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Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere
On 20-08-2021 01:12, Steve McIntyre wrote: > wea...@riseup.net wrote: >>On 16-08-2021 11:29, lou wrote: >>> Andrew, i thought you r moderator because you post monthly list guideline >>> >>> and you speak kindly with some authority when some list user deviate >> >>By reputation, the list is unmoderated, and that's the way it used to >>be. >>It still bears the token title of an unmoderated list but, in reality, a >>small collective of the politically correct have placed it under their >>auspices to moderate it. They have all the rationale, they believe, to >>do so, but this is quite in contradiction with the principles of open >>source, so it's an interesting phenomenon to observe. > > For the avoidance of doubt... > > The debian-user list may be listed as "not moderated", but that just > means that posting is open by default. This mailing list, like all > Debian-hosted mailing lists, is subject to both the Debian mailing > list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct: > > https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct > https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct > > As Andrew points out in his excellent and helpful regular posting: > > Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad > behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders. And who is it who determines what is `inappropriate'? > If you're trying to label that as "politically correct" then I think > you may need to change your expectations. The "principles of open > source" do not include a free pass to be abusive to others. And, who is being abusive? Building strawmen to knock over does not qualify as cogent argument. Cheers! Harry. -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them)
On 19-08-2021 16:23, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 01:34:24AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: >>What if ? What if there wasn't any *bad* user ? You are the one bringing >>over old subject that you consider off-topic. You seem really touched by >>giving your self a role as governor of a mailing list or policing what's >>acceptable and not. But don't seem to understand that the community >>itself made the choice of having this list un-moderated. > > I can't speak for Brian but I've been subscribed to this list for a long > time and I've seen a change in how it is being used, which I think is > harmful to its core purpose, and so I (and others) are trying to find a > way to fix that. With respect, you've only been active here for a very > short while, so you don't have the perspective that others do on the > problem. > > People posting off-topic and going off on tangents has always happened. Correct! > What has changed is the frequency and duration of those tangents, which > are now drowning out everything else. Do you really think it's that bad? I can remember back when I would wake up in the morning to have over 300 list messages on screen. And, many of those were Off-Topic but, usually, people were reasonably active in labelling them as such. On the other hand, the majority, as it is now, would be on topic. Some _technically_ productive content would be there, and often, once that purpose had been served, many of those would become off-topic, also. But, as I have recently stated, interaction, within a community, is important, whether the content is on or off-topic. Within reason. When carried to the extreme, it's not productive. And, further, those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. We've had an off-topic mailing list in the past. I actually signed up for it and spent a little time there. It was a ghost town. It simply didn't work. Cheers! Harry. -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them)
On 18-08-2021 09:04, Brian wrote: > On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 14:56:30 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > [...] > >> Hmm, afaiac, it would be nice to have an off-topic list with the hopes of a >> lot >> of the people on debian-user might subscribe to it. > > Nice? Really? There was one. It failed abysmally in its task. The boys > and girls post here what they want when they want. 150+ off-topic posts > in a recent thread, ranging from comments on user behaviour to plonking > to 300 baud modems. Self-discipline abandonned. > >> Somewhat relevant to the subject of an off-topic mailing list, I'm now >> puzzling >> over why an NiMH AA battery tested to hold 18 maHrs seems to power an LED >> flashilight for many hours longer than an NiMH AAA battery tested to hold 120 >> maHrs (ratio is like 24 hours to 3 hours -- how can that possibly be? (I'd >> give a few more details if I was actually askinjg the question on that off- >> topic mail list. > > This paragrapgh illustrates my point. Something is suggested then taken > immediately off-topic. All in the space of a single mail. There isn't > any solution. Lie back and think of Debian :). :-D Well, that's exactly what it serves! There's a narrow viewpoint present that believes anything that deviates from the subject of Debian weakens Debian, when it's _exactly_ the opposite. Debian is a community project. It's strength is reliant on its community. If that community is limited, it limits Debian. The more the the community aspect is developed, the better off Debian is, because it's Debian which benefits. In this thread, we have had an active demonstration of this. A member of the Debian community required information in relation to an `off-topic' subject. He received the assistance he required from other members. Relationships are built, so the sense of community builds. Consequently, Debian benefits. Cheers! Harry. -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them)
On 18-08-2021 04:56, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 10:54:34 AM SDA wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 03:01:43PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: >> > On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 08:26:34AM -0400, SDA wrote: >> > > BTW there has been an off-topic list introduced by a community member, >> > > but it seems has had little uptake. >> > >> > I looked into this the other day, because I hadn't seen reference to it >> > for a while. It was called d-community-offtopic; it was hosted on the >> > Alioth server, and I think its eventual demise was when Alioth was >> > turned off in around 2018. >> > >> > The last non-spam message to it was, I think, in 2016. The archives are >> > here: >> > >> > https://alioth-lists-archive.debian.net/pipermail/d-community-offtopic.mb >> > ox/ >> >> Thanks for the update Jonathan. > > Hmm, afaiac, it would be nice to have an off-topic list with the hopes of a > lot > of the people on debian-user might subscribe to it. > > Somewhat relevant to the subject of an off-topic mailing list, I'm now > puzzling > over why an NiMH AA battery tested to hold 18 maHrs seems to power an LED > flashilight for many hours longer than an NiMH AAA battery tested to hold 120 > maHrs (ratio is like 24 hours to 3 hours -- how can that possibly be? (I'd > give a few more details if I was actually askinjg the question on that off- > topic mail list. ... and I hope another Debian-user will be able to help you. Cheers! Harry. -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere
On 16-08-2021 11:56, Jeremy Ardley wrote: > On 16/8/21 9:45 am, Weaver wrote: >> >> By reputation, the list is unmoderated, and that's the way it used to >> be. >> It still bears the token title of an unmoderated list but, in reality, a >> small collective of the politically correct have placed it under their >> auspices to moderate it. They have all the rationale, they believe, to >> do so, but this is quite in contradiction with the principles of open >> source, so it's an interesting phenomenon to observe. >> Cheers! >> >> Harry. > > Wait till you try and do any editing on Wikipedia, especially on > controversial topics. > > Then you'll find all about self appointed politically correct assholes > who by virtue of being there first have established an ecosystem where > anyone not toeing the line is neutered. > > I don't think this is accidental, and you can see clear signs of > continuous influence by major players using Wikipedia 'editors' to > further various agendas. Yes, I do a lot of research, so need to cite frequently. I might reference Wikipedia, but never in isolation, and generally extract a quote, because that could change tomorrow. Any idiot can edit a page there. Cheers! Harry. -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere
On 16-08-2021 11:29, lou wrote: > Andrew, i thought you r moderator because you post monthly list guideline > > and you speak kindly with some authority when some list user deviate By reputation, the list is unmoderated, and that's the way it used to be. It still bears the token title of an unmoderated list but, in reality, a small collective of the politically correct have placed it under their auspices to moderate it. They have all the rationale, they believe, to do so, but this is quite in contradiction with the principles of open source, so it's an interesting phenomenon to observe. Cheers! Harry. -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: how to to start X Window in debian-live-11.0.0-i386-standard.iso
On 15-08-2021 13:03, lou wrote: > i've copied debian-live-11.0.0-i386-standard.iso to USB stick and run it > > X app are included, but how to start X Window? At the prompt, type `startx'. Depending on permissions, you may need to become root. Cheers! Harry. -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: PSA: 'apt-get update' new-Debian-release error fix
On 15-08-2021 10:02, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-08-14 at 19:49, Brad Rogers wrote: > >> On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 19:28:32 -0400 Greg Wooledge >> wrote: >> >> Hello Greg, >> >>> It will be interesting to see if anyone else reports the same >>> problem you're seeing. >> >> I experienced it here. >> >> I usually use Synaptic to perform updates. Synaptic put up the >> warning message about the codename change, but I could find no way to >> explicitly accept the changes in Synaptic. As The Wanderer >> suggested, I ran 'apt update' from a command line and followed the >> prompts. >> >> I will add that my sources lists refer only to 'testing', and do not >> use version codenames at all. > > As do I. It may be possible that this is what makes the difference. I always use distribution and never versioning, but have never experienced this problem. Cheers! Harry -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Intel nuc 11 i5 kit 安裝debian後，首次開機就失敗，黑化面左上角遊標一直閃
On 15-08-2021 06:39, lou wrote: > more complete translation of subject: > > after debian installation, first boot fails, cursor in upper-left corner > blinks >From that, it sounds as if the installation has been successful, but he has omitted to install a desktop environment. He is still in a position to do so via apt-get as root. Cheers, Harry. -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Intel nuc 11 i5 kit 安裝debian後，首次開機就失敗，黑化面左上角遊標一直閃
On 15-08-2021 06:32, lou wrote: > Antonio Russo, you don't understand Chinese language? i'm afraid you can't > help > > OP might not understand English > > in OP's subject, he says debian installation fails, cursor in > upper-left corner blinks > > in OP's message body, he want to you to explain message in journal: > > the unit systemd-hostname.service has successfully entered the 'dead' state These might be more useful for him. My Mandarin is far too limited, at this stage, to help. https://lists.debian.org/debian-chinese-big5/ https://lists.debian.org/debian-chinese-gb/ Cheers! Harry. -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On 14-08-2021 07:37, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > On 2021-08-13 5:31 p.m., Weaver wrote: >> On 14-08-2021 07:17, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> On 2021-08-13 4:59 p.m., John Hasler wrote: >>>> Stefan writes: >>>>> How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style >>>>> representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly. >>>> >>>> No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the >>>> sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the >>>> bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a >>>> particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk". >>>> >>>> I've never seen any point in telling the world (or the plonked >>>> individual) about the action, though. >>>> >>> I have serious doubt against the "plonked" being able to appreciate what >>> is happening to him. Most of the time, they won't stop and will just >>> continue to argue against themselves. Something trying to use words from >>> language they don't even master while trying to do so. >> >> This would be typical: waxing wisely on a term they were obviously not >> familiar with, five minutes ago, when they enquired after it. >> Cheers! >> > This would be typical of not understand some simple second degree use of > words. Could it be possible that I have another word that I use for > "plonk" ? A word that can be substituted for ? Pretty much... I call > this being "punked", maybe it's more used orally in Ontario and Eastern > Canada than in writing. > > I don't know what you are trying to prove here, except maybe that you > are worth being associated with the word stated earlier ? I think you'll find mailing lists are international in nature. Cheers! Harry. -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
On 14-08-2021 07:17, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-08-13 4:59 p.m., John Hasler wrote: >> Stefan writes: >>> How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style >>> representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly. >> >> No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the >> sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the >> bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a >> particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plonk". >> >> I've never seen any point in telling the world (or the plonked >> individual) about the action, though. >> > I have serious doubt against the "plonked" being able to appreciate what > is happening to him. Most of the time, they won't stop and will just > continue to argue against themselves. Something trying to use words from > language they don't even master while trying to do so. This would be typical: waxing wisely on a term they were obviously not familiar with, five minutes ago, when they enquired after it. Cheers! Harry. -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012
