Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 09:53:00PM +0530, AP wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Catalin Soare lolinux.so...@gmail.com wrote: Hello there! Then, come back to Debian. Unless you choose any testing or non-stable variants, you will notice that it truly is stable and once setup, things Just Work (TM). Stable in what sense. Means we don't need to install anything again for years? Yep, that's pretty much on the nail! Although, it is around three years on average, as the testing distribution becomes the new stable. Of course, there is backports, but some would argue that then, by definition, you are no longer running a stable system. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131127110824.GB20859@tal
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 04:33:18PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 26 November 2013 16:25:08 AP wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Much depends on whether you (AP) are ready to get your feet wet and use the CLI (command line interface). By all means stick to the GUI (graphical user interface) for installing things if that is your preference. Because I guess CLI is a bit more typical and for advanced users but ok...slowly-slowlyI would try to Some of us are old enough for the command line to be more familiar. DOS anyone? ;-) No thanks. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131127113558.GD20859@tal
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 07:22:54AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Doug, are you thinking apt-get install packagename or dpkg install filename? The latter is rarely used (even by 'power' users) these days, and the former is not what you wrote - perhaps this clarifies something useful for someone. JFTR, the latter won't work, even for power users. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131127114428.GE20859@tal
Re: Toshiba Satellite U940
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 09:40:53PM +1100, Charlie wrote: Trouble with the very touchy touchpad which was making me go crazy, so dropped everything out of it except that it's as touchpad. I like it like that. But it still does some scroll things I don't like when I don't want them. A configuration in progress. Can't remember the exact problems I was having with the touchpad on this Dell Inspiron, but I ended up with: root@tal:~# less /etc/modprobe.d/touchpad.conf options psmouse proto=imps I had to create the touchpad.conf file, as it didn't exist. snipped overly long sig. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131127124736.GA25672@tal
Re: Question about bogofilter -R
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 11:33:00AM -0800, pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: I'm trying to understand Bogofilter better. Wrong place to ask. Try the following: http://bogofilter.sourceforge.net/faq.shtml http://www.bogofilter.org/mailman/listinfo/bogofilter Archives http://www.bogofilter.org/pipermail/bogofilter/ http://news.gmane.org/gmane.mail.bogofilter.general -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131125092614.GB18824@tal
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 11:04:27PM +0530, AP wrote: Hello, Hi, I want to use Linux in my daily works which are simple like office works (documentation) and web surfing because I am in the job which is no more related with computers..So this is just my hobby part. You can use libreoffice. Just be aware that there can be formatting issues between the two systems. Using the .rtf type can be used instead, but there are plenty of Save As ... choices. (ii) DEB vs RPM Probably not the best list to ask this question. :) Although, I have heard of dependency hell using the RPM format. Disclaimer: Not familiar with RPM packages. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131125103228.GC4454@tal
Re: upgrade on comp without internet connection
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 03:06:48PM +0200, andrey.ry...@bilkent.edu.tr wrote: hi everybody! i have installed debian version 6.0.2 on computer without internet connection. Also i have full set of DVD with 7.2.0 version. So - i want to upgrade the system. Im going to perform next steps: 1) remove all contents of /etc/apt/sources.list 2) add every DVD by apt-cdrom add command 3) #apt-get update #apt-get dist-upgrade Is this sequence of command correct (at least theoretically)? Is there pit falls? The release notes should be read prior to the upgrade. Yes, there are often pitfalls which will be avoided if you follow the release notes. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131125141144.GA14756@tal
Re: Why Debian
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 04:55:50PM -0500, Ric Moore wrote: Mark kept threatening to shut down the email-based User list for some time. At least that is what the moderators kept telling us. Do you mean listmasters here? Otherwise, the last bit doesn't make sense. IOW, if there are moderators then the list is moderated. Then when several of us old timers brought up the lens shopping thingie they told us that it was not a technical issue. But it isn't. Technically, there is nothing wrong with it. Socially, now that's another story. Some us figured/argued that it was indeed a technical issue, then the entire list became moderated. Because the discussion couldn't be resolved? Remember, there are people employed at Canonical who don't want to bite the hand that feeds them. At least with Debian there is no company agenda pushing any of the decisions which Debian takes. Anyway, let's not get involved with another distros policies/agenda. You may want to subscribe to the off topic list if you want to discuss off topic issues. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131121143340.GB16667@tal
Re: message formatting [was Wheezy/XFCE/VNC}
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 05:07:52PM +, Brad Rogers wrote: On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:52:44 + Ron Leach ronle...@tesco.net wrote: Hello Ron, Jonathan, thank you for the note. I've rechecked. I think Jonathan was directing his comments to Emilio, not you. It's difficult to know for sure as he didn't use a name, or quote some of the offending message. It was hard to take seriously exactly for that reason. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131119085400.GB1151@tal
Re: Install Google Chrome
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 07:42:10PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder - How I keep from going under. Have you seen the movie Shutter Island? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131119091831.GC1151@tal
Re: message formatting [was Wheezy/XFCE/VNC}
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 02:26:21PM +0100, Andre Majorel wrote: On 2013-11-19 21:54 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 05:07:52PM +, Brad Rogers wrote: I think Jonathan was directing his comments to Emilio, not you. It's difficult to know for sure as he didn't use a name, or quote some of the offending message. An attribution wouldn't have hurt but it's plain to see that Jon was replying to Emilio's message, not Ron's. Or don't mailers show threads any more ? Mutt, the one I use, does; but I don't keep *all* the messages in a thread. I must have deleted the message that Jonathan referred to at some stage. I think this adds more credence to the point that providing context and attribution would certainly help avoid conversations like this one. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131120044545.GC20025@tal
Re: Debian 7 installation
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 07:32:04PM -0800, Atari McBits wrote: Hello, I am having some problems installing Debian 7 on a old laptop of mine. So, I press Install and then after a few minutes, the screen just goes black and I have no idea what is going on. Right. Could you tell us a bit more about the laptop, or is it a secret? What image are you using? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131117104610.GA13981@tal
Re: software for (reminder) recommendation
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 01:54:19PM +, Curt wrote: Or you can use the old tried and true method of tying a string around your finger, perhaps the first digital reminder technology known to man. ;-) Doesn't work, ... what's this bit of string doing round my finger ... ... :-) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131114093419.GD4649@tal
Re: software for (reminder) recommendation
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:09:37PM +0800, lina wrote: Hi, Which package I can be installed which may serve as calender, Just remind me when, where and what I need attend or prepare? root@tal:~# apt-cache show remind Package: remind [...] Suggests: tkremind, wyrd Description-en: sophisticated calendar and alarm program [...] TIP: A great way to find packages is with 'apt-cache search', IOW 'apt-cache search remind' :) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131113222405.GB21142@tal
