Re: Anybody Skype users here?
On 31/5/24 08:04, David Wright wrote: On Fri 31 May 2024 at 07:57:22 (+0800), Bret Busby wrote: On 31/5/24 07:49, Keith Bainbridge wrote: wget https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb Trying to access that URL with SeaMonkey, to view the directory listing (to find version numbers), returned the following; " An error occurred while processing your request. Reference #97.6edf56b8.1717113285.e8ac5eb https://errors.edgesuite.net/97.6edf56b8.1717113285.e8ac5eb " It took a few seconds while it thought about it (I thought it might time out), but it worked here (KS): $ wget https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb --2024-05-30 18:59:55-- https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb Resolving repo.skype.com (repo.skype.com)... 23.32.128.139, 2001:578:2c:fe8b::1263, 2001:578:2c:fe99::1263 Connecting to repo.skype.com (repo.skype.com)|23.32.128.139|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 122062452 (116M) [application/x-debian-package] Saving to: ‘skypeforlinux-64.deb’ skypeforlinux-64.deb100%[=>] 116.41M 9.19MB/sin 12s 2024-05-30 19:00:27 (9.34 MB/s) - ‘skypeforlinux-64.deb’ saved [122062452/122062452] $ Cheers, David. Hello. If you install it, please tell me what is the version number. Thank you in anticipation. .... Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: Anybody Skype users here?
On 31/5/24 07:33, Dan Ritter wrote:
Does it work through a browser?
Zoom works through a browser. Google Meet works through a
browser. MS Teams works through a browser. And Jitsi works
through a browser.
-dsr-
Using each of those, apparently, comes with its own varying degree of risk.
Zoom and google might be okay, if you want your calls content
intercepted and sold, and, used for impersonation, etc.
jitsi has been regarded as the relatively safest.
The problems of zoom, etc ("we are recording you through your bedroom
window, so we can use whatever amuses us"), has previously been
discussed on this list, and, at The Register, with the Free Software
Foundation telling its people to not uses zoom, and, recommending and
adopting jitsi, for such communications.
Search list archive for zoom...
One great disadvantage, as far as I am aware, with skype, is that it has
been available only for limited platforms; I have siblings who use Mac
systems, for which, skype does not work. They use zoom for video calls,
as it is cross-platform. They do not have the ICT awareness, to be aware
of problems with zoom, in terms of privacy and security breaches by the
provider.
A problem is that some people and institutions, are fixed in their ways,
and mandate skype or zoom, or some other similarly disreputable software.
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.
Re: Anybody Skype users here?
On 31/5/24 07:49, Keith Bainbridge wrote: Good morning Juan Three sites suggest: wget https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb Trying to access that URL with SeaMonkey, to view the directory listing (to find version numbers), returned the following; " An error occurred while processing your request. Reference #97.6edf56b8.1717113285.e8ac5eb https://errors.edgesuite.net/97.6edf56b8.1717113285.e8ac5eb " -- Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: Anybody Skype users here?
On 31/5/24 06:58, Juan R.D. Silva wrote: Hi folks, I use Skype installed from Debian official repo. A couple of days ago it refused to update reporting "server timed out". After looking into it, I found that MS removed Skype.deb package from their server and basically forces everyone to use Snap package instead. Skype is the only app I would need Snap for on my system. Unfortunately, I still need Skype and I do not see any alternative but to concede to MS (and Ubuntu?) brute coercion. Any body installed Snap on their Debian system? Any problems with that thing? Any suggestions to use Skype otherwise? Thanks What version of skype do you have installed? I have skypeforlinux 8.109.0.209 installed on a Linux Mint system. But, I have not used skype, now, for about 11 years. Regarding snap, with your reference to Ubuntu Linux, the imposition of snap was one of the reasons to leave Ubuntu Linux. snap is bloat, and leads to nastiness, like automatic updating of a system, so that, for example, if you would be in the middle of an important skype call, or, in the middle of another important task, expect to have it all shutdown - Ubuntu has gone the MS way (with its snap cr*p), and, starts doing a system update and reboot; so, if you really want any control that you have over your system, and, confidence in using your system, taken away from you then, infect it with snap. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward [was: How to run automatically a script as soon root login]
Wasn't sudo echo the name of a pop group? :) Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: Zoom in the official repo is outdated
On 25/4/24 08:13, Jeffrey Walton wrote: Related, if you control the venue, then you might consider using Jitsi. Jitsi is open source, and it does not have the obscene terms of service that companies like Google, Microsoft and Zoom push onto people using their service. With Jitsi, your meeting data is yours. It is not used internally for other products, and it is not shared with partners like the Big Tech companies do. And last but not least, Zoom is not trustworthy. The company will lie to users until the cows come home. It was so bad the FCC had to sue them to get the company to stop. That's saying something when the FCC moves against a company. The FCC is captured, and the regulatory body rarely moves against any company. Jeff This has been discussed (and disgusted) some months ago, on this list. zoom, like the big g (that appears to be the ominous g in the freemasons symbolism), is known to be a spybot thingy, making use of content from communications. As the big g does it with the goggle searches and with geemail, zoom does it with the audio and video from its audiovisual communications. Using either, for communications that are not wanted to be made public, or sold to people that want to cause harm, is not a good idea. jitsi is recognised as being significantly less of a spybot, and so, is recommended for use, by the FSF, I believe, where use of zoom, is strongly discouraged, I believe. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: youtube-dl blocked?
On 24/4/24 23:32, Greg Wooledge wrote: The yt-dlp package is version 2023.03.04-1. It's 13 months old. And the backports version is 2024.04.09-1~bpo12+1 ; all of 15 days old. Sheesh. This is starting to appear like the Monty Python's Flying Circus "Buying an argument" skit. I have had enough. And, as the great Forrest Gump said, "And that is all I have to say about that." I am leaving this skit. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: youtube-dl blocked?
On 24/4/24 22:50, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 10:31:44PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: The latest version of youtube-dl , makes it too old to try to use now; if you can get it working with youtube, good luck to you. An unmaintained package, that is three years since last updated, for accessing web sites on the World Wide Web? H. The youtube-dl package in Debian 12 is a transitional package which brings in yt-dlp (version 2023.03.04-1 currently). Whether that's too old to be usable is a good question, but it's definitely not "three years since last updated". Okay - my apology - at https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/blob/master/ChangeLog is " dstftw release 2021.12.17 version 2021.12.17 Core * [postprocessor/ffmpeg] Show ffmpeg output on error (#22680, #29336) Extractors * [youtube] Update signature function patterns (#30363, #30366) * [peertube] Only call description endpoint if necessary (#29383) * [periscope] Pass referer to HLS requests (#29419) - [liveleak] Remove extractor (#17625, #24222, #29331) + [pornhub] Add support for pornhubthbh7ap3u.onion * [pornhub] Detect geo restriction * [pornhub] Dismiss tbr extracted from download URLs (#28927) * [curiositystream:collection] Extend _VALID_URL (#26326, #29117) * [youtube] Make get_video_info processing more robust (#29333) * [youtube] Workaround for get_video_info request (#29333) * [bilibili] Strip uploader name (#29202) * [youtube] Update invidious instance list (#29281) * [umg:de] Update GraphQL API URL (#29304) * [nrk] Switch psapi URL to https (#29344) + [egghead] Add support for app.egghead.io (#28404, #29303) * [appleconnect] Fix extraction (#29208) + [orf:tvthek] Add support for MPD formats (#28672, #29236) version 2021.06.06 " - the changelog showing youtube-dl to have been last updated 2021.12.17 so, it is only two years and four months ; 28 months, and, not 36 months, since it was last updated. My error. I wonder how many people would be happy using Debian Linux, if it was not updated for 28 months? .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: youtube-dl blocked?
On 24/4/24 11:23, David Wright wrote: On Tue 23 Apr 2024 at 23:15:17 (-0300), Markos wrote: The site https://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html is blocked? Is there any other alternative to download videos from Youtube in Linux command line? That site works here, but I don't think that's important. It appears to offer youtube-dl 2021.12.17, which is /ancient/. You'd be better off just installing Debian's yt-dlp in the usual manner. And you can do better than that at the moment, by using the backports version, 2024.04.09-1~bpo12+1. If the backports version falls behind, you can usually install the version from unstable (now trixie), because yt-dlp's dependencies are all unversioned. The medium term disadvantage of this approach is that it won't be upgraded automatically when a new version appears: you have to keep an eye out. Cheers, David. I have been unable to use youtube-dl for (I believe) over a year, now, due, I believe, to changes made by youtube, and, had been unable to use yt-dlp . Then, after reading the above post by David Wright, I updated my installed version of yt-dlp to the backports version 2024.04.09-1~bpo12+1, and, yt-dlp is merrily working. The latest version of youtube-dl , makes it too old to try to use now; if you can get it working with youtube, good luck to you. An unmaintained package, that is three years since last updated, for accessing web sites on the World Wide Web? H. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: tbird troubles
On 16/4/24 00:49, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:59:25AM -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 4/15/24 10:01, gene heskett wrote: On 4/15/24 09:09, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:28:24AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2 separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of working, but quitting one actually quits both. How do you launch it? Are you clicking something? Are you DOUBLE-clicking something? A single click on the name from the internet section of the xfce menu. I'm wondering whether Gene's mouse might be physically failing, and sending multiple click events when he presses the button once. This is one of the possible failure modes for mouse buttons. Try running "thunderbird" from a terminal emulator and see what happens. Yes, that's a reasonable thing to try. To see whether the mouse button might be misbehaving, Gene could try running xev, and slowly clicking the (left) mouse button inside the xev window. There should be exactly one press event, and one release event, each time the button is clicked, regardless of how long it's I think that, from memory, a utility for adjusting the mouse click speed, also is available, for adjusting the mouse click speed. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Please terminate this faecal matter - the whole thread appears to be a troll.....Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP
On 16/3/24 02:27, Van Snyder wrote: On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 11:09 -0700, Will Mengarini wrote: Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on *THIS*?! At the rate that sea plants and creatures are removing CO2 from the atmosphere to combine it with calcium to make bones and armor, eventually eternal limestone, we have only about eighteen million years until Gaia commits suicide. Why should we continue to be complicit? Read Patrick Moore. The Positive Impact of Human CO2 Emissions on the Survival of Life on Earth. Frontier Science for Public Policy, June 2016. -- Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: Copy from Firefox and paste into Terminal with Vim
On 6/2/24 07:14, David Christensen wrote: debian-user: I have a laptop with: 2024-02-05 15:04:48 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a ; dpkg-query -W xfce4 firefox-esr vim 11.8 Linux laalaa 5.10.0-27-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.205-2 (2023-12-31) x86_64 GNU/Linux firefox-esr 115.7.0esr-1~deb11u1 vim 2:8.2.2434-3+deb11u1 xfce4 4.16 2024-02-05 15:10:08 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ grep -v '"' .vimrc | grep . map q set autoindent set backspace=indent,eol,start set nocompatible set nomodeline set number set numberwidth=8 set paste set shiftwidth=4 set wildmode=longest,list Normally, I can cut and paste between Xfce desktop applications. For example, if I start Firefox, disable all extensions, browse to: https://www.toyota.com/dealers/ Enter a Zip Code of "12345", highlight the first result, copy it to the clipboard, and paste into this message, I see: Lia Toyota of Colonie 2116 Central Ave., Rte. 5, Schenectady NY 12304 (5.3 miles) Today's Hours: 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM (518) 374-3700 But if I close the above Firefox window, start a Firefox instance, browse to: https://www.toyota.com/dealers/ Enter a Zip Code of "12345", highlight the first result, copy it to the clipboard, start Terminal, open a file with Vim, press "i" to enter insert mode, and paste, sometimes I see what I copied to the clipboard and sometimes I see nothing. I am unable to determine if the problem is Firefox, Vim, or something else. Comments or suggestions? David How exactly are you copying and pasting? Are you marking the text and using Copy and Paste from the menu generated by clicking the non-dominant mouse button, or, are you marking the text, and using to copy then to paste? What happens if you copy and paste to an editor such as gedit? Does that work consistently? If so, what happens if you copy and paste to gedit, and then, copy from gedit, and paste to the vim window? Does it make any difference whether you have the vim session open, and the file open, into which you want to paste, before you copy the text that you want to paste into it? Have you tried the text editor that is the default editor for alpine (previously known as pine) - I think it is either nano or pico? Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: How to insert symbols into emails (was: Re: Monospace fonts, Re: Changing The PSI Definition)
On 29/1/24 22:54, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 03:29:57PM +0100, Franco Martelli wrote: On 26/01/24 at 20:50, David Wright wrote: I'll give a shout-out for Hack,¹ which I can't fault for use in xterms. Comparingxterm -geometry 80x25+0+0 -fa hack -fs 16 with xterm -geometry 80x25+0+0 -fa inconsolata -fs 18 (to make the sizes roughly the same), I find the inconsolata stroke width on the basic Roman alphabet is a little spindly. Other criticisms are that the stroke widths (and even the size) later in the table (eg 0x256–1312) are thicker or larger, and many single-width characters are slightly oversize and get truncated at the top & right (eg Ŵ at 0x372, Lj 456). Mixing fractions is ugly, too: ½ ⅓ ⅔ ¼ ¾ ⅛ ⅜ ⅝ ⅞. The ‘’ quotes are pretty, though. Those symbols are very nice, which tool have you used to insert them? I'm using Thunderbird for my emails but I've to enable "Compose message in HTML" to have a small subset of symbols, for me isn't enough. I'm using KDE desktop. Easy. I configured my CAPSLOCK key (which is useless IMO) With the CAPSLOCK key, I simply get a special switchblade style knife that I use as a letter opener, and use the point to remove that particular key, as I have found the key to be harmful. .... Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out
On 22/1/24 03:24, Bret Busby wrote: On 22/1/24 03:07, Bret Busby wrote: On 22/1/24 02:44, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 01:36:27PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource browser: chromium, which is based on chrome. But I was not talking about the chrome itself. AFAIK are these Google related parts removed in chromium; at least they were several years ago. I wonder if that's the case. AFAIK Chromium is distributed by Google, so it's just Chrome with the proprietary bits removed. I'd be surprised if Google was going through the trouble to remove the bits that are beneficial to them. I'd expect a de-Googlized version of Chrome/Chromium to be named differently (maybe Wolfram, as suggested by Bret) and distributed by some other team (one that cares more about Free Software and privacy than Google). Wolfram is taken. Perhaps Vanadium? Cheers No - Wolfram is in the same group as Chromium, but, whilst Vanadium is in the same period as Chromium, it is in Group 5, rather than Group 6, > in which, are Chromium (Cr), Molybdenum (Mo) (which sounds like the jeans that Molly was wearing :) ), Wolfram (W) (commonly known as Tungsten), and Seaborgium (Sg (but not Singapore :) ) (which makes it sound like one of the borgs (microsoft, google, etc) have hijacked a sealiner). - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table " How toxic is seaborgium? Currently, there are not very many uses of seaborgium. The element's radioactive state makes it toxic to organisms and so has no biological role. " (Maybe, microsoft or google have hijacked (made a hostile takeover of) a sealiner, to that they can conduct their operations offshore, to evade paying taxes (or employees) under any country's laws...) So, maybe, a good, alternative name, for an open source web browser like chrome/chromium, but, not controlled by the google borg, should probably, best and most simply, be named NotChroming... :) .... Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) . Here is an interesting thing... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ungoogled-chromium .... Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out
On 22/1/24 03:07, Bret Busby wrote: On 22/1/24 02:44, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 01:36:27PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource browser: chromium, which is based on chrome. But I was not talking about the chrome itself. AFAIK are these Google related parts removed in chromium; at least they were several years ago. I wonder if that's the case. AFAIK Chromium is distributed by Google, so it's just Chrome with the proprietary bits removed. I'd be surprised if Google was going through the trouble to remove the bits that are beneficial to them. I'd expect a de-Googlized version of Chrome/Chromium to be named differently (maybe Wolfram, as suggested by Bret) and distributed by some other team (one that cares more about Free Software and privacy than Google). Wolfram is taken. Perhaps Vanadium? Cheers No - Wolfram is in the same group as Chromium, but, whilst Vanadium is in the same period as Chromium, it is in Group 5, rather than Group 6, > in which, are Chromium (Cr), Molybdenum (Mo) (which sounds like the jeans that Molly was wearing :) ), Wolfram (W) (commonly known as Tungsten), and Seaborgium (Sg (but not Singapore :) ) (which makes it sound like one of the borgs (microsoft, google, etc) have hijacked a sealiner). - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table " How toxic is seaborgium? Currently, there are not very many uses of seaborgium. The element's radioactive state makes it toxic to organisms and so has no biological role. " (Maybe, microsoft or google have hijacked (made a hostile takeover of) a sealiner, to that they can conduct their operations offshore, to evade paying taxes (or employees) under any country's laws...) So, maybe, a good, alternative name, for an open source web browser like chrome/chromium, but, not controlled by the google borg, should probably, best and most simply, be named NotChroming... :) .... Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) ..... -- .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out