On 13-08-2021 15:08, deloptes wrote: > Brian wrote: > >> Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that >> a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PDL >> in addition to PWG raster and PCLm. >> >>> And all of the condition make a printer pretty much driver less. >>> >>> There's no link with you talking about AirPrint. >> >> That avoids any meaningful dialog (and is incorrect). > > @Brian communication with Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside is meaningless and > a waste of time. > I even had to google her, because I had the feeling I talk to a troll. I > think she is extreme left ... lost in gendering and so on somewhere in > French Canada, but I do not have any evidence for that. However the > information I found and her attitude here was enough for me so that I avoid > replying to her posts. I mean she takes things personal and starts a > discussion that never ends and brings nothing at the end - pure waste of > time. > However I must admit she stopped top posting and it could be she educates > herself. Agreed. I took considerable time in trying to sort out a professed problem in that area regarding supposed `incompetent medical practice open source software', only to discover the software is present, but needs legislative/regulatory approval for registration and licencing for application, apparently. In other words, no concern of Debian's, out of context on this list (supposedly a concern of this individual), and approaching the developers of any software that was satisfactorily functional to organise an effort to gain the required legislative approval, the appropriate course. But convoluted, pyrotechnics appear to be the game, and deletion is my usual response now. Cheers! Harry. -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]
On 10-08-2021 10:59, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 04:06:43PM -0700, Weaver wrote: >> On 10-08-2021 07:54, Andy Smith wrote: >> > I really don't want to get into calling out specific sub-threads >> > that have been ridiculously off-topic recently, They are not hard to >> > find; there's just so many of them. >> >> That wasn't the point. I pointed out an over dramatisation of the >> situation is not conducive to the sort of accurate pre-analytical stage >> required in order to specify a problem in order to deal with it >> accurately. >> Your answer to that is to specify `ridiculously off-topic threads'. > > I'm saying that the number of off-topics posts here is often well in > excess of the number of on-topic ones, and that I think it isn't > conducive to user support. > > And by "off-topic" I'm not talking about just replying in a > conversational tone, or asking for clarifications, or suggesting > other solutions or anything like that. I mean posts that become > totally unrelated to Debian and its use. > > For the purposes of this conversation I do think these are easy to > spot. I do understand that you feel these aren't an issue. I'm just > saying why I don't think there's a need to specifically call these > out right now. > >> Is there to be a rigorous deletion of anything not Debian related >> within each email? > > I think it would be best if such things were not posted here, yes, > not while this is the support venue. > >> Is there to be no polite, courteous format, simply because it's not >> `Debian-related'? > > I would really have hoped that it would be obvious that I'm not > asking for people to be impolite or discourteous; that I'm not > talking about normal conversational responses to support queries > being banned. > > I'm talking about things that have drifted completely away from > being about Debian. > >> Things can get just a little too rigid, on the way to creating a total >> lack of community that nobody wants to be a part of. >> >> > I understand that there's plenty of people who think the current >> > situation is not a problem, but I think there's also people who do >> > think there is some issue here. I'm one of them and I'm giving my >> > opinion in a thread where it was specifically asked for. >> >> And who isn't? > > Well, this bit was in response to you saying, "if there's a problem > that requires resolution…" so was just me reiterating that I do > think there is, but that I do understand that plenty of people don't > think there is. i.e. this has not just come out of nowhere. > >> > Absolutely, but it's discouraged by the format and what gets through >> > tends to be moderated away so it's less prominent. This results in a >> > better experience both for the question asker and later researchers >> > who come across it. >> >> No, the rudeness is jumped on by members of the community more than >> `moderators'. >> The format changes nothing. > > I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. When I said > "moderated" here, I meant by the people doing the moderation, > which on a Stack site is mostly the community. > > I do find that quite effective in making poor answers and disruptive > comments less visible on such sites, so I can't agree that the > format changes nothing. > >> You might see one interjection as rude and unnecessary, while I might >> see it as a required ingredient in placing a clown in their place. > > The idea that it would be necessary to put a clown in their place > publicly and with the same visibility as other posts in the thread > is something that feels to me most toxic in a support environment. > > We've all been there - someone posts a silly, inadvisable, > ill-thought out or downright incorrect response to a support > question. One feels compelled to post a correction. Hopefully one > manages to do so without being overly offensive or cruel, but > putting a clown in their place can go that way sometimes. It's good > that the correction was delivered, less so if it ended up being > delivered in an offensive way, but even after that, the correction > just has the weight of one email in a thread. > > Often times, the worst clowns are convinced they aren't clowns at > all. They will double down on their wrongness, and they can post > just as often as you can. > > A lot of the time it needs experienced users to spot what is a > good answer (or good advice) and what is bad. It doesn't work so > well to go by who delivers the most devastating come-back or who
Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]
On 10-08-2021 09:01, Andy Smith wrote: > On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 10:19:19PM +, Andy Smith wrote: >> I am asking the Debian Project to can this list in favour of an >> alternate solution or else to make it strictly for Debian-related >> posts only. > > I want to walk this one back a bit as there's no need to destroy the > community that exists here already by forcing it to move elsewhere. Oh, I don't think you'll achieve that. Please be comforted! > What I meant to say is that I think it'd be best if debian-user > continue to exist as it is while having its support element covered > by some other thing, and that be consistently documented throughout > Debian's documentation and websites wherever debian-user currently > is pointed to. By all means, if you see that as desirable, go ahead and initiate it. If things are a little quiet, you'll find us here. > As mentioned, ideally I would see that support function served by a > Stack Overflow-like web site as I think those are easier to keep > focused for question-answer purposes. However if a mailing list > absolutely had to be used then it should be understood that posts > not related to Debian would not be welcome, and for that to be > enforced. Would AK-47s be required? I'm sorry, but I find it extremely difficult to equate the term `community' with that of `rigid, militant conformity'. What you are looking for is already available in the Debian-User Handbook, the Debian Reference, the Ref-Card, and any number of other sources. This list is adjunct to all of that, as well as any number of other resources. And, I should respectfully suggest that this list be employed after all of them have been exhausted for an answer. Post your question, after checking the archives, and follow only that thread in order to avoid all the other aspects you see as undesirable. In this way, I believe any injury to your sensibilities can be easily avoided. Cheers! Harry. -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]
On 10-08-2021 07:54, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 05:01:50PM -0700, Weaver wrote: >> On 09-08-2021 07:33, Andy Smith wrote: >> > A lack of politeness isn't really debian-user's biggest problem. I >> > think debian-user's biggest problem is the lack of restraint >> > prolific posters have on posting every thought that comes into their >> > heads and debating such into the ground. >> >> We all have our perceptions. >> This would appear to be an overly dramatic one. >> `posting every thought that comes into their >> > heads and debating such into the ground' - really? >> If there's a problem requiring resolution, I think it might pay to be >> more concise than that. > > I really don't want to get into calling out specific sub-threads > that have been ridiculously off-topic recently, They are not hard to > find; there's just so many of them. That wasn't the point. I pointed out an over dramatisation of the situation is not conducive to the sort of accurate pre-analytical stage required in order to specify a problem in order to deal with it accurately. Your answer to that is to specify `ridiculously off-topic threads'. > If you can't see this then I just have to assume that you don't find > the current situation to be a problem, in which case I don't know > how to convince you that there's a problem. It doesn't seem like me > listing out sub-threads that have departed far from anything > Debian-related would convince you, and would probably only serve to > feel like an attack on individual posters. There may be any number of threads that do not meet your parameters of `Debian-related'. That doesn't mean they have no relevant standing in the situation. Is there to be a rigorous deletion of anything not Debian related within each email? Is there to be no polite, courteous format, simply because it's not `Debian-related'? Things can get just a little too rigid, on the way to creating a total lack of community that nobody wants to be a part of. > I understand that there's plenty of people who think the current > situation is not a problem, but I think there's also people who do > think there is some issue here. I'm one of them and I'm giving my > opinion in a thread where it was specifically asked for. And who isn't? >> > That sort of thing is not really possible on a question-answer site >> > as conciseness is rewarded in both question and answer. >> >> Not in the reality I inhabit. >> I'm a member of a couple of stack overflow sites, and I have witnessed many a >> humorous aside and any number of examples of downright rudeness. > > Absolutely, but it's discouraged by the format and what gets through > tends to be moderated away so it's less prominent. This results in a > better experience both for the question asker and later researchers > who come across it. No, the rudeness is jumped on by members of the community more than `moderators'. The format changes nothing. Where you get a focal point of communication interaction, you wll always have both positive and negative interaction, determining which is which very much a thing of individual perception. You might see one interjection as rude and unnecessary, while I might see it as a required ingredient in placing a clown in their place. You can't stop social interaction unless you are a member of the android demographic. > By contrast on a mailing list like this it's about who shouts > loudest and most often, For exaple, you might see that point as relevant, while I see it as a prime example of prevarication in an attempt to achieve a personal, preferred aim at the expense of the group. > and that's even before the posts start > appearing that are not even about Debian at all. Debian is open source. It's a product of community. It's strength comes from that. I should not like to see it stifled. Many different kinds of personalities contribute to it, as well as the accepted standards of any number of traditions and cultures. If you think the situation is not good now, you should have been around then. The flame wars were devastating, and I can recall one senior developer stating the list was unusable, at one stage, and he was right. But then the issue got sorted and things got back to normal. > There are good reasons why most times when I have a problem, a > search engine expedition will usually lead me to answers on Stack > Overflow-like sites before the archives of discussion lists. Quite often that's the case, and so it should be. Keeping resources to just one would have to be as much of a definition of mental laziness as any other. That should be happening before turning to the list for an answer from another user. >> There is also an extremely efficient means of weeding out those >>
Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]