Re: who uses dual boot? [was: How to start using a free OS]
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 09:31:48AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 00:59 +, José Silva wrote: I think there are ways of overcoming this, inserting the key in the VM bios, but I doubt it's legal. Is it legal to have a monopoly and to force people to pay for an OS to survive? We are living and we need to survive! I don't see how not having an OS stops you surviving. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131113224256.GC4649@tal
Re: Why Debian
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 03:40:18PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: The real problem is that the number of people who install any operating system from scratch at any time is very small: - probably less than 1% As in LFS? (I think I know what you mean, i.e from disk? ) - people have been known to throuw away Windows machines because of software failures which would have been solved y a reinstall. Still got a laptop going strong¹ with Debian installed, whereas Windoze died circa 3yrs ago. I believe there were no Windoze installation disks with it at the time. *cough* *cough* ¹ You have to ctrl-alt-f1, then alt-f7 to kick the graphics card into displaying in X, but otherwise ... :) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2013130417.GA23428@tal
Re: Why Debian
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 01:04:27PM +1100, David wrote: On 11 November 2013 02:17, thomas aylward grasslandsc...@gmail.com wrote: how does a novice begin with debian? Tom In addition to other replies, a local linux user group can be a good source of inspiration and assistance. I'd say that in order of effectiveness and efficiency, that would be at the top of the list. Even better is to know someone you get on with who is willing to help/tutor you. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2013132524.GB23428@tal
Re: Why Debian
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 06:26:08PM +0100, Slavko wrote: then ask for CC is base way do get the responses. Please, do not use the Reply to All, or use MUA, which can identify MLs and post replies ^^ That 'or' should be 'but' because it read as: Please, do not use an MUA which can identify MLs ... Which is not what I believe you are trying to say. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2013133508.GC23428@tal
Re: Why Debian
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 06:41:42PM +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: way: I always use reply all, and it does not seems to send mails to the sender too. Policy is to reply to list ONLY. On the other hand, if I use the normal reply, it only reply to the sender. That is the expected behaviour, but then obviously the list won't rec it. If your MUA hasn't got a reply to list function, then you'll have to handcraft the headers, so that only the list gets the message. Another way is to get an MUA which has got the reply to list function. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2013134206.GD23428@tal
Re: Permission issue
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 11:24:39PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: On 11/10/2013 10:26 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: [...] +1 -1000! -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2013141801.GF23428@tal
Re: Permission issue
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 04:12:31PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-12 at 03:18 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 11:24:39PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: On 11/10/2013 10:26 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: [...] +1 -1000! :D It's possible, I once changed the uid for a user from 1001 to 1000 and preferences for all files using find for a FreeBSD install. I had bad LOL. The -1000 was in response to the +1. Unfortunately, we're now adding to the problem. :( Google what's wrong with me too messages. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2013170741.GC8413@tal
Re: Procedure to uninstall nvidia drivers and restore nouveau
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 04:50:36PM +, Curt wrote: On 2013-11-11, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I suspect that xorg.conf will not be removed, even not when using purge. Will the nouveau driver be unblacklisted after the purge? Ask yourself - Would you, as system administrator, expect this? then maybe. The other consideration is that if the details are in a configuration file that the system administrator has changed then I think no, but you will see a message from dpkg along the lines of directory xxx not empty so not removed I think. You could always try it and see. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2013171439.GD8413@tal
Re: Why Debian
On Sat, Nov 09, 2013 at 11:40:04AM +0200, Itay wrote: Yes, I have to sweat on doing simple things, like configuring exim4 to send out email to my public address. You'll have that problem no matter what distribution you choose. But the good thing in Debian for me is: I feel that once Ilearn to do something, the knowledge will stay with me, and will be relevant for quite some time in the future. Again, I don't think that is distribution specific. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131109210344.GB12850@tal
Re: Installing same packages in a Squeeze installation in a new Wheezy installation
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 02:20:17PM -0400, Ken Heard wrote: In a new box where the Wheezy OS will be freshly installed I want to install all the packages which I presently have in a box with Squeeze. Why can't you just upgrade? IOW, unlikely that you'll get any help with your jump through the hoops method. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131104121944.GB20448@tal
Re: 3D printer
On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 09:21:58AM -0500, Celejar wrote: On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 03:59:37 -0200 Beco r...@beco.cc wrote: Hi guys, This is an open thread, if that is allowed. What's an open thread? At a guess, opposite to a closed thread IOW anyone can contribute, although the terms don't make any sense at all on this list. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131104141808.GC24484@tal
Re: Installing same packages in a Squeeze installation in a new Wheezy installation
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 07:56:27AM -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/4/2013 7:19 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 02:20:17PM -0400, Ken Heard wrote: In a new box where the Wheezy OS will be freshly installed I want to install all the packages which I presently have in a box with Squeeze. Why can't you just upgrade? IOW, unlikely that you'll get any help with your jump through the hoops method. Maybe because it's a new box so there's nothing to upgrade? I'm looking for the same information - for the same reason. What information for what reason? If you mean to take a selection of installed packages from a Squeeze box (unfortunate name) and apply some sort of dpkg --get-selections/dpkg --set-selections onto a Wheezy box then I would advise against it. Who knows what gruels are waiting in the dark. I may be wrong, and it is a supported method, but if it coughs at some point, I'd hate to be the one to (help) clean up the mess. Instead it would make more sense to install a fresh Wheezy system and then install the top level packages you require. Or install Squeeze on the new box do the dpkg --get-selections/dpkg --set-selections thing, THEN upgrade to Wheezy. Anyone else have any better ideas? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131104145030.GE24484@tal
Re: Installing same packages in a Squeeze installation in a new Wheezy installation
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 01:03:58PM -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: So what I'm going to do is build a new server, install the same software that's on the current one, then reply the modifications to the configuration files. Once it is thoroughly tested, I will replace the old one with the new one. Normal practice I'd assume. And no, I do NOT consider this jumping through hoops. I consider JFTR. Ummm, ... neither do I. Never said it was. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131105073815.GD6457@tal
Re: Only in America! ? (was ... Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question]))