On 22/1/24 02:44, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 01:36:27PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource browser: chromium, which is based on chrome. But I was not talking about the chrome itself. AFAIK are these Google related parts removed in chromium; at least they were several years ago. I wonder if that's the case. AFAIK Chromium is distributed by Google, so it's just Chrome with the proprietary bits removed. I'd be surprised if Google was going through the trouble to remove the bits that are beneficial to them. I'd expect a de-Googlized version of Chrome/Chromium to be named differently (maybe Wolfram, as suggested by Bret) and distributed by some other team (one that cares more about Free Software and privacy than Google). Wolfram is taken. Perhaps Vanadium? Cheers No - Wolfram is in the same group as Chromium, but, whilst Vanadium is in the same period as Chromium, it is in Group 5, rather than Group 6, in which, are Chromium (Cr), Molybdenum (Mo) (which sounds like the jeans that Molly was wearing :) ), Wolfram (W) (commonly known as Tungsten), and Seaborgium (Sg (but not Singapore :) ) (which makes it sound like one of the borgs (microsoft, google, etc) have hijacked a sealiner). So, maybe, a good, alternative name, for an open source web browser like chrome/chromium, but, not controlled by the google borg, should probably, best and most simply, be named NotChroming... :) Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out
On 22/1/24 02:13, Bret Busby wrote: On 21/1/24 23:12, Klaus Singvogel wrote: Bret Busby wrote: On 21/1/24 18:36, Bret Busby wrote: On 21/1/24 18:16, Klaus Singvogel wrote: If the PDF is editable (has the option to fill out the blanks), I use often chromium. [...] My understanding of the nature of chromium, is that it retrieves all the data that is input to chromium, and onsells it. chroming is dangerous. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-18/chrome-incognito-mode-privacy-warning-change/103361328 Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource browser: chromium, which is based on chrome. But I was not talking about the chrome itself. AFAIK are these Google related parts removed in chromium; at least they were several years ago. Best regards, Ah. Then, perhaps, the open source derivative should have been named something else, for example, Wolfram, which is in the same group as chromium, to be not confused with chrome. I note that the name iceape is sufficiently different to seamonkey, and iceweasel sufficiently different to firefox, to not be confused with the original. Similarly with icecat and burningdog - " The name “IceCat” was coined to show our relationship to the Mozilla Firefox browser. Ice isn't Fire and a Cat isn't a Fox, so it is clearly a different package (we don't want Mozilla blamed for our mistakes, nor cause confusion with their trademarks), but is equally clearly intimately related (of course nearly all of the work comes from the Mozilla foundation effort, so we want to give credit). The gNewSense BurningDog browser and the Debian IceWeasel browser are similarly derived from Firefox, also with the intent of being free software. Technically, however, these projects are maintained entirely independently of IceCat. (Previously, this GNU browser project was also named IceWeasel, but that proved confusing.) " - https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ And, chroming is dangerous. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) . In looking into this a bit further, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_%28web_browser%29 is " Chromium is a free and open-source web browser project, primarily developed and maintained by Google.[8] This codebase provides the vast majority of code for the Google Chrome browser, which is proprietary software with additional features. The Chromium codebase is widely used. Microsoft Edge, Samsung Internet, Opera, and many other browsers are based on the Chromium code. Moreover, significant portions of the code are used by several app frameworks. " So, regarding "chromium, which is based on chrome" (in the message above) it appears to be the inverse, but, both still controlled by the google borg. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out
On 21/1/24 23:12, Klaus Singvogel wrote: Bret Busby wrote: On 21/1/24 18:36, Bret Busby wrote: On 21/1/24 18:16, Klaus Singvogel wrote: If the PDF is editable (has the option to fill out the blanks), I use often chromium. [...] My understanding of the nature of chromium, is that it retrieves all the data that is input to chromium, and onsells it. chroming is dangerous. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-18/chrome-incognito-mode-privacy-warning-change/103361328 Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource browser: chromium, which is based on chrome. But I was not talking about the chrome itself. AFAIK are these Google related parts removed in chromium; at least they were several years ago. Best regards, Ah. Then, perhaps, the open source derivative should have been named something else, for example, Wolfram, which is in the same group as chromium, to be not confused with chrome. I note that the name iceape is sufficiently different to seamonkey, and iceweasel sufficiently different to firefox, to not be confused with the original. Similarly with icecat and burningdog - " The name “IceCat” was coined to show our relationship to the Mozilla Firefox browser. Ice isn't Fire and a Cat isn't a Fox, so it is clearly a different package (we don't want Mozilla blamed for our mistakes, nor cause confusion with their trademarks), but is equally clearly intimately related (of course nearly all of the work comes from the Mozilla foundation effort, so we want to give credit). The gNewSense BurningDog browser and the Debian IceWeasel browser are similarly derived from Firefox, also with the intent of being free software. Technically, however, these projects are maintained entirely independently of IceCat. (Previously, this GNU browser project was also named IceWeasel, but that proved confusing.) " - https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ And, chroming is dangerous. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out
On 21/1/24 18:39, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 06:36:23PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: [...] My understanding of the nature of chromium, is that it retrieves all the data that is input to chromium, and onsells it. hear, hear. chroming is dangerous. May I steal that phrase? Cheers Yes of course. Open source is about sharing. :) Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out
On 21/1/24 18:36, Bret Busby wrote: On 21/1/24 18:16, Klaus Singvogel wrote: gene heskett wrote: I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter PDF with fill in the blanks for all the info. If the PDF is editable (has the option to fill out the blanks), I use often chromium. Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf? I bought Master PDF Editor, but even the commercial Qoppa looks quiet interesting. My experience is, I can use MasterPDF Editor on two machines (i.e. Desktop and Laptop), which is a requirement for me. Some times I need to reinstall the Debian Packages again, because it "forgets" its license or has issues with Qt5 - so I kept the original Debian Packages, as I didn't want to buy it again. I'm using Master PDF Editor on Debian now over various Debian versions, and over various machines since several years. Not renewing the lincese means only that I'm kept away from the latest features, but not from the original progam. Best regards, Klaus. My understanding of the nature of chromium, is that it retrieves all the data that is input to chromium, and onsells it. chroming is dangerous. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) . https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-18/chrome-incognito-mode-privacy-warning-change/103361328 Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out
On 21/1/24 18:16, Klaus Singvogel wrote: gene heskett wrote: I'm trying to get our states Attorney General to exert some influence over a cell phone bill I don't owe. The AG has sent me a form letter PDF with fill in the blanks for all the info. If the PDF is editable (has the option to fill out the blanks), I use often chromium. Do we have an editor in our arsenal that can do that to a pdf? I bought Master PDF Editor, but even the commercial Qoppa looks quiet interesting. My experience is, I can use MasterPDF Editor on two machines (i.e. Desktop and Laptop), which is a requirement for me. Some times I need to reinstall the Debian Packages again, because it "forgets" its license or has issues with Qt5 - so I kept the original Debian Packages, as I didn't want to buy it again. I'm using Master PDF Editor on Debian now over various Debian versions, and over various machines since several years. Not renewing the lincese means only that I'm kept away from the latest features, but not from the original progam. Best regards, Klaus. My understanding of the nature of chromium, is that it retrieves all the data that is input to chromium, and onsells it. chroming is dangerous. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: VAX emulation/simulation (was Re: systemd-timesyncd)
On 9/1/24 16:02, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: The idea that we need version numbers embedded in filenames involuntarily may be "natural" to somebody. I have never seen any version other than ";1" (and ISOs which simply ignore the specs about file names). It's a non-functional relic, which in Linux can only be uncovered if you suppress Rock Ridge, Joliet, and name mapping during the mount command. And I've been an IBM mainframe admin and developer too. Whilst, as I previously made the point, this is all off-topic for a Debian operating system users mailing list, one (and, only one) of the applications of version numbers as part of file descriptors, with (in the case of VAX/VMS) up to the last seven versions of a file, being retained, was a useful tool for software developers, but, responsible software development, and, especially, the teaching of responsible software development, have been abandoned, over the last decades. And, that, in itself, is a good example where reverting to a previous version, would be good. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: VAX emulation/simulation (was Re: systemd-timesyncd)
On 8/1/24 08:44, The Wanderer wrote: On 2024-01-07 at 19:20, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: On Sun, Jan 7, 2024, 4:51 PM Charles Curley wrote: On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 20:36:12 + "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: Gene - no partisan opinions, please, as per Code of Conduct? Oh, come on! Just because Gene doesn't like certain ancient Digital Equipment products…? Come on There has to be a linux-based VAX simulator somewhere out there for Gene :-D So he can practice getting VAXed... :-D said the man who used to use LSI-11's :-D $ apt-cache show simh Package: simh [...] Description-en: Emulators for 33 different computers This is the SIMH set of emulators for 33 different computers: [...] DEC VAX (but cannot include the microcode due to copyright) No idea whether it'd be enough, but if anyone does actually want to pursue the idea, it might be worth looking at. If anyone really wants to run VAX/VMS, or, another version of VMS, then you should read the article at https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/03/linux_may_soon_lose_support/ which has applicable links. But, apart from the functionality that I have not seen in any other operating system, of using an extra file descriptor of version number, so the whole filename would be something like .; (I am not sure whether that syntax is correct - I have not used VAX/VMS, for about 35-40 years) retaining (from memory) up to the last seven versions of a file, really, why bother? In these times (and, even back then, when UNIX system V was the main UNIX system that was commercially used, and, even when BSD 4.2 was the main UNIX version), a decent systems level "C" programmer should be able to write a utility to do it. When I was being taught VAX-FORTRAN (which, from memory, was enhanced FORTRAN-77, the last FORTRAN before FORTRAN-90, with FORTRAN-90 introducing pointers to FORTRAN) and "C", and I remarked that VAX-FORTRAN had 8-byte precision, that "C" did not, the "C" lecturer simply said that a "C" programmer could create the data type, and write the maths libraries, to deal with it. So, running VAX/VMS, or a version of the VMS operating system, is a bit like running XENIX or MINIX, or, like a friend of that time, who had an operational PDP on his flat (apartment) balcony, that he had obtained an kept for playing with octal programming. It would, I expect6, be done for no other reason, than the sake of doing it. But, all of that, and, the subject and thread of this message thread, are completely off-topic, for a Debian operating system mailing list, I think. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: The current package wpasupplicant doesn't support WPA3-Personal authentication. What alternatives to it exist?
On 4/1/24 07:20, Stella Ashburne wrote: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2024 at 7:14 AM From: "Pocket" To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: The current package wpasupplicant doesn't support WPA3-Personal authentication. What alternatives to it exist? Are you comparing the same package/version arch to debian? The debian one may not be the latest and the arch is almost always the latest. I totally agree with you on this point. He quoted ArchLinux's version of wpasupplicant when I am using Debian's version. He's like comparing apples to oranges. And, if you had bothered to make the effort to search, using the terms debian package wpasupplicant bookworm the first result is "Debian -- Details of package wpasupplicant in bookworm packages.debian.org › bookworm › wpasupplicant wpa-supplicant is a userspace daemon handling connection and authentication in wireless and wired networks, primarily secured with the WPA/WPA2/WPA3 protocols. " but, as you insist on whining, rather than making an effort, then, you will never be satisfied until you have caused sufficient (for you) gratuitous irritation... Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: The current package wpasupplicant doesn't support WPA3-Personal authentication. What alternatives to it exist?
On 4/1/24 07:11, Stella Ashburne wrote: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2024 at 6:57 AM From: "Bret Busby" To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: The current package wpasupplicant doesn't support WPA3-Personal authentication. What alternatives to it exist? I do not know whether you have heard of the search engine named google, but, from doing a search of the World Wide Web, using google, the following are some of the first results displayed. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/wpa_supplicant - "wpa_supplicant is a cross-platform supplicant with support for WPA, WPA2 and WPA3 (IEEE 802.11i). It is suitable for desktops, laptops and embedded systems. It is the IEEE 802.1X/WPA component that is used in the client stations. It implements key negotiation with a WPA authenticator and it controls the roaming and IEEE 802.11 authentication/association of the wireless driver." As stated in my original post, I am using Debian, not ArchLinux. So your quote from ArchLinux's wiki is irrevelant to Debian's version of wpasupplicant. It is unfortunate that you refused to read the Debian package description to which you were referred. -- Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: The current package wpasupplicant doesn't support WPA3-Personal authentication. What alternatives to it exist?
On 4/1/24 07:04, Stella Ashburne wrote: Hi Tomas Thanks for your reply. Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2024 at 6:18 AM From: to...@tuxteam.de To: "Stella Ashburne" Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: The current package wpasupplicant doesn't support WPA3-Personal authentication. What alternatives to it exist? This one? https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/wpasupplicant The main heading of that web page is Package: wpasupplicant (2:2.10-12) Immediately below it is the sub-heading that states client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i) I fail to see WPA3 mentioned therein. Best regards. Stella Then "fail" seems to be the appropriate word. From the text that I quoted from that web page, "wpa-supplicant is a userspace daemon handling connection and authentication in wireless and wired networks, primarily secured with the WPA/WPA2/WPA3 protocols" If all else fails, read the words in front of you. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: The current package wpasupplicant doesn't support WPA3-Personal authentication. What alternatives to it exist?
On 4/1/24 06:18, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Jan 03, 2024 at 10:40:33PM +0100, Stella Ashburne wrote: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2024 at 5:16 AM From: "Anssi Saari" To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: The current package wpasupplicant doesn't support WPA3-Personal authentication. What alternatives to it exist? Are you sure? WPA3-Personal is hardly new so Bookworm should have the support. Even the package description says that. Could you provide me the URL to the package description please? This one? https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/wpasupplicant Cheers And, from the link that Tomas posted; " -- Package: wpasupplicant (2:2.10-12) Links for wpasupplicant Screenshot Debian Resources: Bug Reports Developer Information Debian Changelog Copyright File Debian Patch Tracker Download Source Package wpa: [wpa_2.10-12.dsc] [wpa_2.10.orig.tar.xz] [wpa_2.10-12.debian.tar.xz] Maintainers: Debian wpasupplicant Maintainers (QA Page) Andrej Shadura (QA Page) External Resources: Homepage [w1.fi] Similar packages: wpasupplicant-udeb libwpa-client-dev hostapd wicd-daemon wicd-cli wicd-curses wicd-gtk python3-wicd python-wicd client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i) wpa-supplicant is a userspace daemon handling connection and authentication in wireless and wired networks, primarily secured with the WPA/WPA2/WPA3 protocols. " Which can no doubt be found via https://www.google.com/search?q=debiaqn+package+wpasupplicant=utf-8=utf-8 Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: The current package wpasupplicant doesn't support WPA3-Personal authentication. What alternatives to it exist?
On 4/1/24 05:40, Stella Ashburne wrote:
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2024 at 5:16 AM
From: "Anssi Saari"
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: The current package wpasupplicant doesn't support WPA3-Personal
authentication. What alternatives to it exist?
Are you sure? WPA3-Personal is hardly new so Bookworm should have the
support. Even the package description says that.
Could you provide me the URL to the package description please?
Thanks.