On 09-08-2021 07:33, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 11:00:55PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 03:26:25PM +, Andy Smith wrote: >> > To be honest I don't think that mailing lists are a very good venue >> > for user support and I would these days prefer to direct people to a >> > Stack Overflow-like site [...] >> >> I stringly disagree on that one. There's tooling and there's >> politeness, and they are, IMO, uncorrelated variables. > > A lack of politeness isn't really debian-user's biggest problem. I > think debian-user's biggest problem is the lack of restraint > prolific posters have on posting every thought that comes into their > heads and debating such into the ground. We all have our perceptions. This would appear to be an overly dramatic one. `posting every thought that comes into their > heads and debating such into the ground' - really? If there's a problem requiring resolution, I think it might pay to be more concise than that. > That sort of thing is not really possible on a question-answer site > as conciseness is rewarded in both question and answer. Not in the reality I inhabit. I'm a member of a couple of stack sires, and I have witnessed many a humorous aside and any number of examples of downright rudeness. >> Some people are rather wired towards "forum style", others more >> towards "mail style" -- and I think that's why this kind of >> discussion tends to come up time and again. > > I haven't advocated for a forum. What I've suggested is that a > discussion list tends to promote discussion, not user support. How do you get the one without the other? It is possible to have both and, as I have stated in the past, without some level of discussion, there is very little in the aspect of community promotion. I believe that's every bit as important. Human beings are pack animals, with a need for interaction in any social context. To stifle that, unnecessarily, would be a major step toward making the list unproductive in everybody's view except for those who delight in putting their mental straitjacket on in the mornings. The sort of personality (or lack of it) wh would see this discussion, for example, as `unproductive and undesireable'. >> > The main reason why I see mailing lists as inappropriate for user >> > support is that there is a severe signal to noise ratio problem. There is also an extremely efficient means of weeding out those conversations an individual sees as not necessary for their immediate notice, or downright unnecessary, and ones they see as beng answerable - within ther capability - and of interest. Personally, that takes me all of 5 seconds. >> I think you'll get the same on unmoderated fora. > > …which, again, I haven't suggested. I don't know why you keep going > back to the idea of web forums. It's obvious that a web discussion > forum would have the same problems as an email discussion list, if > it were unmoderated. > > My only suggestion was a Stack Overflow-style question-answer site. > Those aren't discussion forums. > > Off-topic discussion is specifically something which I suggest there > is too much of here. It depends on what you see as `off-topic'. Your view is yours, and not necessarily everybody's. Do you see the value in discussion, yet? > Have a look at https://askubuntu.com/ to get some sort of idea, > since that is at least a Debian derivative. But as I said, it has > been tried before and I think won't/can't succeed without buy-in > from the project. > >> I feel we aren't doing that bad, considering the volume. > > It is perhaps not so bad for a general Debian community discussion > group, where you would go into it thinking that pretty much anything > goes, but the fact is that this is Debian's primary support venue > for users new and old. Something it has been doing very well at for some considerable time now. > I don't think that both audiences can be catered for in the same > place and I really think that we could and should do better. It's only the one audience, and I have observed almost all members of that audience indulging in what you see as `both' forms of discussion, where I don't, seeing all discussion as constructive and just different aspects of the same stream. Cheers! Harry. -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Off request
On 07-08-2021 09:42, Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE wrote: > On Freitag, 6. August 2021 18:36:08 -04 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On 2021-08-06 5:10 p.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote: >> > GOODBYE ! >> > >> > Admin of list: >> > Please remove me from the list. >> >> If you want to be removed, then you can unsubscribe. >> The procedure is found at the same place you found information on how >> to subscribe. >> >> I don't the the manager of this list does take the time to read all >> the mailing lists of Debian. >> >> > If you don't, I'll spam you. Why? >> > A person accused me of trolling. Which I'm not sure what is. >> > Flooding, >> I'll remind yourself that even you, at some point looked back at the >> messages you've sent and said "What a mess". >> >> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00137.html >> >> It is appreciated that you now seem to be taking time to write text >> that can easily be understood. >> >> I'm pretty sure that if you would have took the time to write concise >> and clear message like this all the time, then you experience would >> have been different. >> >> > spamming, attention seeking? He could just as well said "*f* off" , >> > just saying. So I'm off this list, doubt I'll return. >> > I dislike slandering; vulnerable >> > due to psychopath in childhood, isolation, & cos people are afraid & >> > tense these times. Guess he was a bit quick on it... >> > Hostile, Judgemental, non- inclusive. Don't need those cultures in >> > my >> >> I believe everyone here acted in good faith. >> >> Taking time to explain what felt like being the wrong way and what >> could be done if you wanted some more help. >> >> To all questions you posted, you received at least two or three >> different answer, with different solutions. >> >> > life, sir, sorry to tell you off this harshly. Going to other >> > helpsite if necessary. Like pointed before, in duckduckgo & Google >> > I can find most answers. >> > My responsibilty is my health. >> > BR, >> > Gunnar Gervin. >> >> Good luck in you learning. > > Reminds me of one occasion when someone was harshly attacked on a > mailing list for writing all capitals - always. > Turned out that the person was blind and had crippled hands and was > posting by means of a braille reader and a special contraption for a > keyboard. *That* was a time to eat one's words. > All the best to y'all Yes, it never ceases to amaze me how many masters of advanced psychiatry there are on the Internet, who are capable of in depth analysis of a subject with no more access to them but a collection of text and graphics. As an extremely good psychiatrist I once worked with said, at one stage: `Analysis at a distance is the ultimate arrogance'. Cheers! Harry. -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Uninstalling Chromium
On 21-07-2021 06:17, Christian Britz wrote: > On 20.07.21 19:58 Greg Wooledge wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 01:15:32PM -0400, andre...@gmail.com wrote: >>> Good afternoon, I am uninstalling chromium from Debian 10 and the >>> procedure automatically installs firefox and the same happens when >>> uninstalling firefox. How to solve this? Thanks. >> You probably have a desktop environment installed which Depends: on >> a web browser. So, when you uninstall one, it falls back to a different >> one, in order to satisfy this dependency. >> >> If firefox-esr is currently installed, then you can ask aptitude what's >> keeping it here: >> >> aptitude why firefox-esr > In my case it is meta package gnome-core. It is a pity that it doesn't > have an alternative dependency on www-browser, this would be satisfied > by google-chrome-stable, which I prefer over chromium. There are plenty of others, quite stable. Falkon is as quick as any of them, if you're happy to work around one or two minor discrepancies from a stripped down process that keeps it that way. I have three installed, because I do a little web design work, and I need them for checking, but to each his own. For example, I wouldn't touch Chrome. Cheers! Harry. -- `When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty' -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: Installing aptitude
On 20-07-2021 05:44, Julius Hamilton wrote: > Hey, > > I tried to search for aptitude with apt-cache search aptitude and it > returned nothing. I also tried apt-get install aptitude and it said no > package was found. > > I am on Ubuntu 20. > > Would anyone know why aptitude is missing from my packages list? No idea. It looks very much as though it isn't mssing. http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man8/aptitude-curses.8.html But this isnot an Ubuntu specifc list, so directing your enquiry to one that is might be the most productive direction. Cheers! Harry. -- `When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty' -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: MDs & Dentists
On 15-07-2021 17:48, ellanios82 wrote: > On 7/15/21 2:03 AM, jeremy ardley wrote: >> suggesting Windows is certified for any risk of life application!? >> >> It has a huge spectrum of vulnerabilities > > > > - believe wikipedia had mention : 100% of world's super-computers run on > Linux https://top500.org/statistics/list/ Cheers! Harry -- `When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty' -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: MDs & Dentists
On 15-07-2021 11:53, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, >> >> Have you even considered options such as: >> >> https://tinyurl.com/42km8b6n >> > Can you please tell me one thing... > Does what you just showed me does the following : > > 1. Manage my health record for my client. > 2. Same time as I enter my note into the clients file, code the medical > act I've done. > 3. Send the code every week to the billing agency so I can get my pay. > 4. If you have look at the reference I've sent you, then you have seen > the we have what's called service agreement. > 5. Codify the acts respecting the billing agreements, for example once > per years bill for the patient continuous service follow up ? > > I doubt they do this. I don't know. I'm trusting in you to do your own research. > And none of the software you showed me deal with medicare ;-) Don't they? So, you have verified that? In which case, what auxiliary function can you call on to fulfil that need? Cheers! Harry. -- `When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty' -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: MDs & Dentists
On 15-07-2021 11:43, Stefan Monnier wrote: > jeremy ardley [2021-07-15 07:03:18] wrote: >> On 15/07/2021 6:26 am, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >>> Also can you find me one Linux distribution that is certified as medical >>> equipment for reliability ? >> You can't be seriously suggesting Windows is certified for any risk of life >> application!? > > He's talking about official certification by some government entity or > some professional association or something like that. > In many situation, such a certification is required by law or by the > insurance companies. > > It doesn't really matter what that certification means technically. I know what he means, though. Windows is not `certified' for use on the International space station: they can't afford a frozen screen up there. The New York and London stock exchanges don't use it. The traffic lights (anywhere!) are not driven by it. t's certified for nothing as far as I'm concerned. On the other hand, it's certifiable, if you get my drift. Cheers! Harry. -- `When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty' -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: MDs & Dentists
On 15-07-2021 09:32, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2021-07-14 6:58 p.m., Weaver wrote:
>> On 15-07-2021 08:30, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 2021-07-14 3:54 p.m., Weaver wrote:
>>>> On 15-07-2021 05:42, ellanios82 wrote:
>>>>> On 7/14/21 9:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>>>> Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice
>>>>>> software. I don't know of any linux software that could replace that
>>>>>> software either. Could it be some software house would be able to get
>>>>>> linux versions available and make some money?
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> - just so :)
>>>>>
>>>>> - at one stage needed windows stuff : ran on Virtual-Box : perfect !!
>>>>
>>>> There are medical and dental practice softwares which runs on Linux, and
>>>> it's in the repositories.
>>>>
>>>> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=medical+practice=all=unstable=all
>>>>
>>>> Has anybody pointed it out to their doctor/dentist yet?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>> Have you done it ?
>>
>> No, have you?
>>
>>> What is needed to run a doctor office can you tell me ?
>>
>> That's quite a topic to cover in an email, but yes, I know.
>>
>>> Does your "suite" cover it all ?
>>
>> Never used it, have you?
>> Or is this just another example of your ability to denigrate something
>> with no evidence to support it?
>>
> If you took the time to read my previous email then you'll see that :
> I've tried and used Freediams
> I've used the software for viewing of CT Scan (can't remember the name).
> I've used the software for viewing imaging (DICOM).
>
> Shall I continue ?
>
> You seem to say many things but lack proof to support them.
>
>>> What would be the benefits for the doctor/dentist ?
>>
>> Stability and, discounting adminstration overhead, free to use.
>> Have you priced out proprietary alternatives>
>> They're _very_ expensive.
>>
Make up your mind!
\begin{quote}
> Stability wouldn't change, we are not running Windows 95 anymore.
> Can you give me real world example where Linux would be more stable ?
>
> Don't confuse the need of a computer server and the need of a desktop
> user who's willing to reboot once a day or more. \end{quote}
> And you think that a alternative to those software for administration
> exist ? Those software have to be certified to connect to other software
> used in the office.
>
> I know the price and could give you some idea.
>
> PARAM for one user/one doctor/per year will cost you 1200$ and it's one
> of the cheapest, it's mostly the old paper form on a screen.
> Pack you data in XML, make the checksum and here you go.
>
> The software for our unified health record is supplied by the agency and
> run on Windows only. And this is similar in many settings...
> You don't buy a software, you pay for a service.
>
> I don't pay for accounting software, I pay for billing service that will
> also optimize my billing. And they supply the software.
>
> What would a specific accounting software made for doctor, that is
> updated at least monthly would cost less on Linux ?
Right!
So, it's accounting software now.
I don't know, I pay a bookkeeper and an accountant to do all that, and
it doesn't cost me anywhere near what you just quoted.
_And_ I have time for a life.
A big clue to surviving in any business.
Don't work your way into the ground.
Give yourself time for a life.
Your business will be all the better off for it.
> This is a list of all the change to our billing agreements on a day to
> day (week to week) basis...
>
> https://www.ramq.gouv.qc.ca/fr/professionnels/medecins-omnipraticiens/infolettres/2021/Pages/infolettres.aspx
Have you even considered options such as:
https://tinyurl.com/42km8b6n
> You still don't give me any example of a Linux software that can
> interact with the rest of the software used for health record management.
