /boot,
>> but dead loop "floopy error -5 while reading block 0"
>>
>> qemu-system-x86_64 -kernel /boot/vmlinuz-4.12.0-1-amd64 -initrd
>> /boot/initrd.img-4.12.0-1-amd64 -hda qemu-stretch.img -append
>> "root=/dev/sda single"
> There is other thread at this mailllist that also shows some curious
> breakage of stock Debian initrd if it's forced to boot from
> non-partitioned drive.
>
> My gut feeling is you can not force it to work unless you rebuild
> initrd.
>
>
 I learn the method from the following website:

 https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2017/01/16/setting-up-qemu-kvm-for-kernel-development/
>>> I'm genuinely surprised that such method worked for them.
>> I have learned how to use busybox as basic environment.
>> Is that any tutorial to show how to make debian debootstrap image as
>> basic environment?
> apt-get install vmdebootstrap
>
> man vmdebootstrap -- search for SYNOPSIS
This works. Thanks.
> Reco

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Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

Yeah, I'm still waiting for a reply with requested information from Pierre.
Kinda hate it, when people asking for help and assumes everyone here has
telepathic abilities. :(


On 29.09.2017 01:57, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 20:38:13 +0200 (CEST) Pierre Frenkiel
>  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know if this will help, but I read a post somewhere (don't
>>> remember where) of someone who had troubles with the Ideapad 110S
>>> -- sound, touchpad, suspend, etc. -- after replacing Windows 10 with
>>> Stretch.  Installing a newer kernel from Stretch-Backports rectified
>>> those issues along with non-free firmware in the Stretch Repos
>>> and/or proprietary drivers.
>>   I have already the latest kernel version, but I would be interested
>>having some details about these non-free firmware and drivers.
>>Up to now, googling gave me nothing about that.
> 4.9?  Or 4.11 or 4.12?
>
> B
>

Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110

[Patrick Bartek]

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 20:38:13 +0200 (CEST) Pierre Frenkiel
 wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> 
> > I don't know if this will help, but I read a post somewhere (don't
> > remember where) of someone who had troubles with the Ideapad 110S
> > -- sound, touchpad, suspend, etc. -- after replacing Windows 10 with
> > Stretch.  Installing a newer kernel from Stretch-Backports rectified
> > those issues along with non-free firmware in the Stretch Repos
> > and/or proprietary drivers.
>   I have already the latest kernel version, but I would be interested
>having some details about these non-free firmware and drivers.
>Up to now, googling gave me nothing about that.

4.9?  Or 4.11 or 4.12?

B

Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Curt wrote:


Realtek offers a proprietary driver for linux (last updated 2014).

Looks like you have to compile it.

http://airbornesurfer.com/2015/04/how-to-install-realtek-hd-audio-driver-in-linux/


thanks Curt for this information. I'll look at it to-morrow

best regards,
--
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Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

Installing package firmware-linux in Stretch will pull in all the firmware, 
free, non-free, etc.


   they are already installed, but only firmware-linux-free is not empty,
   and I don't see something useful (for me) in it.

Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110

[Curt]

On 2017-09-28, Pierre Frenkiel  wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>
>> I don't know if this will help, but I read a post somewhere (don't
>> remember where) of someone who had troubles with the Ideapad 110S
>> -- sound, touchpad, suspend, etc. -- after replacing Windows 10 with
>> Stretch.  Installing a newer kernel from Stretch-Backports rectified
>> those issues along with non-free firmware in the Stretch Repos and/or
>> proprietary drivers.
>   I have already the latest kernel version, but I would be interested
>having some details about these non-free firmware and drivers.
>Up to now, googling gave me nothing about that.
>
> best regards,


Realtek offers a proprietary driver for linux (last updated 2014).

Looks like you have to compile it.

http://airbornesurfer.com/2015/04/how-to-install-realtek-hd-audio-driver-in-linux/

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Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/28/2017 11:38 AM, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Patrick Bartek wrote:


I don't know if this will help, but I read a post somewhere (don't
remember where) of someone who had troubles with the Ideapad 110S
-- sound, touchpad, suspend, etc. -- after replacing Windows 10 with
Stretch.  Installing a newer kernel from Stretch-Backports rectified
those issues along with non-free firmware in the Stretch Repos and/or
proprietary drivers.

  I have already the latest kernel version, but I would be interested
   having some details about these non-free firmware and drivers.
   Up to now, googling gave me nothing about that.

best regards,


Installing package firmware-linux in Stretch will pull in all the 
firmware, free, non-free, etc.

--
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Ubuntu 16.04 LTS - KDE Plasma 4.8.5 -AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Re : origem do logo Debian

[Helio Loureiro]

Por isso que Debian vai por padrão com Linux, não linux-libre.

./helio

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On Sep 28, 2017 16:32, "Eduardo Klosowski" 
wrote:

> Sério? Não vejo nada que impeça a pessoa usar o linux-libre como ela o
> quiser. Inclusive no texto da GPL tem uma clausula que fala sobre isso:
>
> BECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS LICENSED FREE OF CHARGE, THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR
> THE PROGRAM, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW.  EXCEPT WHEN
> OTHERWISE STATED IN WRITING THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND/OR OTHER PARTIES
> PROVIDE THE PROGRAM "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED
> OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF
> MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  THE ENTIRE RISK AS
> TO THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE PROGRAM IS WITH YOU.  SHOULD THE
> PROGRAM PROVE DEFECTIVE, YOU ASSUME THE COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING,
> REPAIR OR CORRECTION.
>
> Se você quiser corrigir esse comportamento, você tem toda a liberdade de
> adaptar o software para as suas necessidades.
>
> O que vejo é mimimi de algumas pessoas porque o software não funciona ou
> não é da forma que eles querem, tanto nesse caso do kernel, quando em
> outros softwares que só reclamam que a arquitetura dele é assim ou assada,
> ou que não tem várias funcionalidades. Se você realmente quer a função X,
> então escreva ela, isso é liberdade de software. E se for reclamar no
> upstream, em nenhum lugar diz que eles são obrigados a usar as suas
> alterações.
>
> Blog: https://eduardoklosowski.wordpress.com/
> GitLab: https://gitlab.com/u/eduardoklosowski/
> GitHub: https://github.com/eduardoklosowski/
>
> Em 28-09-2017 11:06, Helio Loureiro escreveu:
>
>> Linux-libre fere as 4 liberdades quanto ao permitir ao usuário rodar como
>> quiser e onde quiser.
>>
>>   * The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom
>> 0).
>>
>>
>> Vänliga hälsningar/Best Regards,
>> Helio Loureiro
>> http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
>> https://se.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
>> http://twitter.com/helioloureiro
>>
>> Note: if you failed to reach me, try my alternative mail "
>> helio.loure...@gmail.com ".
>> I'm implementing DKIM on my mail server, so some disturbance is expected.
>>
>>
>> Em 28 de setembro de 2017 15:51, Daniel Lenharo de Souza <
>> lenh...@debian.org > escreveu:
>>
>>
>> Em 28-09-2017 10:39, Thiago C. F. escreveu:
>>
>>>
>>> Em 28 de setembro de 2017 04:37, Helio Loureiro
>>> > escreveu:
>>>
>>> Na verdade não são distro livres.  Elas usam o linux-libre que
>>> é um patch em cima do linux que bloqueia o uso de firmware
>>> proprietário.  Cercear a escolha do usuário não é liberdade.
>>>  O Debian por padrão vai sem firmwares e sem o repositório
>>> non-free.  Dá ao usuário a liberdade de escolha.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sério? Achava que era um novo kernel, um fork do kernel e não
>>> apenas um script que diferencia. É liberdade de escolha também eu
>>> concordo que deveria partir do usuário por livre espontânea
>>> vontade. Mas este "livre" para a FSF é livre de blobs, e não
>>> liberdade de escolha.
>>>
>>
>> O Oliva já disse varias vezes que esse comportamento é um bug do
>> script. Pela definição, mesmo após a limpeza, se o usuário quiser,
>> ele conseguiria instalar non-frees.
>>
>>>
>>> Essa bolsonoragem da FSF de enfiar liberdade - segundo ela -
>>> goela abaixo é algo novo.  Eu particularmente acho deplorável
>>> e fiz uma reclamação a ela sobre isso.  Eles respoderam que é
>>> recomendação, não obrigação.  Ainda assim achei que Debian
>>> merecia estar ali.
>>>
>>> Vänliga hälsningar/Best Regards,
>>> Helio Loureiro
>>> http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
>>> https://se.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
>>> 
>>> http://twitter.com/helioloureiro
>>> 
>>>
>>> Note: if you failed to reach me, try my alternative mail
>>> "helio.loure...@gmail.com ".
>>> I'm implementing DKIM on my mail server, so some disturbance
>>> is expected.
>>>
>>>
>>> Em 27 de setembro de 2017 18:40, Leandro Guimarães Faria
>>> Corcete DUTRA > escreveu:
>>>
>>> Le mercredi 27 septembre 2017 à 11:46 -0300, Gilberto F da
>>> Silva a
>>> écrit :
>>> >
>>> >   O que a Free Software Foundation recomenda como sistema
>>> > operacional?
>>>
>>> A FSF tem uma lista de distribuições livres, inclusive a
>>> Guix mas
>>> incluindo também pelo menos uma derivada de Debian cujo
>>> nome agora me
>>> 

Re: An answer to "Gave up waiting for suspend/resume device"

[David Wright]

On Thu 28 Sep 2017 at 10:29:27 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Le 28/09/2017 à 09:39, Jimmy Johnson a écrit :
> >On 09/27/2017 02:38 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> >>Le 27/09/2017 à 10:37, Jimmy Johnson a écrit :
> >
> >>>  But if everything is correct and you are using lets say sda1
> >>>as root in your fstab your system will use sda1 as the LABEL,
> >>>I've seen this over and over.
> >>
> >>Nonsense. sda1 is the block device name and does not have
> >>anything to do with the LABEL which is a filesystem metadata
> >>field.
> >>
> >>>But all this is advanced setup for people running more than
> >>>one Linux system and having to edit UUID on all systems
> >>>because you install a new system is undesirable.
> >>
> >>No it does not have anything to do with multiple Linux systems.
> >
> >In fstab a label is used as a device name, a uuid is used as a
> >device name and /dev/sda1 is a device name, you are just trying to
> >make nonsense out of nothing.
> 
> A label or a UUID are not really used as device names, they are used
> *instead* of a device name.
> 
> Anyway, this is not the same as what you wrote earlier and is pure
> nonsense :
> 
> "your system will use sda1 as the LABEL"
> 
> Unless you meant "define 'sda1' as the filesystem/swap label and use
> LABEL='sda1' in /etc/fstab", which is a really bad use of labels
> leading to confusion between labels and device names. Labels are
> meant to be explicit about the contents, not the container.
> 
> >And editing multiple fstab config files because I've installed a
> >new system is, like I said undesirable and why I use device names
> >in both my fstab and grub boot menu.  As you know when a new
> >system is installed swap is formatted and it's uuid gets changed
> >every time it's formatted.
> 
> The Debian installer does this, but I am not sure that all other
> distro installers do the same. Moreover, the Debian installer will
> format an existing swap only if that swap is marked for use (the
> trick is that all existing swaps are automatically marked for use by
> default, so you have to pay attention and unmark them if you do not
> want them to be formatted). IMO this is a real bug in the installer.
> 
> So my general policy when installing Debian is to mark any existing
> swap as "not used", and if I want to share an existing swap, I add
> the line manually in /etc/fstab in the new system after the
> installation.

In the past I have used the VC2 shell to swapon immediately the
partitioner has formatted the partitions (but not swap), ie just
before "Install the base system". This has never caused a problem
for me, but the Installation Guide says:

"In particular, you should always use [sic] let the installer activate
your swap partition and not do this yourself from a shell." (§6.3.8.2)

Any idea why?

Cheers,
David.

Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Patrick Bartek wrote:


I don't know if this will help, but I read a post somewhere (don't
remember where) of someone who had troubles with the Ideapad 110S
-- sound, touchpad, suspend, etc. -- after replacing Windows 10 with
Stretch.  Installing a newer kernel from Stretch-Backports rectified
those issues along with non-free firmware in the Stretch Repos and/or
proprietary drivers.

 I have already the latest kernel version, but I would be interested
  having some details about these non-free firmware and drivers.
  Up to now, googling gave me nothing about that.

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

Debian v9 it's a stretch

[tony mollica]

Been off the mailing list for a short time but I found something that's 
probably common knowledge by now, but I'll post it anyway.


After a fresh install of Stretch my networking, especially my wifi 
networking, took a turn for the worse, neither NM nor wicd working to 
any degree of connection reliablility.  There were some other problems, 
too.