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 09:35:16PM +, Curt wrote: On 2013-10-31, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: So you could shoot kids in halloween costumes for illegally being on your property? Only if they've been through your underwear (_very_ puritanical country). If it was Halloween, it would be difficult to tell if they had. :) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131102203352.GB12542@tal
Only in America! ? (was ... Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question]))
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 03:38:12PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: Case 1: I find that someone in my family who lives in my house has rumaged through my underwear drawer. A violation of trust has occurred. I am unhappy and will talk with them and give them a harsh lecture. This is not appropriate behavior. Case 2: I find someone who is not a member of my family and who does not live in my house and who I don't know has rummaged through my underwear drawer. A very serious crime has been committed. I live in a state where I am fully legally protected if I shoot them dead. :( And yet you can't shoot the family member? I think most murders are actually committed by family members against other family members, if my memory serves me correctly. So you could shoot kids in halloween costumes for illegally being on your property? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131031182240.GC5993@tal
Re: Debian setup for python django development
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 10:07:37PM +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 28.10.2013 18:12, Gary Roach a écrit : Hi all, I have been trying to set up a python, django, mysql development project and am really confused. All of the documentation seems to ignore the apt-get installation methods used by ebian and its derivatives. Does pip install the same as Aptitude ( I don't think so). If I use virtualenvwrapper, how does this fit with the normal debian (wheezy) installation. I also need git which just confuses the situation even more. I do not know a lot of things about python development, but I think you can first try to not question yourself about how to do things. Just do them. Not helpful. For git and mysql, simply use apt-get ( or aptitude or synaptic or whatever you prefer ). Things will work out of the box. Of course, you will have to setup mysql to create DBs, but this will be the same as on any other OS. Or almost ( rights management might be more complicated than on windows, but you will probably find solutions when you will have error messages ). For django, it seems that there is a package named libqdjango-dev, and python is already installed because lot of tools depends on it. Have you actually set up a python, django, mysql development project using the Debian packages? If not, then it is best not to guess, it will just further confuse the OP! -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131031183628.GD5993@tal
Re: apt-get aptitude dependencies purge
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 08:42:18AM +0100, Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 26 Oct 2013 20:55:57 -0600 ruckusrogue ruckusro...@gmail.com napísal: Anyone know the proper tool (shell) to best remove (purge) packages and their dependencies after installing? There are three types of dependencies: + depended = required + recommended = optional Unless you explicitly set recommended to optional, then they are automatically installed. e.g. # less /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/90local APT::Default-Release jessie; APT::Install-Recommends false; APT::Acquire::Languages en; #Debug::Acquire::Ftp true; #Debug::Acquire::Http true; -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131027094700.GA29615@tal
Re: another dependency question
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 05:56:17PM +0200, François Patte wrote: Bonjour, I needed to install acroread and I did from deb-multimedia repo. No We cannot help with problems caused by third party repositories. A search via google regarding Debian multimedia problems should shed more light on the issue. IOW, deb-multimedia *IS NOT* part of Debian. Use at *YOUR OWN* risk!! -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026060201.GM358@tal
Re: another dependency question
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:24:23AM +0400, Reco wrote: On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:14:56 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 23:55 +0400, Reco wrote: 2) Embedded movies I hope they require Adobe's original flash player and a DRM registration on the Adobe homepage. Please, please I want this. Nah, that's so 1990. Currently they should require an account at a Adobe Cloud and one's first-born child :) That is a great idea! :) Afterall, it is overpopulation which is the main cause of our problems. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026060739.GN358@tal
Re: aptitude misconfigure?
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 09:19:32AM -0400, Jape Person wrote: On 10/26/2013 01:18 AM, Glenn English wrote: There are several Debian machines around, and some of them do an odd thing in Aptitude: lqk xReally quit Aptitude?x x [ Yes ][ No ] x mqj and others don't. Can anyone tell me what I did to make some of them do that to their ncurses boxes? Aptitude is the only place I've seen this (yet), and I've played with locales and googled and looked at man pages -- no joy. It has something to do with the VT-100 'graphics' chars, I think, but I can't figure out how to fix it... TIA Hi, Check the Preferences dialog in aptitude. This feature is controlled by the item: [] Prompt for confirmation at exit LOL, I believe he is referring to the strange characters! -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026150911.GF11629@tal
Re: another dependency question
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:07:17PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 12:00 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: About the fact that adobe should maintain their products... I can only agree. That's the whole point. Other distros and Debian give you and me the libre to use proprietary, restricted software. We sometimes need it and we are free to use it, but the distro maintainers can't do the support for proprietary software. My point was that Debian can't be responsible for problems caused by third party repositories (in this case, the deb.multimedia repository) I pointed the OP to a Google search where he could read/research the particular problems which have happened to people. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026152119.GG11629@tal
Re: another dependency question
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:20:06AM +0200, François Patte wrote: Le 26/10/2013 08:02, Chris Bannister a écrit : On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 05:56:17PM +0200, François Patte wrote: Bonjour, I needed to install acroread and I did from deb-multimedia repo. No We cannot help with problems caused by third party repositories. A search via google regarding Debian multimedia problems should shed more light on the issue. IOW, deb-multimedia *IS NOT* part of Debian. Use at *YOUR OWN* risk!! OK. At least some compassionate people who have encountered the same problem here, could have given me some clue. Was there no clue in my suggestion regarding a Google search? I know that debian is totally free... But there are two kinds of people People that like to put other people in categories, and those who don't. In fact, one hit from my suggested search is: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ In particular, see sections 2.7 and 2.8 -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026152946.GH11629@tal
Re: Messed up audio settings
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 11:55:44AM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: problem. Using Epiphany, I visited the YouTube site and played a music video. The sound didn't sound right. The voice sounds quieter, and like the singer is singing under water! I canceled out of it, launched iceweasel, and played the exact same video again. Now the sound is messed up in iceweasel too. Both browsers appear to be using the same audio player (Adobe Flash Player). I tried several other videos, just to make sure that there wasn't something weird about that particular video, but they all sound strange now. How do I get YouTube videos to sound right again? I tried playing around with settings in alsamixer, but nothing fixed it. I'm running an up-to-date jessie system. If you download the youtube vid¹, and play it with e.g, mplayer does it still sound strange? Presume a purge/reinstall of flashplugin-nonfree fixes it? Does a different user have this problem? Presume mp3s play ok on the command line? ¹ clive is good for this. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026165226.GA13884@tal
Re: vim doesn't have python support?