>
> Yes freediams does some part but it's really far from what a complete
> health record management do.
>
> There's no integration with medical imaging (there is but limited).
> There's lacking a bunch of medical equation that we use everyday (for
> example calculating the albumin clearance based on blood test for a
> non-hospitalised patient), etc.
I haven't avoided it at all.
I stated that looking at where descripancies lie and assessing
requirement is the way to go.
I do
Re: MDs & Dentists
On 15-07-2021 08:30, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-07-14 3:54 p.m., Weaver wrote: >> On 15-07-2021 05:42, ellanios82 wrote: >>> On 7/14/21 9:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: >>>> Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice >>>> software. I don't know of any linux software that could replace that >>>> software either. Could it be some software house would be able to get >>>> linux versions available and make some money? >>> >>> ... >>> >>> - just so :) >>> >>> - at one stage needed windows stuff : ran on Virtual-Box : perfect !! >> >> There are medical and dental practice softwares which runs on Linux, and >> it's in the repositories. >> >> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=medical+practice=all=unstable=all >> >> Has anybody pointed it out to their doctor/dentist yet? >> Cheers, >> > Have you done it ? No, have you? > What is needed to run a doctor office can you tell me ? That's quite a topic to cover in an email, but yes, I know. > Does your "suite" cover it all ? Never used it, have you? Or is this just another example of your ability to denigrate something with no evidence to support it? > What would be the benefits for the doctor/dentist ? Stability and, discounting adminstration overhead, free to use. Have you priced out proprietary alternatives> They're _very_ expensive. > Again, don't get into the FOSS thingy. I haven't. But I don't see any reason to denigrate that aspect, either. > Don't give much about this. > > Computer = tool > Tool = effective > If I need to change my habits = Must be a really good reason The first step is honest assessment of requirement, which you don't appear to have done. > I feel like all this is emotion based and no one really took time to ask > themselves why won't they... > > Maybe because even if you have a software, if it doesn't interact with > other part of the system, it's a bit useless. Like a computer on a > network that doesn't speak IP... Then you need to look at the interaction points, see what can be done about that aspect, if that is, indeed, the state. Where do you get the idea it isn't? Cheers! Harry. -- `When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty' -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: MDs & Dentists
On 15-07-2021 05:42, ellanios82 wrote: > On 7/14/21 9:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: >> Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice >> software. I don't know of any linux software that could replace that >> software either. Could it be some software house would be able to get linux >> versions available and make some money? > > ... > > - just so :) > > - at one stage needed windows stuff : ran on Virtual-Box : perfect !! There are medical and dental practice softwares which runs on Linux, and it's in the repositories. https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=medical+practice=all=unstable=all Has anybody pointed it out to their doctor/dentist yet? Cheers, Harry. -- `When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty' -- Thomas Jefferson
Fwd: Re: why pdf file at archive.org is so slow to open
Original Message Subject: Re: why pdf file at archive.org is so slow to open Date: 05-07-2021 09:48 From: Weaver To: Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside On 05-07-2021 08:59, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > >> Install Okular, with supporting packages. > Good advice. >> Why use Adobe products. > Good question ! >> If you install Lightbeam, you will find they connect directly with the >> CIA. > You just lost all type of credibility right now. > Don't take your dream for reality. If this would be true then they > woudln't be dumb enough to make this traceable to the open. > You just blew up all you said earlier and made a fool of yourself. > Not that spyware don't exist or that the CIA don't spy on people but > that you say things out of context, without any fact to support them and > presented like a undeniable fact. > Yes and election we're stolen too... > > The greatest menace to democracy is human dumbness as those get easy to > drive thru the use of custom chosen publicity driven by artificial > intelligence. > People who have basic knowledge of information and fact validation, plus > the ability to distinguish between rumors and bias don't fall for AI > based manipulation. And you're an idiot. `without any fact to support them'? I clearly stated, `If you install Lightbeam'. Are you capable of reading the English language? If you install Lightbeam, visit the Adobe site, you will see the association clearly. Perhaps you need to wake up to the fact your words apply to yourself. > You had a good message but blew it up by not keeping those two lip together. Yes, exactly! >> Adobe is spyware as far as I'm concerned. > Can be true but not in the sense you wrote earlier. No, as far as I'm concerned, it's spyware. Your approval for my individual thought process has not been sought or required. >> Cheers! >> >> Harry. >> -- `When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty' -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: why pdf file at archive.org is so slow to open
On 05-07-2021 08:59, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > >> Install Okular, with supporting packages. > Good advice. >> Why use Adobe products. > Good question ! >> If you install Lightbeam, you will find they connect directly with the >> CIA. > You just lost all type of credibility right now. > Don't take your dream for reality. If this would be true then they > woudln't be dumb enough to make this traceable to the open. > You just blew up all you said earlier and made a fool of yourself. > Not that spyware don't exist or that the CIA don't spy on people but > that you say things out of context, without any fact to support them and > presented like a undeniable fact. > Yes and election we're stolen too... > > The greatest menace to democracy is human dumbness as those get easy to > drive thru the use of custom chosen publicity driven by artificial > intelligence. > People who have basic knowledge of information and fact validation, plus > the ability to distinguish between rumors and bias don't fall for AI > based manipulation. > > You had a good message but blew it up by not keeping those two lip together. >> Adobe is spyware as far as I'm concerned. > Can be true but not in the sense you wrote earlier. Silly little man! >> Cheers! >> >> Harry. >> -- `When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty' -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: why pdf file at archive.org is so slow to open
On 05-07-2021 07:04, loushanguan2...@sina.com wrote: > Thanks! > it has nothing to do with download > i have saved it to home directory > and then open it with acrobat for linux > it's slow when i browse it > > what cpu do you use? > my cpu is old and cheap Install Okular, with supporting packages. Why use Adobe products. If you install Lightbeam, you will find they connect directly with the CIA. Adobe is spyware as far as I'm concerned. Cheers! Harry. -- `When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty' -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: [OT, maybe]
On 01-07-2021 06:18, Joe wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 11:02:43 -0500 > "Thompson, Brian" wrote: > > >> >> Is this mailing list usually used for philosophical debates, >> persuasion, and >> primitive name-calling? Genuinely curious so that I can unsub if it >> is. >> > > If you've subscribed for any length of time, you'll already know the > answer to that. > > I've pointed out a number of times that the list is called > 'debian-user', not 'debian-problems' or similar, and we're mostly > Debian users here. I use a very advanced mail client which displays the > subject header and threading, so I can decide for myself what to read > and what not to waste time on. Yes, it's very easy. Just select all the ones, on whatever subject matter you don't wish to concern yourself with, while holding down your Ctrl key, then hit delete. Debian is concerned with more than just the dealing of technical computer/software problems: it has a substantial involvement in the realm of philosophy, too, along with a need for the sort of social interaction which melds community spirit, also. Cheers! Harry. -- `When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty' -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: Debian stable - updates
On 27-06-2021 18:01, Joe wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 08:12:07 -0500 > John Hasler wrote: > >> Andrei writes: >> > Unstable is challenging when you rely on that system for any kind of >> > useful work, regardless if a movie night with friends or a big >> > presentation at work, as each and every upgrade has the potential to >> > break your system in new and interesting ways. >> >> I've run Unstable on my desktop for decades. It's been at least 15 >> years since an upgrade gave me any serious trouble. However, I don't >> use a desktop environment (unless you call FVWM a DE) and I only >> upgrade when it is both safe and necessary. >> >> I did recently have a problem with an Exim4 upgrade but I believe it >> was primarily due to my customizations (I switched to Postfix as >> that's the simplest way to do "wipe it all out and start over"). > > I've had a logjam for most of a year on a few items which can't be > upgraded because of an odd dependency issue involving guile-2.0 and 2.2. > > Yesterday, I had a need for inkscape, which I rarely use and which could > only be installed by removing half a dozen programs I use much more > often. So I put it on my stable netbook instead. When I'm sufficiently > annoyed with the problem I'll do a reinstall but there are over 4000 > packages and if I do an automatic reinstall it will probably just > recreate the same problem. > > I think unstable is fine if you have an alternative computer, > (basically, owning a computer is fine if you have an alternative > computer) but by itself can occasionally mess things up. I've used Unstable for many years as a reliable base for a small business, and it rarely lets me down in any serious way. I switched to it after experiencing slow bug fixes on Testing. Occasionally one programme or another may get a little flighty, but it doesn't affect the rest of the system, and is always fixed within 24 hours. I wouldn't think of moving. Cheers! Harry. -- `When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty' -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: Boot Repair
On 03-06-2021 13:02, Martin McCormick wrote: > Weaver writes: >> https://www.supergrubdisk.org/ > > The site recommends downloading the hybrid version of > grub2disk so that is what I did because all the Linux boxes I > have are x86 hardware and have CD technology built in. > > This is quite an interesting creation. The ISO image is > a wee bit over 16 MB in size and, as I suspected, the package > includes no screen reader modules whatsoever but I did mount the > CD after burning it and ran > > find . -name "*" -print and there are serial modules sprinkled > throughout the distribution. There are occasional references to > a serial console. > > In some of the documentation I have found on the site, I > haven't found one iota of text as to how to make this console > work but if computer users who are blind can access this serial > console, that is like finding gold in them thare hills. > > Tomorrow, I will look further for any hints as to how to > make the serial console appear but I actually did read the words > "serial console" on that site. > > When I listed all the files on the CD, I also ran across > the following: > > ./boot/grub/i386-efi/morse.mod > ./boot/grub/i386-pc/morse.mod > ./boot/grub/x86_64-efi/morse.mod > > If this has to do with outputting text in Morse Code, I > know Morse since we amateur radio operators once had to know it > to get our licenses and as long as it is sending at a reasonable > rate which, for me, stops at about 20 words per minute, is > perfectly useful to read the output. > > I didn't even see any references to Morse Code on the > site so it's another way to make this useful. > > The PC being used to run this CD does have a piezo buzzer > on the mother board so if there is a way to make it sing in > Morse, I may not need the serial console but it certainly would > be nice to know all there is about both of those fall-back > methods. > > Thanks to anybody who knows where real sentences are that > explain the serial console or the possible Morse code output. Well, let us know how it goes, because I've noted a few visually disadvantaged users on the list, and they would find the reference useful. If you have any further troubles, get back and there will be other options. Cheers! Harry. -- ‘The issues are too important to be left for the voters’. ― Henry Kissinger
Re: Boot Repair
On 03-06-2021 05:59, Martin McCormick wrote: > Weaver writes: >> On 03-06-2021 03:59, Martin McCormick wrote: >> > Is there any free utility that can run in Linux which helps one >> > rebuild a corrupted boot configuration? >> >> https://www.supergrubdisk.org/ > > Thank you very much as you did answer my question > perfectly but I did not stop to think about all the possibilities > of the form the solution might take. > > So, as a computer user who happens to be blind, is this > stand-alone application using a linux kernel containing the > speakup modules? Absolutely no idea. I should suspect it does as the size of the image infers a full kernel, but they would know. https://www.supergrubdisk.org/chat/ Cheers! Harry. -- ‘The issues are too important to be left for the voters’. ― Henry Kissinger