Aftera another fresh install to a new hdd with all the mods I like in 
place (nvidia) and a new motherboard, processor (4.5Ghz FX) and video 
the network problems persist.  BUT, found one email to a list that 
indicated the problem was likely the persistent network naming being 
incompatible (read 'names too long') with some of the firmware/drivers, 
especially for USB wifi adapters.


Killed the persistent network interface naming and all the network stuff 
now works perfectly.


If the 'old' naming conventions are going away with Debian 10 then maybe 
someone should let the driver folks know this, if not already.


tjm

Re: Security updates for Chromium on Debian Jessie

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi, Sven.

On 28/09/17 14:13, Sven Joachim wrote:

>> In the last DSA for the chromium-browser package (DSA-3985-1) I noticed
>> that the updates were released for stable, testing and unstable but not
>> for oldstable. I think the same thing happened with the previous update.
>>
>> Maybe I'm missing something and Chromium on Jessie is no longer getting
>> security updates?

> It seems that the maintainer is overworked and cannot provide Jessie
> updates for chromium anymore[1].  Somebody else said he might be looking
> at it[2], but that was six weeks ago and nothing happened so far.
> 
> So while it is not clear when chromium in jessie will be EOL'ed, it
> seems advisable to switch to some other browser for now (if you want a
> package from Debian, firefox-esr is the only option).
>
> 
> 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2017/07/msg9.html
> 2. https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2017/08/msg00010.html

Thanks for the observation and the references. I was not aware of this.

Here I am using both Firefox and Chromium since sometimes I need to test
some things in both browsers (for example some WebRTC application such
as Jitsi Meet).

Thanks for your reply.

Kind regards,
Daniel



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Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110

[Patrick Bartek]

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 14:48:27 +0200 (CEST) Pierre Frenkiel
 wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Curt wrote:
> 
> > On 2017-09-28, Pierre Frenkiel  wrote:
> >>
> >> So, the problem is not with the plug, as generally it must
> >> unplugged to get the sound through the speaker.
> >>
> >
> > I suppose it is possible that the sensing circuitry or switch (?)
> > in the headphone jack is faulty or failing so that when you pull
> > the headphone plug out of the jack socket the audio signal isn't
> > being switched to the speakers, the plug's absence failing to be
> > detected (or its presence continuing to be).
> 
> I said, in a previous post, that on Windows, the sound works for
> the speaker and the headphone...

I don't know if this will help, but I read a post somewhere (don't
remember where) of someone who had troubles with the Ideapad 110S
-- sound, touchpad, suspend, etc. -- after replacing Windows 10 with
Stretch.  Installing a newer kernel from Stretch-Backports rectified
those issues along with non-free firmware in the Stretch Repos and/or
proprietary drivers.

I'm interested in any solutions you discover.  I'm looking at the 110S
as a light, compact "travel" notebook.

B

Re: security-cdn.debian.org weigert me?

[Geert Stappers]

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 01:22:44PM +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Op 28-09-17 om 12:27 schreef Floris:
> > Waar verwijzen de guests naar?
> security.debian.org verwijst daar ook naar villa.debian.org.
> 
> Hmm, op de probleem-machine verwijst dit naar
> mirror-conova-security.debian.org. En op een andere machine naar
> wieck.debian.org. Blijkbaar verschilt dit.
> 
> Maar de melding gaat niet over security.debian.org, maar om
> security-cdn.debian.org, en dat verwijst naar
> prod.debian.map.fastly.net. Zowel op de host als op de guests.

De host in kwestie, kan die wel bij andere webservers?

   curl http://stappers.it/t/

zou tijdstip en IP-adres ( v4 of v6 ) moeten laten zien.


Groeten
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Re: How to use zram ?

[tomas]

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On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 06:01:10PM +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Le 28/09/2017 à 16:37, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit :
> >
> >Remember Stacker?
> 
> The disk compression tool for MS-DOS ?
> 
> >(this one is actually smarter, because when it *has* to
> >swap, the already compressed stuff gets swapped out, reducing I/O).
> 
> From what I have read about zram, I did not get the impression that
> its contents can be swapped out to disk.
> 
> Aren't you confusing with zswap (compressed cache associated to a
> regular swap device) ?
> 

Perhaps.

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Re: Security updates for Chromium on Debian Jessie

[Sven Joachim]

On 2017-09-28 11:08 -0300, Daniel Bareiro wrote:

> In the last DSA for the chromium-browser package (DSA-3985-1) I noticed
> that the updates were released for stable, testing and unstable but not
> for oldstable. I think the same thing happened with the previous update.
>
> Maybe I'm missing something and Chromium on Jessie is no longer getting
> security updates?

It seems that the maintainer is overworked and cannot provide Jessie
updates for chromium anymore[1].  Somebody else said he might be looking
at it[2], but that was six weeks ago and nothing happened so far.

So while it is not clear when chromium in jessie will be EOL'ed, it
seems advisable to switch to some other browser for now (if you want a
package from Debian, firefox-esr is the only option).

Cheers,
   Sven


1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2017/07/msg9.html
2. https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2017/08/msg00010.html

Re: Performance RAID instable

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 28/09/2017 à 17:46, Seb a écrit :


si des tests de débit comparatifs pour déterminer l'étendue 
précise du problème avaient été faits :

- en lecture dans le système de fichiers


Non testé.


- en écriture dans le système de fichiers


Testé.


- en lecture brute dans le périphérique bloc
- en écriture brute dans le périphérique bloc (attention : détruit le 
système de fichiers)


Pas testé :-)


- même chose dans une partition classique non RAID


Testé en écriture (pas par moi): pareil.


- même chose avec d'autres types de systèmes de fichiers


Non testé.

Quelles informations rechercherait-on avec ces tests supplémentaires ?


Déterminer quels sont les facteurs qui impactent les performances.

Re: How to use zram ?

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 28/09/2017 à 16:37, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit :


Remember Stacker?


The disk compression tool for MS-DOS ?


(this one is actually smarter, because when it *has* to
swap, the already compressed stuff gets swapped out, reducing I/O).


From what I have read about zram, I did not get the impression that its 
contents can be swapped out to disk.


Aren't you confusing with zswap (compressed cache associated to a 
regular swap device) ?

Re: How to use zram ?

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 28/09/2017 à 15:58, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit :


It seems to be a way to swap out to "compressed RAM"

Actually zram is just a compressed ramdisk block device.
It can be used as swap space or anything else.

Re: Debian 9.1.0

[Dan Ritter]

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 07:41:42PM +0530, Sumit Jain wrote:
> While I was installing sudo in Debian it is not getting installed . It
> shows that media change please insert the disc labelled.

You have configured your system to look for packages on a CD or
DVD.

The configuration is in /etc/apt/  in the sources.list file or
the sources.list.d directory.

You must configure at least one reachable apt repository to get
this to work.

For example:


deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main

-dsr-

Re: How to use zram ?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 11:42:47AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> This sounds handy on a memory starved machine. And at 8GB in this 
> machine, I'm still using swap, with a 13 hour uptime, 22megs almost as 
> soon as I'd rebooted, and still 22. Which I don't fully grok, htop says 
> 22 megs used for swap, and only about 60% of that 8GB in use.

Freeing up the memory used by idle daemons and other layabouts lets the
system devote more memory to disk caching.

Re: Performance RAID instable

[Seb]

Bonjour Pascal,


Plus exactement, la valeur 2 ne vide que les caches de "dentries" 
(directory entries) et d'inodes, c'est-à-dire les méta-données associées 
aux répertoires et fichiers, mais pas le cache du contenu des fichiers.


Merci pour la correction.

L'information m'a peut-être échappée, mais je n'ai pas vu dans les messages 
si des tests de débit comparatifs pour déterminer l'étendue précise du 
problème avaient été faits :

- en lecture dans le système de fichiers


Non testé.


- en écriture dans le système de fichiers


Testé.


- en lecture brute dans le périphérique bloc
- en écriture brute dans le périphérique bloc (attention : détruit le système 
de fichiers)


Pas testé :-)


- même chose dans une partition classique non RAID


Testé en écriture (pas par moi): pareil.


- même chose avec d'autres types de systèmes de fichiers


Non testé.

Quelles informations rechercherait-on avec ces tests supplémentaires ?


Seb.

Re: Re : Re : Performance RAID instable

[Seb]

Bonjour,


Donc c'est clair (et d'autres messages le confirment) que ce n'est pas 
lié à la nature des disques.


(Ni au système de fichiers.)

Vu la solution de contournement, ca doit se passer au niveau de la 
gestion du cache en RAM.


Ça semble sensé.
Je viens d'installer un noyau 4.12 (686-pae) avec stretch-backport, on 
verra si cela change quelque chose...



Seb.

Re: How to use zram ?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 28 September 2017 10:37:19 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:09:27AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday 28 September 2017 09:58:39 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > I do have the kernel module, but not the zramctl. One is not useful
> > w/o the other. But I learned something from this thread. Thanks.
>
>   tomas@rasputin:~$ apt-file search zramctl
>   manpages-de: /usr/share/man/de/man8/zramctl.8.gz
>   util-linux: /sbin/zramctl
Not in the x86 wheezy's util-linux, nor as separate package.
>   util-linux: /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/zramctl
>   util-linux: /usr/share/man/man8/zramctl.8.gz
>
> Remember Stacker? (this one is actually smarter, because when it *has*
> to swap, the already compressed stuff gets swapped out, reducing I/O).
>
Yes, not fondly though, it was NOT a stable utility.

This sounds handy on a memory starved machine. And at 8GB in this 
machine, I'm still using swap, with a 13 hour uptime, 22megs almost as 
soon as I'd rebooted, and still 22. Which I don't fully grok, htop says 
22 megs used for swap, and only about 60% of that 8GB in use. 2258M for 
actual programs. Linux's memory management does not impress me, I have a 
couple machines with only 2GB of ram that can do what this box is doing, 
albeit slower because they are, and I really have to push then hard to 
make them use any swap. Only the pi-3b with only 1 GB is into swap, but 
I've moved its swap out of the sd to rotating media and its much better 
behaved, and feels faster at 5 megs into swap than it ever was using the 
32GB sd card for swap. Well worth the $50 for a 1/4" thick seagate 
terrabyte with a usb-2 cable sticking out of it.

Now wallies has it with a usb-3 cable, I've put one on the rock64, and 
with 2+ days uptime it hasn't touched its 8GB of rotating swap. But its 
also not yet running x, having locale problems that apt and dpkg can't 
fix.

root@rock64:~# dpkg-reconfigure locale
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = (unset),
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or 
directory
locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
dpkg-query: package 'locale' is not installed and no information is 
available
Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locale is not installed
root@rock64:~# apt install locale
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package locale

And there is indeed, no /etc/locale file on the rock64 install.  
locale.alias, which is missing any mention of en_US.  Puzzling.

> Cheers
> -- t

Thanks Thomas

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Curt wrote:


I missed that detail. Dual boot, is that it?

  yes


 Turn the volume way up in
Windows and use the function keys to make sure the speakers are turned
on and functioning before booting into Debian.


  After booting on Windows, I could hear the sound from the speakers, so
  they were actually turned on.
  After that, I did a normal reboot, and booted to Debian...and no sound
  on speakers. The most surprising is that even speaker-test gives a
  sound through the headphone.

best regards,
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Re: Re : Re : origem do logo Debian

[Gilberto F da Silva]

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On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 11:01:20AM -0400, Thiago C. F. wrote:

> Legal
> 
>   Às vezes penso em mudar para o Debian mas quando caio na relutância do
> > pessoal em mudar o método de responder da lista, eu desisto.
> 
> 
> Gilberto, não veja por este lado. Isso deve ser comum em uma lista de
> discussão de distro populares. Quanto mais opiniões formadas, mais pode
> enriquecer uma lista no conteúdo comentado. Esta certo que pode ser
> assuntos complementares, mas que pode ser interessante também de vez em
> quando, acredito eu. Tenho aprendido bastante com a lista do Debian.

  Listas de discussão estão caindo em desuso apesar de serem o melhor
  meio para a troca de informações/opiniões.  A lista do Slackware,
  por exemplo quase não há mais fluxo.

  A lista do Debian vai morrer sem modificarem isso.

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Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, davidson wrote:


By default journalctl sends its output to a pager. Most likely that
pager is of the less/more variety


  yes: in my case, it is less, but you can't do:
 "journalctl -b /audio"
  as you suggest:
   ->>journalctl -b  /audio
  Couldn't stat file: No such file or directory
  Actually, the syntax described in the journalctl man is:

journalctl [OPTIONS...] [MATCHES...]

but MATCHES is not a simple string, but something like
  "FIELD=VALUE"
  Anyway, "journalctl -b | grep -i audio" works perfectly.

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Re: How to use zram ?