[Please don't top post on this list] On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 03:54:22PM -0400, Dale Harris wrote: I had to install vim-nox (or one of the other variants), to get python support. Might be nice if vim-python-jedi required that. Wishing for it doesn't make it happpen. Looks you have found a bug which you should report using reportbug. apt-cache show vim-python-jedi ... Recommends: vim-addon-manager apt-cache show vim-addon-manager ... Recommends: vim | gvim So you're saying just installing vim is insufficient? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131027033803.GE22908@tal
Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 07:50:40PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I really take a lot of care when I install a new software, and avoid bloated ones when it is possible. Excepted for the web browser, I am quite successful in that heroic quest. But web browsers still beat me, I can not found anyone which is stable, fast enough and not bloated. I tried lot of them, without success. lynx :) And gconf is not a 'configuration system'. To quote these ppl themselves (see /usr/share/doc/libgconf2-4/README): GConf is a configuration database system, functionally similar to the Windows registry but lots better. What is the difference between a configuration system and a configuration database system, excepted that the second one uses a database (which are tools made to handle lot of data and not configurations, as the name shows: data base, not configuration base btw) ? Not easily parsed! -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131025133951.GB18657@tal
Re: errant mouse-over behaviour.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 04:39:46PM +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote: surprised that the original mouse had developed problems when its only 10 months old, but it was made in china so who knows what quality-control they have there! You mean that you can actually buy products that aren't made in China? I'm impressed! :) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026033510.GF358@tal
Re: out to get out of an apt-get problem...
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:55:19PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: APT tries hard to tidy up anything broken. Because there are broken dependencies on your system apt is going to do nothing else until those broken items are fixed. If a car has a flat tire then you can't drive anywhere until the tire is fixed. Well, you can ... but I don't think the wheel will be much use after a while. :) What problem did you originally start out having that caused you to go down this dark and scary path? Perhaps the list can help with those. It seems he installed the ffmpeg package from deb multimedia, *now* he has problems. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026043513.GH358@tal
Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 06:14:20PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 18:47 -0400, Doug wrote: You should consider an os using the kde desktop, since it is quite similar to Windows, which is what most people are accustomed to. Windows 98, XP etc., I guess new Windows is different. Xfce is similar too and it might be better for old PCs. At least for the children it shouldn't matter, if it's similar to Windows or not. I like easy questions. What will children see on screen - hopefully no more than 5/6 icons. Unless I'm totally lost, I suspect any DE /or WM can handle that. Look into fvwm. What happens in background? That's another kettle of fish ;/ Exactly! -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026044122.GI358@tal
Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:15:00PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 25.10.2013 01:14, Richard Owlett a écrit : Unless I'm totally lost, I suspect any DE /or WM can handle that. Sorry for that, but it's your own words: you are completely lost ;) Sorry, you are! Any DE can, of course. No WM can, they simply handle windows. If they can, then they are not only WM. Plus, tiling window managers usually does not have any desktop and so, no icons. Huh? fvwm is not a DE, but can handle icons menus apps just fine!! -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131026044451.GJ358@tal
Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:34:50AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 11:21 +0200, Andre Majorel wrote:
Don't know the answer to your question but have you considered
using those PCs as disk-less X terminals using LTSP or similar ?
That might be easier to admin.
And you donate the needed infrastructure for that?
Keep the original post in mind:
Our church runs a once a week after school program for the
What happens to the money which is put into the big bowl which is passed
around each week?
children of a neighboring elementary school { in U.S.
education-speak it is a title 1 - severely underprivileged
school}. We run on donated hardware.
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Re: Hp Proliant 460c drivers
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 02:57:21PM -0500, Erick Ocrospoma wrote: Hi list, I have installed Debian 7.1 on a few hp proliant blade servers, after installing I've seen that network is not working properly. It recognises around 8 interfaces, mii-tool says that there is not any link present. I've searched on Hp support page and they only bring a small iso for hdd drivers. Does anybody has had the same trouble with this model? They are new servers, firmware is not yet updated (is scheduled for tomorrow). Googling, i've read that there's only official support for RHEL family. Anyway, we prefer using Debian rather than other distro. Hope it is possible. So? What is your question? I've seen that network is not working properly. Is that the only clue you're going to give us? :( -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131022131946.GC27307@tal
bug not sent (was ... Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 09:18:28AM -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote: Take a look if Suse by default does use hdparm for this purpose. I doubt this! There for sure is a reason that the HD's default is as it is. The distros that do cause the issue on your machine has to be informed about it. If nobody expiring this issue does report it to the distro's bug tracker, they can't fix it. OK, I tried to report a bug on this issue using reportbug. But I am not sure if I was successful. There was a warning that I skipped about exim4 thus I am not really sure if the email was sent to the reporting system. Is there another way to send the bug? In your .reportbugrc add the line: smtphost reportbug.debian.org Does it work now? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131022050633.GB27307@tal
Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:30:46PM -0300, Beco wrote: Yep, I confirm. I did this on my personal computers and two servers a while back. Kind of confusing... I almost lost one of the servers. I hope as time and Debian evolves, these procedures go safer and safer. Several transitions may take place in sid/testing over the life of a stable release, hence when it comes time to upgrade to the next stable there may be a couple of gotchas. But all this will be documented in the releasenotes and must be read *BEFORE* doing the upgrade. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131020030501.GC23383@tal
Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)
[How about being a bit more proactive with the trimming, guys.] On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 02:19:13PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Take windows, and say honestly that it does not contains applications? explorer, mspaint, calc, msconfig, notepad, etc. Those are applications, nothing more, nothing less, and they are part of the OS. Unless I am very much mistaken, IE is heavily tied in with the OS code. That is a big part of what is wrong with the design. I don't know if things have changed in that regard. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131020033233.GF23383@tal
Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 01:46:48PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 03:43:21PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I know I wont teach that to anyone here, but modems are not computing stuff, at all. They are simply here to transform numeric signals to analogical ones, and vice versa. I wonder why someone would explicitly call the boxes router-modem... Ummm, Under the router which is plugged into the phone line: ADSL2+ WiFi Modem Router (without the hyphen!) Under my other router Wireless router and yes, it has no modem capability (as the name implies!) Umm... the wireless part is a modem. What do you think is talking over-the-air? For some reason I've been assuming DSL modem regarding this discussion. But, mea culpa, if there is any reference to DSL, then of course the modem is built in. I presume vici versa applies(?) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131016115302.GB30540@tal
Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 03:43:21PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I know I wont teach that to anyone here, but modems are not computing stuff, at all. They are simply here to transform numeric signals to analogical ones, and vice versa. I wonder why someone would explicitly call the boxes router-modem... Ummm, Under the router which is plugged into the phone line: ADSL2+ WiFi Modem Router (without the hyphen!) Under my other router Wireless router and yes, it has no modem capability (as the name implies!) So IOW, if you are purchasing a router which you also wish to use as a modem then it better be written on the box!, cause the store owners won't take too kindly in ripping off the shrink wrap to examine the contents. Nobody does, ... Huh? See above for reasons to distinguish them For routers, it is quite obvious that it will need to be able to communicate with networks it is connected to, so really no use for the modem word here. Unless you need one with a modem! -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131015173230.GA6144@tal
Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 02:38:40PM +, Curt wrote: On 2013-10-14, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Now that you say it, it's obvious. I was simply thinking that HTML was the source of the problem, because I only noticed such problems with HTML mails. Was a stupid reasoning. I can see how one might think that the noobs who use html for simple text messages on mailing lists are the same exact noobs who don't know enough to wrap their fricking lines. But actually there are two overlapping sets, A and B, of which the intersection (A ∩ B) consists of noobs who both use html and write long, unwrapped lines that go off the screen--exit, stage right--the worst of both worlds, so to speak. If you use the webmail interface, this can happen also. Even if you change to plain/text mode the long lines still occur unless you explicitly insert a return/enter, yourself. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131015174008.GB6144@tal
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:10:09AM -0300, Marcelo Lacerda wrote: Just to make it clear in my normal package management these are *all* commands that I use: # apt-get update # apt-get upgrade # apt-get dist-upgrade # apt-get install foo-bar # apt-get install -f # apt-get remove|purge foo-bar $ apt-cache search foo $ apt-cache policy foo-bar $ dpkg -L foo-bar Another handy one: # dpkg -S /path/to/file I really don't remember a time that I needed anything more complex than any of the above commands. +10,000 -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131015175252.GC6144@tal
Re: mediatomb install fails on wheezy
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 08:42:29PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/stable.html thank you for this useful link. how come mediatomb is not listed here. It should be in category: Number that have a fix prepared and waiting to upload: Still no. If there is a bug (and not only a misconfiguration on your machine) then mediatomb has nothing to do with it. The bug report against mediatomb does not relate to wheezy at all. It is about the same version as in wheezy but the bug only arises when this version is in testing. I think that it is not necessary to install apt-listbugs if you are just running stable. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131015180441.GD6144@tal
Re: Sharing Internet to Android Devices
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 01:08:34PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-10-15 at 15:23 +0530, J B wrote: On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:29:38 +0600 Muntasim-Ul-Haque tranjees...@inventati.org wrote: Hi, I want to share Internet from my Debian to my Android phone. How can I do that? use wifi router That is something different ;). The OP was asking for ad-hoc. IOW use ad-hoc. FWIW I need ad-hoc myself, but it doesn't work between my Linux machine and a tablet PC. I use a wifi modem router to connect my Android to the Internet. Maybe the OP should explain his requirements. (Does he want to set up his Android as an AP? [-- I didn't read it as such.]) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131015181758.GE6144@tal
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 01:10:14PM -0300, msl09 wrote: Oh I have fond memories of aptitude breaking my system. Once it suggested me to remove most of my system, including apt, I thought it was going to upgrade it so I confirmed it. I had to reinstall apt from the debian packages website. In this new installation I gave it another try but when it started suggesting very weird plans(like remove all gnome packages) ... It seems like aptitude has gotten a lot smarter lately. :) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013170233.GD25339@tal
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 02:56:13AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 19:40 -0400, Tom H wrote: I suspect that the problem's in the examples above are simply PEBKAC. Likely, since the libre to break a system temporarily sometimes is needed to fix issues, or to make transitions. We are humans, so something like Once it suggested me to remove most of my system, including apt, I thought it was going to upgrade it so I confirmed it happens from time to time. ... Is it that badly worded? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013170434.GE25339@tal
Re: which MTA to choose for a simple client?
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 02:05:23PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: May be 3 years ago now, but I tried various options back then, and mpop was the fastest (really fast compared to fetchmail) which did not have other problems for me, at that time. Three years is a long time for a piece of software, a lot can improve in that time. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013171254.GF25339@tal
Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 12:11:01AM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: If you own a system you control it and can do whatever you like with it. You can give yourself whatever label you want (sysadmin, superuser, top dog etc) - it matters not. How about Debian Despot? Oh, of course, if you speak about giving yourself a label, then, fine. Take the one you want. But, it does not mean that you can claim to be a professional, or that you can say someone is a professional. Nowhere has anyone said that administering your own system makes you a professional system administrator. But whether you like it or not, if you own a linux system then you have to take up system administrator duties, IOW you are *the* system administrator. Take the label you want. But if you take the label of programmer because you can only write a hello world, and will own the source code. But then do not be surprised if other people gives you the label of liar. WTF! What is this label business? Do qualifications exist in your country? When someone applies for a job, whatever label they give themselves doesn't matter a hoot, if they don't have the necessary experience/qualifications then they won't get the job. Is the level of corruption in your country an issue in this regard? It is the same with sysadmin. You can own your computer, be only able to install softwares and use those excuses to label yourself a sysadmin. But then, other people are also free to give you the label of liar. Don't confuse role and profession/career. A person can be a weekend mechanic (role) but not be a mechanic (profession/career). The truth here is simple: you are not what you want, only other people can define who you really are. That is very sad that you think this way. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013184132.GG25339@tal
Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 09:19:18PM +0100, Joe wrote: though most include routers and other useless stuff. ..when it is normally customary to refer to them as routers. Pedants might call them modem-routers, but nobody else does. Um, you can get routers without a modem, so the difference is important and not just pedantry! -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013185350.GH25339@tal
Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 04:48:12PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: This has nothing to do with Windows. You need to set your MUA to use word wrap. Stop bitching about Windows and fix your MUA. Umm no. The above is what *YOU* sent! Official third party repository :D. Your MUA is broken, not my MUA! +1089 -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131013191654.GI25339@tal
Re: ukash hijacked iceweasel
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 11:54:41PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I've got Ghostery installed, I'm using Ghostery to detect trackers, but I can't find how to use it to disable scripts. Install the extension/addon 'noscript' -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131014030057.GA3831@tal
Re: Ethernet bonding mode 5 only using one Slave adapter.