Re: Boot Repair
On 03-06-2021 03:59, Martin McCormick wrote: > Is there any free utility that can run in Linux which helps one > rebuild a corrupted boot configuration? https://www.supergrubdisk.org/ Cheers! Harry. -- ‘The issues are too important to be left for the voters’. ― Henry Kissinger
Re: thunderbird
On 01-06-2021 18:10, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 31 mai 21, 08:48:48, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 08:55:32PM +, ghe2001 wrote: >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> > Hash: SHA256 >> > >> > >> > >> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >> > On Sunday, May 30, 2021 2:24 PM, Bret Busby wrote: >> > >> > >... (snip) >> > >> > Look into ProtonMail. Web based, >> ^ >> This would disqualify it for me, 100%. AFAIK, the OP was >> asking for a MUA anyway, not for a web service. > > Yes, it's off-topic for this thread, but... > >> > ... slow sometimes (they're in Switzerland), but PGP encryption if >> > possible, >> >> >> How does "web based" and PGP go together, anyway? Web based >> means mail handling (and thus encryption/signing) is done >> on other people's computers. >> >> This means your private keys are on other people's computers. > > Yes. > >> > ...and free. Works, too. >> >> As in free beer or as in free speech? > > The service is free as in beer for the basic limited account. If we're looking at this sort of thing, you might like to take a look at tutanota, also. https://tutanota.com/ Cheers! Harry. > > They are publishing most (all?) their software under free licenses, > including the JavaScript handling the encryption part in the web > interface. > >> No. Just... no. > > Their target audience is different. > > As far as I can tell it's the most usable out-of-the box encrypted email > (including at rest) I know of, if one is willing to trust them not to > brute-force your GPG key passphrase. > > Mails between ProtonMail subscribers are encrypted by default, from > browser to browser (or the IMAP gateway for paid subscriptions). > > For non-subscribers there is the option to encrypt messages with a > password. Instead of the full message the other party receives a link to > a webinterface they can use to read and reply to the message. > > Additionally, there are no ads, unless you count the occasional (once > per month?) message with latest updates (including new functionality, > like the calendar) and the "Upgrade to a paid account" buttons in the > webinterface. > > For me it is definitely an upgrade to Gmail for stuff I want to keep > away from Google and it gives me the option to communicate reasonably > secure with non-technical users. > > Kind regards, > Andrei -- ‘The issues are too important to be left for the voters’. ― Henry Kissinger
Re: thunderbird
On 31-05-2021 06:24, Doug McGarrett wrote: > On 5/30/21 4:04 PM, Joe wrote: > >> On Sun, 30 May 2021 18:29:11 + >> fxkl47BF wrote: >> >>> for a few decades i have used pine/alpine. >>> i'm considering a new mail application. >>> there are more out there than you can shake a stick at. >>> what are your thoughts of thunderbird. >> >> A bit slow and heavy for my liking. I used to use it, then switched >> to >> Claws-Mail, which is faster and seems to do what I need. > Thunderbird will find all the esoteric locations, etc. that email > systems need to function. Claws mail does not. If I knew how > to find the necessary information, I would try claws mail. > --doug I run a small business with ClawsMail and it answers all requirements. I find the problems others experience with it are associated with not being familiar with the various installable options. File transfer? No problem! And the calendar/appointments set up is excellent. Cheers! Harry. -- ‘The issues are too important to be left for the voters’. ― Henry Kissinger
Re: thunderbird
On 31-05-2021 05:48, Dan Ritter wrote: > fxkl47BF wrote: >> for a few decades i have used pine/alpine. >> i'm considering a new mail application. >> there are more out there than you can shake a stick at. >> what are your thoughts of thunderbird. > > It's very popular with people who need to point-and-click at > everything. > > If you are willing to invest an hour or two into learning it, > mutt is the best mail user agent available, especially when you > have local mail storage and can install one of the mail search > companions, plus a filtering system like courier's mailfilter. A vote for ClawsMail, with all installed options. I threw Thunderbird away for it. Cheers! Harry -- ‘The issues are too important to be left for the voters’. ― Henry Kissinger
Re: PC fan getting very loud
On 09-05-2021 07:03, Bret Busby wrote: > On 9/5/21 4:05 am, Charles Curley wrote: >> On Sat, 08 May 2021 11:13:34 +0200 >> deloptes wrote: >> >>> Fujitsu ESPRIMO Q520 when opening some sh*tty web sitesin firefox the >>> fan gets extremly noisy. >> >> I have a similar problem with some of my older laptops. I have switched >> to Vivaldi (based on chromium), and that has reduced the problem >> considerably. Firefox is a resource hog. >> > > I also have Vivaldi running, with a few windows, in addition to > firefox, to investigate Vivaldi as an alternative browser. > > Vivaldi appears to not have a support mailing list, and, Vivaldi > appears to not have much provision for customisation. > > I also find Vivaldi to be quite slow, in comparison to firefox. Try falkon instead. It's in the repositories. It doesn't have the same number of bells and whistles, but that's the cludge that weighs things down. Quite quick. Cheers! Harry. -- `The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power'. -- Mussolini
Re: What is the best (and free) Linux softphone?
On 08-05-2021 11:31, Richard Hector wrote: > On 6/05/21 7:59 am, Weaver wrote: > >> >> https://jami.net/ > > I get puzzled by sites like that that don't seem to say _what_it_is_ ... > > Luckily I can get that info from the debian package info :-) It's a rebranding of the old `Ring' package. Cheers! Harry. -- `The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power'. -- Mussolini
Re: HTML syntax.
On 07-05-2021 08:17, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: rhkra...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 13:20:31 -0400
>> Scintilla is used as the editing component (text entry and display) of quite
>> a
>> few editors, among them Geany (there is a list somewhere of maybe up to 100,
>> not sure all of them still exist (or ever existed "in the wild").
>
> Thanks. I installed Geany and it colors HTML syntax. Definitely helpful.
>
> Mousepad has View > Color Scheme > {None, Classic, Cobalt, ... }.
> None is the only color scheme it will retain.
>
> Does mousepad need another module for color schemes to work?
Bluefish supplies all of this: in the repositories.
Cheers!
Harry.
--
`The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called
Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power'.
-- Mussolini
Re: What is the best (and free) Linux softphone?
On 06-05-2021 05:31, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Dan Ritter wrote: > >> I'm not sure why you want each VM to have a softphone. >> >> Debian packages linphone, empathy and twinkle > > Can you then call other people with those or corresponding > software or can you call an actual smartphone using some app > or something? https://jami.net/ In the repositories. Cheers! Harry. -- `The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power'. -- Mussolini
Re: Piano live recording
On 04-05-2021 18:39, didier gaumet wrote: > Shure publishes a doc for best using microphones for particular > instruments (grand and upright pianos: pages 24-25): > > https://www.shure.com/damfiles/default/global/documents/publications/en/performance-production/microphone_techniques_for_live_sound_reinforcement_english.pdf-3df433145fca686a736beeb5da588efa.pdf Yes, Shure and/or AKG would be my choices Cheers! Harry. -- `The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power'. -- Mussolini
Re: HTML syntax.
On 04-05-2021 18:34, deloptes wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 11:54:58PM +0200, deloptes wrote: >>> to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >>> >>> > xmllint has an --html option for that. That said... >>> >>> you sure that it will give a warning if tag is not closed? Cause I do not >>> think so. In fact the --html option seems to correct those missing tags. >>> All together it's a good tool, but I do not know how it applies to html5 >> >> AFAIK it does HTML4. >> >> HTML5 is a "living standard" [1], [2] which is an euphemism for "Apple, >> Google, Microsoft and, to a slowly dwindling extent Mozilla, will tell >> you what is supposed to work today". >> >> The W3C consortium fought tooth and nail to fix a standard and lost. >> Whatwg (the above mentioned Big Guys) imposed >> > > so another one failure of opensource and free software > >> Raph Levien called that, back then in 1998, "The decommoditization of >> protocols" [1]. A visionary. >> >> Remember this old joke (around 1990) >> >> Q: How many Microsoft engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb? >> A: None, they just define darkness as an industry standard. >> >> Well, we arrived there. >> > > we are arriving in the middle ages - soon they start burning people alive or > send them to concentration camps for not believing in green energy, > Microsoft, Google or you name it. I just tried to find a video on ARTE that > I watched some time ago. Video was called "Umweltsünder E-Auto?" > They were forced to remove it :/ from their mediathek and from youtube Maybe they just moved it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyumbvFdDNo Cheers! Harry. -- `The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power'. -- Mussolini
Re: Piano live recording
On 04-05-2021 18:16, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > Hi all. > > I've just bought a Behringer UMC404HD audio interface and want to record live > piano by placing two microphones one at the trebles and one at the bass. Is > it > better to use mono or omni directional microphones? In particular, which do > you suggest between Bheringer B5 either Behringer C2 twins? Upright or grand? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHP5m83peSU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8OXF9VvJIc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POjRN5EQN-M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADgGySEB8Mg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgibHCjh7dM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BeLIzS-3GU Cheers! Harry. -- `The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power'. -- Mussolini
Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly
On 01-05-2021 20:07, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, > and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. > > Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: > > * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing > lists that are language-specific for example debian-user-french > > * It is common for users to be redirected here from other lists - for example, > from debian-project. It is also common for people to be posting here when > English is not their primary language. Please be considerate. > > * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both > the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct > > https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct > https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct > > * This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an > answer - please be patient. Please post answers back to the list so > others can benefit; private conversations don't benefit people who > may be following along on the list or reading the archives later. > > * Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. > It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. > > * Please try to stay on topic. Arguments for the sake of it are not >welcome here. Partisan political / religious / cultural arguments >do not belong here either. Debian's community is world wide; don't >assume others will agree with your views or need to read them on a >Debian list. > > * There is an FAQ on the Debian wiki derived from some questions asked on this > list at https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser > > * One question that comes up on almost all Debian lists from time to time is > of > the form: > "I have done something wrong / included personal details in an email. >Could you please delete my name / details / remove the mail" > > Practically, this is impossible: the mailing lists are archived, > potentially cached > by Google and so on. Unfortunately, there is nothing much we can do to > ensure that > all copies anywhere on the Internet are deleted. Asking to do this may > only serve to > draw further attention - the so-called "Streisand effect" > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect > > Problems? > = > > Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the > Debian Community Team . > > Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad > behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders. `This is a fairly busy mailing list' - Oh no, it isn't! It used to be. I can recall days when I'd get 300 mails or more, but that was when the attitude was it was a list for Debian users, and not just a list for Debian issues. At times, there would be 70% of threads on topic, while the rest were wildly off, but there's one aspect everybody seems to have forgotten: conversation/communication builds community. And this list is somewhat dry on that quality these days. I think we can attribute the list drying up like a river in drought to that. Perhaps the prissy and politically correct simply don't have it right? Cheers! Harry. -- `Women fall in love with what they hear, men fall in love with what they see, that's why women wear make up and men lie'.
Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail?
On 01-05-2021 18:19, Joe wrote: > On Sat, 01 May 2021 09:28:04 +0200 > deloptes wrote: > >> Joe wrote: >> >> > I know someone who started to be shown online adverts that could >> > only have been based on a sound-wave conversation within the >> > hearing of his smartphone. I don't know about other similar claims, >> > but I trust his. >> > >> > Are you saying that you don't believe anyone could be that naughty? >> > Go look up 'superfish' and 'lenovo' if you're not aware of the >> > incident, and that was years ago. I don't believe that advertisers >> > consider any kind of non-lethal behaviour to be unethical. >> >> People can state anything, but it is not necessary true. >> >> However if you have enabled some kind of assistant like Alexa, Siri or >> whatever they are called, it could be that they are indeed spying on >> you. Again to make such a statement means you need to provide >> evidence. >> >> Some state their brainwaves are being influenced by whatever (video, >> tv, wireless) It could be true, but there is no evidence and the >> probability of this being true is very low. > > At the moment, yes. But there are regular announcements of brain wave > measurements being used by e.g. disabled people to allow some control > of things. Do you doubt for a moment that researchers around the world > are studying brain waves with a view to at least surveillance of > thoughts, if not control, of for weaponry? >> >> I am writing this and asking you to start checking facts and stop >> believing. >> > > Facts have become extremely difficult to come by. Almost every > potential supplier of 'facts' has his own agenda and cannot be trusted > to be honest. Even universities, which used to carry out research just > for the sake of it (e.g. Faraday, Davy etc.) are now mostly sponsored > by businesses and cannot be trusted to be unbiased. Everything has been > made political, and there is nobody who does not have their own > political beliefs and agendas. We users and writers of free software > certainly do. > > I work on the basis that if something underhanded and unethical can be > done and can provide some political or financial return, it *will* be > done until it is discovered and measures are put in place to prevent it > happening, if indeed that ever occurs. Manufacturers *have* been caught > eavesdropping on people in their homes, and said that these occasions > were 'accidental', or for quality control purposes, or some such. Some > even admit to targeting advertising: > > https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-smart-tv-eavesdropping-company-admits/ > > 'Here’s what Samsung says to warn you, at least: > > “Please be aware that if your spoken words include personal or other > sensitive information, that information will be among the data captured > and transmitted to a third party through your use of Voice > Recognition.”' > > Such manufacturers say that voice facilities can be turned off to > prevent this, but whose word do we have to take that it is true? > > Remember when Google StreetView camera vehicles were found to be > collecting personal wifi SSDs and anything available that was > unencrypted as they drove around? > > https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/may/15/google-admits-storing-private-data > > Naturally, there were good, honest reasons for doing that, but Google > would have looked more ethical if it had announced in advance that it > would be doing it, instead of hiding it until it was discovered. > > Remember when the shiny new Windows 95 was found to be accumulating in > a file the names of web sites visited? That was a very crude and > unsophisticated way of spying, a quarter of a century ago, but it > brought to the public's attention the fact that such spying was now > possible. Even Windows 95 was just too large to disassemble and audit, > and an installation was by today's standards a drop in the ocean at > 25MB. Windows now occupies tens of gigabytes, and even a large Linux > installation can be several GB in size. > >> This is not religion. > > There is nothing 'religious' about assuming that many private businesses > will take every opportunity to make money from you in ways that you > would not permit if you were given the choice. What is the purpose of > 'free' social media, after all? What about the written guarantee cards > provided with products since the early twentieth century, to be > returned to obtain some small additional benefit? What were they if not > the gathering of low-level purchasing information to assist future > marketing? We *know* that's the kind of thing businesses do. We should > expect them to use all possibly technological assistance to do it more > and better. And we can certainly expect our rulers to spy on us > whenever possible. Personal information is the new currency: fact! Social media organisations do not fund large server banks, and employ serious numbers of sys. admins, supplying a 24/7 service to supply you with your own personal
Re: Best desktop environment for multitouch touchscreen?
On 28-04-2021 22:13, Kasper Loopstra wrote: > On 28/04/2021 13:57, Weaver wrote: >> On 28-04-2021 21:20, Kasper Loopstra wrote: >>> On 28/04/2021 11:32, Weaver wrote: >>>> On 28-04-2021 19:04, Kasper Loopstra wrote: >>>>> I've also briefly tried to use Kodi, but that does not seem to support >>>>> launching external programs and/or webpages easily. >>>> I don't know about the rest, but Kodi usually requires extensions >>>> installed in order access external resources. Depending on where you >>>> are, cross-border `intellectual property' stipulations sometimes get in >>>> the way. Other than that, you shouldn't have any problems. >>>> Cheers! >>>> >>>> Harry. >>> Thanks. I've been looking at Kodi and trying to launch a webpage in >>> Firefox, but that requires writing an extension apparently (all the >>> existing ones are broken or won't run on the Debian version of Kodi). >>> Trying the "Hello World" extension to write one also gives a >>> dependency error in Kodi that Google doesn't show me any fixes for. >> You shouldn't need to access Firefox. >> Kodi has its own browser interface, and it should be possible for you to >> access what you want via addons like `lazytv', etc.. >> You should be able to access the mixer that way also, directly. >> Cheers! >> >> Harry > > Thanks again for the quick reply! Unfortunately, I'm trying to control > a hardware mixer on the network here (a Behringer XAir 18). That needs > its own Linux application. Could you link me to a tutorial on how to > launch the external application on Kodi that works on Debian? It would > be much appreciated! > > I've installed the LazyTV addon, and tried it. It just gave a beep and > did nothing. Do you have a tutorial on how to use that to view > specific content only available in the browser? Such as ziggogo.tv > (Dutch cable provider) and uitzendinggemist.nl (Dutch TV)? > > These must be really basic questions, but by just googling and reading > the manual I have not been able to figure it out. You're probably better off speaking to the Kodi people directly. https://kodi.wiki/view/Main_Page https://forum.kodi.tv/ I haven't explored Kodi enough to give you the answers you need with additional hardware in a network, but somebody there will know about it. Good luck with it, and let us know how you go. Cheers! Harry -- "'Crazy' is a term of art; 'Insane' is a term of law. Remember that, and you'll save yourself a lot of trouble." --Hunter S. Thompson
Re: Best desktop environment for multitouch touchscreen?
On 28-04-2021 21:20, Kasper Loopstra wrote: > On 28/04/2021 11:32, Weaver wrote: >> On 28-04-2021 19:04, Kasper Loopstra wrote: >>> I've also briefly tried to use Kodi, but that does not seem to support >>> launching external programs and/or webpages easily. >> I don't know about the rest, but Kodi usually requires extensions >> installed in order access external resources. Depending on where you >> are, cross-border `intellectual property' stipulations sometimes get in >> the way. Other than that, you shouldn't have any problems. >> Cheers! >> >> Harry. > > Thanks. I've been looking at Kodi and trying to launch a webpage in > Firefox, but that requires writing an extension apparently (all the > existing ones are broken or won't run on the Debian version of Kodi). > Trying the "Hello World" extension to write one also gives a > dependency error in Kodi that Google doesn't show me any fixes for. You shouldn't need to access Firefox. Kodi has its own browser interface, and it should be possible for you to access what you want via addons like `lazytv', etc.. You should be able to access the mixer that way also, directly. Cheers! Harry > There are a couple of webpages I would like to launch easily (as they > are the only way to view Dutch TV online), and also a program to > control the audio mixer via the network. > > If you have any hints on how to achieve this in Kodi, I'd be grateful. > > > Thanks, > > > Kasper > > PS: Please put me on CC on replies, I'm not subscribed to the list. -- "'Crazy' is a term of art; 'Insane' is a term of law. Remember that, and you'll save yourself a lot of trouble." --Hunter S. Thompson
Re: Best desktop environment for multitouch touchscreen?
On 28-04-2021 19:04, Kasper Loopstra wrote: > Hi all, > > > I am trying to use a multi-touch monitor (Dell P2418HT) with Debian as > a front-end for a media center setup. Ideally this system would work > without having a mouse attached, and allow touching icons on some kind > of Desktop or main screen to open specific webpages in Firefox and/or > start programs. > > > Having tried both KDE and Gnome I cannot really seem to get things to > work the way I would like. > > KDE/Wayland: Works reasonably well, but the icons on the desktop do > not respond to touch in any way, and the Start menu needs to be used. > > Gnome/Wayland: No longer has the concept of a Desktop, but even with > the Desktop extension program shortcuts show up as files to be opened > with a text-editor instead of "click and something happens". > > I've also briefly tried to use Kodi, but that does not seem to support > launching external programs and/or webpages easily. I don't know about the rest, but Kodi usually requires extensions installed in order access external resources. Depending on where you are, cross-border `intellectual property' stipulations sometimes get in the way. Other than that, you shouldn't have any problems. Cheers! Harry. > Stuff like multi-touch in applications, pinch-to-zoom and 2 finger > scroll are not working either. > > > What is the best desktop environment or other application to try for this? > > > Thanks, > > > Kasper > > > PS: Please put me on CC on replies, I'm not subscribed to the list. -- "'Crazy' is a term of art; 'Insane' is a term of law. Remember that, and you'll save yourself a lot of trouble." --Hunter S. Thompson
Re: OT: Freestanding spreadsheet program?
On 25-04-2021 13:07, rustbuck...@pm.me wrote: > Weaver wrote: >> On 24-04-2021 08:25, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>>> Back in the good (bad?) old days of TRS-80, all we had was VisiCalc. >>>> Simple. >>>> Today, is there a useful spreadsheet program that does not rely on all the >>>> baggage associated with either an "office suite," or >>>> a "desktop environment?" >>> >>> I can mention `gnumeric` and if you're into Emacs I can also also >>> suggest SES. >> >> Plus 1 for gnumeric. >> Excellent. >> Doesn't drop data on large data sets as much vaunted proprietary >> programmes do. >> Cheers! >> >> Harry. > > I think he also wanted something that doesn't require a desktop > environment. Not the way I read it. The inference I picked up was he wanted one that didn't require installing any particular DE. One that wasn't dependent on any particular desktop environment, or required the installation of an entire office suite. Regardless, the OP has made a decision on the matter now, and is happy. Cheers! Harry -- `Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: OT: Freestanding spreadsheet program?
On 24-04-2021 08:25, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Back in the good (bad?) old days of TRS-80, all we had was VisiCalc. Simple. >> Today, is there a useful spreadsheet program that does not rely on all the >> baggage associated with either an "office suite," or >> a "desktop environment?" > > I can mention `gnumeric` and if you're into Emacs I can also also > suggest SES. Plus 1 for gnumeric. Excellent. Doesn't drop data on large data sets as much vaunted proprietary programmes do. Cheers! Harry.
Re: Print drivers for Canon Imageprograf Pro-300?