Stella
I do not know whether you have heard of the search engine named google,
but, from doing a search of the World Wide Web, using google, the
following are some of the first results displayed.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/wpa_supplicant
- "wpa_supplicant is a cross-platform supplicant with support for WPA,
WPA2 and WPA3 (IEEE 802.11i). It is suitable for desktops, laptops and
embedded systems. It is the IEEE 802.1X/WPA component that is used in
the client stations. It implements key negotiation with a WPA
authenticator and it controls the roaming and IEEE 802.11
authentication/association of the wireless driver."
https://w1.fi/wpa_supplicant/
- "Linux WPA/WPA2/WPA3/IEEE 802.1X Supplicant
wpa_supplicant is a WPA Supplicant for Linux, BSD, Mac OS X, and Windows
with support for WPA, WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i / RSN), and WPA3. It is
suitable for both desktop/laptop computers and embedded systems.
Supplicant is the IEEE 802.1X/WPA component that is used in the client
stations. It implements key negotiation with a WPA Authenticator and it
controls the roaming and IEEE 802.11 authentication/association of the
wlan driver.
wpa_supplicant is designed to be a "daemon" program that runs in the
background and acts as the backend component controlling the wireless
connection. wpa_supplicant supports separate frontend programs and a
text-based frontend (wpa_cli) and a GUI (wpa_gui) are included with
wpa_supplicant."
and, of course, ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wpa_supplicant
- "wpa_supplicant is a free software implementation of an IEEE 802.11i
supplicant for Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, QNX, AROS, Microsoft Windows,
Solaris, OS/2 (including ArcaOS and eComStation)[2] and Haiku.[3] In
addition to being a WPA3 and WPA2 supplicant, it also implements WPA and
older wireless LAN security protocols.
Features
Features include:[4]
WPA-PSK and WPA2-PSK ("WPA-Personal", pre-shared key)
WPA3[5]
WPA with EAP ("WPA-Enterprise", for example with RADIUS
authentication server)
RSN: PMKSA caching, pre-authentication
IEEE 802.11r
IEEE 802.11w
Wi-Fi Protected Setup (WPS)
Included with the supplicant are a GUI and a command-line utility for
interacting with the running supplicant. From either of these interfaces
it is possible to review a list of currently visible networks, select
one of them, provide any additional security information needed to
authenticate with the network (for example, a passphrase, or username
and password) and add it to the preference list to enable automatic
reconnection in the future."
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.
Re: Zoom on Bookworm?
On 19/12/23 18:28, Bret Busby wrote: On 19/12/23 17:53, John Conover wrote: Does the Zoom client work on Bookworm with pipewire? Thanks, John Are you aware of Zoom using video calls for spying on, and, collecting personal information from, users, causing "The Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is calling on free and open source software (FOSS) contributors to stop using Zoom video conferencing" "Back in March, Zoom quietly changed its fine print to include a clause in section 10.4 that assigned the video-chat biz perpetual, royalty-free rights to use "customer content" " ? ... Recommendation had been made, for people to switch to jitsi. " "Throughout the pandemic and its widespread Zoom adoption, we warned that relying on proprietary, for-profit controlled technology as essential infrastructure is dangerous," the organization wrote on Tuesday. "Last week, Zoom demonstrated exactly why everyone must stop using their services without any further delay." " - Same report... Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: Zoom on Bookworm?
On 19/12/23 17:53, John Conover wrote: Does the Zoom client work on Bookworm with pipewire? Thanks, John Are you aware of Zoom using video calls for spying on, and, collecting personal information from, users, causing "The Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is calling on free and open source software (FOSS) contributors to stop using Zoom video conferencing" "Back in March, Zoom quietly changed its fine print to include a clause in section 10.4 that assigned the video-chat biz perpetual, royalty-free rights to use "customer content" " ? ... Recommendation had been made, for people to switch to jitsi. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) can't show mp4
On 2/12/23 17:06, Phil Wyett wrote: On Sat, 2023-12-02 at 00:48 -0800, Van Snyder wrote: On Sat, 2023-12-02 at 07:00 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On 2/12/23 06:10, Van Snyder wrote: When I try to view a mp4 video in Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) on Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster), it puts up a sad-face window saying "No video with supported format and MIME type found." It doesn't offer to download the file, or play it with an external application. ffmpeg is installed and up-to-date. Can it be made to work? Perhaps, if you specified the URL of the file, it might be a step on the way t6o describing the problem... http://vandyke.mynetgear.com/AuraMLS_SH2009.mp4 The same video is available as avi, and that works fine with Firefox by launching an external viewer such as vlc or dragon. I would expect Firefox to offer to download the file or choose a viewer instead of the sad-face window. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) . Hi, The problem here seems to stem from the video being 'Simple Profile' for MP4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_2 Some further testing maybe in order and an issue submitting if this is widespread. Regards Phil Please do not send separate copies of replies to everyone who has posted in a thread. Use Reply To List, if your email application provides that option, or, if you use Reply To All and that includes multiple email addresses in the To field, delete all email addresses from the To field, apart from the list email address. Why annoy people through multiple reply copies, and, waste bandwidth of your victims? Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) can't show mp4
On 2/12/23 16:48, Van Snyder wrote: On Sat, 2023-12-02 at 07:00 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On 2/12/23 06:10, Van Snyder wrote: When I try to view a mp4 video in Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) on Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster), it puts up a sad-face window saying "No video with supported format and MIME type found." It doesn't offer to download the file, or play it with an external application. ffmpeg is installed and up-to-date. Can it be made to work? Perhaps, if you specified the URL of the file, it might be a step on the way t6o describing the problem... http://vandyke.mynetgear.com/AuraMLS_SH2009.mp4 The same video is available as avi, and that works fine with Firefox by launching an external viewer such as vlc or dragon. I would expect Firefox to offer to download the file or choose a viewer instead of the sad-face window. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) . 1. I believe that it is wrong to post the whole of a reply as you have, immediate before the signature of the person to whose message, you are replying, as it makes it too easy for people to misconstrue, for example, in the above case, that what you posted, was posted by me. 2. "I would expect Firefox to offer to download the file or choose a viewer" - I believe that you can configure Firefox to apply a third party application, such as a viewer of video files, for dealing with particular file types/extensions. 3. "I would expect Firefox to offer to download the file or choose a viewer" - why do you not simply download and install one or some of the video downloader add-ons that are available for Firefox? 4. If you do not know how to do either 2 or 3, I suggest that you subscribe to, and, post a query to, https://groups.io/g/firefox-support Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) can't show mp4
On 2/12/23 06:10, Van Snyder wrote: When I try to view a mp4 video in Firefox 115.5.0esr(64-bit) on Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster), it puts up a sad-face window saying "No video with supported format and MIME type found." It doesn't offer to download the file, or play it with an external application. ffmpeg is installed and up-to-date. Can it be made to work? Perhaps, if you specified the URL of the file, it might be a step on the way t6o describing the problem... Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: OT: any South Korean users out there?
On 17/11/23 00:40, Greg wrote:
On 11/16/23 17:23, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
Hi Everyone,
Please forgive the off-topic question. I want to connect with someone
from South Korea. I want to understand how competition helps drive
down the cost of internet service.
I understand South Korea has at least 6 Internet Service Providers in
some areas. South Koreans enjoy gigabit download speeds at a fraction
of the cost to their US counterparts. They can download a 4 GB dvd or
iso in under 2 seconds, and pay the equivalent to about $25/month for
the service. Or those were the numbers I saw several years ago. (The
US is a mess because of a US Supreme Court ruling where the idiots in
black robes decided 2 companies were enough for competition. It has
ruined competition in every vertical I am aware of).
Poland, Warsaw, 1Gbps download, 65PLN/month = 16USD.
Regards
Greg
(Suburb of) Perth, state capital, Western Australia 10B/s - 6MB/s - via
4G cellphone network (we can only just get 4G here - about 25% signal
strength, when it works). Sometimes, the cellphone network simply
disappears (but, then, this IS australia, where telecommunications
networks disappear, for the whole country, for ten or more hours at a
time ("We have a slight technical problem, and, we have no idea of the
cause, but, it is definitely nothing to do with our firing a significant
part of our workforce") ).
The australian feral parliament imposed a monopoly fibre to (somewhere
along the road, away from residences, if you can find the hidden nodes)
cable network, named the NBN, which, by experience, means No Bl***y Network.
Oh, and, the terms and conditions of ALL of the telecommunications
networks in Australia, including the No B***y Network, explicitly state
that each network is NOT to be used for emergency calls. "Go figure."
About fifty years ago, a famous person named Fred Dagg, had a popular
song; "You don't know how lucky you are" - no doubt, reference to it,
including its lyrics, can be found using the spy company search engine
that tracks all of your Internet activity (and sends surveillance vans
to record videos through bedroom windows) - google.
That song applies to the USA with its reported Internet access (I
understand that the USA has Gbps Internet data transmission speeds) - in
australia, having reliable telephone communications, let alone
consistent Internet data transmission speeds above 100Bps, is just
wishful thinking.
australia, in terms of telecommunications capability, is still pretty
much at the tin cans connected by fencing wire stage.
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.
Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books
On 12/11/23 18:07, Marco Moock wrote: Am 12.11.2023 um 17:56:46 Uhr schrieb Bret Busby: I still have my "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible" and other relevant Linux printed texts. But how relevant is it still? Many things changed and especially for beginners those books are useless today because they don't know what information is still applicable to current versions. If you had bothered to read the rest of my post, you would have better understood the context of that to which you have responded in blind haste... Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books
On 12/11/23 14:35, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: All, I have been looking for commercial books written about Debian and there is very little selection. I still have my "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible" and other relevant Linux printed texts. :) I agree with the reference to a wiki instead (providing sufficient volunteers keep it sufficiently updated) - a problem with print books about software, including OS's, in addition to the need for ongoing updates, and, errata documents, is that people always find information that should have been included, and, wasn't, and, adding missing information to a dynamic, collaborative publication, such as a wiki, is better and easier, than print book revisions and subsequent editions. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
Re: How can I get verbose shutdown from the GUI (Mate)?
On 3/10/23 17:14, Ottavio Caruso wrote: Hi, if open a terminal window and type: $ sudo systemctl poweroff I can see what is going on and sometimes it takes almost a minute to power the laptop off. If I press CTRL+ALT+DELETE from the GUI (Mate), the screen goes completely blank and I have no idea if the laptop is completely off or just thinking about it. Is there a way to force verbosity during shutdown without opening a terminal window or creating a keyboard shortcut? Thanks It is not the answer to your question, but, it may be the answer that you seek; "the screen goes completely blank and I have no idea if the laptop is completely off or just thinking about it." Does your laptop not have, either in the power switch, or, elsewhere, an LED, that is lit when the computer is powered on, and, is dark when the computer is powered off? I note that you do not specify the model of laptop that you have, but, on the two laptops that I currently have running - an HP laptop and an Acer Aspire V3-772G, the power switch incorporates an LED that acts as I have described. Also, on the Acre, at the front of the base, is a set of three LED's that clearly show whether the computer is powered on. In Mate 1.26.0, I have a functionality to add functions to the panel, including "Shut down the computer", which has an icon like an electric light switch, that I sometimes use. Also, why do you not use, instead of the command that you specified, shutdown -h or, (if instead, wanted, for example, after doing a kernel update) shutdown -r ? .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Please verify Gnome and KDE wiki articles for correctness
On 26/8/23 04:22, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 01:17:25PM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote: I'm a Mate user, and I never thought to read https://wiki.debian.org/MATE until now. I see no flaws but there are several things that should be updated since it's last edit on December 24,2019 Who does that? You do. That's what a wiki is. :) .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On 19/8/23 21:49, Peter Ehlert wrote: Claws mail has an official users mailing list, which, I believe, is hosted and administered by the application developer, who also answers queries on the list. Thunderbird email has no official users mailing list, but has two unofficial users mailing lists, hosted on groups.io, with a different priority for each mailing list, and, each of those lists, is run by volunteers, with no support on those lists, from Thunderbird or its developers. Thunderbird developers, and, the Thunderbird organisation, have yet to adapt to using email (it is a bit like the oxymoron "military intelligence", as referenced by the character played by Danny de Vito in the movie of that name - Thunderbird developers and the Thunderbird organisation, have so little regard for email, that they do not provide official users mailing lists, for announcements, providing support, etc - some of the operating systems, on which email applications run, such as Debian, and Ubuntu, are far more adept at using email - the Thunderbird organisation, has yet to come to terms with the use of email). I find the lack of a mailing list rather ironic. I think that is rather a euphemistic way of putting it... :) It is a bit like "What operating system do you use at home?" MS Windows developers: "Linux, of course. Windows? You've got to be joking!" .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On 16/8/23 03:48, Russell L. Harris wrote: Consider evolution. I think evolution is one of the gnome applications, where the gnomes shut down all of the users' mailing lists - thence, instability. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail
On 16/8/23 00:43, Peter Ehlert wrote: I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI has been slowly been changed. lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My Way. Minor success. also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy backups. In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few filters and rearrange my copious folders. Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail? the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I know little of the history and stability. secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters? thanks in advance. I use both email applications, separately for different email accounts. I use claws mail for a minor email account, in which I may get one or two (or, if spammed, more) messages, each month. I use Thunderbird for my primary email account, which can get many (a hundred, or, hundreds, depending on what is happening)messages, each day. My use of Thunderbird, is basically as a webmail kind of application, over which, I have more control, than over something like horde or roundcube (that has been imposed to replace horde). At the end of each month (or, more frequently, depending on the number of messages left after preliminary sifting out of chaff), I download my incoming email, using the most powerful email application that I have encountered, alpine, that was evolved from pine. All my download email filtering, is done using alpine, with hundreds of filters, each with up to a couple of hundred different field values. I have several hundred or more, folders, for storing my downloaded messages, with some folders being archived on a monthly basis, depending on the usual volume of messages in each folder. My mail folder (the mail messages folder for alpine), is somewhere around 20GB, and contains messages up to about 20 years old. Claws mail has an official users mailing list, which, I believe, is hosted and administered by the application developer, who also answers queries on the list. Thunderbird email has no official users mailing list, but has two unofficial users mailing lists, hosted on groups.io, with a different priority for each mailing list, and, each of those lists, is run by volunteers, with no support on those lists, from Thunderbird or its developers. Thunderbird developers, and, the Thunderbird organisation, have yet to adapt to using email (it is a bit like the oxymoron "military intelligence", as referenced by the character played by Danny de Vito in the movie of that name - Thunderbird developers and the Thunderbird organisation, have so little regard for email, that they do not provide official users mailing lists, for announcements, providing support, etc - some of the operating systems, on which email applications run, such as Debian, and Ubuntu, are far more adept at using email - the Thunderbird organisation, has yet to come to terms with the use of email). Oh, and, alpine has an official mailing list, involving the developer of alpine, who also provides answers to queries (and, considers development suggestions) made on that list. So, the Thunderbird organisation is a bit backward... .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio
On 14/8/23 03:36, davidson wrote: On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 12:12:49AM +, davidson wrote: The foregoing demonstration is meant to show how, using alpine's threaded mode, I minimise my irritation with threads that I find irrelevant to my interests Unfortunately no matter how advanced your MUA is, it doesn't help against prolific posters who derail nearly every thread with copious amounts of irrelevance and outright false information. This is a higher bar than merely neutralising the disruption (to one's own use of the list) caused by a popular thread that one has little interest in. And here, my instincts are screaming "Leave it here. Stop now. Leave well enough alone for the sake of all that is holy!" However, and speaking only for myself, I'll bite: Being able to see a thread's messages structured as a tree of message headers (author, subject) can indeed help me infer quite a bit about what's going on, before I bother to dig in and actually read any of the messages' content. For example, let P and Q be two regularly prolific participants, P with exceptionally high signal-to-noise contributions, and Q a hot willfully clueless mess. If there is a branch of the tree that is just a chain of back-and-forth between P and Q --Q.P.Q.P.Q...-- then I know what's going on in there and so some OTHER branch will be my first destination, unless I'm in the mood for a laugh. You can easily see from looking at most of the large threads here, the points at which they go off the rails and the common factors involved there. I can indeed. Without seeing the tree structure, I do not think it would be so easy to see. It is a difficult problem to solve as mailing lists like this tend to promote a volume-wins approach, You may be correct, but this isn't clear to me. (Unless the object of the game is to annoy the greatest number of participants.) and the baseline user will not have an advanced MUA nor necessarily the experience to know that they're reading nonsense. When I conquer the world, you will know because /etc/motd will contain something like this: Don't enter commands you don't understand, and you won't understand the commands unless you read the manual. If you read the manual, you STILL may not understand the commands. Nevertheless, keep trying, Curious Human. We are rooting for you! Things get easier when you use an advanced MUA, so people should invest the time to do so, but let's not pretend that this will avoid a mega-thread next time some outlandish thread hijack by one of the usual suspects happens. My point was simply this: threads I've lost interest in (regardless of size) are a single line in my mailbox, provided I do not delete its initial message. Does this particular thread go much better if you assume that everyone participating (except the OP, who doesn't know how to unsubscribe, or how to spell it) is fully competent at efficiently managing email but still posts as they posted? Funnily enough, if you look carefully, you can see some utterly slapstick confusion of that very nature in this thread, over who is to blame for posting a red-herring link to the Alpine Linux distro mailing list: %<-- 18159 Thursday glenn green (6K) . UNUBSCRIBE ... ...... ...... [1] 18192 Yesterday fjd (7K) . | \-Alpine was [2] 18193 Yesterday Bret Busby(8K) . | |-Re: Alpi [6] 18194 5:55 fjd (7K) | | |-Re: Al [7] 18195 6:11 fjd (8K) | | \-Re: Al [3] 18196 Yesterday Jeffrey Walton(7K) . | \-Re: Alpi [4] 18197 Yesterday Greg Wooledge (5K) . | \-Re: Al [5] 18198 2:41 Bret Busby(9K) . | \-Re: 18199 Yesterday David Wright (6K) | \-Re -->% Somebody requests a link to an alpine MUA forum or mailing list. [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/08/msg00333.html Somebody posts a link to an alpine MUA mailing list. [2] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/08/msg00341.html Somebody else posts a red-herring link, to a mailing list concerning the linux distro called Alpine Linux. [3] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/08/msg00355.html Then Greg points out, in reply to the red-herring poster, that they have posted a red herring. <-- Here is where the tree structure view is illuminating. [4] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/08/msg00356.html And then the person who had posted the CORRECT link in the first place apologises for posting the wrong one, and posts the very same corr
Sorting messages by threads - was - Re: List administrators - request for intervention
On 13/8/23 08:12, davidson wrote: On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 Bret Busby wrote: [snip] Hello. Could the List administrators please shut down both this thread and the "unubscribe" thread? In alpine, I have a filter rule that moves all debian-user messages from my inbox to a dedicated folder. Here is a sample of what I see in alpine, when I view the contents of that mail folder, in threaded mode with threads collapsed: %<-- 18284 9:42 Hans (7K) Re: libkscreenlocker5: N 18285 Yesterday pe...@easthope.ca (6K) > Crosshairs in gimp 2.1 N 18288 15:45 Erwan David (8K) > Swap size in debain 12 18292 12:35 Greg Wooledge (7K) Re: Mailing list unsub * N 18293 Wednesday Carl Fink (6K) > Sound loses my analog * 18298 Thursday glenn green (6K) > UNUBSCRIBE N 18332 11:44 Piscium (7K) > Cannot install Debian N 18339 13:45 pe...@easthope.ca (6K) > Time stamps on session * 18342 14:49 gene heskett (6K) > setting up network wit -->% All 34 messages (at this time) to the UNUBSCRIBE thread are collapsed; only the OP's initial message is visible. As long as I retain the thread-initial message, subsequent contributions to that thread will be invisible, in this collapsed view. If a thread interests me, say Carl Fink's, I can expand it: %<-- 18284 9:42 Hans (7K) Re: libkscreenlocker5: N 18285 Yesterday pe...@easthope.ca (6K) > Crosshairs in gimp 2.1 N 18288 15:45 Erwan David (8K) > Swap size in debain 12 18292 12:35 Greg Wooledge (7K) Re: Mailing list unsub * 18293 Wednesday Carl Fink (6K) . Sound loses my analog * 18294 Thursday Marco (5K) . \-Re: Sound loses my a 18295 Yesterday Carl Fink (30K) . \-Re: Sound loses my 18296 5:05 Marco (5K) . \-Re: Sound loses N 18297 14:49 Carl Fink (6K) \-Re: Sound lose * 18298 Thursday glenn green (6K) > UNUBSCRIBE N 18332 11:44 Piscium (7K) > Cannot install Debian N 18339 13:45 pe...@easthope.ca (6K) > Time stamps on session * 18342 14:49 gene heskett (6K) > setting up network wit -->% But if a thread does *not* interest me, I don't expand it, and then the only visible effect of subsequent contributions to that thread is to promote the thread down the list (since threads nearer the bottom are more recently active). [snip] So, please, shut the two threads down, so the mailing list can return to the subject matter for which the list was created and is maintained; discussion of the use of Debian, and, seeking help with the operating system, and, not the extraneous (extreme euphemism) "stuff", that has arisen, like a living, growing, cesspool. The foregoing demonstration is meant to show how, using alpine's threaded mode, I minimise my irritation with threads that I find irrelevant to my interests: I view debian-user in threaded mode with collapsed threads, and simply do not expand the ones that don't concern me. I believe these are the config settings I use to enable this: ... [X] Thread Sorts by Arrival ... Sort Key = Set Sort Options --- -- ( ) Subject ( ) Arrival ( ) From ( ) To ( ) Cc ( ) Date ( ) siZe ( ) OrderedSubj ( ) scorE (*) tHread ( ) Reverse Subject ( ) Reverse Arrival ( ) Reverse From ( ) Reverse To ( ) Reverse Cc ( ) Reverse Date ( ) Reverse siZe ( ) Reverse OrderedSubj ( ) Reverse scorE ( ) Reverse tHread ... Threading Display Style = Set Rule Values --- -- ( ) none (*) show-thread-structure (default) ( ) mutt-like ( ) indent-subject-1 ( ) indent-subject-2 ( ) indent-from-1 ( ) indent-from-2 ( ) show-structure-in-from ...
Re: Alpine was: UNUBSCRIBE
On 12/8/23 23:06, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 10:49:19AM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 11:08 PM fjd wrote: On Sat, 12 Aug 2023, Bret Busby wrote: I am an alpine user (and pine before alpine), and I did not know of this functionality. me too; me neither. Do you or anyone else know of a list or online forum where one can discuss Alpine? https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux:Mailing_lists I believe the question was about Alpine the mail user agent, not Alpine Linux the operating system. My apology - I failed to see the reference to alpine linux, and, due to scurrilous actions, the first result in searching, using duckduckgo, on the combination of alpine email application mailing list is the URL for the disreputable operating system above. I have used alpine, and, before alpine, its predecessor, pine, for about 30 years. I know nothing of alpine linux. It is unfortunate and shameful, that the name of the alpine email application,has been used for something completely different. It is like someone using the name Debianporn. The correct URL for the alpine email application mailing list, is https://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: UNUBSCRIBE
On 12/8/23 16:06, Ottavio Caruso wrote: Am 11/08/2023 um 18:03 schrieb Bret Busby: On 11/8/23 23:46, Ottavio Caruso wrote: Am 11/08/2023 um 14:26 schrieb Greg Wooledge: On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 01:52:53PM +, davidson wrote: I guess this means that any of us could have bounced^[1] the OP's mail straight to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org Except then the user would not learn how to unsubscribe correctly, and someone would have to keep doing it for them every time this comes up in the future. UNUBSCRIBE Eh wot? Am you wont to unubscribe tu? Yes. Then follow the clearly stated instructions that have already been posted. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Alpine was: UNUBSCRIBE
On 12/8/23 10:13, fjd wrote: On Sat, 12 Aug 2023, Bret Busby wrote: I am an alpine user (and pine before alpine), and I did not know of this functionality. me too; me neither. Do you or anyone else know of a list or online forum where one can discuss Alpine? Felmon http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio
On 12/8/23 08:08, zithro wrote:
On 11 Aug 2023 23:39, gene heskett wrote:
No its not Tomas, everytime ff issues an update, I have to go thru all
the bs of proving I am me to my bank, and its been that way for at
least a decade.
With all due respect, can you stop spreading misinformation to this list ?
Not only this has nothing to do with unsubscribing to the ML, but it
just shows that you don't get what you're talking about.
Are you really an engineer ?!
This extends to : DONT FOLLOW TUTORIALS THAT WONT EXPLAIN THE **WHY**
Also, I admire dedicated people on this ML ...
It's only 3 months I'm following it regularly, to learn things about
Debian.
What did I learn ? Random people SUCK. Big time.
But I guess it's the XXI century plague.
People using other people's time to spare their own.
Sorry for the noise, if you get that oxymoron ;)
Hello.
Could the List administrators please shut down both this thread and the
"unubscribe" thread?
I believe that sufficient has been said, and, enough faecal matter has
been spread (and, I am not referring to the poster above, in that), and,
explicit instructions for how to unsubscribe, have been posted, and, if
some subscribers need to be told how to input the name of this mailing
list ("If you look at that black rectangle in front of you, with those
white markings on it, that is named a keyboard. On that thing, if you
look along the rows of the markings, you should be able to see one
marking, that looks a bit like a half circle on the right hand side,
and, it has a straight line running up the left had side of that half
circle. that marking is named a 'D'. If you press that, you should be
able to see the 'd' character on you computer screen. Can you see that?
Very good. Now, the next marking to look for, is for an "E". That is
the next character in the name of the mailing list"), then, perhaps,
they need help, that is more than how to unsubscribe from the mailing
list, and, both threads have been made to descend into the ridiculous,
and, have started invoking ill-will, that helps no-one.
So, please, shut the two threads down, so the mailing list can return to
the subject matter for which the list was created and is maintained;
discussion of the use of Debian, and, seeking help with the operating
system, and, not the extraneous (extreme euphemism) "stuff", that has
arisen, like a living, growing, cesspool.
Thank you in anticipation
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..
Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio
On 12/8/23 06:45, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 05:39:28PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 8/11/23 14:25, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:59:14AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: [...] The recommended procedure usually works, unless the user is now using a different browser or has installed a new version of the OS. Sorry, Gene, this is plain wrong. The way it works is this: No its not Tomas, everytime ff issues an update, I have to go thru all the bs of proving I am me to my bank, and its been that way for at least a decade. The fact that I have a nearly 30 character pw it would take eons to guess, doesn't mean a thing to them. Your bank's authentication policy has NOTHING AT ALL to do with unsubscribing from a mailing list. And, I fail to see how a web browser version or operating system version influences the response to a subscriber doing as instructed; " To subscribe to or unsubscribe from a mailing list, please send mail to -requ...@lists.debian.org with the word subscribe or unsubscribe as subject. " I say again - "If all else fails, follow the instructions.". Simple. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: UNUBSCRIBE
On 11/8/23 23:46, Ottavio Caruso wrote: Am 11/08/2023 um 14:26 schrieb Greg Wooledge: On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 01:52:53PM +, davidson wrote: I guess this means that any of us could have bounced^[1] the OP's mail straight to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org Except then the user would not learn how to unsubscribe correctly, and someone would have to keep doing it for them every time this comes up in the future. UNUBSCRIBE Eh wot? Am you wont to unubscribe tu? .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: UNUBSCRIBE
On 11/8/23 21:52, davidson wrote: On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 Bret Busby wrote: On 11/8/23 14:49, Luna Jernberg wrote: Or one could unsubscribe using the web interface here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ "If all else fails, follow the instructions" https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subunsub " Subscription / Unsubscription Anyone is able to subscribe/unsubscribe on their own to any mailing list, presuming the subscription policy for a particular list is open. [snip] The requests for subscription or unsubscription can also be sent by email, to a special control address, which is slightly different from the lists address. Subscription or unsubscription messages should NOT be sent to the address of the mailing list itself. To subscribe to or unsubscribe from a mailing list, please send mail to -requ...@lists.debian.org with the word subscribe or unsubscribe as subject. I guess this means that any of us could have bounced^[1] the OP's mail straight to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org Please remember the -REQUEST part of the address. As part of the subscription process, the list software will send you an email to which you must reply in order to finish subscribing. This is a security measure to keep people from subscribing others to the lists without their permission. " OP would then get a confirmation email, and problem solved. NOTES 1. From Alpine's help page on bouncing: The Bounce (B) command allows you to re-send, or "remail", a message, as if you were never in the loop. It is analogous to crossing out your address on a postal letter, writing a different address on the envelope, and putting it into the mailbox. Bounce is used primarily to redirect email that was sent to you in error. Also, some owners of email lists need the bounce command to handle list traffic. Bounce is not anonymous. A ReSent-From header is added to the message so that the recipient may tell that you Bounced it to them. Thank you for that. I am an alpine user (and pine before alpine), and I did not know of this functionality. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: UNUBSCRIBE
On 11/8/23 14:49, Luna Jernberg wrote: Or one could unsubscribe using the web interface here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ "If all else fails, follow the instructions" https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subunsub " Subscription / Unsubscription Anyone is able to subscribe/unsubscribe on their own to any mailing list, presuming the subscription policy for a particular list is open. You can use simple web forms to subscribe or unsubscribe from individual mailing lists, available at their respective web pages at https://lists.debian.org/. To subscribe or unsubscribe from multiple mailing lists at once, use the list subscription or unsubscription web forms, respectively. The former page also includes descriptions and the subscription policy for each list. The requests for subscription or unsubscription can also be sent by email, to a special control address, which is slightly different from the lists address. Subscription or unsubscription messages should NOT be sent to the address of the mailing list itself. To subscribe to or unsubscribe from a mailing list, please send mail to -requ...@lists.debian.org with the word subscribe or unsubscribe as subject. Please remember the -REQUEST part of the address. As part of the subscription process, the list software will send you an email to which you must reply in order to finish subscribing. This is a security measure to keep people from subscribing others to the lists without their permission. " .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: chrome web browser worthless
On 1/8/23 20:54, gene heskett wrote:
On 8/1/23 06:26, Bret Busby wrote:
On 1/8/23 17:33, gene heskett wrote:
Google seems to have high jacked port 80, I cannot use it as a
browser to run klipper as a google search intercepts port 80, so
localhost:80 cannot be used for troubleshooting or for running a 3d
printer with klipper..
FF has no such problems.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
Willingly joining the google borg, by using chrome ("We have ways to
obtain and sell all of your private information"), leads to the user
having to take responsibility for the choice.
If you want an alternative to the fiery fox, you might want to try
Vivaldi and Pale Moon, although, I think that, with their protections,
they are a bit more resource demanding.
Not my choice, armbian's.
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..
.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
I have not been aware of the existence of anything named armbian, before
this thread, so, I know nothing of it.
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..
Re: chrome web browser worthless
On 1/8/23 17:33, gene heskett wrote:
Google seems to have high jacked port 80, I cannot use it as a browser
to run klipper as a google search intercepts port 80, so localhost:80
cannot be used for troubleshooting or for running a 3d printer with
klipper..
FF has no such problems.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
Willingly joining the google borg, by using chrome ("We have ways to
obtain and sell all of your private information"), leads to the user
having to take responsibility for the choice.
If you want an alternative to the fiery fox, you might want to try
Vivaldi and Pale Moon, although, I think that, with their protections,
they are a bit more resource demanding.
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..
Re: Recommendations for a UPS?