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 02:41:12PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: i am using bond mode balance-alb. and here is my /etc/network/interfaces file ## # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The primary network interface allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 10.X.X.221 netmask 255.255.255.0 auto bond0 iface bond0 inet static address 10.5.X.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 newtork 10.5.x.0 gateway 10.5.x.9 slaves eth2 eth3 #bond-mode active-backup bond-mode balance-alb bond-miimon 100 bond-downdelay 200 same setting is on other end. any help would be highly appreciated. Are you sure this is a Debian related problem? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131009070441.GA8241@tal
Re: What does 'apt' in /etc/cron.daily do?
On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 07:57:46AM +, Curt wrote: On 2013-10-06, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: I think that comment was basically that /etc/cron.daily/apt doesn't have anything to do with log rotation. So you are barking up the wrong tree. Maybe he thought that given the apt script is run before the logrotate script in cron.daily (if indeed they're handled in alphabetical order? (apparently, yes, they're run in 'lexical sort order' order according to the run-parts man page)), if the apt script hung for any reason, the logrotate script would never get past the bottleneck, thus explaining his problem. Remember what Benny Hill said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6jaKkE0RsI -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131007102336.GA17340@tal
Re: What does 'apt' in /etc/cron.daily do?
On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 12:09:27PM +, Curt wrote: On 2013-10-07, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: Remember what Benny Hill said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6jaKkE0RsI but not an assumption a statement that is assumed to be true and from which a conclusion can be drawn; a hypothesis that is taken for granted Ah, that sounds more like presume: http://www.grammarly.com/answers/questions/1073-what-is-the-difference-between-assume-and-presume/ -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131007122107.GA19073@tal
Re: What does 'apt' in /etc/cron.daily do?
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 10:39:38AM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: Logrotation is not happening for some reason, so stumbling around What is output of: apt-cache policy logrotate investigating and ran up on /etc/cron.daily/apt Are we on the same page here? What is the /etc/cron.daily/apt script supposed to do? Package management via cron. Looking thru the script, I couldn't make heads or tails of it. I can see I why it could be confusing. :-) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131006104340.GC24494@tal
Re: Mounting a Samsung Galaxy S3.
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 10:34:20AM +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote: I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 which I am attempting to connect to ... [..] anyone got any ideas of what I could try next to mount my phone please? If you have a wireless router, have a look at the app AirDroid. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131006114805.GD24494@tal
[OT] Trim your posts. (was ... Re: ...)
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 07:46:11PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: [Dunno, tl:dr] How about taking time to trim your posts instead of allowing them to build into an unreadable mess. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131006121514.GA26588@tal
Re: [SOLVED] Re: Mounting a Samsung Galaxy S3.
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 01:28:32PM +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote: Yes Chris, I have and 'airdroid' does work well, but it requires you to have the webpage for it to be opened and airdroid running on the phone all at the same time, and the webpage does eventually time out. Whereas pcmanfm works from the desktop and the phone is passive all the time, and neither times out. Didn't know about the timeout problem, thanks for mentioning it. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131006130828.GA27437@tal
Re: mediatomb install fails on wheezy
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 05:09:21PM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: hi, Trying to install mediatomb on wheezy, I got: serious bugs of mediatomb (- 0.12.1-4) marked as done in some version #677959 - mediatomb: fails to build against current version of libavformat (Fixed: mediatomb/0.12.1-5) I have several question about this error: What does the bug report say about #677959? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677959 1/ what means fixed mediatomb/0.12.1-5 ? The bug no longer exists in version 0.12.1-5 [bug triaging snipped] NB: after that, I downloaded the source, and built it succesfully !! (still version 0.12.1-4) So *you* couldn't reproduce it, doesn't mean bug doesn't exist for someone. (e.g. did you use same libavformat source as bug submitter?) So, I still don't understand why apt-get install fails. FTBFS, etc are source package errors have nothing to do with apt-get install failing. Humans still need to read the output of apt-listbugs and decide for themselves whether that bug will affect them. 4/ more generally, I had recently a lot of such apt-listbugs errors when trying to install packages. This seems surprizing for a distro released about 6 monts ago. *Anyone* can submit a bug at *anytime*. Note: I have no knowledge of this bug, and have not read the bug report. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131007043956.GA10516@tal
Re: Re: How to install latest VLC 2.1.0 in debian
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 11:15:05AM +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote: Actually, I just changed the subject of another thread and it came up as a different thread on mailing list! I will try out the deb-multimedia repository. Thanks! Just be aware of the problems in doing so. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131005121801.GC22664@tal
[OT] List software, duplicate mail, or not. (was ... Re: Building computer)
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 05:44:44AM -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote: On 10/03/2013 05:11 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: No apology necessary. I'm on many open lists (LKML) where hitting reply-to-list only goes to the sender. So I've been guilty myself a few times. so that is list specific... I wondered, because sometimes I hit reply it goes to the person, other times it goes to the list.. Thunderbird.. I think it has been discussed before, but depending on the list software used and the settings, if someone CC's you then you get a private mail but not a list mail - it still goes to the list, it's just that *you* don't get a copy! It seems as though this started because people who are from Windows might get confused with getting two copies of a mail!!! A couple of times I recd a private email which was also addressed to a list and deleted it (because it makes more sense to reply to the list, obviously) but when I opened that list's mailbox -- it wasn't there!! None of the Debian lists I am subscribed to have this serious problem. There is a personal setting which you can change from your subscription page, (you're given a password and reminded monthly what is is) which you can toggle: (unfortunately, on some lists default is yes.) (*) No ( ) Yes Avoid duplicate copies of messages? When you are listed explicitly in the To: or Cc: headers of a list message, you can opt to not receive another copy from the mailing list. Select Yes to avoid receiving copies from the mailing list; select No to receive copies. - Sorry to labour the point, but what is happening to logic in the world today? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131005040546.GC740@tal
Re: [OT]Re: any utility to change ip
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 11:12:35PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 23 September 2013 12:54:42 Chris Bannister wrote: Here, some people (esp. the media) have this annoying habit of saying dub dub dub instead of WWW What about dubya dubya dubya? I always hear that as Dubya (i.e. a name!). ;-) You mean like George Dubya Bush? :) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131004035416.GD13589@tal
Re: unsuscibe
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:35:46PM +0100, Marc Stephan Nkouly wrote: how do i go out of the list ??? the subject is not within my knowledge, thanks The subject, unsuscibe is not within mine either. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131002062324.GJ3550@tal
Re: Problem with kernel-image-3.10-2-amd64
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 02:57:54AM +0300, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: On 09/30/2013 02:03 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Georgi Naplatanov wrote: On 09/29/2013 05:24 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:52:00AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: add 'rootdelay=5'(w/o the quotes) to the boot parameters. Is this a known problem for this kernel? Yes, it's written in the release notes. You have a link for that? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#boot-timing Sigh! If you read the OP: I got it running in wheezy then went to jessie and while I was running the 3.2 kernel from wheezy it booted fine. Then I upgraded the kernel to 3.10 in jessie and it says it can't find the volume goup. The link you give mentions neither jessie, nor kernel 3.10 in particular. So I presume it is not a known problem FOR THE 3.10 kernel? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130930133150.GE22494@tal
Re: DRBD protocol A understanding.