[Nicholas Geovanis]

I'm trying to wrap my head around what the performance implications (or
advantages) of zram might be in the virtualized environments. Currently for
me that means mostly VMware and a little Xen. There are at least two
aspects, namely its potential use in the hypervisor and use in the VMs.
Does anyone have any guidance on this issue?
Second question: Do we know how the AWS-branded linux AMIs make use of zram
if at all?
Thanks...Nick G

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Pierre Couderc  wrote:

>
> On 09/28/2017 04:09 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
>> On Thursday 28 September 2017 09:58:39 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 09:51:21AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>>
 On Thursday 28 September 2017 05:47:56 Pierre Couderc wrote:

> I have found no howto for zram under debian,  nor even the word
> "zram" in the archives of this list !
>
> I have tried to use zramctl but it refuses with :
>
 A better question from me might be, what is it?

>>> It seems to be a way to swap out to "compressed RAM"[1] (sloppy, I
>>> know, but you hopefully get the idea).
>>>
>>> I do have the kernel module, but not the zramctl. One is not useful w/o
>> the other. But I learned something from this thread. Thanks.
>>
>> zramctl is delivered in basic stretch (ot I did install it witohut
> knowing...) but see my other post for its use.
>
>
>

Como respondo

[Gilberto F da Silva]

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Em 23/03/06, André George Lauer escreveu:
>
> Quando respondo as listas de discussão, a mensagem tem ido para a pessoa que
> fez a pergunta.
> existe alguma forma para eu configurar para responder, e ir para a lista?

No gmail, use "responder a todos" e (opcionalmente) retire o nome do
remetente original, ou use "responder" e troque o nome do remetente
original pelo da lista.

> Existem outras em que participo que a resposta vai automática para lista.

Esse é um ds tópicos qe costuma gerar flamewars

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   O Debian vai acabar e isso não será mudado.
   
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Re: origem do logo Debian

[Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA]

Le jeudi 28 septembre 2017 à 10:51 -0300, Daniel Lenharo de Souza a
écrit :
>  
> O Oliva já disse varias vezes que esse comportamento é um bug do
> script. Pela definição, mesmo após a limpeza, se o usuário quiser,
> ele conseguiria instalar non-frees. 

Legal, obrigado pela informação.  Infelizmente creio que será ignorada,
parece que já virou guerra santa.  Por outro lado, seria interessante
saber se esse defeito está registrado, seja num sistema de controle de
defeitos ou nalguma lista de discussão por correio eletrônico, até para
sabermos quando se o corrigirá.


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Re: Como respondo

[Thiago C. F.]

Em 28 de setembro de 2017 10:59, Gilberto F da Silva 
escreveu:

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>
> Em 23/03/06, André George Lauer escreveu:
> >
> > Quando respondo as listas de discussão, a mensagem tem ido para a pessoa
> que
> > fez a pergunta.
> > existe alguma forma para eu configurar para responder, e ir para a lista?
>
> No gmail, use "responder a todos" e (opcionalmente) retire o nome do
> remetente original, ou use "responder" e troque o nome do remetente
> original pelo da lista.
>
> Sim... eu faço desta maneira. Agora eu apaguei os outros remetentes e
deixei o e-mail da lista.


> > Existem outras em que participo que a resposta vai automática para lista.
>
> Esse é um ds tópicos qe costuma gerar flamewars
>
> - --
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> - -22.915 -42.229 = GG87vc (http://www.amsat.org/cgi-bin/gridconv)
> Debian GNU/Linux = http://rj.debianbrasil.org = http://www.debian.org
>
>O Debian vai acabar e isso não será mudado.
>
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Re: Re : Re : origem do logo Debian

[Gilberto F da Silva]

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On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 09:50:04AM -0400, Thiago C. F. wrote:
> Também concordo em não misturar política com temas relativos ao assunto do
> Debian. E acredito que o Debian e o SL não tenha relação com política (eu
> espero), mas infelizmente alguns usem o Debian, SL e FSF como bandeira para
> divulgar e tentar fazer novos prosélitos em suas causas partidárias.
> 
> Aproveitando a oportunidade... uma pequena pergunta... no campo "Para:"
> posso apenas deixar o e-mail do debian-user-portuguese em vez de responder
> para todos? Sei que da na mesma, mas talvez seja melhor apenas o endereço
> do Debian para discussão e suporte.


https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-portuguese/2006/03/msg01716.html

A distribuição Debian é uma das mais conceituadas, se não for a
mais.  Ela serve de base para um incontável número de outras.  Uma
das coisas mais legais é o apt.  É super prático de usar mesmo
sendo por linha de comando.

Atualmente a minha distribuição principal é o Slackware.  Às vezes
penso em mudar para o Debian mas quando caio na relutância do
pessoal em mudar o método de responder da lista, eu desisto.

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Re: Re : Re : origem do logo Debian

[Thiago C. F.]

Em 28 de setembro de 2017 10:49, Gilberto F da Silva 
escreveu:

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>
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 09:50:04AM -0400, Thiago C. F. wrote:
> > Também concordo em não misturar política com temas relativos ao assunto
> do
> > Debian. E acredito que o Debian e o SL não tenha relação com política (eu
> > espero), mas infelizmente alguns usem o Debian, SL e FSF como bandeira
> para
> > divulgar e tentar fazer novos prosélitos em suas causas partidárias.
> >
> > Aproveitando a oportunidade... uma pequena pergunta... no campo "Para:"
> > posso apenas deixar o e-mail do debian-user-portuguese em vez de
> responder
> > para todos? Sei que da na mesma, mas talvez seja melhor apenas o endereço
> > do Debian para discussão e suporte.
>
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-portuguese/2006/03/msg01716.html
>
> A distribuição Debian é uma das mais conceituadas, se não for a
> mais.  Ela serve de base para um incontável número de outras.  Uma
> das coisas mais legais é o apt.  É super prático de usar mesmo
> sendo por linha de comando.
>
> Atualmente a minha distribuição principal é o Slackware.


Legal

  Às vezes penso em mudar para o Debian mas quando caio na relutância do
> pessoal em mudar o método de responder da lista, eu desisto.


Gilberto, não veja por este lado. Isso deve ser comum em uma lista de
discussão de distro populares. Quanto mais opiniões formadas, mais pode
enriquecer uma lista no conteúdo comentado. Esta certo que pode ser
assuntos complementares, mas que pode ser interessante também de vez em
quando, acredito eu. Tenho aprendido bastante com a lista do Debian.


>


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[Debian-users] Re : origem do logo Debian

[Gilberto F da Silva]

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On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 09:50:04AM -0400, Thiago C. F. wrote:
> Também concordo em não misturar política com temas relativos ao assunto do
> Debian. E acredito que o Debian e o SL não tenha relação com política (eu
> espero), mas infelizmente alguns usem o Debian, SL e FSF como bandeira para
> divulgar e tentar fazer novos prosélitos em suas causas partidárias.
> 
> Aproveitando a oportunidade... uma pequena pergunta... no campo "Para:"
> posso apenas deixar o e-mail do debian-user-portuguese em vez de responder
> para todos? Sei que da na mesma, mas talvez seja melhor apenas o endereço
> do Debian para discussão e suporte.

  Eu já questionei sobre isso deve ter uns 10 anos.  Sempre acharam
  que do jeito que estava era bom.

  Também sinto falta de algo no campo assunto que identifique
  tratar-se da lista Debian.

  Não tenho fé que isso irá mudar.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-portuguese/2009/12/msg00033.html

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Re: How to use zram ?

[Pierre Couderc]

On 09/28/2017 04:09 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Thursday 28 September 2017 09:58:39 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:


On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 09:51:21AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Thursday 28 September 2017 05:47:56 Pierre Couderc wrote:

I have found no howto for zram under debian,  nor even the word
"zram" in the archives of this list !

I have tried to use zramctl but it refuses with :

A better question from me might be, what is it?

It seems to be a way to swap out to "compressed RAM"[1] (sloppy, I
know, but you hopefully get the idea).


I do have the kernel module, but not the zramctl. One is not useful w/o
the other. But I learned something from this thread. Thanks.

zramctl is delivered in basic stretch (ot I did install it witohut 
knowing...) but see my other post for its use.

Re: How to use zram ?

[Richard Owlett]

On 09/28/2017 05:27 AM, Pierre Couderc wrote:

[snip]
Thank you very much. I have not found "the zram(8) man page
[snip]


See https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/util-linux/zramctl.8.en.html

Re: How to use zram ?

[Pierre Couderc]

On 09/28/2017 03:51 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Thursday 28 September 2017 05:47:56 Pierre Couderc wrote:


I have found no howto for zram under debian,  nor even the word "zram"
in the archives of this list !

I have tried to use zramctl but it refuses with :


A better question from me might be, what is it?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zram

Re: How to use zram ?

[Pierre Couderc]

On 09/28/2017 02:11 PM, David Baron wrote:


... But It seems to work :

root@nous:~# modprobe zram num_devices=2
root@nous:~# zramctl --find --size 1024M
/dev/zram0
root@nous:~# zramctl --find --size 1024M
/dev/zram1
root@nous:~# free -th
totalusedfree  shared buff/cache
available
Mem:   3.8G 73M3.6G5.5M 146M3.5G
Swap:0B  0B  0B
Total: 3.8G 73M3.6G
root@nous:~# mkswap /dev/zram0
Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1024 MiB (1073737728 bytes)
no label, UUID=66e3aa01-a4b8-4308-b317-608c6a072810
root@nous:~# free -th
totalusedfree  shared buff/cache
available
Mem:   3.8G 73M3.6G5.5M 146M3.5G
Swap:0B  0B  0B
Total: 3.8G 73M3.6G
root@nous:~# swapon /dev/zram0
root@nous:~# free -th
totalusedfree  shared buff/cache
available
Mem:   3.8G 73M3.6G5.5M 147M3.5G
Swap:  1.0G  0B1.0G
Total: 4.8G 73M4.6G
root@nous:~# mkswap /dev/zram1
Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1024 MiB (1073737728 bytes)
no label, UUID=69b8070b-3b8d-4234-a773-a59812e54552
root@nous:~# swapon /dev/zram1
root@nous:~# free -th
totalusedfree  shared buff/cache
available
Mem:   3.8G 74M3.6G5.5M 147M3.5G
Swap:  2.0G  0B2.0G
Total: 5.8G 74M5.6G
root@nous:~#

Now I suppose I shouls put that in a systemd script...

Thank you very much.

PC

Did all this.
All my free -th results looked the same.
Could it be it was already there?

Assuming there is an advantage to this, how does one get it going on startup.
I HAD a sysinit script for it at one time, before the new days of systend.


I have decided to use the following script and it seems to work :

git  clone https://github.com/Jiab77/systemd-zram
cd systemd-zram
./install.sh

You can the remove systemd-zram directory.

Here you can modify /etc/systemd/zram.conf from 33% to 50 for next 
reboot… But it is only to adopt the same policy as Ubuntu,  but the 
original prefers 33%...

Re: How to use zram ?

[tomas]

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> On Thursday 28 September 2017 09:58:39 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> I do have the kernel module, but not the zramctl. One is not useful w/o 
> the other. But I learned something from this thread. Thanks.

  tomas@rasputin:~$ apt-file search zramctl
  manpages-de: /usr/share/man/de/man8/zramctl.8.gz
  util-linux: /sbin/zramctl
  util-linux: /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/zramctl
  util-linux: /usr/share/man/man8/zramctl.8.gz

Remember Stacker? (this one is actually smarter, because when it *has* to
swap, the already compressed stuff gets swapped out, reducing I/O).

Cheers
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Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110

[Curt]

On 2017-09-28, Pierre Frenkiel  wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Curt wrote:
>
>> On 2017-09-28, Pierre Frenkiel  wrote:
>>>
>>> So, the problem is not with the plug, as generally it must unplugged
>>> to get the sound through the speaker.
>>>
>>
>> I suppose it is possible that the sensing circuitry or switch (?) in the
>> headphone jack is faulty or failing so that when you pull the headphone plug
>> out of the jack socket the audio signal isn't being switched to the speakers,
>> the plug's absence failing to be detected (or its presence continuing to
>> be).
>
> I said, in a previous post, that on Windows, the sound works for the
> speaker and the headphone...

I missed that detail. Dual boot, is that it? Turn the volume way up in
Windows and use the function keys to make sure the speakers are turned
on and functioning before booting into Debian. Turn off hybrid shutdown,
or fast startup, or whatever it's called, as I've heard that can leave
hardware components in a hideous state. I'm not sure what you've tried
so far and I'm not going back to reread the entire thread so good luck.

> best regards,


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Re: [sane-devel] Compatibility of the Irisscan executive 4 scanner

[Olaf Meeuwissen]

Hi Alex,

Alex ARNAUD writes:

> Dear all,
>
> I install Debian GNU/Linux on computer for visual-impaired users and
> I've a request about the compatibility of a Irisscan executive 4 scanner.
>
> I've sought on the internet without finding any specific data about this
> model.

Based on a quick `git grep -i iris` on the sane-backends source code,
the only Irisscan device known to be supported is the "Express 2".  If
the "executive 4" has a USB port, could you provide the USB product ID?