On 1/8/23 02:53, Bret Busby wrote: On 1/8/23 02:41, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 2:13 PM Tom Browder wrote: I used to use UPS units from APC back when you could replace the battery. I haven't had an UPS (but always on a surge protecter) for awhile, but electricity (now FPL) is not as reliable in my new location and I need one. All the reviews I've seen on Amazon for smaller capacity UPSs for APC and Tripp Lite are not that great (I usually concentrate on the one- and two-star reviews). Any recommenndations from fellow Debian folks? I put them on all my electronic devices. We use about 13 of them throughout the house. There is one at the ONT, one at the router, one at each tv/cable box, and one for each computer in the house. In my test lab in the basement, I keep a few computers grouped together and plugged into one UPS. I have 4 groups, so I need four UPSes. Our use case is an occasional power outage of several minutes, brown-outs and dirty power. If power looks like it is going to be out longer, I turn on our backup generator. It produces _really_ dirty power. Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) is between 15% and 20%. We use the 425 VAC units [1] and 600 VAC units [2], depending on the load. [1] https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HDC236Q [2] https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FWAZEIU With all of that, including 13 UPS's, I wonder whether it would not be more feasible to buy a household BESS with a capacity of 10kWh, and a dedicated inverter, to provide a single UPS. Having replaced/upgraded our household rooftop photovoltaic system last year, I got a 19kW That should have been 19kWh; the hybrid inverter can draw 5kW continuous power from the BESS. BESS connected to a hybrid inverter that provides UPS (switchover time less than 10ms), with it configured to retain 25% (about 4kWh) for reserve power. With that, we have gone through multiple grid power outages, of several hours long, each, with no loss of electricity supply to the house. The whole of the household, is on the protected circuit (apart from a bore pump, and a solar HWS booster element, which has not been turned on for a few years). .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. -- .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Recommendations for a UPS?
On 1/8/23 02:41, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 2:13 PM Tom Browder wrote: I used to use UPS units from APC back when you could replace the battery. I haven't had an UPS (but always on a surge protecter) for awhile, but electricity (now FPL) is not as reliable in my new location and I need one. All the reviews I've seen on Amazon for smaller capacity UPSs for APC and Tripp Lite are not that great (I usually concentrate on the one- and two-star reviews). Any recommenndations from fellow Debian folks? I put them on all my electronic devices. We use about 13 of them throughout the house. There is one at the ONT, one at the router, one at each tv/cable box, and one for each computer in the house. In my test lab in the basement, I keep a few computers grouped together and plugged into one UPS. I have 4 groups, so I need four UPSes. Our use case is an occasional power outage of several minutes, brown-outs and dirty power. If power looks like it is going to be out longer, I turn on our backup generator. It produces _really_ dirty power. Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) is between 15% and 20%. We use the 425 VAC units [1] and 600 VAC units [2], depending on the load. [1] https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HDC236Q [2] https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FWAZEIU With all of that, including 13 UPS's, I wonder whether it would not be more feasible to buy a household BESS with a capacity of 10kWh, and a dedicated inverter, to provide a single UPS. Having replaced/upgraded our household rooftop photovoltaic system last year, I got a 19kW BESS connected to a hybrid inverter that provides UPS (switchover time less than 10ms), with it configured to retain 25% (about 4kWh) for reserve power. With that, we have gone through multiple grid power outages, of several hours long, each, with no loss of electricity supply to the house. The whole of the household, is on the protected circuit (apart from a bore pump, and a solar HWS booster element, which has not been turned on for a few years). .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Recommendations for a UPS?
On 1/8/23 01:23, Tom Browder wrote: I used to use UPS units from APC back when you could replace the battery. I haven't had an UPS (but always on a surge protecter) for awhile, but electricity (now FPL) is not as reliable in my new location and I need one. All the reviews I've seen on Amazon for smaller capacity UPSs for APC and Tripp Lite are not that great (I usually concentrate on the one- and two-star reviews). Any recommenndations from fellow Debian folks? Thanks. -Tom You do not state your location, your requirements, or, your budget. Each of these is important, and, can influence the solution. " "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 " .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Are there Nvidia drivers on Trixie repositories right now ?
On 27/7/23 16:10, rudu wrote: Le 26/07/2023 à 23:16, Greg Wooledge a écrit : On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 11:15:13PM +0200, rudu wrote: Thank you David, but I thought that non-free-firmware should be enough for the new testing repositories. Should I had "non-free" to "main contrib non-free-firmware" ? Sounds weird to me ... ?? The non-free-firmware section only contains firmware. Not drivers. If you need to build non-free drivers (e.g. nvidia) you'll need both sections. Thanks to David and Greg, I finally understood the difference between firmwares and drivers ... ;) Indeed adding the non-free section to my source.list was what I needed. Sorry for the noise. Nice Day to all Rudu I believe that a proverb exists, with wording something like "It is better to look a fool for the time that it takes to ask a question, than to look a fool forever, for not asking the question.". If you did not ask, you would not have learned, and, your having asked, can mean that others can also learn what you have learned, from your having asked the question. People should never have to apologise for asking to learn what they do not know. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Lost HDMI monitor connection
On 18/7/23 01:11, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: I recently upgraded 2 laptops from Bullseye to Bookworm and no longer have access to my external monitor from one of them. My environment consists of a couple of laptops connected to an external monitor via an HDMI Switch that, until the upgrades, gave excellent service. The only diagnostic I have is that, from the failing m/c, the monitor reports that there is no HDMI signal from that computer. Any thoughts will be welcomed. Peter HB What is the hardware involved? What graphics adaptors, what HDMI switch, what monitor? .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Freezing mouse and other suff
On 9/7/23 15:03, Bret Busby wrote: On 9/7/23 12:37, David Christensen wrote: On 7/8/23 20:13, Maureen L Thomas wrote: So I have the latest stable Debian installed on my Lenova all in one computer. I have an 8gb seagate ATA harddrive, 8 GB seems small. Do you mean 8 TB? I am wondering whether the 8GB refers to the amount of the RAM, and the reference to the HDD is the type, without the capacity? And, in that, if the computer's amount of RAM, is only 8GB, what is the size of the swap partition? If the computer has only 8GB RAM, then, I suggest that at least a 32GB swap partition is required. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Freezing mouse and other suff
On 9/7/23 12:37, David Christensen wrote: On 7/8/23 20:13, Maureen L Thomas wrote: So I have the latest stable Debian installed on my Lenova all in one computer. I have an 8gb seagate ATA harddrive, 8 GB seems small. Do you mean 8 TB? I am wondering whether the 8GB refers to the amount of the RAM, and the reference to the HDD is the type, without the capacity? .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?
On 8/7/23 03:30, mick.crane wrote: On 2023-07-07 19:19, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Thr rest, is, as they say... .."A thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor which was written by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition." I don't know about the bits and bytes but I like the sound of it anyway. mick With bits and bytes, one strange thing that I remember, is that, in 1985, in Australia, a particular computer was introduced, that had a 32 bit processor with 8 bit buses. It was a Motorola 68008 CPU, and, I could not understand why a company would produce a 32 bit CPU wit 8 bit buses. The computer was named the Telecom Computerphone, and, it was an oddity in itself. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?
On 7/7/23 16:51, jeremy ardley wrote: On 7/7/23 16:30, Bret Busby wrote: Microsoft didn't invent anything. I did not post that statement as the original poster of that statement. In responding to messages, please properly quote the message, or excerpt of the message, to which the response is being made. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?
On 7/7/23 12:28, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Microsoft didn't invent anything. Yes they did - the highest level of system security - the Blue Screen Of Death - if a computer is made completely inaccessible, then it cannot be breached. Hence, the Blue Screen of Death is the highest level of system security, invented by Microsoft... :) .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?
On 7/7/23 08:31, Bret Busby wrote: On 7/7/23 08:22, hlyg wrote: On 7/7/23 08:14, Bret Busby wrote: You do not include in each of your messages, your name and your location (at least, the country), and that English is not your primary language, and therefore, we have no reason to expect that English is not your primary (and possibly, only) language. do i speak like native speaker?? my english is different from that of native speaker Every person's English is not the same as every other person, regardless of whether English is the person's primary and possibly, only, language. And, each "English speaking" country has a different version of English, within which, many different versions exist. And that is quite apart from the variance in the quality of English taught in formal education, which varies from individual teacher, to individual teacher, so that it is not surprising that Masters degree students and graduates, have English quality levels, about equivalent to middle primary (or, in some countries, named elementary) school education levels. Which also means that, in many cases, where a person from Asia, for example, has English as a second language, the person's level of English, is far superior to locals, who have English as the primary and only language. It all depends on the quality of teaching, and, the quality of the English that is being taught, both of which, vary considerably, apart from the differences between different versions of English. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?
On 7/7/23 08:22, hlyg wrote: On 7/7/23 08:14, Bret Busby wrote: You do not include in each of your messages, your name and your location (at least, the country), and that English is not your primary language, and therefore, we have no reason to expect that English is not your primary (and possibly, only) language. do i speak like native speaker?? my english is different from that of native speaker Every person's English is not the same as every other person, regardless of whether English is the person's primary and possibly, only, language. And, each "English speaking" country has a different version of English, within which, many different versions exist. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?
On 7/7/23 07:39, hlyg wrote: On 7/7/23 06:42, Bret Busby wrote: On 7/7/23 04:23, hlyg wrote: it follows Windows naming style: win7, win8 ... Of course,if you want compliance with MS Windows, then, perhaps, Linux, and, especially, Debian, might not be appropriate for you... i have used wrong word, i don't mean that. you know English is my 2nd language. when we learn foreign language, we tend to parrot You do not include in each of your messages, your name and your location (at least, the country), and that English is not your primary language, and therefore, we have no reason to expect that English is not your primary (and possibly, only) language. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?
On 7/7/23 06:42, Bret Busby wrote: On 7/7/23 04:23, hlyg wrote: it seems natural to me to use deb12 for debian 12 deb for debian as in file name extension of package I believe that using the abbreviation "deb" as the file name extension for packages, is due to, at the time of the creation of Debian, the limitation on file name extensions, to three alpha characters (and, I accept correction on that assumption, if I am wrong), like, as for gTLD's, originally, the names of the domains (as opposed to domain names), were limited, also, to three alpha characters, such as .com. .net, .org, etc. Over time, with longer computer word lengths, such name length limitations, were no longer needed, so that, for .jpg files, .jpeg files, also arose, and, in gTLD's, names of domains, also, became not limited to three characters, and, so, now, gTLD's include .apartment, .bargain, .associates, etc, etc, etc. However, given that the .deb file name extension does not indicate that a .deb package is limited to only Debian (Ubuntu, Linux Mint, and, others, accept .deb packages), and, that .deb is known and has its reputation, as indicating a compatible package, I believe that the Debian Project would have no reason, to choose and implement another file name extension; for example, .debian, to replace the .deb file name extension; and, given that the name Debian, is associated with stability, I believe that the .deb file name extension, would likely, be unchanged, as, amongst other reasons, no worthwhile reason exists, to change the file name extension, from .deb, which is a well known file name extension. That is my, and, only, my, opinion. it follows Windows naming style: win7, win8 ... Of course,if you want compliance with MS Windows, then, perhaps, Linux, and, especially, Debian, might not be appropriate for you... but others don't think so, i google with deb12, few means debian in past 20 years few call it debN (N=1,2,3...) why few are interested in saving 4 characters (ian )? .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. Another aspect also arises. The name deb12, especially,given that the "Deb" component of the name Debian, refers to a woman named Debra Lynn, indicates being the name of a gynoid such as Cherry2000, or, a created humanoid, such as Jessica6. Thus, I am not sure that Debra Lynn would approve of either being named after her, and, the name "deb", indicating being a version of her. So, I would expect that Debra Lynn would be entitled to be required to approve of each version of "deb", before it would be released, as the inference would be that such a product, would be a direct reflection upon her. So, unless each version of "deb", would be required to be personally approved by Debra Lynn, before being released, as it would, by name, be a reflection upon her character, I suggest that the prospective use of the name "deb" for a release version of Debian, should not be entertained, because of what it entails. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?
On 7/7/23 06:02, Bret Busby wrote: On 7/7/23 05:40, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: On 07.07.2023 01:23, hlyg wrote: it seems natural to me to use deb12 for debian 12 deb for debian as in file name extension of package it follows Windows naming style: win7, win8 ... but others don't think so, i google with deb12, few means debian in past 20 years few call it debN (N=1,2,3...) why few are interested in saving 4 characters (ian )? I'd save Ian if I could. -- With kindest regards, Alexander. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org ⠈⠳⣄ I understood that it is some years too late to save Ian - " Ian Ashley Murdock (April 28, 1973 – December 28, 2015) was an American software engineer, known for being the founder of the Debian project and Progeny Linux Systems, a commercial Linux company. " - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Murdock Debian should always be mentioned as Debian, and, not Deb. I expect that his ex-wife, Debra, from whose name, is the Deb of Debian, would agree with that. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. To use "Deb" to represent Debian, would be like renaming Linux, to 'X'. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?
On 7/7/23 04:23, hlyg wrote: it seems natural to me to use deb12 for debian 12 deb for debian as in file name extension of package I believe that using the abbreviation "deb" as the file name extension for packages, is due to, at the time of the creation of Debian, the limitation on file name extensions, to three alpha characters (and, I accept correction on that assumption, if I am wrong), like, as for gTLD's, originally, the names of the domains (as opposed to domain names), were limited, also, to three alpha characters, such as .com. .net, .org, etc. Over time, with longer computer word lengths, such name length limitations, were no longer needed, so that, for .jpg files, .jpeg files, also arose, and, in gTLD's, names of domains, also, became not limited to three characters, and, so, now, gTLD's include .apartment, .bargain, .associates, etc, etc, etc. However, given that the .deb file name extension does not indicate that a .deb package is limited to only Debian (Ubuntu, Linux Mint, and, others, accept .deb packages), and, that .deb is known and has its reputation, as indicating a compatible package, I believe that the Debian Project would have no reason, to choose and implement another file name extension; for example, .debian, to replace the .deb file name extension; and, given that the name Debian, is associated with stability, I believe that the .deb file name extension, would likely, be unchanged, as, amongst other reasons, no worthwhile reason exists, to change the file name extension, from .deb, which is a well known file name extension. That is my, and, only, my, opinion. it follows Windows naming style: win7, win8 ... Of course,if you want compliance with MS Windows, then, perhaps, Linux, and, especially, Debian, might not be appropriate for you... but others don't think so, i google with deb12, few means debian in past 20 years few call it debN (N=1,2,3...) why few are interested in saving 4 characters (ian )? .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?
On 7/7/23 06:02, Bret Busby wrote: On 7/7/23 05:40, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: On 07.07.2023 01:23, hlyg wrote: it seems natural to me to use deb12 for debian 12 deb for debian as in file name extension of package it follows Windows naming style: win7, win8 ... but others don't think so, i google with deb12, few means debian in past 20 years few call it debN (N=1,2,3...) why few are interested in saving 4 characters (ian )? I'd save Ian if I could. -- With kindest regards, Alexander. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org ⠈⠳⣄ I understood that it is some years too late to save Ian - " Ian Ashley Murdock (April 28, 1973 – December 28, 2015) was an American software engineer, known for being the founder of the Debian project and Progeny Linux Systems, a commercial Linux company. ... He named Debian after his then-girlfriend (later wife) Debra Lynn, and himself. " - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Murdock Debian should always be mentioned as Debian, and, not Deb. I expect that his ex-wife, Debra, from whose name, is the Deb of Debian, would agree with that. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: why bookworm isn't called deb12?