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:10:35PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: just asking for understanding/learning, i have been using DRBD Protocol C for quite some time. however it is said that Protocol A, is for WAN. and my question is why it is suitable for WAN. Wrong list! -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130930134933.GG22494@tal
Re: Problem with kernel-image-3.10-2-amd64
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 05:16:38PM +0300, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: I had impression that 'rootdelay=5' had solved your problem and that is why I gave you that link. If you read the thread, you will see it was not me. Also note, it was another poster (Hugo) who suggested that the OP try 'rootdelay=5' to see if it helped. To your question - if 'rootdelay=5' solves your problem then it's a known problem. Incorrect. A known problem is one that is explicitly documented for that specific version of software. I can see that language barriers may confuse the meaning of words. Think of the well known ports 1-1024 as an example of the use of the word known. It is the same usage in regards to a known bug. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130930145059.GA25109@tal
Re: duplicate emails
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:43:57AM -0400, Catherine Gramze wrote: But what is this unusual formatting of which you speak? Is it me using RTF instead of plain text as my default setting, perhaps? See above, no line breaks. Putting that aside for a minute, you should set your mailer to plain text. You are sending html formatted mail to the list which is a no no, but since it is multipart/alternative there is a plain text copy as an attachment also. Regarding the formatting, you could hit the enter key after about 60 characters or so. (May not be easy to count them though.) Have a google on the mailer name +formatting for a setting in a user/system preference file -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130929093448.GN18437@tal
Re: Problem with kernel-image-3.10-2-amd64
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:52:00AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Shane Johnson wrote: I have been fighting this all night and was wondering if anyone else has been having problems as well? I am doing a new install via debootstrap to a lvm2 volume via the wheezy rescue disk. I got it running in wheezy then went to jessie and while I was running the 3.2 kernel from wheezy it booted fine. Then I upgraded the kernel to 3.10 in jessie and it says it can't find the volume goup. I have made sure that initrd is updated and grub is updated. Not sure on what the next step would be or if this is just a bug that I need to wait for it to be resolved or if I need to submit a bug? Thanks for your help. add 'rootdelay=5'(w/o the quotes) to the boot parameters. Is this a known problem for this kernel? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130929142414.GF6820@tal
Re: cron and package upgrade
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 03:45:01PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2013-09-29 at 01:15 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:20:39AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: During important upgrades such as locales, I avoid doing things like starting an xterm... Usually, already running applications You do system upgrades WITH X running? :( If there is a problem with the upgrade of X, you could end up with a borked system, or one that is going to be a PITA to fix. If something should cause such an issue by an update while X is running, then I would restore from a backup and then do the backup with X not running. (We're talking about an important upgrade. i.e 6.0 - 7.0) Its easier not to open the can of worms in the first place, unless of course you like putting them back, as a learning experience. Consider ... during the upgrade X freezes. You now have the nasty decision to risk a reboot (so you can perform the restore.) If it does reboot, you'd better hope the restore suceeds! And to top it all off, you are now back at square one, where a reboot into single user mode would have been a lot easier. I also think that an important upgrade. i.e 6.0 - 7.0) should be planned and then executed with the posibility that something will go wrong, ideally having tested the upgrade on a non descript machine (preferrably a test machine, for this purpose.) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130929150354.GJ6820@tal
Re: Code Of Conduct (was ... Re: Security?)
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 03:15:57PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: So is it ok to post such a link? It does say that swearing is illegal on packet radio, which some people use to read the ML. So understanding that, and also that swearing is unnecesary on a support ML, I'd say you have your answer. IOW, if there are swear words in the link, and you don't want to get anyone in trouble with the law, then DON'T post it. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130928130611.GG18437@tal
Re: cron and package upgrade
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:20:39AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: During important upgrades such as locales, I avoid doing things like starting an xterm... Usually, already running applications You do system upgrades WITH X running? :( If there is a problem with the upgrade of X, you could end up with a borked system, or one that is going to be a PITA to fix. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130928131526.GH18437@tal
kernel compilation (was ... Re: Building computer)
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:57:43PM -0300, Beco wrote: On 26 September 2013 22:22, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: (I've compiled a kernel on a netbook; you'd better have a few hours to spare...) Questions for people who compile kernel and their machines: You are better off starting a new thread. You could create a subtopic by changing the subject. Now unfortunately, information about compiling a kernel is buried in a thread about building a computer. :( There are plenty of examples where someone has interrupted a conversation in a thread: e.g. Subject: How do you cook brocolli? (was Re: dpkg errors out installing...) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130929054152.GK18437@tal
Code Of Conduct (was ... Re: Security?)
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 09:33:26PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Btw. fxg a sheep in Germany is allowed, so claiming asylum should http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct * Do not use foul language; besides, some people receive the lists via packet radio, where swearing is illegal. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130923065617.GF23041@tal
Re: any way to get the mouse position on two places on the screen?
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 05:34:22AM -0400, Albretch Mueller wrote: You can tell ffmpeg to screen capture one area of the screen and make a clip JFYI, apt-cache show ffmpeg [...] This package contains the deprecated ffmpeg program. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130923071220.GG23041@tal
Re: find'ing files containing certain words (all of them) ...
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 12:00:54PM -0400, Albretch Mueller wrote: I have come to believe this is one of those problems that is not to be optimally solved with a script, but a programming language What's the difference? OK, you give a script to the cast and a program to the audience, but other than that it gets difficult to discern them. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130923073229.GH23041@tal
Re: Code Of Conduct (was ... Re: Security?)