Connect the device, power it up, run `lsusb` and post the output.

Maybe that will turn up extra information.  I am sceptical about
that though, but see below.

> Do you know if this model is compatible with Sane and if yes where I
> could find a tutorial to install it?

If you want to use SANE on Debian GNU/Linux, all you really need to do
is install the sane-utils package.  Next make sure that your users are
members of the scanner and you should be able to use the `scanimage`
command-line utility.

# That's assuming your scanner is supported, of course.

If you have sane-utils installed already (quite likely if you installed
a graphical desktop environment), could you also provide the output of
running `sane-find-scanner`?

# Normally I see rather little value in running this command, but seeing
# that the Irisscan Express 2 is Plustek manufactured and supported by
# the gt68xx backend, it might give a clue as to the chipset which might
# be of use determining how easy/difficult adding support would be in
# case someone is interested in doing so.
#
# That's a lot of "if"s, so don't hold your breath waiting for support
# if your scanner is not supported already ;-)

Hope this helps,
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Re: Re : origem do logo Debian

[Eduardo Klosowski]

Sério? Não vejo nada que impeça a pessoa usar o linux-libre como ela o 
quiser. Inclusive no texto da GPL tem uma clausula que fala sobre isso:


BECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS LICENSED FREE OF CHARGE, THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR 
THE PROGRAM, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW.  EXCEPT WHEN 
OTHERWISE STATED IN WRITING THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND/OR OTHER PARTIES 
PROVIDE THE PROGRAM "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER 
EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED 
WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  THE 
ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE PROGRAM IS WITH 
YOU.  SHOULD THE PROGRAM PROVE DEFECTIVE, YOU ASSUME THE COST OF ALL 
NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION.


Se você quiser corrigir esse comportamento, você tem toda a liberdade de 
adaptar o software para as suas necessidades.


O que vejo é mimimi de algumas pessoas porque o software não funciona ou 
não é da forma que eles querem, tanto nesse caso do kernel, quando em 
outros softwares que só reclamam que a arquitetura dele é assim ou 
assada, ou que não tem várias funcionalidades. Se você realmente quer a 
função X, então escreva ela, isso é liberdade de software. E se for 
reclamar no upstream, em nenhum lugar diz que eles são obrigados a usar 
as suas alterações.


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Em 28-09-2017 11:06, Helio Loureiro escreveu:
Linux-libre fere as 4 liberdades quanto ao permitir ao usuário rodar 
como quiser e onde quiser.


  * The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0).


Vänliga hälsningar/Best Regards,
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Em 28 de setembro de 2017 15:51, Daniel Lenharo de Souza 
> escreveu:



Em 28-09-2017 10:39, Thiago C. F. escreveu:


Em 28 de setembro de 2017 04:37, Helio Loureiro
> escreveu:

Na verdade não são distro livres.  Elas usam o linux-libre que
é um patch em cima do linux que bloqueia o uso de firmware
proprietário.  Cercear a escolha do usuário não é liberdade. 
O Debian por padrão vai sem firmwares e sem o repositório

non-free.  Dá ao usuário a liberdade de escolha.


Sério? Achava que era um novo kernel, um fork do kernel e não
apenas um script que diferencia. É liberdade de escolha também eu
concordo que deveria partir do usuário por livre espontânea
vontade. Mas este "livre" para a FSF é livre de blobs, e não
liberdade de escolha.


O Oliva já disse varias vezes que esse comportamento é um bug do
script. Pela definição, mesmo após a limpeza, se o usuário quiser,
ele conseguiria instalar non-frees.


Essa bolsonoragem da FSF de enfiar liberdade - segundo ela -
goela abaixo é algo novo.  Eu particularmente acho deplorável
e fiz uma reclamação a ela sobre isso.  Eles respoderam que é
recomendação, não obrigação.  Ainda assim achei que Debian
merecia estar ali.

Vänliga hälsningar/Best Regards,
Helio Loureiro
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http://twitter.com/helioloureiro


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Em 27 de setembro de 2017 18:40, Leandro Guimarães Faria
Corcete DUTRA > escreveu:

Le mercredi 27 septembre 2017 à 11:46 -0300, Gilberto F da
Silva a
écrit :
>
>   O que a Free Software Foundation recomenda como sistema
> operacional?

A FSF tem uma lista de distribuições livres, inclusive a
Guix mas
incluindo também pelo menos uma derivada de Debian cujo
nome agora me
escapa.


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shows that media change please insert the disc labelled.

Re: [sane-devel] Compatibility of the Irisscan executive 4 scanner

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 28/09/2017 à 15:45, Olaf Meeuwissen a écrit :

Hi Alex,

Alex ARNAUD writes:


Dear all,

I install Debian GNU/Linux on computer for visual-impaired users and
I've a request about the compatibility of a Irisscan executive 4 scanner.

I've sought on the internet without finding any specific data about this
model.


Based on a quick `git grep -i iris` on the sane-backends source code,
the only Irisscan device known to be supported is the "Express 2".  If
the "executive 4" has a USB port, could you provide the USB product ID?

Connect the device, power it up, run `lsusb` and post the output.


Thank you very much for your reply and the reply of Floris.

I don't have the device at hand (it's not mine) but ASAP I'll post here 
the result of lsusb.


Best regards.
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Re: Re : origem do logo Debian

[Thiago C. F.]

Também concordo Hélio com esta interpretação. Pois pelo que eu entendi, o
Linux-libre força a pessoas a usar somente SL.

Em 28 de setembro de 2017 10:06, Helio Loureiro 
escreveu:

> Linux-libre fere as 4 liberdades quanto ao permitir ao usuário rodar como
> quiser e onde quiser.
>
>
>- The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom
>0).
>
>
> Vänliga hälsningar/Best Regards,
> Helio Loureiro
> http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
> https://se.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
> http://twitter.com/helioloureiro
>
> Note: if you failed to reach me, try my alternative mail "
> helio.loure...@gmail.com".
> I'm implementing DKIM on my mail server, so some disturbance is expected.
>
>
> Em 28 de setembro de 2017 15:51, Daniel Lenharo de Souza <
> lenh...@debian.org> escreveu:
>
>>
>> Em 28-09-2017 10:39, Thiago C. F. escreveu:
>>
>>
>> Em 28 de setembro de 2017 04:37, Helio Loureiro 
>> escreveu:
>>
>>> Na verdade não são distro livres.  Elas usam o linux-libre que é um
>>> patch em cima do linux que bloqueia o uso de firmware proprietário.
>>> Cercear a escolha do usuário não é liberdade.  O Debian por padrão vai sem
>>> firmwares e sem o repositório non-free.  Dá ao usuário a liberdade de
>>> escolha.
>>>
>>
>> Sério? Achava que era um novo kernel, um fork do kernel e não apenas um
>> script que diferencia. É liberdade de escolha também eu concordo que
>> deveria partir do usuário por livre espontânea vontade. Mas este "livre"
>> para a FSF é livre de blobs, e não liberdade de escolha.
>>
>>
>> O Oliva já disse varias vezes que esse comportamento é um bug do script.
>> Pela definição, mesmo após a limpeza, se o usuário quiser, ele conseguiria
>> instalar non-frees.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Essa bolsonoragem da FSF de enfiar liberdade - segundo ela - goela
>>> abaixo é algo novo.  Eu particularmente acho deplorável e fiz uma
>>> reclamação a ela sobre isso.  Eles respoderam que é recomendação, não
>>> obrigação.  Ainda assim achei que Debian merecia estar ali.
>>>
>>> Vänliga hälsningar/Best Regards,
>>> Helio Loureiro
>>> http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
>>> https://se.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
>>> http://twitter.com/helioloureiro
>>>
>>> Note: if you failed to reach me, try my alternative mail "
>>> helio.loure...@gmail.com".
>>> I'm implementing DKIM on my mail server, so some disturbance is expected.
>>>
>>>
>>> Em 27 de setembro de 2017 18:40, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA <
>>> l...@dutras.org> escreveu:
>>>
 Le mercredi 27 septembre 2017 à 11:46 -0300, Gilberto F da Silva a
 écrit :
 >
 >   O que a Free Software Foundation recomenda como sistema
 > operacional?

 A FSF tem uma lista de distribuições livres, inclusive a Guix mas
 incluindo também pelo menos uma derivada de Debian cujo nome agora me
 escapa.


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>>>
>>
>>
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Re: How to use zram ?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 28 September 2017 09:58:39 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 09:51:21AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday 28 September 2017 05:47:56 Pierre Couderc wrote:
> > > I have found no howto for zram under debian,  nor even the word
> > > "zram" in the archives of this list !
> > >
> > > I have tried to use zramctl but it refuses with :
> >
> > A better question from me might be, what is it?
>
> It seems to be a way to swap out to "compressed RAM"[1] (sloppy, I
> know, but you hopefully get the idea).
>
I do have the kernel module, but not the zramctl. One is not useful w/o 
the other. But I learned something from this thread. Thanks.

> Cheers
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zram
>
> -- tomás


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Security updates for Chromium on Debian Jessie

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi all!

In the last DSA for the chromium-browser package (DSA-3985-1) I noticed
that the updates were released for stable, testing and unstable but not
for oldstable. I think the same thing happened with the previous update.

Maybe I'm missing something and Chromium on Jessie is no longer getting
security updates?


Thanks in advance.

Kind regards,
Daniel



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Re: Re : origem do logo Debian

[Helio Loureiro]

Linux-libre fere as 4 liberdades quanto ao permitir ao usuário rodar como
quiser e onde quiser.


   - The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom
   0).


Vänliga hälsningar/Best Regards,
Helio Loureiro
http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
https://se.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
http://twitter.com/helioloureiro

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helio.loure...@gmail.com".
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Em 28 de setembro de 2017 15:51, Daniel Lenharo de Souza  escreveu:

>
> Em 28-09-2017 10:39, Thiago C. F. escreveu:
>
>
> Em 28 de setembro de 2017 04:37, Helio Loureiro 
> escreveu:
>
>> Na verdade não são distro livres.  Elas usam o linux-libre que é um patch
>> em cima do linux que bloqueia o uso de firmware proprietário.  Cercear a
>> escolha do usuário não é liberdade.  O Debian por padrão vai sem firmwares
>> e sem o repositório non-free.  Dá ao usuário a liberdade de escolha.
>>
>
> Sério? Achava que era um novo kernel, um fork do kernel e não apenas um
> script que diferencia. É liberdade de escolha também eu concordo que
> deveria partir do usuário por livre espontânea vontade. Mas este "livre"
> para a FSF é livre de blobs, e não liberdade de escolha.
>
>
> O Oliva já disse varias vezes que esse comportamento é um bug do script.
> Pela definição, mesmo após a limpeza, se o usuário quiser, ele conseguiria
> instalar non-frees.
>
>
>
>> Essa bolsonoragem da FSF de enfiar liberdade - segundo ela - goela abaixo
>> é algo novo.  Eu particularmente acho deplorável e fiz uma reclamação a ela
>> sobre isso.  Eles respoderam que é recomendação, não obrigação.  Ainda
>> assim achei que Debian merecia estar ali.
>>
>> Vänliga hälsningar/Best Regards,
>> Helio Loureiro
>> http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
>> https://se.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
>> http://twitter.com/helioloureiro
>>
>> Note: if you failed to reach me, try my alternative mail "
>> helio.loure...@gmail.com".
>> I'm implementing DKIM on my mail server, so some disturbance is expected.
>>
>>
>> Em 27 de setembro de 2017 18:40, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA <
>> l...@dutras.org> escreveu:
>>
>>> Le mercredi 27 septembre 2017 à 11:46 -0300, Gilberto F da Silva a
>>> écrit :
>>> >
>>> >   O que a Free Software Foundation recomenda como sistema
>>> > operacional?
>>>
>>> A FSF tem uma lista de distribuições livres, inclusive a Guix mas
>>> incluindo também pelo menos uma derivada de Debian cujo nome agora me
>>> escapa.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> skype:leandro.gfc.dutra?chat  Yahoo!: ymsgr:sendIM?lgcdutra
>>> +55 (61) 3546 7191  gTalk: xmpp:leand...@jabber.org
>>> +55 (61) 9302 2691ICQ/AIM: aim:GoIM?screenname=61287803
>>> BRAZIL GMT−3  MSN: msnim:chat?contact=lean...@dutra.fastmail.fm
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: How to use zram ?

[tomas]

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> On Thursday 28 September 2017 05:47:56 Pierre Couderc wrote:
> 
> > I have found no howto for zram under debian,  nor even the word "zram"
> > in the archives of this list !
> >
> > I have tried to use zramctl but it refuses with :
> >
> A better question from me might be, what is it?

It seems to be a way to swap out to "compressed RAM"[1] (sloppy, I know,
but you hopefully get the idea).