On 7/7/23 05:40, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: On 07.07.2023 01:23, hlyg wrote: it seems natural to me to use deb12 for debian 12 deb for debian as in file name extension of package it follows Windows naming style: win7, win8 ... but others don't think so, i google with deb12, few means debian in past 20 years few call it debN (N=1,2,3...) why few are interested in saving 4 characters (ian )? I'd save Ian if I could. -- With kindest regards, Alexander. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org ⠈⠳⣄ I understood that it is some years too late to save Ian - " Ian Ashley Murdock (April 28, 1973 – December 28, 2015) was an American software engineer, known for being the founder of the Debian project and Progeny Linux Systems, a commercial Linux company. " - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Murdock Debian should always be mentioned as Debian, and, not Deb. I expect that his ex-wife, Debra, from whose name, is the Deb of Debian, would agree with that. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: digiKam dead, cannot import from camera
On 27/6/23 07:15, songbird wrote: to...@tuxteam.de wrote: ... Yikes. Those gnomies do love complexity. I know why our ways parted long ago. yes, among the many other assumptions. i'm afraid though that some of these things creep into MATE in time. :( You might try disabling gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor.service and see what changes (possibly you can't access the camera at all, but who knows). disabling or masking. i do that along with a few other things that i don't use or care about. In any case put pebbles along the way so you can find your way back. Perhaps someone with more clue chimes in. Me? I just tell the camera to present a file system, mount it (yes, manually) on /mnt and do a rsync. It's so much easier than all this ritual dances that it's not even funny. yes. someone else downthread says to remove the gphoto2 package but that is useful, i just don't want it automatically engaged until i specifically ask for it. songbird I simply use shotwell. It works for me, without any problems. What the gnomes did, when they said "Up Yours!" to users, and imposed gnome3, caused me to switch to mate, which I have been (mostly) happily using, since I discovered mate. The only significant problem, is that I have to slightly modify mate, by using a deprecated and difficult to find, theme, of which, I store a copy on my Ventoy drive, so that I can install the theme as needed. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Please help with not booting from USB so to install Debian
On 10/6/23 00:22, Bret Busby wrote: On 10/6/23 00:05, Bret Busby wrote: On 9/6/23 23:34, Bret Busby wrote: On 9/6/23 18:43, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Rodolfo Medina writes: I want to install Debian on a new machine but don't manage to boot from USB stick. (I can do so regularly with another machine, so the USB stick is ok and so is the Debian netinst I burned onto it.) At the boot I press F9 and a menu appears where I can choose to boot from USB stick; but then it doesn't so at all booting instead into Windows 11. In BIOS I enabled the CSM protocol but nothing. Please help as I don't know what to do: thanks. Now I tried with a CDROM instead of a USB stick but the problem remains. Rodolfo I asked before, and have not seen an answer. Have you gone into the UEFI/BIOS, and turned off secure booting? .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. You might want to read this; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2023-June/310491.html and, of course, after that procedure, in the system UEFI/BIOS, change the boot order to USB drive Optical (eg, DVD) drive (if the computer has one) HDD so that the computer should attempt to boot from the respective drives, in that order. It occurred to me, after posting the above message, that I should have worded that last part, slightly differently, for clarification; the "and, of course, after that procedure, in the system UEFI/BIOS, change the boot order to" should have been "and, of course, in that procedure, while still in the system UEFI/BIOS, between steps 2 and 3, change the boot order to". I hope that all of this, is helpful, and, credit for success, should go to Liam. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. In this, since I last posted, I remembered that, on one of my computers, on which I installed Linux Mint, whilst the BIOS was set to boot first from the USB input, it would not, so, I simply wrote a copy of the iso file to a DVD, and, booted from the DVD drive, and, installed from the DVD drive, without any problem. If the original poster has not yet been able to boot into a Linux iso file from the USB input, perhaps, providing the computer does have a DVD drive, the original poster could try the DVD method, and, tell us how successful that is. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: RTL8812au support for wifi adapters
On 13/6/23 20:20, Mateus Arruda wrote: Hi, this is my first time reaching a Linux distribution team and also english is not my primary language, so please forgive me if I make any mistakes. I have a PC that uses a Wi-Fi adapter TP-Link 725N which uses the rtl8812au driver. This is not an included driver on the installation to work out of the box. The way to install it in previous versions (kernel 5.+) was to router 4G connection from my smartphone to the bluetooth receiver, perform an “apt update”, “apt install dkms”, “git clone 'the rtl8812au driver’” and “dkms_install” the driver in my machine, wich took a very long time because of the poor bluetooth connection. In Debian 12 this method fails because after dkms_install there is an error regarding the Kernel 6.+: “Error! Your kernel headers for kernel … 6.1.0 cannot be found”. It is very difficult to overcome this problem when I don’t have internet connnection and from what I’ve read, this is a widely used driver for several adapters from TP-Link. With all that said, my contact is to request the inclusion of rtl8812au driver in the installation image so we don’t need to install it by workarounds. I don’t expect to get a response, but if someone from Debian team reads this, thank you for your time and support. Best regards, Mateus I have had problems with realtek wifi drivers on installations, and, instead of using bluetooth (I disable bluetooth on all of my computers), I did it by using USB tethering to my cellphone, to provide the Internet connection, with my cellphone having direct Internet access, in its own right, in addition to my 4G wifi modem/routers. Does your cellphone have direct Internet access, and USB tethering functionality? Also, which desktop environment are you using, and, does it have a GUI utility that deals with hardware drivers? For example, I use the Mate desktop environment, which includes the Control Center, with has Administration -> Driver Manager, and, using that, in conjunction with the USB tethering to my cellphone, and, the direct Internet access of my cellphone, make actions like installing hardware drivers, such as the applicable Realtek wifi drivers, pretty much, a "plug and play" operation, with the wifi device on one of my computers, being a wifi dongle, that uses (possibly the same as yours) a Realtek wifi system; " *-network description: Wireless interface physical id: 6 bus info: usb@3:14 logical name: wlx90de8039844b serial: 90:de:80:39:84:4b capabilities: ethernet physical wireless configuration: broadcast=yes driver=rtl8821cu driverversion=5.15.0-73-generic ip=192.168.1.105 multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11AC " Okay - for this computer (the one that has the wifi USB dongle), it is "driver=rtl8821cu" - yours has the "au" rather than the "cu" suffix, but, depending on whether the equipment (including your desktop environment and your cellphone) has the same functionality, you should be able to install the driver for your wifi adaptor, similarly easily. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: RAM
On 13/6/23 04:52, The Wanderer wrote:
On 2023-06-12 at 16:45, Bret Busby wrote:
On 13/6/23 04:30, The Wanderer wrote:
On 2023-06-12 at 16:06, Mick Ab wrote:
I wish to obtain information about the RAM installed on my PC using the
command line. The information needed is :-
Total RAM stored
Number of sticks used and amount of RAM on each stick
Type of RAM e.g. DDR4
Speed of RAM e.g. 3200 MHz
Manufacturer and model number of RAM
I have seen the dmidecode command being used, but the reliability of the
information returned is not reliable.
Is there any command that will reliably give the required RAM information ?
There are probably multiple ways to get it, but the first one that comes
to my mind involves the 'hwinfo' command, from the package of the same
name.
I don't remember exactly how I invoked it, but I have a historical trail
of files listing the hardware specifications of my last few machines as
they've changed over time, each generated from the output of that
command.
If I search the latest such file for "DIMM", I see two entries, each for
a different DIMM (i.e., "RAM stick"), each with multiple data items. The
fact that there are two of them gives you the "number of sticks used"
you asked for.
Those entries are sub-entries of a larger entry called "memory", which
has a data item called "size", which is the "total RAM" you asked for.
One of the data items in each sub-entry is "product", which appears as
if it might be the "model number" you asked for. (It certainly looks
like a model number, anyway.)
Another is "vendor", which appears to be the "manufacturer" you asked
for.
Another is "size", which gives you the "amount of RAM on each stick" you
asked for.
Another is "clock", which is the "speed of RAM" you asked for.
Another is "description", which at least in my case specifies (as part
of what appears to be a freeform string) that the DIMMs I'm looking at
are DDR4. I don't see that information specified anywhere else in the
listing.
From the above, whilst this computer is running Linux Mint Mate 21.1,
which is based (?) on Ubuntu 22.04 ("jammy"), rather than Debian, I
expect that the same will apply for Debian;
Tue Jun 13 04:33:23 bret@bret-Precision-Tower-5810:~$hwinfo
and, in the output (lots of it - it outputs alot of details), is
"
P: /devices/virtual/dmi/id
L: 0
E: DEVPATH=/devices/virtual/dmi/id
E: SUBSYSTEM=dmi
E:
MODALIAS=dmi:bvnDellInc.:bvrA34:bd10/19/2020:br65.34:svnDellInc.:pnPrecisionTower5810:pvr:rvnDellInc.:rn0K240Y:rvrA02:cvnDellInc.:ct7:cvr:sku0617:
E: USEC_INITIALIZED=2533353
E: ID_VENDOR=Dell Inc.
E: ID_MODEL=Precision Tower 5810
E: MEMORY_ARRAY_LOCATION=System Board Or Motherboard
E: MEMORY_ARRAY_EC_TYPE=Multi-bit ECC
E: MEMORY_ARRAY_MAX_CAPACITY=137438953472
I have to apologize; I completely misremembered the name of the program
that I was referencing, probably because of the filenames I store its
output under. hwinfo is absolutely not it. I would not consider output
such as you presented to be appropriately readable for human
consumption.
Rather, I got the records I'm looking at from the program 'lshw'.
Okay - so the equivalent output that describes the memory, from lshw, is
"
*-memory
description: System Memory
physical id: 2f
slot: System board or motherboard
size: 128GiB
capabilities: ecc
configuration: errordetection=multi-bit-ecc
*-bank:0
description: RIMM DDR4 Synchronous 2133 MHz (0.5 ns)
product: M393A2G40DB0-CPB
vendor: Samsung
physical id: 0
serial: 400F4723
slot: DIMM1
size: 16GiB
width: 64 bits
clock: 2133MHz (0.5ns)
*-bank:1
description: RIMM DDR4 Synchronous 2133 MHz (0.5 ns)
product: M393A2G40DB0-CPB
vendor: Samsung
physical id: 1
serial: 39FDE464
slot: DIMM5
size: 16GiB
width: 64 bits
clock: 2133MHz (0.5ns)
*-bank:2
description: RIMM DDR4 Synchronous 2133 MHz (0.5 ns)
product: M393A2G40DB0-CPB
vendor: Samsung
physical id: 2
serial: 400F473D
slot: DIMM3
size: 16GiB
width: 64 bits
clock: 2133MHz (0.5ns)
*-bank:3
description: RIMM DDR4 Synchronous 2133 MHz (0.5 ns)
product: M393A2G40DB0-CPB
vendor: Samsung
physical id: 3
serial: 39FDD7B6
slot: DIMM7
size: 16GiB
width: 64 bits
clock: 2133MHz (0.5ns)
*-bank:4
description: RIMM DDR4 Synchronou
Re: RAM
R=Samsung E: MEMORY_DEVICE_0_SERIAL_NUMBER=400F4723 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_0_ASSET_TAG=02081530 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_0_PART_NUMBER=M393A2G40DB0-CPB E: MEMORY_DEVICE_0_RANK=2 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_0_CONFIGURED_SPEED_MTS=1866 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_1_TOTAL_WIDTH=72 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_1_DATA_WIDTH=64 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_1_SIZE=17179869184 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_1_FORM_FACTOR=RIMM E: MEMORY_DEVICE_1_LOCATOR=DIMM5 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_1_BANK_LOCATOR=Not Specified E: MEMORY_DEVICE_1_TYPE=DDR4 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_1_TYPE_DETAIL=Synchronous E: MEMORY_DEVICE_1_SPEED_MTS=2133 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_1_MANUFACTURER=Samsung E: MEMORY_DEVICE_1_SERIAL_NUMBER=39FDE464 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_1_ASSET_TAG=020515B1 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_1_PART_NUMBER=M393A2G40DB0-CPB E: MEMORY_DEVICE_1_RANK=2 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_1_CONFIGURED_SPEED_MTS=1866 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_2_TOTAL_WIDTH=72 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_2_DATA_WIDTH=64 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_2_SIZE=17179869184 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_2_FORM_FACTOR=RIMM E: MEMORY_DEVICE_2_LOCATOR=DIMM3 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_2_BANK_LOCATOR=Not Specified E: MEMORY_DEVICE_2_TYPE=DDR4 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_2_TYPE_DETAIL=Synchronous E: MEMORY_DEVICE_2_SPEED_MTS=2133 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_2_MANUFACTURER=Samsung E: MEMORY_DEVICE_2_SERIAL_NUMBER=400F473D E: MEMORY_DEVICE_2_ASSET_TAG=02081530 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_2_PART_NUMBER=M393A2G40DB0-CPB E: MEMORY_DEVICE_2_RANK=2 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_2_CONFIGURED_SPEED_MTS=1866 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_3_TOTAL_WIDTH=72 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_3_DATA_WIDTH=64 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_3_SIZE=17179869184 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_3_FORM_FACTOR=RIMM E: MEMORY_DEVICE_3_LOCATOR=DIMM7 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_3_BANK_LOCATOR=Not Specified E: MEMORY_DEVICE_3_TYPE=DDR4 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_3_TYPE_DETAIL=Synchronous E: MEMORY_DEVICE_3_SPEED_MTS=2133 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_3_MANUFACTURER=Samsung E: MEMORY_DEVICE_3_SERIAL_NUMBER=39FDD7B6 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_3_ASSET_TAG=020515B1 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_3_PART_NUMBER=M393A2G40DB0-CPB E: MEMORY_DEVICE_3_RANK=2 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_3_CONFIGURED_SPEED_MTS=1866 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_4_TOTAL_WIDTH=72 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_4_DATA_WIDTH=64 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_4_SIZE=17179869184 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_4_FORM_FACTOR=RIMM E: MEMORY_DEVICE_4_LOCATOR=DIMM2 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_4_BANK_LOCATOR=Not Specified E: MEMORY_DEVICE_4_TYPE=DDR4 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_4_TYPE_DETAIL=Synchronous E: MEMORY_DEVICE_4_SPEED_MTS=2133 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_4_MANUFACTURER=Samsung E: MEMORY_DEVICE_4_SERIAL_NUMBER=400F4830 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_4_ASSET_TAG=02081530 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_4_PART_NUMBER=M393A2G40DB0-CPB E: MEMORY_DEVICE_4_RANK=2 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_4_CONFIGURED_SPEED_MTS=1866 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_5_TOTAL_WIDTH=72 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_5_DATA_WIDTH=64 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_5_SIZE=17179869184 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_5_FORM_FACTOR=RIMM E: MEMORY_DEVICE_5_LOCATOR=DIMM6 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_5_BANK_LOCATOR=Not Specified E: MEMORY_DEVICE_5_TYPE=DDR4 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_5_TYPE_DETAIL=Synchronous E: MEMORY_DEVICE_5_SPEED_MTS=2133 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_5_MANUFACTURER=Samsung E: MEMORY_DEVICE_5_SERIAL_NUMBER=39FDD7CA E: MEMORY_DEVICE_5_ASSET_TAG=020515B1 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_5_PART_NUMBER=M393A2G40DB0-CPB E: MEMORY_DEVICE_5_RANK=2 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_5_CONFIGURED_SPEED_MTS=1866 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_6_TOTAL_WIDTH=72 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_6_DATA_WIDTH=64 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_6_SIZE=17179869184 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_6_FORM_FACTOR=RIMM E: MEMORY_DEVICE_6_LOCATOR=DIMM4 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_6_BANK_LOCATOR=Not Specified E: MEMORY_DEVICE_6_TYPE=DDR4 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_6_TYPE_DETAIL=Synchronous E: MEMORY_DEVICE_6_SPEED_MTS=2133 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_6_MANUFACTURER=Samsung E: MEMORY_DEVICE_6_SERIAL_NUMBER=400F4722 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_6_ASSET_TAG=02081530 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_6_PART_NUMBER=M393A2G40DB0-CPB E: MEMORY_DEVICE_6_RANK=2 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_6_CONFIGURED_SPEED_MTS=1866 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_7_TOTAL_WIDTH=72 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_7_DATA_WIDTH=64 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_7_SIZE=17179869184 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_7_FORM_FACTOR=RIMM E: MEMORY_DEVICE_7_LOCATOR=DIMM8 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_7_BANK_LOCATOR=Not Specified E: MEMORY_DEVICE_7_TYPE=DDR4 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_7_TYPE_DETAIL=Synchronous E: MEMORY_DEVICE_7_SPEED_MTS=2133 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_7_MANUFACTURER=Samsung E: MEMORY_DEVICE_7_SERIAL_NUMBER=39FDD7C9 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_7_ASSET_TAG=020515B1 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_7_PART_NUMBER=M393A2G40DB0-CPB E: MEMORY_DEVICE_7_RANK=2 E: MEMORY_DEVICE_7_CONFIGURED_SPEED_MTS=1866 E: MEMORY_ARRAY_NUM_DEVICES=8 " so, 8 x 16GB = 128GB. I assume that this is what the original poster sought. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Please help with not booting from USB so to install Debian
On 9/6/23 23:34, Bret Busby wrote: On 9/6/23 18:43, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Rodolfo Medina writes: I want to install Debian on a new machine but don't manage to boot from USB stick. (I can do so regularly with another machine, so the USB stick is ok and so is the Debian netinst I burned onto it.) At the boot I press F9 and a menu appears where I can choose to boot from USB stick; but then it doesn't so at all booting instead into Windows 11. In BIOS I enabled the CSM protocol but nothing. Please help as I don't know what to do: thanks. Now I tried with a CDROM instead of a USB stick but the problem remains. Rodolfo I asked before, and have not seen an answer. Have you gone into the UEFI/BIOS, and turned off secure booting? .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. You might want to read this; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2023-June/310491.html and, of course, after that procedure, in the system UEFI/BIOS, change the boot order to USB drive Optical (eg, DVD) drive (if the computer has one) HDD so that the computer should attempt to boot from the respective drives, in that order. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Please help with not booting from USB so to install Debian