On 12-04-2021 17:17, deloptes wrote: > Will wrote: > >> I've looked at Turbo Print - https://turboprint.info/ - and I certainly >> don't mind paying for a driver if it fills the need I have. I know the >> Pro-300 is pretty new, so I'm wondering if anyone on the list has either: >> >> * Used the Turbo Print driver for the Canon imageprograf Pro-1000 with the >> Pro-300. >> * Or used a generic Postcript Level 3, CUPS, or similar driver for it >> >> I may end up contacting the Turbo Print folks to see if they're working on >> a pro-300 driver, but I figured it couldn't hurt to hit up this list as >> well. :) > > I do some research before buying any product and never failed. It may cost a > bit more, but at the end it works without an issue. The last printer I > bought was HP 402dn for a little under 200€. The last HP 5L worked for > almost 20y. I expect this one to work at least 10 > > https://www.canonimagedrivers.com/canon-imageprograf-pro-300-driver/ > > obviously linux support is a myth for that - or can one use the Mac OS X > driver for cups? I just take a short cut and never buy Canon. Their support for Linux has always been less than zero. So, they receive the same. Cheers! Harry -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Error in Select and install programs
On 04-04-2021 15:40, Orlando Canchola wrote: > Yes, I am installing Debian boster It's unlikely to be the desktop environment. It could be a dirty disc, or any number of other issues. What was the installation step immediately before you received that message? Cheers! Harry > El sáb., 3 de abril de 2021 11:32 p. m., Weaver > escribió: > >> On 04-04-2021 15:25, Orlando Canchola wrote: >>> Hi! The error is: "Installation step failed >>> >>> An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item >> again >>> from the >>> menu, or skip it and choose something else" >>> >>> The environment desktop I tried to install is xfce >> >> Try to keep your answers to the list, Orlando, just in case somebody >> else runs into the same problem. >> >> This sounds like an operating system installation problem, not just >> a >> desktop environment. >> Is that what you're doing? >> Cheers! >> >> Harry. >> >>> El sáb., 3 de abril de 2021 11:20 p. m., Weaver >> >>> escribió: >>> >>>> On 04-04-2021 15:12, Orlando Canchola wrote: >>>>> Hi I am trying to install Debian buster but when I choose a >>>> desktop >>>>> environment and wait, an error occurs, so what could I do? >>>> >>>> Hullo, Orlando, >>>> >>>> Describe the error. >>>> Is there any message involved? >>>> Which desktop environment are you trying to install? >>>> Cheers! >>>> >>>> Harry. >>>> -- >>>> Religion is regarded by the common people as true, >>>> by the wise as false, >>>> and by the rulers as useful. >>>> >>>> — Lucius Annæus Seneca. >>>> >>>> Terrorism, the new religion. >> >> -- >> Religion is regarded by the common people as true, >> by the wise as false, >> and by the rulers as useful. >> >> — Lucius Annæus Seneca. >> >> Terrorism, the new religion. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Error in Select and install programs
On 04-04-2021 15:25, Orlando Canchola wrote: > Hi! The error is: "Installation step failed > > An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again > from the > menu, or skip it and choose something else" > > The environment desktop I tried to install is xfce Try to keep your answers to the list, Orlando, just in case somebody else runs into the same problem. This sounds like an operating system installation problem, not just a desktop environment. Is that what you're doing? Cheers! Harry. > El sáb., 3 de abril de 2021 11:20 p. m., Weaver > escribió: > >> On 04-04-2021 15:12, Orlando Canchola wrote: >>> Hi I am trying to install Debian buster but when I choose a >> desktop >>> environment and wait, an error occurs, so what could I do? >> >> Hullo, Orlando, >> >> Describe the error. >> Is there any message involved? >> Which desktop environment are you trying to install? >> Cheers! >> >> Harry. >> -- >> Religion is regarded by the common people as true, >> by the wise as false, >> and by the rulers as useful. >> >> — Lucius Annæus Seneca. >> >> Terrorism, the new religion. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Error in Select and install programs
On 04-04-2021 15:12, Orlando Canchola wrote: > Hi I am trying to install Debian buster but when I choose a desktop > environment and wait, an error occurs, so what could I do? Hullo, Orlando, Describe the error. Is there any message involved? Which desktop environment are you trying to install? Cheers! Harry. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)
On 23-03-2021 06:06, deloptes wrote: > Weaver wrote: > >> Not an easy language to learn, however, unless you already have Slavic >> roots. > > You mean Chinese is easier than Russian and Russian is harder than French? > And I mean not only speaking, but also writing Yes, once you understand the structure of Mandarin, it's not hard to get on top of it. Russian is harder than French, but the French find it easier to learn than most, because they are already familiar with concepts such as verb conjugation, which they both share. Cheers! Harry -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)
On 23-03-2021 05:47, deloptes wrote: > Weaver wrote: > >> Yes. >> But, once there, far better to learn the language. >> The resultant experience is well worth it. >> The money is not the same, but the cost of living is much lower. >> Cheers! > > I was thinking to go to Chech Republic or Russia - found the language > easier, but thanks anyway - will consider next Russia is a great experience also. A nation of workers, all going flat out. Good-hearted, genuine people. Not an easy language to learn, however, unless you already have Slavic roots. Cheers! Harry. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)
On 22-03-2021 19:00, deloptes wrote: > Weaver wrote: > >> They have some excellent language schools and, being surrounded by it, >> it's a fast way to learn. > > you mean I can look for a position in China without knowing Chinese? Yes. But, once there, far better to learn the language. The resultant experience is well worth it. The money is not the same, but the cost of living is much lower. Cheers! Harry -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)
On 22-03-2021 18:13, deloptes wrote: > Long Wind wrote: > >> where do you live? most rich Chinese are considering emigration to West, >> this is called vote by feet. how many people in West come to live in >> china? > > my problem is the language, otherwise we could switch for couple of years to > exchange experience They have some excellent language schools and, being surrounded by it, it's a fast way to learn. -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)
On 22-03-2021 16:49, Long Wind wrote: > On Monday, March 22, 2021, 2:20:20 PM GMT+8, deloptes > wrote: > > The difference as said is, that you know what China is doing, but you > do not > > know what USA is doing. The moment you speak out (Assange, Snowden and > many > > many others) it is the same as China. > > China is bad, but the illusion of democracy we live in here is even > worse. > > where do you live? most rich Chinese are considering emigration to > West, this is called vote by feet. how many people in West come to > live in china? Quite a few. Including many business class. > PS: now i have difficulty in using mail, because of government's > blocking, gmail and google is completely blocked, (yahoo is partially > blocked) -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)
On 22-03-2021 16:19, deloptes wrote: > Long Wind wrote: > >> term Chinese government is quite misleadingit's used as if it's same as >> other legitimate government, i.e. elected by people its true nature is >> criminal group, as described in bill by US senator > > The difference as said is, that you know what China is doing, but you do not > know what USA is doing. The moment you speak out (Assange, Snowden and many > many others) it is the same as China. > China is bad, but the illusion of democracy we live in here is even worse. I feel more free in China and Russia than I ever did on multiple trips to the U.S. I've been there half a dozen times to attend and speak at conferences. The last time, I wasn't even going there, just passing through. Waiting at L.A. International for a connecting flight. I was required (there was no option) to provide a retinal scan and undergo fingerprinting. A number of us were subjected to this. Note: we weren't in the country, had no intention of entering the U.S., and were all citizens of other (friendly) countries. This was in the days pre-TSA. I have never been there since, and never will. I check out all flights - I do a substantial amount of travelling - and if there's a U.S. connection involved, I choose a different route. The land of the free? Bullshit! The only ones who sincerely believe that have no point of comparison. I have had in depth discussions on any subject you care to name in both Russia and China. I really can't recall discussing political issues in the U.SW.: in those days I was simply too busy. I have never been subjected to treatment like that in either China or Russia. Cheers! Harry -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)
On 22-03-2021 11:20, Long Wind wrote: > deloptes wrote: > > Well, they are brain washed - in a sense they know that it is > impossible to > > stand up against and also might be not wise, because proven is the > fact > > they manage things better than neighbor India or developed Europe. > > I wanted to avoid being criticized for praising China. > > can you give some examples that china manage better than india or > europe? > like all dictatorship, china rule by violence and propaganda Rubbish! Obviously never been there. The Chinese cops are the friendliest I've ever come across. Nobody there has any hesitation in going to them with a problem. They see themselves as public servants, which is a perception that doesn't live in many westernised countries any more. If you need directions or advice, go to them: most of them have a translation app on their smart phones, and they'll set you right and do it with a smile. If you want governmental corruption, go to India. There's so much back-pocket business going on there, it's a whole new industry and, arguably, India's largest. Developed Europe? What would you call that? Macron's France or Merkel's Germany? > china do better , because all bad news are hidden by communist > leadership Garbage! There's an extremely active anti-corruption drive happening in China. Politicians found guilty of it get heavy prison sentences, at best, and often a death sentence. China now has lifted its entire population above poverty level. It's lauded by the World Bank as an unprecedented achievement. > term Chinese government is quite misleading > it's used as if it's same as other legitimate government, i.e. > elected by people It was. China has already had its revolution. What would you call a legitimate government? The U.S., where congressmen become millionaires, even billionaires, on salaries it's impossible to do it on, and nobody says a word? > its true nature is criminal group, as described in bill by US senator I think you need to stop believing everything you see on TV. But thanks for providing a perfect example of exactly what we have been talking about in the earlier stages of this conversation. Cheers! Harry. -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)
On 21-03-2021 20:39, deloptes wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> In hindsight, what was meant as a joke probably came out as mocking, I >> apologise for that. >> >> I'm sure you do know that the public key needs to be made available for >> others to be able to send you encrypted messages. >> >> Of course the *primary* private key should be protected properly. A >> Debian recommendation (that I can't find) was suggesting to generate and >> keep it on a Tails USB stick and use it only for certifying other keys. >> >> Day to day work (messages, signing packages, etc.) should be done with >> sub-keys instead. > > Yes, I recall this from the past. So basically there are two use cases here. > What I was reffering to is cases like Snowden or Assange or some > investigative journalists who do not survive like Navalni and are not > Russians ;-). Well, Navalny isn't an investigative journalist, he's just an agitator. And, word is, he's a CIA asset, so you're right in he isn't Russian, either. He got it lucky: I thought he'd wind up in Black Dolphin, or similar, but he got a really easy gig in a work camp, not far from Moscow. > You are reffering to cases in the public domain, but IMO here it works > perfectly well (signing packages or similar) > In the use case I reffer to one should take care of his/her life. This is important. The individual has the right to make their own decisions on their own personal existence. The right to make the wrong one, and the right to suffer by it. > Exchanging > keys via public domain is not what I would do and even so - it was > proven "they" are capturing your screen (after you decrypted) and sending > it home for further analyses. Making the `public domain `public' again would be a good move. When the network is owned, as it is now, there will always be compromise. There will be a `product' to sell. > In the public domain I do not see how the avg. Joe would manage it to stay > safe. It is impossible ... most do not care, do not understand or do not > have the capacity. Most are currently involved with whether they're going to be voting Republican or Democrat, next time, in and endless cycle of always voting for the same party with two different names, and which of the two only pre-selected Presidential candidates they are going to place their faith in, in a show that is no more than the illusion of a democratic process. > I would not bother unless they have the right to vote - > and yes they do and so determine your future. > > So to jump to the conclusion - this form of democracy is counter productive > and we should have open debate regarding some better form of democracy - > lets say next generation democracy. (Covid-19 also showed that a more > totalitarian/military style approach gives better results - and I do not > mean China here). I was in China at the time, and it was far from `totalitarian/militant'. The people just played it smart, as they also did in New Zealand, which was also not `totalitarian/militant'. Cheers! Harry -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)