Cheers
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zram

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Re: Re : origem do logo Debian

[Daniel Lenharo de Souza]

Em 28-09-2017 10:39, Thiago C. F. escreveu:
>
> Em 28 de setembro de 2017 04:37, Helio Loureiro  > escreveu:
>
> Na verdade não são distro livres.  Elas usam o linux-libre que é
> um patch em cima do linux que bloqueia o uso de firmware
> proprietário.  Cercear a escolha do usuário não é liberdade.  O
> Debian por padrão vai sem firmwares e sem o repositório non-free. 
> Dá ao usuário a liberdade de escolha.
>
>
> Sério? Achava que era um novo kernel, um fork do kernel e não apenas
> um script que diferencia. É liberdade de escolha também eu concordo
> que deveria partir do usuário por livre espontânea vontade. Mas este
> "livre" para a FSF é livre de blobs, e não liberdade de escolha.

O Oliva já disse varias vezes que esse comportamento é um bug do script.
Pela definição, mesmo após a limpeza, se o usuário quiser, ele
conseguiria instalar non-frees.
>  
>
> Essa bolsonoragem da FSF de enfiar liberdade - segundo ela - goela
> abaixo é algo novo.  Eu particularmente acho deplorável e fiz uma
> reclamação a ela sobre isso.  Eles respoderam que é recomendação,
> não obrigação.  Ainda assim achei que Debian merecia estar ali.
>
> Vänliga hälsningar/Best Regards,
> Helio Loureiro
> http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
> https://se.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
> 
> http://twitter.com/helioloureiro 
>
> Note: if you failed to reach me, try my alternative mail
> "helio.loure...@gmail.com ".
> I'm implementing DKIM on my mail server, so some disturbance is
> expected.
>
>
> Em 27 de setembro de 2017 18:40, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete
> DUTRA > escreveu:
>
> Le mercredi 27 septembre 2017 à 11:46 -0300, Gilberto F da Silva a
> écrit :
> >
> >   O que a Free Software Foundation recomenda como sistema
> > operacional?
>
> A FSF tem uma lista de distribuições livres, inclusive a Guix mas
> incluindo também pelo menos uma derivada de Debian cujo nome
> agora me
> escapa.
>
>
> --
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> +55 (61) 3546 7191        
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> msnim:chat?contact=lean...@dutra.fastmail.fm
> 
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: How to use zram ?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 28 September 2017 05:47:56 Pierre Couderc wrote:

> I have found no howto for zram under debian,  nor even the word "zram"
> in the archives of this list !
>
> I have tried to use zramctl but it refuses with :
>
A better question from me might be, what is it?

> root@nous:~# zramctl --find --size 1024M
> zramctl: no free zram device found
>
> I suppose I should init something somewere, but what ?
>
> On the contrary ubuntu has a dedicated zram-config to make the job.

No *buntu machines left here since lcnc switched to wheezy.

> Thanks for any help.
>
> PC


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Re : Re : origem do logo Debian

[Thiago C. F.]

Também concordo em não misturar política com temas relativos ao assunto do
Debian. E acredito que o Debian e o SL não tenha relação com política (eu
espero), mas infelizmente alguns usem o Debian, SL e FSF como bandeira para
divulgar e tentar fazer novos prosélitos em suas causas partidárias.

Aproveitando a oportunidade... uma pequena pergunta... no campo "Para:"
posso apenas deixar o e-mail do debian-user-portuguese em vez de responder
para todos? Sei que da na mesma, mas talvez seja melhor apenas o endereço
do Debian para discussão e suporte.

Em 28 de setembro de 2017 08:48, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA <
l...@dutras.org> escreveu:

> Le jeudi 28 septembre 2017 à 10:37 +0200, Helio Loureiro a écrit :
> > Na verdade não são distro livres.
>
> Há divergências.
>
>
>
> > Elas usam o linux-libre que é um patch em cima do linux que bloqueia
> > o uso de firmware proprietário.
>
> Não encontrei nenhuma informação nesse sentido, apenas de remover.
> Sendo livre, o usuário tem sim a opção de instalar o código
> proprietário, mas é óbvio que quem escolhe isso prefere não.  Tem um
> artigo bom na Wikipédia a respeito, por exemplo, inclusive mencionando
> as ferramentas de remoção e verificação de código proprietário.
>
>
> > Cercear a escolha do usuário não é liberdade.
>
> Ninguém é obrigado a usar uma distro dessas.
>
>
> > Essa bolsonoragem da FSF de enfiar liberdade - segundo ela - goela
> > abaixo é algo novo.
>
> De maneira alguma.  Primeiro, a FSF recusa-se a entrar em política
> partidária, e eu agradeceria se mantivéssemos PTralhagens e
> personalismos longe desta lista; depois, ela sempre teve essa e outras
> discordâncias do Debian.
>
>
> > Eu particularmente acho deplorável e fiz uma reclamação a ela sobre
> > isso.  Eles respoderam que é recomendação, não obrigação.  Ainda
> > assim achei que Debian merecia estar ali.
>
> A FSF e o Debian já tiveram longas discussões a respeito disso e da FDL
> também.  Tens as opções de: participar da FSF a ponto de ter voz lá
> dentro e mudar sua posição; idem para o lado Debian; ou de colaborar
> com outras organizações e projetos que sigam mais tua linha.
>
> De novo, por favor tentemos entender os outros lados e evitemos
> epítetos derrogatórios, principalmente de cunho pessoal e político.
>
>
> --
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>
>


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Re: Re : origem do logo Debian

[Thiago C. F.]

Em 28 de setembro de 2017 04:37, Helio Loureiro 
escreveu:

> Na verdade não são distro livres.  Elas usam o linux-libre que é um patch
> em cima do linux que bloqueia o uso de firmware proprietário.  Cercear a
> escolha do usuário não é liberdade.  O Debian por padrão vai sem firmwares
> e sem o repositório non-free.  Dá ao usuário a liberdade de escolha.
>

Sério? Achava que era um novo kernel, um fork do kernel e não apenas um
script que diferencia. É liberdade de escolha também eu concordo que
deveria partir do usuário por livre espontânea vontade. Mas este "livre"
para a FSF é livre de blobs, e não liberdade de escolha.


> Essa bolsonoragem da FSF de enfiar liberdade - segundo ela - goela abaixo
> é algo novo.  Eu particularmente acho deplorável e fiz uma reclamação a ela
> sobre isso.  Eles respoderam que é recomendação, não obrigação.  Ainda
> assim achei que Debian merecia estar ali.
>
> Vänliga hälsningar/Best Regards,
> Helio Loureiro
> http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
> https://se.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
> http://twitter.com/helioloureiro
>
> Note: if you failed to reach me, try my alternative mail "
> helio.loure...@gmail.com".
> I'm implementing DKIM on my mail server, so some disturbance is expected.
>
>
> Em 27 de setembro de 2017 18:40, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA <
> l...@dutras.org> escreveu:
>
>> Le mercredi 27 septembre 2017 à 11:46 -0300, Gilberto F da Silva a
>> écrit :
>> >
>> >   O que a Free Software Foundation recomenda como sistema
>> > operacional?
>>
>> A FSF tem uma lista de distribuições livres, inclusive a Guix mas
>> incluindo também pelo menos uma derivada de Debian cujo nome agora me
>> escapa.
>>
>>
>> --
>> skype:leandro.gfc.dutra?chat  Yahoo!: ymsgr:sendIM?lgcdutra
>> +55 (61) 3546 7191  gTalk: xmpp:leand...@jabber.org
>> +55 (61) 9302 2691ICQ/AIM: aim:GoIM?screenname=61287803
>> BRAZIL GMT−3  MSN: msnim:chat?contact=lean...@dutra.fastmail.fm
>>
>
>


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Re: Re : Re : origem do logo Debian

[Fred Maranhão]

2017-09-28 9:48 GMT-03:00 Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA 
:
> Le jeudi 28 septembre 2017 à 10:37 +0200, Helio Loureiro a écrit :
>> ...bolsonoragem...

> ...PTralhagens...

pronto! fudeu!!!

Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110

[davidson]

On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:


On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:


Probably some ALSA module or codec firmware is missing.
Look for errors in syslog and provide some information about what sound
codec is onboard your laptop mobo:
    $ sudo journalctl -b

Use "/" key to search for a string. Ex:
    /audio
    /hda
    /sound


the / is used in a lot of cases (editors, web browser,...)


...and pagers.


I don't understand what search key you are talking of.


You probably redirected the output of journactl.

By default journalctl sends its output to a pager. Most likely that
pager is of the less/more variety. And in such pagers, "/" is a
search-forward-from-point command, adhering to the convention you have
observed.

Also, 'more' or 'less' behave like 'cat' when you redirect their
output to something not a terminal (like to a file, or when it's piped
to 'grep', etc).[1]

That last bit probably has something to do with this:

http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/more.html#tag_20_81

| If standard output is not a terminal device, all input files shall
| be copied to standard output in their entirety, without
| modification, except as specified for the -s option.

Anyways, when the pager behaves like 'cat', the search functionality
will be absent, obviously.

1. There's a punchline here about herding felines, but I'm not clever
enough to make it work.

Re : Re : origem do logo Debian

[Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA]

Le jeudi 28 septembre 2017 à 10:37 +0200, Helio Loureiro a écrit :
> Na verdade não são distro livres.

Há divergências.



> Elas usam o linux-libre que é um patch em cima do linux que bloqueia
> o uso de firmware proprietário.

Não encontrei nenhuma informação nesse sentido, apenas de remover. 
Sendo livre, o usuário tem sim a opção de instalar o código
proprietário, mas é óbvio que quem escolhe isso prefere não.  Tem um
artigo bom na Wikipédia a respeito, por exemplo, inclusive mencionando
as ferramentas de remoção e verificação de código proprietário.


> Cercear a escolha do usuário não é liberdade.

Ninguém é obrigado a usar uma distro dessas.


> Essa bolsonoragem da FSF de enfiar liberdade - segundo ela - goela
> abaixo é algo novo.

De maneira alguma.  Primeiro, a FSF recusa-se a entrar em política
partidária, e eu agradeceria se mantivéssemos PTralhagens e
personalismos longe desta lista; depois, ela sempre teve essa e outras
discordâncias do Debian.


> Eu particularmente acho deplorável e fiz uma reclamação a ela sobre
> isso.  Eles respoderam que é recomendação, não obrigação.  Ainda
> assim achei que Debian merecia estar ali.

A FSF e o Debian já tiveram longas discussões a respeito disso e da FDL
também.  Tens as opções de: participar da FSF a ponto de ter voz lá
dentro e mudar sua posição; idem para o lado Debian; ou de colaborar
com outras organizações e projetos que sigam mais tua linha.

De novo, por favor tentemos entender os outros lados e evitemos
epítetos derrogatórios, principalmente de cunho pessoal e político.


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Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Curt wrote:


On 2017-09-28, Pierre Frenkiel  wrote:


So, the problem is not with the plug, as generally it must unplugged
to get the sound through the speaker.



I suppose it is possible that the sensing circuitry or switch (?) in the
headphone jack is faulty or failing so that when you pull the headphone plug
out of the jack socket the audio signal isn't being switched to the speakers,
the plug's absence failing to be detected (or its presence continuing to
be).


   I said, in a previous post, that on Windows, the sound works for the
   speaker and the headphone...

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: How to use zram ?

[David Baron]

On יום חמישי, 28 בספטמבר 2017 12:27:01 IDT Pierre Couderc wrote:
> On 09/28/2017 11:56 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 11:47:56AM +0200, Pierre Couderc wrote:
> >> I have found no howto for zram under debian,  nor even the word
> >> "zram" in the archives of this list !
> >> 
> >> I have tried to use zramctl but it refuses with :
> >> 
> >> root@nous:~# zramctl --find --size 1024M
> >> zramctl: no free zram device found
> >> 
> >> I suppose I should init something somewere, but what ?
> >> 
> >> On the contrary ubuntu has a dedicated zram-config to make the job.
> >> 
> >> Thanks for any help.
> > 
> > I didn't even know what it is -- but the zram(8) man page and a little
> > guesswork at least leads in some direction.
> > 
> > I assume you'd want to load the zram kernel module (sudo modprobe zram,
> > I'd guess) to be in in the fun.
> > 
> > There's some doc about the Linux kernel module itself (just follow the
> > link in the above man page).
> > 
> > Let us know how it works out and... make a backup first!
> 
> Thank you very much. I have not found "the zram(8) man page "... But It
> seems to work :
> 
> root@nous:~# modprobe zram num_devices=2
> root@nous:~# zramctl --find --size 1024M
> /dev/zram0
> root@nous:~# zramctl --find --size 1024M
> /dev/zram1
> root@nous:~# free -th
>totalusedfree  shared buff/cache  
> available
> Mem:   3.8G 73M3.6G5.5M 146M3.5G
> Swap:0B  0B  0B
> Total: 3.8G 73M3.6G
> root@nous:~# mkswap /dev/zram0
> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1024 MiB (1073737728 bytes)
> no label, UUID=66e3aa01-a4b8-4308-b317-608c6a072810
> root@nous:~# free -th
>totalusedfree  shared buff/cache  
> available
> Mem:   3.8G 73M3.6G5.5M 146M3.5G
> Swap:0B  0B  0B
> Total: 3.8G 73M3.6G
> root@nous:~# swapon /dev/zram0
> root@nous:~# free -th
>totalusedfree  shared buff/cache  
> available
> Mem:   3.8G 73M3.6G5.5M 147M3.5G
> Swap:  1.0G  0B1.0G
> Total: 4.8G 73M4.6G
> root@nous:~# mkswap /dev/zram1
> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1024 MiB (1073737728 bytes)
> no label, UUID=69b8070b-3b8d-4234-a773-a59812e54552
> root@nous:~# swapon /dev/zram1
> root@nous:~# free -th
>totalusedfree  shared buff/cache  
> available
> Mem:   3.8G 74M3.6G5.5M 147M3.5G
> Swap:  2.0G  0B2.0G
> Total: 5.8G 74M5.6G
> root@nous:~#
> 
> Now I suppose I shouls put that in a systemd script...
> 
> Thank you very much.
> 
> PC

Did all this.
All my free -th results looked the same.
Could it be it was already there?