On 10/6/23 00:05, Bret Busby wrote: On 9/6/23 23:34, Bret Busby wrote: On 9/6/23 18:43, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Rodolfo Medina writes: I want to install Debian on a new machine but don't manage to boot from USB stick. (I can do so regularly with another machine, so the USB stick is ok and so is the Debian netinst I burned onto it.) At the boot I press F9 and a menu appears where I can choose to boot from USB stick; but then it doesn't so at all booting instead into Windows 11. In BIOS I enabled the CSM protocol but nothing. Please help as I don't know what to do: thanks. Now I tried with a CDROM instead of a USB stick but the problem remains. Rodolfo I asked before, and have not seen an answer. Have you gone into the UEFI/BIOS, and turned off secure booting? .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. You might want to read this; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2023-June/310491.html and, of course, after that procedure, in the system UEFI/BIOS, change the boot order to USB drive Optical (eg, DVD) drive (if the computer has one) HDD so that the computer should attempt to boot from the respective drives, in that order. It occurred to me, after posting the above message, that I should have worded that last part, slightly differently, for clarification; the "and, of course, after that procedure, in the system UEFI/BIOS, change the boot order to" should have been "and, of course, in that procedure, while still in the system UEFI/BIOS, between steps 2 and 3, change the boot order to". I hope that all of this, is helpful, and, credit for success, should go to Liam. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Please help with not booting from USB so to install Debian
On 9/6/23 18:43, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Rodolfo Medina writes: I want to install Debian on a new machine but don't manage to boot from USB stick. (I can do so regularly with another machine, so the USB stick is ok and so is the Debian netinst I burned onto it.) At the boot I press F9 and a menu appears where I can choose to boot from USB stick; but then it doesn't so at all booting instead into Windows 11. In BIOS I enabled the CSM protocol but nothing. Please help as I don't know what to do: thanks. Now I tried with a CDROM instead of a USB stick but the problem remains. Rodolfo I asked before, and have not seen an answer. Have you gone into the UEFI/BIOS, and turned off secure booting? .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Please help with not booting from USB so to install Debian
On 9/6/23 05:18, Bret Busby wrote: On 9/6/23 05:02, Bret Busby wrote: On 9/6/23 04:52, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Bret Busby writes: My understanding is that Windows 11 computers have malware that is designed to prevent booting into anything other than the malicious Windows 11. A procedure to get around the Windows 11 malware, and to be able to boot into Linux, has, I believe, been described on the Ubuntu Users mailing list. Can you perhaps point out a link to read that procedure? Thanks! Rodolfo I have posted a query to the Ubuntu list, asking the person who I believe, provided the procedure on that list, and, who has published equivalent information for Windows 10. I seek his response. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. Have you disabled "secure boot" on your Windows 11 PC? .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. If you go to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2022-July/thread.html and scroll down to the thread starting with the subject "Questions about Linux Mint and this list", read that message, and, work your way through the responses, especially, the ones from Liam Proven, you should be able to get the answer that you seek. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Please help with not booting from USB so to install Debian
On 9/6/23 05:26, Bret Busby wrote: On 9/6/23 05:18, Bret Busby wrote: On 9/6/23 05:02, Bret Busby wrote: On 9/6/23 04:52, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Bret Busby writes: My understanding is that Windows 11 computers have malware that is designed to prevent booting into anything other than the malicious Windows 11. A procedure to get around the Windows 11 malware, and to be able to boot into Linux, has, I believe, been described on the Ubuntu Users mailing list. Can you perhaps point out a link to read that procedure? Thanks! Rodolfo I have posted a query to the Ubuntu list, asking the person who I believe, provided the procedure on that list, and, who has published equivalent information for Windows 10. I seek his response. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. Have you disabled "secure boot" on your Windows 11 PC? .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. If you go to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2022-July/thread.html and scroll down to the thread starting with the subject "Questions about Linux Mint and this list", read that message, and, work your way through the responses, especially, the ones from Liam Proven, you should be able to get the answer that you seek. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. I should have included, in my previous posts about this, that the imperative first step, before either using a newly purchased computer, or, trying to add an extra booting operating system to any computer, new or otherwise, is to ensure that you have the latest available UEFI/BIOS installed on the computer. The computer manufacturer's web site should have the applicable procedures involved, for both checking the installed and latest UEFI/BIOS versions for the computer, and, for upgrading it as needed. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Please help with not booting from USB so to install Debian
On 9/6/23 05:02, Bret Busby wrote: On 9/6/23 04:52, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Bret Busby writes: My understanding is that Windows 11 computers have malware that is designed to prevent booting into anything other than the malicious Windows 11. A procedure to get around the Windows 11 malware, and to be able to boot into Linux, has, I believe, been described on the Ubuntu Users mailing list. Can you perhaps point out a link to read that procedure? Thanks! Rodolfo I have posted a query to the Ubuntu list, asking the person who I believe, provided the procedure on that list, and, who has published equivalent information for Windows 10. I seek his response. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. Have you disabled "secure boot" on your Windows 11 PC? .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Please help with not booting from USB so to install Debian
On 9/6/23 04:52, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Bret Busby writes: My understanding is that Windows 11 computers have malware that is designed to prevent booting into anything other than the malicious Windows 11. A procedure to get around the Windows 11 malware, and to be able to boot into Linux, has, I believe, been described on the Ubuntu Users mailing list. Can you perhaps point out a link to read that procedure? Thanks! Rodolfo I have posted a query to the Ubuntu list, asking the person who I believe, provided the procedure on that list, and, who has published equivalent information for Windows 10. I seek his response. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Please help with not booting from USB so to install Debian
On 9/6/23 02:36, Rodolfo Medina wrote: I want to install Debian on a new machine but don't manage to boot from USB stick. (I can do so regularly with another machine, so the USB stick is ok and so is the Debian netinst I burned onto it.) At the boot I press F9 and a menu appears where I can choose to boot from USB stick; but then it doesn't so at all booting instead into Windows 11. In BIOS I enabled the CSM protocol but nothing. Please help as I don't know what to do: thanks. Rodolfo My understanding is that Windows 11 computers have malware that is designed to prevent booting into anything other than the malicious Windows 11. A procedure to get around the Windows 11 malware, and to be able to boot into Linux, has, I believe, been described on the Ubuntu Users mailing list. My understanding is that, to boot into Linux or any other non-MS operating system, Windows 11 should be avoided like the plague that it is, and, that a computer with the Windows 10 OS should be obtained, rather than the malware that is Windows 11. Windows 11 also, in the malware that it is, proscribes software that runs on Windows 10 and earlier versions of Windows. The best use for a Windows 11 computer, is to use it as a projectile. Such computers are not even substantial enough to use as boat anchors. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Firefox resource utilization (was Re: A case for supporting antiquated hardware, was Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?)
On 4/6/23 14:32, Max Nikulin wrote: I believe, web site creators should be blamed more aggressively than browser developers for RAM requirements of contemporary web applications. That was the point that I was making - I had not, as a twisted response indicated, criticised Firefox regarding the misuse of resources - I explicitly referred to malignant web application developers (for those that do not understand the term, a web application is the application, on the web application hosting server, that the user accesses, using a web browser, not the web browser itself) that steal users' resources using client-side processing (by using malware such as javascript using client side processing), rather than properly and ethically using server-side processing, such as .jsp or Perl .cgi applications. The problem is that some web developers (and, especially, their employers) offload the processing that should be done on the business web application hosting server, to the victim users' personal computers. It is a malignant exploitation, like the "gig economy". .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: A case for supporting antiquated hardware, was Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?
On 3/6/23 20:26, Dan Ritter wrote: Bret Busby wrote: I don't see how they can be both cheap and cost far too much. -dsr- Cheap and nasty construction, selling for excessive prices. "Here is this thing that cost me a dollar to make. I will sell it to you for a hundred dollars, with no worthwhile warranty." .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: A case for supporting antiquated hardware, was Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?
On 3/6/23 13:41, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: On Fri, Jun 2, 2023, 6:10 PM Bret Busby <mailto:b...@busby.net>> wrote: On 3/6/23 06:33, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 2, 2023, 4:49 PM Bret Busby mailto:b...@busby.net> > <mailto:b...@busby.net <mailto:b...@busby.net>>> wrote: > > On 2/6/23 23:55, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > > > > > Luddites of the World Unite! You have nothing to lose but your > upgrade > > treadmills > > If, by upgrade treadmills, you mean the flatbed treadmills, that have a > belt that is turned by the human walking on it, rather than the > electric > ones with electric motors for lazy humans, the ones that have the belt > > > I'm afraid he meant the treadmill that used to be called "planned > obsolescence". The thought that a perfectly satisfactory machine no > longer suffices for you because it is "yesterday's model". Thereafter it > will stop working with newer machines (or software) which are intended > to be incompatible with it. > And what is the end in view? > Sell you a new machine. > > Interesting. Last year, I bought the computer described below, as a refurbished machine, and, it is far superior to the new computers that do not come with enough RAM to be worthwhile. This computer, with 128GB RAM, I regard as far superior to an i9 computer with 8GB RAM. . Refurbished computer profile (with 128GB RAM (that runs about 200 windows of Firefox (I have one saved session, with 229 windows, and about 3200 tabs), while viewing movies (I also have about 10 movies open at present, in Celluloid and SMPlayer), although, at present, I have only about 127 Firefox windows open, with 1689 tabs): Holy cow! :-) No wonder you have 128GB RAM. You will need that much for that much Firefox. It's a peeve of mine how resource intensive it is for a browser compared to the competition. The problem in the demand for resources via web browsers, is the gratuitous malicious use of javascript; client side processing, that steals a user's resources, rather than server side processing, which is what ethical web application developers use (server side processing, that is, that is used by ethical web application developers). Running SeaMonkey, with javascript disabled, uses hardly any resources; on my i7, 16GB RAM, All-In-One (also, a refurbished Dell), I have currently 80 Firefox Windows, 20 Pale Moon Windows, and, (free of javascript) 16 SeaMonkey Windows running. Also, having the primary HD, with an appropriate (I use 32GB as standard) swap partition, as an NVVME (?) SSD, causes the systems to run better. My point was, and, is, that the "speed" of a system is not solely reliant on, and, should not be assessed solely on, the age of the CPU; many other factors, including the amount of RAM, the speed and capacity of the primary HD, and, the responsible use of a swap partition, should, I believe, be taken into account. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: A case for supporting antiquated hardware, was Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?
On 3/6/23 06:33, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: On Fri, Jun 2, 2023, 4:49 PM Bret Busby <mailto:b...@busby.net>> wrote: On 2/6/23 23:55, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > Luddites of the World Unite! You have nothing to lose but your upgrade > treadmills If, by upgrade treadmills, you mean the flatbed treadmills, that have a belt that is turned by the human walking on it, rather than the electric ones with electric motors for lazy humans, the ones that have the belt I'm afraid he meant the treadmill that used to be called "planned obsolescence". The thought that a perfectly satisfactory machine no longer suffices for you because it is "yesterday's model". Thereafter it will stop working with newer machines (or software) which are intended to be incompatible with it. And what is the end in view? Sell you a new machine. Interesting. Last year, I bought the computer described below, as a refurbished machine, and, it is far superior to the new computers that do not come with enough RAM to be worthwhile. This computer, with 128GB RAM, I regard as far superior to an i9 computer with 8GB RAM. And, on this old computer, apart from (as part of its refurbishment), is the 500GB NVVME (?) SSD primary hard drive, the 6TB internal second HD, and, using some of the (about)6 USB ports, I have an external USB HDD (about 2TB), and a T5 and a T7 external USB SSD drive, with room for more; the T5 and T7 drives using the exFAT file system, with extraordinarily fast data transfer rates. So, old computers like this one, are superior to new computers. And, for years, when dialup computing was used, I had used for a mailserver, a used, low spec, HP server that I bought for 100AUD, that had an MMX CPU, and, was quite adequate to be a mailserver, running postfix and procmail, and, whatever version of Debian was on it, until dialup was superseded by "broadband", for which, the modems imposed DHCP, rather than static IP addresses, and I had to give up running my own mailserver, because it became too complicated, when I could no longer use static IP addresses. And, this computer (not the ex-mailserver) cost about as much as a bottom of the range new computer. The new computers are rubbish. Refurbished computer profile (with 128GB RAM (that runs about 200 windows of Firefox (I have one saved session, with 229 windows, and about 3200 tabs), while viewing movies (I also have about 10 movies open at present, in Celluloid and SMPlayer), although, at present, I have only about 127 Firefox windows open, with 1689 tabs): " Machine: Type: Desktop System: Dell product: Precision Tower 5810 v: N/A serial: Chassis: type: 7 serial: Mobo: Dell model: 0K240Y v: A02 serial: UEFI: Dell v: A34 date: 10/19/2020 CPU: Info: 14-core model: Intel Xeon E5-2660 v4 bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Broadwell rev: 1 cache: L1: 896 KiB L2: 3.5 MiB L3: 35 MiB Speed (MHz): avg: 1491 high: 2880 min/max: 1200/3200 cores: 1: 1198 2: 2539 3: 1199 4: 1197 5: 2827 6: 1197 7: 1198 8: 1197 9: 1197 10: 1197 11: 1202 12: 1198 13: 1357 14: 1201 15: 1199 16: 2880 17: 1197 18: 1197 19: 2727 20: 1197 21: 1198 22: 1304 23: 1197 24: 1197 25: 2828 26: 1198 27: 1353 28: 1197 bogomips: 111740 Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA TU116 [GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER] vendor: ASUSTeK driver: nvidia v: 525.105.17 pcie: speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: none off: HDMI-A-1 empty: DP-1,DVI-D-1 bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:21c4 Device-2: Sunplus Innovation AAPDQT-0622-W type: USB driver: snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo bus-ID: 3-13:6 chip-ID: 1bcf:2cb4 Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.4 compositor: marco v: 1.26.0 driver: X: loaded: nvidia unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa gpu: nvidia display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 93 Monitor-1: HDMI-0 res: 1920x1080 dpi: 94 diag: 598mm (23.5") OpenGL: renderer: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 525.105.17 direct render: Yes ... Info: Processes: 556 Uptime: 9d 12h 26m Memory: 125.72 GiB used: 99.99 GiB (79.5%) Init: systemd v: 249 runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 11.3.0 alt: 11/12 Client: Unknown python3.10 client inxi: 3.3.13 " Some computers, like this one, perform far better, than the cheap and nasty new computers (which cost far more, and, far too much), with the new computers being best described as rubbish, produced by increasingly malicious manufacturers (that make freedom of choice of operating systems, and, performance, impossible). .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: 10 year old machines are slow (was: A hypervisor for a headless server?)
On 3/6/23 03:19, Stefan Monnier wrote: The most recent general-purpose Intel CPU without VT-X is from 2012. [...] *everything* on processors that old is slow. Actually, for many (most?) single-threaded applications, I wouldn't be surprised if some 2010 CPUs end up within a factor 3 of the most badass desktop you can find today. Stefan Since the above message refers to "10 year old" computers, if a person searches the list archives, I had posted to this, and, other operating system lists, regarding a computer that I bought in 2013 (which is ten years ago, this year), which was so advanced, that only two non-MS operating systems had drivers for the CPU; it had an Intel i7 CPU, with 32GB RAM, and, until it stopped working last year or this year, due to a grid electricity failure, which, I think, wrecked the power supply for the computer (an Acer Aspire "laptop"; - a V3-772G), that computer never gave me cause to think it slow. Whoever posted the message to which the above message is a reply, is showing a lack of knowledge of computers; the "speed" of a computer, involves more components than simply the CPU - an i9 with 2GB of RAM, will probably not be as "fast" as in i3 with 32GB of RAM. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: A case for supporting antiquated hardware, was Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?