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:13:37AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 18:56 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 09:33:26PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Btw. fxg a sheep in Germany is allowed, so claiming asylum should http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct * Do not use foul language; besides, some people receive the lists via packet radio, where swearing is illegal. It's a quote from a link that was posted by somebody else. I was thinking about it myself, ok, in the future I'll take care about this. Assumed I would post a link, is it ok to post a link with similar content? Perhaps interesting for the one who posted the link too. Btw. in Germany the word that describes a sexual action isn't swearing. If you don't want to abide by the CoC, then you will abide by the consequences. Although, you may want to have a look at, these for an alternate view: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ0Ny6WhfLU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_osQvkeNRM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVkckG6zw6I Disclaimer: Don't view if you are easily offended. Just because something offends you doesn't mean you're right! - Ricky Gervais. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130923113109.GB10219@tal
Re: [OT]Re: any utility to change ip
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 04:41:53PM +, Curt wrote: What's really interesting is that people say WWW (nine syllables), instead of World Wide Web (three). Here, some people (esp. the media) have this annoying habit of saying dub dub dub instead of WWW Akela should feed them to the wolfpack for plagarism. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130923115441.GC10219@tal
Re: Broken threads and missing quotations
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 10:50:02PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2013-09-22 at 12:55 -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: don't trim quotes Some days ago I trimmed quotes on Linux audio users/developers and was ask to quote everything, because out of context the quotes would be manipulating the content. Huh? With a decent MUA that understands threads the problem no longer exists. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130923115741.GD10219@tal
Re: Broken threads and missing quotations
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 09:46:51AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 9/23/13, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: _Please_ people. The idea is that we should help each other and that that help should be available in the archive for searchers to find. We need to be both legible and comprehensible. I agree. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201309221901.55296.lisi.re...@gmail.com And yet ... you quote the signature. Why? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130923120026.GE10219@tal
Re: Broken threads and missing quotations
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 05:56:45AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 09:46 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Please avoid breaking threads To add this line won't help, because _most_ users aren't aware what breaking a thread does mean. They'll soon learn. The idea is not to encourage bad behaviour. If they persist, ignore them and hopefully they'll either change their evil ways or bugg$@r off. It's much easier to sort by something else, instead of the thread. The easiest way is not always the best way. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130923120517.GF10219@tal
Re: Code Of Conduct (was ... Re: Security?)
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 01:45:37PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 23:31 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: I still miss an answer, if it's allowed to post such links, that contain words as the unwanted word I quoted from the link. I suggest to censor them ... i.e. bas%#@d, f@*#!g, etc. and perhaps a [censored by me] explanation. Although, you may want to have a look at, these for an alternate view: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ0Ny6WhfLU Flash needed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_osQvkeNRM Not available http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVkckG6zw6I Not available Disclaimer: Don't view if you are easily offended. I don't view it, because I don't have the time to change the IP so that they might be available, handle flash content, turn on the mixing console etc.. Ouch! Sorry, didn't realise the censorship was THAT bad. Just because something offends you doesn't mean you're right! - Ricky Gervais. I'm not offended by your mails ... That quote was just thrown in for an alternative viewpoint. There are a lot of people who think that if you offend someone then you are doing something wrong. e.g. Genuine concerns about the harm religion is doing to the world. (Ricky Gervais is an ACTIVE atheist.) Check him out on YouTube, re: Noah's Ark ... oops sorry ... probably censored. :( -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130923130115.GB11918@tal
Re: What is location for building/ installing system-wide software?
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:00:53PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: In the past, I found that the Debian packaged FreeCiv was buggy. Since then, I've downloaded and built from source. Did you report a bug, like a good citizen? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130920163228.GD13661@tal
Re: Mutt / addressbook
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:03:25PM -0700, Josef Bailey wrote: Hello I'm trying to use the abook app to add an anddressbook into mut (If im correct it uses alias) [...] Any ideas The mutt mailing list is really the list you should be using: http://www.mutt.org/mail-lists.html -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130920165105.GE13661@tal
Re: any utility to change ip
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 01:01:41PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: Did you forget the Enter key? 1 i 2 p 3 SPACE 4 a 5 ENTER root@tal:~# echo ip a|wc -m 5 Ahh! implicit ENTER -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130920202731.GA23342@tal
Re: a question concerning rxvt-unicode and update-alternatives
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 01:46:22PM +0100, Matej Kosik wrote: Hi, I would like to set rxvt-unicode program as x-terminal-enulator. Is this supposed to be possible? The rxvt-unicode program is now already installed, but when it does not seemed to be offered in: update-alternatives --list x-terminal-emulator None of the existing options: /usr/bin/aterm-xterm /usr/bin/koi8rxterm /usr/bin/lxterm /usr/bin/rxvt-xpm /usr/bin/rxvt-xterm /usr/bin/urxvt /usr/bin/uxterm /usr/bin/xterm seems to provide unicode support. I am using Debian testing (Jessie), currently. Report a bug on rxvt-unicode. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130917143413.GB12457@tal
Re: a question concerning rxvt-unicode and update-alternatives
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 01:46:22PM +0100, Matej Kosik wrote: Hi, I would like to set rxvt-unicode program as x-terminal-enulator. Is this supposed to be possible? Oops, disregard my mail about reporting a bug. I was a bit too quick reading the thread. :( -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130917143818.GC12457@tal
Re: Choosing among Desktop Enviroments and/or Windows Managers
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 01:57:54PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Desktop environments lean towards over kill. In that case, have a look at fvwm. http://www.fvwm.org/ -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130917144807.GD12457@tal
Re: find and copy [Solved]
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 12:19:39PM -0500, Craig L. wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 12:52:09PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: You should be bonza, fab, good to go :) [...] Well I don't know about bonza, and I thought fab was back in the sixties :). http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1002177.stm -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130917150811.GE12457@tal
Re: One-Stop Debian Box Config Tool: Call for Collaborators!
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:34:35PM -0700, Jarrod O'Flaherty wrote: I'm thinking along the lines of a Wiki style system where the (expert user) community contributes the recipes to the database, in much the same way that they currently contribute to the message board database by answering people's posted queries. It might be interesting if it didn't involve a yucky horrible forum style interface. I believe that sentence is an oxymoron. :) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130914112619.GA15641@tal
Re: where is pryzor pkg
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 09:16:17PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: I read in several places that there is a debian pkg for the mail filter tool `pryzor', however aptitude can find no hint of it. aptitude search pryzor Turns up no hits. Maybe I need something added to my sources.list. Currently it looks like: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main ^^^ Why have a deb-src for security, but for none of the others? You may as well get rid of it. Also, you are not consistent with your naming scheme, it is recommended to use the codename for the distrib. So: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free is all you need, because jessie IS testing. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130914035328.GB12566@tal