Assuming there is an advantage to this, how does one get it going on startup. 
I HAD a sysinit script for it at one time, before the new days of systend.

Re: security-cdn.debian.org weigert me?

[Floris]

Op Thu, 28 Sep 2017 13:22:44 +0200 schreef Paul van der Vlis  
:



Op 28-09-17 om 12:27 schreef Floris:


Misschien heb je er niks aan, maar bij mij verwijst security.debian.org/
naar villa.debian.org
$ ping4 security.debian.org
PING security.debian.org (212.211.132.32) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from villa.debian.org (212.211.132.32): icmp_seq=1 ttl=59
time=15.0 ms
64 bytes from villa.debian.org (212.211.132.32): icmp_seq=2 ttl=59
time=14.7 ms
64 bytes from villa.debian.org (212.211.132.32): icmp_seq=3 ttl=59
time=14.5 ms
^C

Waar verwijzen de guests naar?

security.debian.org verwijst daar ook naar villa.debian.org.

Hmm, op de probleem-machine verwijst dit naar
mirror-conova-security.debian.org. En op een andere machine naar
wieck.debian.org. Blijkbaar verschilt dit.

Maar de melding gaat niet over security.debian.org, maar om
security-cdn.debian.org, en dat verwijst naar
prod.debian.map.fastly.net. Zowel op de host als op de guests.

Groeten,
Paul.





ping4 security-cdn.debian.org
PING prod.debian.map.fastly.net (151.101.36.204) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 151.101.36.204 (151.101.36.204): icmp_seq=1 ttl=59 time=8.76  
ms

^C

Als ik in een browser naar prod.debian.map.fastly.net ga krijg ik:
Fastly error: unknown domain: prod.debian.map.fastly.net. Please check  
that this domain has been added to a service.




Wel vreemd, want op deb.debian.org lees ik het volgende waaruit blijkt dat  
prod.debian.map.fastly.net zal moeten werken:




Welcome to deb.debian.org!

This is deb.debian.org. This service provides mirrors for the following  
Debian archive repositories:


/debian/
/debian-debug/
/debian-ports/
/debian-security/
The server deb.debian.org does not have packages itself, but the name has  
SRV records in DNS that let apt in stretch and later find places.


To use it with a sufficiently recent apt, you for instance can put

deb http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable main
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-debug unstable-debug main
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-ports unstable main
in your sources.list.
As of October 2016 the SRV record is

_http._tcp.deb.debian.org.  IN  SRV 10 1 80 
prod.debian.map.fastly.net.
_http._tcp.deb.debian.org.  IN  SRV 10 1 80 
dpvctowv9b08b.cloudfront.net.
If you hit the server behind deb.debian.org directly, either because you  
use an older apt or because you use a HTTP proxy that does not support SRV  
records, your requests will get HTTP redirected to one of the CDN  
instances. If you want to avoid the redirects, you can pick one instance  
directly. For instance, this also works in your sources.list:

deb http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian stable main
deb http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian-security stable/updates main
The redirection service is also available on HTTPS, so with the  
apt-transport-https package installed, you can use:

deb https://deb.debian.org/debian stable main
deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-security stable/updates main
This service is sponsored by Fastly and Amazon CloudFront.


Waarschijnlijk al tig keer gecontroleerd, maar hoe zien de  
sources.list(.d/) er uit op de probleem machine?


Floris

Re: How to use zram ?

[tomas]

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> On 09/28/2017 11:56 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> >I didn't even know what it is -- but the zram(8) man page and a little
> >guesswork at least leads in some direction.

> Thank you very much. I have not found "the zram(8) man page "... But
> It seems to work :

Bah. I wanted to write  zramctl(8). How embarrasing :-)

But hey, glad it worked!

[...]

> Thank you very much.

Thank you for your detailed report.

Cheers
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Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110

[Curt]

On 2017-09-28, Pierre Frenkiel  wrote:
>
> So, the problem is not with the plug, as generally it must unplugged
> to get the sound through the speaker.
>

I suppose it is possible that the sensing circuitry or switch (?) in the
headphone jack is faulty or failing so that when you pull the headphone plug
out of the jack socket the audio signal isn't being switched to the speakers,
the plug's absence failing to be detected (or its presence continuing to
be).

I wonder if this hypothesis could be tested in software; it seems you can
do something like

 cat /proc/asound/card1/codec#0 | grep Pin-ctls
(if your sound card is card1 as mine is)

and look for values of "Pin-ctls=in" or "Pin-ctls=out" 

I obtain these values:


  Pin-ctls: 0x40: OUT
  Pin-ctls: 0x20: IN
  Pin-ctls: 0x20: IN
  Pin-ctls: 0x24: IN VREF_80
  Pin-ctls: 0x24: IN VREF_80
  Pin-ctls: 0x20: IN
  Pin-ctls: 0xc0: OUT HP VREF_HIZ
  Pin-ctls: 0x20: IN
  Pin-ctls: 0x20: IN
  Pin-ctls: 0x40: OUT

But they remain the same whether I have my headphones plugged in or not
(I have no speakers).

Anyhow, this is probably a very wild goose chase and a waste of our
precious time.

-- 
"A simpering Bambi narcissist and a thieving, fanatical Albanian dwarf."
Christopher Hitchens, commenting shortly after the nearly concurrent deaths 
of Lady Diana and Mother Theresa.

Re: How to change the console font?

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 09:14:46PM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

I used to be able to change the console font with a GUI program.
But I have forgotten how to do that. Console setup doesn't do it, I 
don't know what that does.


Can anybody help me out here?


I use 'setfont' from the kbd package. It sets it for the current
session. There's a related, but separate way to set it for the initial
sessions: edit /etc/default/console-setup. 


The fonts themselves (from which you can derive your specific list of
options) are stored in /usr/share/consolefonts/.

See the setfont(1) and console-setup(5) manual pages for more
information.

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Re: debian live fichiers iso

[Haricophile]

Le Thu, 28 Sep 2017 08:34:55 +0200,
lucien  a écrit :

> On Wed, 27 Sep 2017, lucien wrote:
> 
> > As a beginner I wanted to try debian , and loaded live iso files
> > Kde,Gnome,Cinnamon and Mate of the 9.0.1 version.
> >
> > None works except the gnome one .
> >
> > could you explain why ?  
> 
> bonjour ,
> j'avais envoyé le message ci dessus à cette adresse :
> ow...@bugs.debian.org
> 
> on m'a répondu que c'était une question d'ordre général et qu'il me 
> fallait l'adresser chez vous .
> 
> Depuis j'ai téléchargé une autre image de debian cinnamon 9.1.0 et
> j'ai réussi à l'essayer mais je doute pour l'installer sur le disque
> si il y a des problèmes comme ça je vais peut être garder ubuntu .
> Que pouvez vous me dire .Est ce qu'il y a vraiment des problèmes ?
> cdlt
> lucien dufour

C'est difficile de répondre à une question aussi floue en ayant aussi
peu d'information préalable.

Il me semble qu'il y a un manque de connaissance en informatique de ta
part plus que de problème technique, je vais essayer de donner des
pistes :

Ubuntu dérive de Debian, ça ne signifie pas que Ubuntu = Debian, mais
si tu sais maîtriser l'un, il te sera facile de passer à l'autre. Si
le fonctionnement de Ubuntu semble te convenir, une solution est
de te familiariser avec ce système et envisage plus tard d'utiliser
Debian, les outils d'administrations étant globalement les mêmes, le
passage d'un système à l'autre deviendra facile (en sachant que Ubuntu
dans ses choix favorise l'utilisateur "grand-public" lambda).

En dehors d'Ubuntu, il existe des distributions dérivées de Debian,
que je pourrait te recommander d'essayer :

https://dflinux.frama.io/home/ anciennement handylinux et maintenu par
les geeks de https://debian-facile.org

https://www.linuxmint.com/ qui est la distribution qui a supporté
Cinnamon à l'origine et dont il existe une "version Ubuntu" et une
"version Debian" (mint LMDE).

A savoir : Debian est assez pointilleux avec les licences libres, et
Ubuntu plus "pragmatique". Les paquets non libres ne se trouvent pas
dans les dépôts "main" de Debian pas plus que sur le disque
d'installation par le réseau et contrairement à Ubuntu, ils ne sont
jamais installé par défaut dans la procédure d'installation. Pour
simplifier la vie, il existe des images-disque non officielles contenant
aussi les firwmares non libres :
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/

Et pour finir, une version "Cinnamon" est un choix du "bureau" par
défaut à l'installation, tu peux toujours installer/désinstaller un
bureau par la suite, et il y a un choix du bureau à installer dans la
procédure d'installation de toutes les distributions "majeures" comme
Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora... c'est surtout pour les "live" que faute de
place sur le disque on est coincé.

P.S. On fait toujours une sauvegarde avant de faire des grosses
opérations sur le disque...

-- 
haricoph...@aranha.fr 

Re: security-cdn.debian.org weigert me?

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 28-09-17 om 12:27 schreef Floris:

> Misschien heb je er niks aan, maar bij mij verwijst security.debian.org/
> naar villa.debian.org
> $ ping4 security.debian.org
> PING security.debian.org (212.211.132.32) 56(84) bytes of data.
> 64 bytes from villa.debian.org (212.211.132.32): icmp_seq=1 ttl=59
> time=15.0 ms
> 64 bytes from villa.debian.org (212.211.132.32): icmp_seq=2 ttl=59
> time=14.7 ms
> 64 bytes from villa.debian.org (212.211.132.32): icmp_seq=3 ttl=59
> time=14.5 ms
> ^C
> 
> Waar verwijzen de guests naar?
security.debian.org verwijst daar ook naar villa.debian.org.

Hmm, op de probleem-machine verwijst dit naar
mirror-conova-security.debian.org. En op een andere machine naar
wieck.debian.org. Blijkbaar verschilt dit.

Maar de melding gaat niet over security.debian.org, maar om
security-cdn.debian.org, en dat verwijst naar
prod.debian.map.fastly.net. Zowel op de host als op de guests.

Groeten,
Paul.




-- 
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https://www.vandervlis.nl/

Re: security-cdn.debian.org weigert me?

[Floris]

Op Thu, 28 Sep 2017 11:08:53 +0200 schreef Paul van der Vlis  
:



Op 27-09-17 om 20:41 schreef Geert Stappers:

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 04:47:36PM +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:

Hoi,

Een machine geeft sinds een paar dagen foutmeldingen bij het ophalen  
van

security updates, zoiets:

---
Get:2 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main git amd64
1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u5 [3694 kB]
Err http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main
linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 amd64 3.16.43-2+deb8u5
  Could not connect to security-cdn.debian.org:80 (151.101.36.204),
connection timed out [IP: 151.101.36.204 80]
Fetched 4962 kB in 4min 0s (20.7 kB/s)
E: Failed to fetch
http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/l/linux/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64_3.16.43-2+deb8u5_amd64.deb
 Could not connect to security-cdn.debian.org:80 (151.101.36.204),
connection timed out [IP: 151.101.36.204 80]
---

root@kvm:~# telnet 151.101.36.204 80
Trying 151.101.36.204...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
root@kvm:~# ping 151.101.36.204
PING 151.101.36.204 (151.101.36.204) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 151.101.36.204: icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=4.99 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.36.204: icmp_seq=2 ttl=56 time=5.13 ms
^C

Het gaat om een KVM host, de guests hebben hier geen last van. Deze
hebben een eigen IP.

Wat zal er aan de hand zijn,


Waarschijnlijk een korte onderbreking.
Althans, in mijn meting is de klacht er niet meer.