On 2/6/23 23:55, James H. H. Lampert wrote: Luddites of the World Unite! You have nothing to lose but your upgrade treadmills If, by upgrade treadmills, you mean the flatbed treadmills, that have a belt that is turned by the human walking on it, rather than the electric ones with electric motors for lazy humans, the ones that have the belt that is turned by the human walking on it, having a slight, and, adjustable upward grade, then, such treadmills should definitely not be abandoned. The human powered (rather than electric powered) treadmills are far more healthy, both directly for the human powering the treadmill, and, for the environment, especially, given that most electricity is generated either by burning things, and therefore, creating atmospheric pollution, and, poisoning most lifeforms, or, by nuclear meltdowns, causing radioactive poisoning, and, even worse toxic waste, than from burning things. So, human powered treadmills, that involve an upward grade, should not be abandoned, the abandonment of which treadmills, threatens life, for the sake of ever-increasing laziness. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: how to create bootable usb stick from iso file
On 18/5/23 11:44, hlyg wrote: in debian, it is as easy as copying iso file to usb device (/dev/sdx), run sync to be safe does this method work for other iso file? http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/unix/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/13.1/FreeBSD-13.1-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso i can't boot it created this way. what's wrong with it? Thanks! You might want to read https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/10/friday_foss_fest/ I have a 32GB USB "thumbdrive", on which, I have had up to 10 different operating systems - various Linux distributions and versions, GhostBSD and MidnightBSD, and the MS Windows 10 iso . Once the drive is configured with Ventoy, it is a simple matter of copying a downloaded bootable iso file to the drive, then, using the Ventoy drive to boot. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: how to find out regdomain/country of wifi network
On 13/5/23 22:22, gene heskett wrote: On 5/13/23 05:35, hl wrote: freebsd ask me regdomain/country of wifi when i set up wifi my wifi works in buster, how to find out regdomain/country it uses? https://wiki.freebsd.org/action/show/WiFi/RegulatoryDomainSupport?action=show=WiFiRegulatory To view the current list of regulatory domains and SKUs: # ifconfig wlan0 list countries To view the current regulatory domain frequency and operating modes: # ifconfig wlan0 list regdomain but ifconfig isn't available in buster I've got an old, now shoved under the bus and sold to the money cats, 1st phone ticket in my billfold, issued back when it meant something, and I am also a CET, teaching EE's how to get their hands dirty if needed. This gentleman's concern is very real, with potentially costly results in this world of everything being made in china with no regard for our laws. Unless there is a replacement utility that will supply him with the info he needs the legal consequences exposure is an unknown. ip does not in my man reading, offer similar performance. Is there a replacement utility for ifconfig that will supply this info? Cheers, Gene Heskett. Having viewed the web page at the URL cited by the original poster, to me, the original poster's question is "Why does this FreeBSD command not work on Linux?" The command and the options, as stated in the original post, are in the exact format and syntax, specified explicitly for FreeBSD, and, not for Linux. I have ifconfig installed and operational. Did the original poster (and, the poster above), type man ifconfig to find what options are available on the distribution and version number of Linux, that they have installed? The syntax as cited in the original post, is not available for the version of ifconfig that I have installed. See also https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/629134/how-to-set-country-region-for-wifi-globally-in-linux-mint-20 https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration/Wireless to find the information that is sought. Perhaps, both posters above, should try searching (with something like the Borg search engine named google), for how to find the relevant information on the distribution and version number of Linux, that they have installed, rather than complaining that a FreeBSD command does not work on it? .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: disk usage for /usr/lib on bullseye
On 2/5/23 20:23, Michel Verdier wrote: Le 2 mai 2023 Bret Busby a écrit : I expect that, by context, running apt purge without the restriction specifying particular package, will apply apt purge to all installed packages, according to what purge does, in relation to packages. But as "apt purge " remove this package and remove configuration for this package, I hope that "apt purge" will not remove "all installed packages". Personnally I will not test it... I believe that this is a case of a problem with having different primary languages (me, English, the above poster, French), with things getting "lost in translation". I did not mean that purge will remove all installed languages; as according to my last previous post in this thread (I think it was my last previous post - I am not sure); apt purge apparently removes obsolete configuration files (orphaned configuration files - that would have been associated with only packages that have been removed), and, so, where a particular package is specified as an argument to the command, all obsolete configuration files associated with the package, will be removed, and, where no package is specified as an argument to the command, all obsolete configuration files for "all installed packages", will be removed. No suggestion has been made, insofar as I am aware, other than in the above post, that using apt purge will remove all installed packages. I think that, to remove all installed packages, a system administrator, from the superuser level, needs to run something like rm -r / (assuming that the /bin and /sbin (etc, etc, etc) directories are within the / partition, and, not in partitions separate to the / partition) - the use of which command, I do not recommend. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: disk usage for /usr/lib on bullseye
On 2/5/23 18:18, Bret Busby wrote: On 2/5/23 17:18, Tixy wrote: On Tue, 2023-05-02 at 17:03 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On 2/5/23 16:58, Bret Busby wrote: On 2/5/23 11:42, David Wright wrote: Have you tried running also apt autoclean I thought that just cleared /var/cache/apt/archives/. and apt purge I've never tried that without a package name. What does it do? RTFM ? man apt Which doesn't say what 'apt purge' does without a package name. It says 'Performs the requested action on one or more packages specified via regex(7), glob(7) or exact match'. It doesn't go on to say what happens if you leave that blank. 3 possibilities that spring to mind is that this is and error, a noop, or means 'every package'. The latter you be real bad, the other two now a useful suggestion to people. Of course, it could be special cased to mean 'purge everything not installed', which count be useful, but the man page doesn't say that. " install, reinstall, remove, purge (apt-get(8)) Performs the requested action on one or more packages specified via regex(7), glob(7) or exact match. The requested action can be overridden for specific packages by appending a plus (+) to the package name to install this package or a minus (-) to remove it. A specific version of a package can be selected for installation by following the package name with an equals (=) and the version of the package to select. Alternatively the version from a specific release can be selected by following the package name with a forward slash (/) and codename (bullseye, bookworm, sid ...) or suite name (stable, testing, unstable). This will also select versions from this release for dependencies of this package if needed to satisfy the request. Removing a package removes all packaged data, but leaves usually small (modified) user configuration files behind, in case the remove was an accident. Just issuing an installation request for the accidentally removed package will restore its function as before in that case. On the other hand you can get rid of these leftovers by calling purge even on already removed packages. Note that this does not affect any data or configuration stored in your home directory. " I expect that, by context, running apt purge without the restriction specifying particular package, will apply apt purge to all installed packages, according to what purge does, in relation to packages. I had meant to include (but forgot to include) in the above message; perhaps, if reading this, a package developer/maintainer for apt could clarify the above. -- .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: disk usage for /usr/lib on bullseye
On 2/5/23 18:20, Bret Busby wrote: On 2/5/23 18:18, Bret Busby wrote: On 2/5/23 17:18, Tixy wrote: On Tue, 2023-05-02 at 17:03 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On 2/5/23 16:58, Bret Busby wrote: On 2/5/23 11:42, David Wright wrote: Have you tried running also apt autoclean I thought that just cleared /var/cache/apt/archives/. and apt purge I've never tried that without a package name. What does it do? RTFM ? man apt Which doesn't say what 'apt purge' does without a package name. It says 'Performs the requested action on one or more packages specified via regex(7), glob(7) or exact match'. It doesn't go on to say what happens if you leave that blank. 3 possibilities that spring to mind is that this is and error, a noop, or means 'every package'. The latter you be real bad, the other two now a useful suggestion to people. Of course, it could be special cased to mean 'purge everything not installed', which count be useful, but the man page doesn't say that. " install, reinstall, remove, purge (apt-get(8)) Performs the requested action on one or more packages specified via regex(7), glob(7) or exact match. The requested action can be overridden for specific packages by appending a plus (+) to the package name to install this package or a minus (-) to remove it. A specific version of a package can be selected for installation by following the package name with an equals (=) and the version of the package to select. Alternatively the version from a specific release can be selected by following the package name with a forward slash (/) and codename (bullseye, bookworm, sid ...) or suite name (stable, testing, unstable). This will also select versions from this release for dependencies of this package if needed to satisfy the request. Removing a package removes all packaged data, but leaves usually small (modified) user configuration files behind, in case the remove was an accident. Just issuing an installation request for the accidentally removed package will restore its function as before in that case. On the other hand you can get rid of these leftovers by calling purge even on already removed packages. Note that this does not affect any data or configuration stored in your home directory. " I expect that, by context, running apt purge without the restriction specifying particular package, will apply apt purge to all installed packages, according to what purge does, in relation to packages. I had meant to include (but forgot to include) in the above message; perhaps, if reading this, a package developer/maintainer for apt could clarify the above. However, in reading the man entry for apt, further, I am of the impression that what apt purge does, is removes redundant configuration files, rather than redundant dependencies (which, I take to include libraries). So, given " autoremove (apt-get(8)) autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for other packages and are now no longer needed as dependencies changed or the package(s) needing them were removed in the meantime. You should check that the list does not include applications you have grown to like even though they were once installed just as a dependency of another package. You can mark such a package as manually installed by using apt-mark(8). Packages which you have installed explicitly via install are also never proposed for automatic removal. " I expect that, as apt autoremove removes redundant kernels (and "packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for other packages and are now no longer needed as dependencies changed or the package(s) needing them were removed in the meantime"), that apt autoremove should also remove redundant libraries, which goes to the query of the original poster. If apt autoremove does not remove orphaned (as in redundant, because the "packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for other packages and are now no longer needed as dependencies changed or the package(s) needing them were removed in the meantime") libraries, then, perhaps, apt autoremove has a slight deficiency? .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: disk usage for /usr/lib on bullseye
On 2/5/23 17:18, Tixy wrote: On Tue, 2023-05-02 at 17:03 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On 2/5/23 16:58, Bret Busby wrote: On 2/5/23 11:42, David Wright wrote: Have you tried running also apt autoclean I thought that just cleared /var/cache/apt/archives/. and apt purge I've never tried that without a package name. What does it do? RTFM ? man apt Which doesn't say what 'apt purge' does without a package name. It says 'Performs the requested action on one or more packages specified via regex(7), glob(7) or exact match'. It doesn't go on to say what happens if you leave that blank. 3 possibilities that spring to mind is that this is and error, a noop, or means 'every package'. The latter you be real bad, the other two now a useful suggestion to people. Of course, it could be special cased to mean 'purge everything not installed', which count be useful, but the man page doesn't say that. " install, reinstall, remove, purge (apt-get(8)) Performs the requested action on one or more packages specified via regex(7), glob(7) or exact match. The requested action can be overridden for specific packages by appending a plus (+) to the package name to install this package or a minus (-) to remove it. A specific version of a package can be selected for installation by following the package name with an equals (=) and the version of the package to select. Alternatively the version from a specific release can be selected by following the package name with a forward slash (/) and codename (bullseye, bookworm, sid ...) or suite name (stable, testing, unstable). This will also select versions from this release for dependencies of this package if needed to satisfy the request. Removing a package removes all packaged data, but leaves usually small (modified) user configuration files behind, in case the remove was an accident. Just issuing an installation request for the accidentally removed package will restore its function as before in that case. On the other hand you can get rid of these leftovers by calling purge even on already removed packages. Note that this does not affect any data or configuration stored in your home directory. " I expect that, by context, running apt purge without the restriction specifying particular package, will apply apt purge to all installed packages, according to what purge does, in relation to packages. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: disk usage for /usr/lib on bullseye
On 2/5/23 16:58, Bret Busby wrote: On 2/5/23 11:42, David Wright wrote: Have you tried running also apt autoclean I thought that just cleared /var/cache/apt/archives/. and apt purge I've never tried that without a package name. What does it do? RTFM ? man apt ... .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: disk usage for /usr/lib on bullseye
On 2/5/23 11:42, David Wright wrote: On Mon 01 May 2023 at 23:24:56 (-0400), Timothy M Butterworth wrote: On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:45 PM Rick Thomas wrote: On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Bret Busby wrote: On 2/5/23 02:06, David Christensen wrote: On 5/1/23 06:51, Bonno Bloksma wrote: The cause seems to be the folder /usr/lib/modules# linams:/usr/lib/modules# du * -sh 4.7M5.10.0-10-amd64 4.7M5.10.0-11-amd64 4.7M5.10.0-12-amd64 4.7M5.10.0-13-amd64 4.7M5.10.0-15-amd64 4.7M5.10.0-16-amd64 309M5.10.0-18-amd64 309M5.10.0-19-amd64 309M5.10.0-20-amd64 309M5.10.0-21-amd64 309M5.10.0-22-amd64 4.7M5.10.0-7-amd64 4.7M5.10.0-8-amd64 4.7M5.10.0-9-amd64 Did anyone else notice the massive jump in file size here? 4.7M to 309M is a huge increase in file size! 4.7MB is the size of the modules.* that are created during installation, as I mentioned in my post. These are deleted by purge but not by remove, whereas: $ du -sh /lib/modules/5.10.0-22-amd64/ 309M/lib/modules/5.10.0-22-amd64/ $ is the modules themselves, awaiting deletion. (Actually, this particular listing is my live kernel.) Host linams is the most burdened one, with five sets of modules. I'm assuming that the kernels/initrds have gone from /boot. If all five are still there, then the good news is that my first post doesn't apply, and they've simply forgotten to remove the 1st, 2nd and 3rd oldest kernels (and it's best to use purge for less clutter). Have you tried running also apt autoclean I thought that just cleared /var/cache/apt/archives/. and apt purge I've never tried that without a package name. What does it do? RTFM ? .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: disk usage for /usr/lib on bullseye
On 2/5/23 02:06, David Christensen wrote: On 5/1/23 06:51, Bonno Bloksma wrote: Hi, On my "new" Bullseye machines the root volume starts to fill up. The cause seems to be the /usr/lib folder. On my older Buster (10.13) machine the total /usr directory is 701M, the /usr/lib folder is 260M In my /usr/lib folder on Buster is NO /usr/lib/modules folder On my Bullseye machines the /usr/lib folder is 2+GB on the machines that have been operating for a while and 1+G on a machine that has been operating for a shorter while. The cause seems to be the folder /usr/lib/modules# linams:/usr/lib/modules# du * -sh 4.7M 5.10.0-10-amd64 4.7M 5.10.0-11-amd64 4.7M 5.10.0-12-amd64 4.7M 5.10.0-13-amd64 4.7M 5.10.0-15-amd64 4.7M 5.10.0-16-amd64 309M 5.10.0-18-amd64 309M 5.10.0-19-amd64 309M 5.10.0-20-amd64 309M 5.10.0-21-amd64 309M 5.10.0-22-amd64 4.7M 5.10.0-7-amd64 4.7M 5.10.0-8-amd64 4.7M 5.10.0-9-amd64 And linutr:/usr/lib/modules# du * -sh 4.7M 5.10.0-16-amd64 4.7M 5.10.0-17-amd64 309M 5.10.0-18-amd64 309M 5.10.0-19-amd64 309M 5.10.0-20-amd64 309M 5.10.0-21-amd64 And lola:/usr/lib/modules# du * -sh 4.7M 5.10.0-13-amd64 4.7M 5.10.0-19-amd64 309M 5.10.0-20-amd64 309M 5.10.0-21-amd64 309M 5.10.0-22-amd64 Guessing on what I see these are libraries for older kernel versions. I usually clean up older kernel versions by using # apt autoremove" All 3 servers have 1 older kernel version installed according to apt autoremove. Have you tried running also apt autoclean and apt purge ? -- .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Gnome desktop environment
On 4/22/23 14:52, William Torrez Corea wrote: I want to delete the Gnome desktop environment. *What command is used for an elimination complete?* format c: .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