$ telnet 151.101.36.204 80
Trying 151.101.36.204...
Connected to 151.101.36.204.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET / HTTP/1.0
Host: security.debian.org

HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Server: Apache
X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff
X-Frame-Options: sameorigin
Referrer-Policy: no-referrer
X-Xss-Protection: 1
Location: https://www.debian.org/security/
Cache-Control: max-age=120
Expires: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:37:43 GMT
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Via: 1.1 varnish
Fastly-Debug-Digest:  
96a24a8855fbaca6dde10ffdbdf5bb8c9e4c05f00c65c15a702fb8928a1cedb9

Content-Length: 285
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:35:43 GMT
Via: 1.1 varnish
Age: 0
Connection: close
X-Served-By: cache-fra1226-FRA, cache-ams4432-AMS
X-Cache: MISS, MISS
X-Cache-Hits: 0, 0
X-Timer: S1506537343.421910,VS0,VE28



302 Found

Found
The document has moved href="https://www.debian.org/security/;>here.


Apache Server at security.debian.org Port 80

Connection closed by foreign host.

Nee, het probleem is er nog steeds en speelt al sinds een week.

Bij vele machines gaat het dus ook bij mij prima, net als bij jou.
Maar bij 1 machine niet.

Deze machine is een KVM-host, guests op deze machine hebben er geen last
van terwijl ze aan hetzelfde fysieke netwerkkabeltje hangen (ze hebben
wel een ander IP).

Groeten,
Paul.





Misschien heb je er niks aan, maar bij mij verwijst security.debian.org/  
naar villa.debian.org

$ ping4 security.debian.org
PING security.debian.org (212.211.132.32) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from villa.debian.org (212.211.132.32): icmp_seq=1 ttl=59  
time=15.0 ms
64 bytes from villa.debian.org (212.211.132.32): icmp_seq=2 ttl=59  
time=14.7 ms
64 bytes from villa.debian.org (212.211.132.32): icmp_seq=3 ttl=59  
time=14.5 ms

^C

Waar verwijzen de guests naar?

Floris

Re: How to use zram ?

[Pierre Couderc]

On 09/28/2017 11:56 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 11:47:56AM +0200, Pierre Couderc wrote:

I have found no howto for zram under debian,  nor even the word
"zram" in the archives of this list !

I have tried to use zramctl but it refuses with :

root@nous:~# zramctl --find --size 1024M
zramctl: no free zram device found

I suppose I should init something somewere, but what ?

On the contrary ubuntu has a dedicated zram-config to make the job.

Thanks for any help.

I didn't even know what it is -- but the zram(8) man page and a little
guesswork at least leads in some direction.

I assume you'd want to load the zram kernel module (sudo modprobe zram,
I'd guess) to be in in the fun.

There's some doc about the Linux kernel module itself (just follow the
link in the above man page).

Let us know how it works out and... make a backup first!


Thank you very much. I have not found "the zram(8) man page "... But It 
seems to work :


root@nous:~# modprobe zram num_devices=2
root@nous:~# zramctl --find --size 1024M
/dev/zram0
root@nous:~# zramctl --find --size 1024M
/dev/zram1
root@nous:~# free -th
  total    used    free  shared buff/cache   
available

Mem:   3.8G 73M    3.6G    5.5M 146M    3.5G
Swap:    0B  0B  0B
Total: 3.8G 73M    3.6G
root@nous:~# mkswap /dev/zram0
Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1024 MiB (1073737728 bytes)
no label, UUID=66e3aa01-a4b8-4308-b317-608c6a072810
root@nous:~# free -th
  total    used    free  shared buff/cache   
available

Mem:   3.8G 73M    3.6G    5.5M 146M    3.5G
Swap:    0B  0B  0B
Total: 3.8G 73M    3.6G
root@nous:~# swapon /dev/zram0
root@nous:~# free -th
  total    used    free  shared buff/cache   
available

Mem:   3.8G 73M    3.6G    5.5M 147M    3.5G
Swap:  1.0G  0B    1.0G
Total: 4.8G 73M    4.6G
root@nous:~# mkswap /dev/zram1
Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1024 MiB (1073737728 bytes)
no label, UUID=69b8070b-3b8d-4234-a773-a59812e54552
root@nous:~# swapon /dev/zram1
root@nous:~# free -th
  total    used    free  shared buff/cache   
available

Mem:   3.8G 74M    3.6G    5.5M 147M    3.5G
Swap:  2.0G  0B    2.0G
Total: 5.8G 74M    5.6G
root@nous:~#

Now I suppose I shouls put that in a systemd script...

Thank you very much.

PC

Re: How to use zram ?

[tomas]

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On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 11:47:56AM +0200, Pierre Couderc wrote:
> I have found no howto for zram under debian,  nor even the word
> "zram" in the archives of this list !
> 
> I have tried to use zramctl but it refuses with :
> 
> root@nous:~# zramctl --find --size 1024M
> zramctl: no free zram device found
> 
> I suppose I should init something somewere, but what ?
> 
> On the contrary ubuntu has a dedicated zram-config to make the job.
> 
> Thanks for any help.

I didn't even know what it is -- but the zram(8) man page and a little
guesswork at least leads in some direction.

I assume you'd want to load the zram kernel module (sudo modprobe zram,
I'd guess) to be in in the fun.

There's some doc about the Linux kernel module itself (just follow the
link in the above man page).

Let us know how it works out and... make a backup first!

Cheers
- -- tomás
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How to use zram ?

[Pierre Couderc]

I have found no howto for zram under debian,  nor even the word "zram" 
in the archives of this list !


I have tried to use zramctl but it refuses with :

root@nous:~# zramctl --find --size 1024M
zramctl: no free zram device found

I suppose I should init something somewere, but what ?

On the contrary ubuntu has a dedicated zram-config to make the job.

Thanks for any help.

PC

Re: Re : origem do logo Debian

[Helio Loureiro]

Na verdade não são distro livres.  Elas usam o linux-libre que é um patch
em cima do linux que bloqueia o uso de firmware proprietário.  Cercear a
escolha do usuário não é liberdade.  O Debian por padrão vai sem firmwares
e sem o repositório non-free.  Dá ao usuário a liberdade de escolha.

Essa bolsonoragem da FSF de enfiar liberdade - segundo ela - goela abaixo é
algo novo.  Eu particularmente acho deplorável e fiz uma reclamação a ela
sobre isso.  Eles respoderam que é recomendação, não obrigação.  Ainda
assim achei que Debian merecia estar ali.

Vänliga hälsningar/Best Regards,
Helio Loureiro
http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
https://se.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
http://twitter.com/helioloureiro

Note: if you failed to reach me, try my alternative mail "
helio.loure...@gmail.com".
I'm implementing DKIM on my mail server, so some disturbance is expected.


Em 27 de setembro de 2017 18:40, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA <
l...@dutras.org> escreveu:

> Le mercredi 27 septembre 2017 à 11:46 -0300, Gilberto F da Silva a
> écrit :
> >
> >   O que a Free Software Foundation recomenda como sistema
> > operacional?
>
> A FSF tem uma lista de distribuições livres, inclusive a Guix mas
> incluindo também pelo menos uma derivada de Debian cujo nome agora me
> escapa.
>
>
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Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

I've seen that problem before, the mini plug was not pushed in all the way and 
there was no sound.  I hope your problem is that simple.


  Hi Jimmy,
  it seems you missed these lines:
    the sound works correctly
  with the headphone, even with  speaker-test !

   So, the problem is not with the plug, as generally it must unplugged
   to get the sound through the speaker.

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel 

Re: An answer to "Gave up waiting for suspend/resume device"

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 28/09/2017 à 09:39, Jimmy Johnson a écrit :

On 09/27/2017 02:38 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:

Le 27/09/2017 à 10:37, Jimmy Johnson a écrit :


  But if everything is correct and you are using lets say sda1 as 
root in your fstab your system will use sda1 as the LABEL, I've seen 
this over and over.


Nonsense. sda1 is the block device name and does not have anything to 
do with the LABEL which is a filesystem metadata field.


But all this is advanced setup for people running more than one Linux 
system and having to edit UUID on all systems because you install a 
new system is undesirable.


No it does not have anything to do with multiple Linux systems.


In fstab a label is used as a device name, a uuid is used as a device 
name and /dev/sda1 is a device name, you are just trying to make 
nonsense out of nothing.


A label or a UUID are not really used as device names, they are used 
*instead* of a device name.


Anyway, this is not the same as what you wrote earlier and is pure 
nonsense :


"your system will use sda1 as the LABEL"

Unless you meant "define 'sda1' as the filesystem/swap label and use 
LABEL='sda1' in /etc/fstab", which is a really bad use of labels leading 
to confusion between labels and device names. Labels are meant to be 
explicit about the contents, not the container.


And editing multiple fstab config files because I've installed a new 
system is, like I said undesirable and why I use device names in both my 
fstab and grub boot menu.  As you know when a new system is installed 
swap is formatted and it's uuid gets changed every time it's formatted.


The Debian installer does this, but I am not sure that all other distro 
installers do the same. Moreover, the Debian installer will format an 
existing swap only if that swap is marked for use (the trick is that all 
existing swaps are automatically marked for use by default, so you have 
to pay attention and unmark them if you do not want them to be 
formatted). IMO this is a real bug in the installer.


So my general policy when installing Debian is to mark any existing swap 
as "not used", and if I want to share an existing swap, I add the line 
manually in /etc/fstab in the new system after the installation.


To address this swap sharing issue you may be interested in the GPT 
partition scheme : among other advantages, it supports partition labels 
and UUIDs (PARTLABEL and PARTUUID) which are independent of the contents 
of the partition, so they do not change when the partition is formatted.

Debian supports them in /etc/fstab since Jessie.

Recent kernel emulates partition UUIDs with legacy MBR/DOS partition 
scheme, but they are less reliable because these PARTUUID contain the 
partition number, and logical partitions may be renumbered after 
creating or removing another logical partition. That is another reason 
not to use logical partition device names in /etc/fstab.

System hardening: adding hidepid to /proc?

[Brent Clark]

Good day Guys

I came across this document:

https://linux-audit.com/linux-system-hardening-adding-hidepid-to-proc/

The idea is to increase security by hiding the display of running
processes, and their arguments, which belong to other users. This helps
avoid problems if users enter passwords on the command-line, and similar.

Its suggesting mount /proc with the option hidepid=2.

I would like to ask:

1) is it safe?

2) did you incur any issues?

3) what are your thoughts


The security audit tool, Lynis, also checks to see if /proc is mounted
hidepid?

[+] File systems

  - Checking mount points

snippet

  - Testing /proc mount (hidepid) [ OK ]

Many thanks

Brent

P.s. I see its not suggested in the ''Securing Debian Manual"

Re: no sound on Lenovo Ideapad 110

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/26/2017 03:37 AM, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:

On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:


Yes. It looks like sound card was detected and initialized, but Pulse
Audio was unable to set it as "default" automatically.
Have you tried to list and use available cards from alsa perspective
(your device names may be different)?


   I'm not sure that this is the problem, as the sound works correctly
   with the headphone, even with  speaker-test !
   I already tried with the different devices given by "aplay -L",
   and of course checked the output levels with alsamixer.
   for example: "speaker-test -Dsysdefault:Generic -c 2 -t sine"
   but never got any sound through the speaker.
   I remind you that the hardware is not involved, as the sound works
   with Windows 10.

best regards,



I've seen that problem before, the mini plug was not pushed in all the 
way and there was no sound.  I hope your problem is that simple.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - KDE Plasma 5.8.6 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6
Registered Linux User #380263

Re : Re : Performance RAID instable

[Thierry Bugier]

Bonjour

Le jeudi 28 septembre 2017 à 08:59 +0200, Jean-Bernard Dubois a écrit :
> Le 26/09/2017 à 16:40, Thierry Bugier a écrit :
> > Bonjour
> > 
> > Le mardi 26 septembre 2017 à 15:55 +0200, Jean-Bernard Dubois a
> > écrit :
> > > J'ai également constaté un comportement très similaire sur un de
> > > mes
> > > serveurs après le passage a debian9. J'ai également incriminé le
> > > raid
> > > (raid5 hard HP).
> > > Mais après plusieurs essais, je constate que le même phénomène se
> > > produit aussi sur le disque amovible USB3 qui est sur la même
> > > machine.
> > 
> > Sur ce type de RAID, j'imagine que ce sont des disques magnétiques,
> > n'est ce pas ?
> > 
> > 
> 
> Oui. Et le disque amovible est aussi a plateaux et pas du tout en
> raid.
> 

Donc c'est clair (et d'autres messages le confirment) que ce n'est pas
lié à la nature des disques. 

Je n'ai pas pu réfléchir encore aux graphes de performance délivrés
hier. Peut être ce soir. 

Si un disque en USB3 (non RAID) pose également le souci je crois que le
code du RAID logiciel n'est pas en cause, et que ça se passe ailleurs.
Vu la solution de contournement, ca doit se passer au niveau de la
gestion du cache en RAM.

Re: An answer to "Gave up waiting for suspend/resume device"

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/27/2017 02:38 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:

Le 27/09/2017 à 10:37, Jimmy Johnson a écrit :

On 09/26/2017 02:25 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:

Le 26/09/2017 à 03:55, Jimmy Johnson a écrit :

Hi Mark, while multi-booting I use the device name in fstab,
/dev/sd?? none swap sw 0 0, it works for all my installed systems.


It is not always reliable with multiple drives, because device names 
are not stable across reboots. So it is advised to use persistent 
identifiers such as UUID or LABEL instead.


Yes, what you say is true, but not very often and from what I've seen 
is due to mainboard setup or defects in the mainboard causing the bad 
setup due to mainboard SATA connection being mislabeled.


No, it is due to the asynchronous nature of device probing and module 
loading by the kernel and udev in modern Linux systems.


Could be but I've only seen that problem on two computers out of easily 
more than 1000 and one of those was a mislabeled main board under 
warranty and the computer was replaced with another model and the other 
computer has taken out of service.


  But if everything is correct and you are using lets say sda1 as root 
in your fstab your system will use sda1 as the LABEL, I've seen this 
over and over.


Nonsense. sda1 is the block device name and does not have anything to do 
with the LABEL which is a filesystem metadata field.


But all this is advanced setup for people running more than one Linux 
system and having to edit UUID on all systems because you install a 
new system is undesirable.


No it does not have anything to do with multiple Linux systems.


In fstab a label is used as a device name, a uuid is used as a device 
name and /dev/sda1 is a device name, you are just trying to make 
nonsense out of nothing.


And editing multiple fstab config files because I've installed a new 
system is, like I said undesirable and why I use device names in both my 
fstab and grub boot menu.  As you know when a new system is installed 
swap is formatted and it's uuid gets changed every time it's formatted.


I do use labels on external plug and play drives though.
--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - KDE Plasma 5.8.6 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: How to change the console font?

[igor80]

Hi,

$ man setfont



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igor

Re: How to change the console font?

[Elimar Riesebieter]

* Hugo Vanwoerkom  [2017-09-27 21:14 -0500]:

> I used to be able to change the console font with a GUI program.
> But I have forgotten how to do that. Console setup doesn't do it, I don't
> know what that does.

dpkg-reconfigure console-setup

Elimar
-- 
  Obviously the human brain works like a computer.
  Since there are no stupid computers humans can't be stupid.
  There are just a few running with Windows or even CE ;-)

Re: Debian Stretch como roteador e AP

[bruno]

 

Fabio, opa,
Cara, meus primeiros testes com configuração em modo
bridge não foram muito bons não. Segui a receita dessa página
(https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections), mas ao criar a
interface bridge br0, o computador fica offline. Nem cheguei a testar se
ele conseguia fornecer conexão para o switch, pois ele ficou offline em
todas as tentativas.
Basicamente o que fiz foi:

brctl addbr br0

brctl
addif br0 eth0 usb1

Para adicionar a interface sem fio wlan0 é um pouco
mais complicado, o comando dá erro se tentar simplesmente adicionar.


Esse comando resolveu:

iw dev wlan0 set 4addr on 

De qualquer forma,
não pude testar nada, como falei antes, o computador fica offline quando
cria a br0.

A interface eth0 (wan) deve ser adicionada à bridge
br0?

Você comentou que usou essa config por um tempo. Teria os arquivos
de config ainda pra compartilhar?

Valeu!

Em 25.09.2017 12:56, Fábio
Rabelo escreveu: 

> Eu usei uma configuração exatamente como o Sr.
pretende usar por vários anos .
> 
> Abandonei por causa de consumo de
energia .
> 
> Muito simples, levante as duas placas de rede como
bridge, e pronto !
> 
> No /etc/network, configure a rede USB com fio
como bridge, por exemplo
> br0, e na configuração do hostapd, faça ele
se conectar na mesma br0 .
> 
> Fábio Rabelo
> 
> Em 25 de setembro de
2017 12:00,  escreveu:
> 
>> Pessoal, bom dia, Tenho
em casa um computador funcionando como AP, com o hostapd, tranquilo. É
um gabinete mini-itx, sem expansão via pci, então uso a interface
ethernet e coloquei um adaptador de rede sem fio usb. Até aí ok. Agora
comprei um adaptador usb ethernet gigabit para adicionar mais uma
interface de rede com fio para transformá-lo em roteador e AP. O que eu
queria fazer e não tenho encontrado nas minhas pesquisas é a forma como
ele deve ser configurado para que tanto a interface de rede sem fio
quanto a interface de rede ethernet (Lan) fiquem na mesma rede IP. Com
roteadores comerciais, é possível conectar um notebook via wireless e
ter um IP do tipo 192.168.0.x, na mesma rede de um computador conectado
via cabo que é também 192.168.0.x. A ideia é que seja facil e simples
conectar todos os dispositivos da casa e trocar arquivos entre eles via
ssh, nfs, samba, etc. Resumindo: quando pronto ele terá três interfaces
de rede: Wan: 1 ethernet que vem do meu modem tim, que é o gateway
padrão dele Lan: 1 sem fio do tipo 192.168.0.x Lan: 1 com fio também do
tipo 192.168.0.x, que sai pra um switch gigabit 8 portas. Essa infra vai
servir internet e intranet pra três notebooks (um win e dois linux),
dois smartfones android e uma smartTV. Obrigadão!

 

Re: How to change the console font?

[Dejan Jocic]

On 27-09-17, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> I used to be able to change the console font with a GUI program.
> But I have forgotten how to do that. Console setup doesn't do it, I don't
> know what that does.
> 
> Can anybody help me out here?
> 
> Hugo (Sid)
> 

Don't know about GUI program, can't remember of any that was able to do
it. But, console settings are in /etc/default/console-setup. You can
edit those by hand, or run dpkg-reconfigure console-setup. That worked
for me.

Re: Performance RAID instable

[BERTRAND Joël]

Jean-Bernard Dubois a écrit :

Le 27/09/2017 à 13:00, Seb a écrit :


Bonjour,



J'ai également constaté un comportement très similaire sur un de mes
serveurs après le passage a debian9.


Merci de le dire !


J'ai également incriminé le raid (raid5 hard HP).


Sur disques SSD ou à plateaux ?
Avec quel filesystem ?

A plateaux, ext4



Bonjour,

Avec Buster, je ne note pas ce genre de désagrément. ext3 et ext4 sur 
raid1 et rai6d tout en magnétique (machine avec un i7 et 16 Go de mémoire).


Noyau courant : 4.12.0-1-amd64

En revanche, sur un portable avec 4Go de mémoire (et un core2duo), j'ai 
régulièrement avec ce même noyau le passage de oom-killer, ce que je 
n'avais jamais avant lui. Je pense qu'il y a un problème plus général 
qu'un problème raid avec ce noyau.


Cordialement,

JKB

Re: Performance RAID instable

[Jean-Bernard Dubois]

Le 27/09/2017 à 13:00, Seb a écrit :


Bonjour,


J'ai également constaté un comportement très similaire sur un de mes 
serveurs après le passage a debian9.


Merci de le dire !


J'ai également incriminé le raid (raid5 hard HP).


Sur disques SSD ou à plateaux ?
Avec quel filesystem ?

A plateaux, ext4

--
Cordialement
Jean-Bernard Dubois
Gaïa Converter

Re: Re : Performance RAID instable

[Jean-Bernard Dubois]

Le 26/09/2017 à 16:40, Thierry Bugier a écrit :

Bonjour

Le mardi 26 septembre 2017 à 15:55 +0200, Jean-Bernard Dubois a écrit :

J'ai également constaté un comportement très similaire sur un de mes
serveurs après le passage a debian9. J'ai également incriminé le
raid
(raid5 hard HP).
Mais après plusieurs essais, je constate que le même phénomène se
produit aussi sur le disque amovible USB3 qui est sur la même
machine.

Sur ce type de RAID, j'imagine que ce sont des disques magnétiques,
n'est ce pas ?



Oui. Et le disque amovible est aussi a plateaux et pas du tout en raid.

--

Cordialement
Jean-Bernard Dubois
Gaïa Converter

Re: Restore backup to KVM

[Reco]

Hi.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 06:56:27PM +0200, solitone wrote:
> On 27/09/17 14:01, solitone wrote:
> > Although mkfs had warned me, I mistakenly formatted the entire file,
> > like this:
> > 
> > $ sudo mkfs.ext4 restore.img
> > 
> > Now I've redone it the right way, using a loop device, and I'll see how
> > it goes.
> 
> It's a struggle! Now that I partitioned the image file, it sees /dev/sda1.
> There was an inconsistency between the filesystem size and the physical size
> of the device though, that I repaired with resize2fs, specifying the
> physical number of blocks.

And that's good.


> Now it finally mounts /dev/sda1, but on /root rather than on /, as it did
> before with the unpartitioned image file (/dev/sda):
> 
> ==
> Begin: Will now check root file system ... fsck from util-linux 2.29.2
> [/sbin/fsck.ext4 (1) -- /dev/sda1] fsck.ext4 -a -C0 /dev/sda1
> /dev/sda1: clean, 434181/5898240 files, 15163981/23592711 blocks
> done.
> [   33.088863] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
> Opts: (null)
> done.
> Begin: Running /scripts/local-bottom ... done.
> Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... mount: mounting /dev on /root/dev
> failed: No such file or directory
> mount: mounting /dev on /root/dev failed: No such file or directory
> done.
> mount: mounting /run on /root/run failed: No such file or directory
> run-init: opening console: No such file or directory
> Target filesystem doesn't have requested /bin/bash.
> run-init: opening console: No such file or directory
> run-init: opening console: No such file or directory
> run-init: opening console: No such file or directory
> run-init: opening console: No such file or directory
> run-init: opening console: No such file or directory
> No init found. Try passing init= bootarg.
> 
> 
> BusyBox v1.22.1 (Debian 1:1.22.0-19+b3) built-in shell (ash)
> Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.
> 
> (initramfs) df
> Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
> udev 46448 0 46448   0% /dev
> tmpfs1168460 11624   1% /run
> /dev/sda1 92365508  58650588  2898  67% /root
> (initramfs)
> ==

And that means I have to take my words back. You cannot use stock Debian
initrd in these conditions.

It's not that you did something wrong at creating filesystem this time.

It's initrd that first tries to mount tmpfs filesystems on /root (and
fails), and only *then* mounts your root filesystem to /root (with the
intention to switch to it as /).

I have this feeling that you could workaround it by using custom-built
initrd, but I need to think through the details.

Reco

Re: debian live fichiers iso

[Christophe Musseau]

Bonjour




Le 28 sept. 2017 08:51, "lucien"  a écrit :

Depuis j'ai téléchargé une autre image de debian cinnamon 9.1.0 et j'ai
réussi à l'essayer mais je doute pour l'installer sur le disque si il y a
des problèmes comme ça je vais peut être garder ubuntu .
Que pouvez vous me dire .Est ce qu'il y a vraiment des problèmes ?
cdlt
lucien dufour


Bonjour

J'utilise Cinnamon sur une version testing depuis 2 à 3 ans. Mises à jour
quotidiennes. Et franchement je suis très satisfait.

Re: how to check GCC default C standard

[慕 冬亮]

On 09/26/2017 06:22 PM, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 05:10:32PM +, 慕 冬亮 wrote:
>> how do I check the default C standard GCC uses? I check "gcc -v"(list
>> below), but nothing is found.
>
> the default is to not be standards compliant. if you need a specific 
> standard you should specify it (e.g., -std=c11)
>
>> gcc version 7.2.0 (Debian 7.2.0-5)
>
> The info page or
> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-7.2.0/gcc/Standards.html#Standards
>
> notes "The default, if no C language dialect options are given, is 
> -std=gnu11" and gnu11 as "C11 with GNU extensions" for gcc 7.2.0.
>
I see. Thanks.
> Mike Stone

-- 

My best regards to you.

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  Dongliang Mu

debian live fichiers iso

[lucien]

On Wed, 27 Sep 2017, lucien wrote:


As a beginner I wanted to try debian , and loaded live iso files
Kde,Gnome,Cinnamon and Mate of the 9.0.1 version.

None works except the gnome one .

could you explain why ?


bonjour ,
j'avais envoyé le message ci dessus à cette adresse :
ow...@bugs.debian.org

on m'a répondu que c'était une question d'ordre général et qu'il me 
fallait l'adresser chez vous .


Depuis j'ai téléchargé une autre image de debian cinnamon 9.1.0 et j'ai 
réussi à l'essayer mais je doute pour l'installer sur le disque si il y 
a des problèmes comme ça je vais peut être garder ubuntu .

Que pouvez vous me dire .Est ce qu'il y a vraiment des problèmes ?
cdlt
lucien dufour