On 21-03-2021 17:06, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On Sun Mar 21 00:01:59 2021 Stefan Monnier wrote: > >>> In my (not so humble) opinion, this level of security could make >>> sense for a disident in a totalitarian state, less so for regular >>> users in democratic country. >> >> Reminds me of the saying that the difference between USA and USSR was >> that in USSR the population knew that it was propaganda. > > Under capitalism, man exploits man. > Under communism, it's just the opposite. > -- John Kenneth Galbraith That's actually a paraphrase of an old Polish proverb: `Under capitalism man exploits man; under socialism the reverse is true' -- Polish Proverb. Cheers! Harry -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Copying stuck
On 21-03-2021 11:32, komodo wrote: > Hi, > > last two months when I copy multiple files from USB or SD to HDD after the > first > file copying stucks. > > I don't know if this is some known bug but it's really annoying. > > I have already reported this problem upstream, but no response. > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=434145 > > So please if someone has some info let me know. > > This is really annoying. You don't mention what version you are running, but I've just finished transferring multiple GBs of movies from one machine to another, via sneaker net (flash drive) without incident. I'm running SID on an old Dell Optiplex 980. Cheers! Harry. -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Markdown previewer
On 18-03-2021 04:38, Gilles Mocellin wrote: > Le mercredi 17 mars 2021, 07:30:36 CET Victor Sudakov a écrit : > >> Dear Colleagues, > >> > >> Can you please advise a good GUI Markdown previewer? > >> > >> Many editors (vim, mousepad) can highlight Markdown syntax, but it's > a > >> different matter. I'd like the previewer to display rendered > Markdown > >> nicely with fonts, hyperlinks, numbered lists etc. > Hello ! > A light weight one is Remarkable : > > https://remarkableapp.github.io/linux.html Yes, that looks good. Thanks. -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Markdown previewer
On 17-03-2021 22:10, Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 17:40:19 +0700 > Victor Sudakov wrote: > >> Weaver wrote: >> > >> Can you please advise a good GUI Markdown previewer? >> > >> >> > >> Many editors (vim, mousepad) can highlight Markdown syntax, but it's a >> > >> different matter. I'd like the previewer to display rendered Markdown >> > >> nicely with fonts, hyperlinks, numbered lists etc. >> > >> >> > > VSCodium (https://vscodium.com) can do a good job of this, and is a >> > > popular all-purpose IDE. Simply open the Markdown file and press Ctrl+K, >> > > V to get a live side-by-side preview. >> > > >> > > If you want something command-line based, then you need to convert the >> > > Markdown code to code that some other renderer will understand. Pandoc >> > > (https://packages.debian.org/buster/pandoc) can do that for you with a >> > > simple "pandoc -o README.html README.md" or "pandoc -o README.pdf >> > > README.md" etc. >> > >> > Or, at the other end of the spectrum, you might like to try out Typora. >> > Cheers! >> >> Looks nice, thank you. I did not quite understand however, is it a >> commercial software, non-free? > > Yes: > > https://support.typora.io/License-Agreement/ > https://snapcraft.io/typora Right! I realised afterward, I had downloaded it, but obviously conditions have changed. None of this was obvious then. I just downloaded the beta from here: https://typora.io/#linux Once it's in your apt.sources list, it pulls in all the pandoc and other packages required (a considerable number). But the amount of space and the loading time I didn't like, so uninstalled it. I have still to check out ghostwriter. Cheers! Harry > > Celejar -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Markdown previewer
On 17-03-2021 20:40, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Weaver wrote: >> >> Can you please advise a good GUI Markdown previewer? >> >> >> >> Many editors (vim, mousepad) can highlight Markdown syntax, but it's a >> >> different matter. I'd like the previewer to display rendered Markdown >> >> nicely with fonts, hyperlinks, numbered lists etc. >> >> >> > VSCodium (https://vscodium.com) can do a good job of this, and is a >> > popular all-purpose IDE. Simply open the Markdown file and press Ctrl+K, >> > V to get a live side-by-side preview. >> > >> > If you want something command-line based, then you need to convert the >> > Markdown code to code that some other renderer will understand. Pandoc >> > (https://packages.debian.org/buster/pandoc) can do that for you with a >> > simple "pandoc -o README.html README.md" or "pandoc -o README.pdf >> > README.md" etc. >> >> Or, at the other end of the spectrum, you might like to try out Typora. >> Cheers! > > Looks nice, thank you. I did not quite understand however, is it a > commercial software, non-free? Just did a quick search, and it no longer appears to be in the repositories. Ghostwriter might be another alternative. That's available. Cheers! Harry -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Markdown previewer
On 17-03-2021 18:34, Darac Marjal wrote: > On 17/03/2021 06:30, Victor Sudakov wrote: >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> Can you please advise a good GUI Markdown previewer? >> >> Many editors (vim, mousepad) can highlight Markdown syntax, but it's a >> different matter. I'd like the previewer to display rendered Markdown >> nicely with fonts, hyperlinks, numbered lists etc. >> > VSCodium (https://vscodium.com) can do a good job of this, and is a > popular all-purpose IDE. Simply open the Markdown file and press Ctrl+K, > V to get a live side-by-side preview. > > If you want something command-line based, then you need to convert the > Markdown code to code that some other renderer will understand. Pandoc > (https://packages.debian.org/buster/pandoc) can do that for you with a > simple "pandoc -o README.html README.md" or "pandoc -o README.pdf > README.md" etc. Or, at the other end of the spectrum, you might like to try out Typora. Cheers! Harry -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Google vs. DDG
On 14-03-2021 08:59, ellanios82 wrote: > On 3/14/21 12:20 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> Still, the quality of the results isn't an absolute measure depending only >> on the search engine > > > - sometimes, find russian search-engine helpful Yes, I use that for it's local focus, especially, and a few others. One doesn't cover it all. I just don't use Google. Cheers! Harry. -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Google vs. DDG
On 14-03-2021 06:58, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Felix Miata [2021-03-13 15:44:50] wrote: >> Charlie Gibbs composed on 2021-03-13 11:04 (UTC-0800): >>> (DuckDuckGo works fine for searches.) >> I use Google and DDG. It's not unusual here to have DDG to return 0 hits, >> and the >> exact same search repeated in Google return multiple good hits. > > The choice of DuckDuckGo is usually not based on the quality of the > results it offers ;-) It wasn't my initial priority for switching, some years ago now, but from somebody who does a lot of research, it's all I need. I only use things like Google scholar for bibliography references, along with other sources. Any organisation who participates in dinner parties with the President (from whichever party) doesn't dine with me. http://www.financetwitter.com/2011/02/obama-dinner-steve-jobs-mark-zuckerberg-are-vvip.html Cheers! Harry -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: How i can optimize my operating system?
On 12-03-2021 16:59, deloptes wrote: > Felix Miata wrote: > >> Several months ago FB turned nearly useless with sloth. I have a sense >> what happened is it started screening everything for potential to censor. >> I can type nearly a sentence before any characters appear on screen. >> Anything serious I wish to post has to be composed elsewhere and pasted >> in, then wait and wait and wait for ack. > > I have a simple solution to that. I never had or will ever have a facebook > or whatever SM account. > It is just a waste of time. The debian user list (and some others are much > better) +1. I have never had a Facebook account and never will. The only time I come across the interface is by accident when running round the web. There are far better, more constructive things to do in life. Cheers! Harry -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?
On 10-03-2021 17:05, deloptes wrote: > Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > >> I would like to install Debian 10 with the KDE Plasma task >> on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 @ 2.33 GHz, >> it doesn't have a GPU. >> Do you think it would run without problems >> or would it be slow and laggy? > > Yes, I think it will not work - better try lighter desktops or the older KDE > that is called now Trinity Desktop Try Enlightenment. It's very configurable once get familiar with all the options. Cheers! Harry -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.
On 10-03-2021 13:08, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > Hello. > > While I was making my research before installing Debian > I saw that the filesystem hierarchy is not so friendly > (I'm new to GNU/Linux operating systems). Yes, you are. There is nothing `unfriendly' concerning the filesystem heirarchy. What negative experiences have you had with it, so far, that inclines you to this point of view? > I saw there was a distribution called GoboLinux which > addressed that inconvenience, but according to a DistroWatch review, > it is not usable at all. Again, there is no inconvenience. > In my opinion, I think there would be no need to make another distro > to make such customizations to the system, it would be better > if it were implemented at a package level on an existing distro. > > So, my question is: Is there a way to put another, more friendly, > filesystem hierarchy to Debian, like the one of GoboLinux? If Gobolinux is not usable, as you say, why do you seek to emulate it? The current file system set up is far from `unfriendly', in my experience. Cheers! Harry. -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Installation problems
On 03-03-2021 06:31, Brian wrote: > On Tue 02 Mar 2021 at 14:09:18 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> I've one fine machine running i386 flavor of Debian 9.13 . >> I've wish to install 64 bit flavor on a second machine. >> debian-10.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso was successfully downloaded & saved. >> >> I've a couple of 8GB flash drives which have served as installation media in >> past. IIRC I could use gparted to wipe them before using dd to copy the iso >> to the entire device. I use GParted to wipe them. On too many occasions I've had the installation complaining about writing to `dirty' media, and using GParted beforehand always stops that. Cheers! Harry -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Debian install Question
On 25-02-2021 14:53, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 24 Feb 2021 at 16:44:18 (-0800), Weaver wrote: >> On 25-02-2021 09:32, Dan Ritter wrote: >> > IL Ka wrote: >> >> >> >> I am sorry for giving inadequate advice. Please forgive me as I am new to >> >> Debian. >> >> My idea was to install Debian, and then install non-free firmware. >> >> This is quite possible. >> >> >> This is the third question about "how to install Debian if I have nic that >> >> needs non-free firmware" I see in this list on this week. >> >> >> >> So, what is the best practice to do so? Use an unofficial installer that >> >> contains non-free firmware? >> >> That's actually not required. >> For a little while now, I've had a 2016 Acer TravelMate. >> This requires three different blobs of non-free software to operate >> efficiently. >> As long as you opt for the nonfree and contrib lines to be included in >> your sources.list file during installation, they're there when the >> install process is over. >> As soon as the netinst disc is spat out and reboot happens, there >> appears to be a period when I can install aptitude, mc, menu, and a >> couple of other niceties. >> I then call up aptitude interface and go through the kernel nonfree >> sector for the blobs I require, clearly delineated during the install >> process. >> Intel's iwlwifi being one of the packages required for this machine. > > How do you get the wifi to connect, in order to fetch the firmware, > without the firmware that the wifi needs to connect? The netinst connection seems to remain `live' for a short period of time before you are isolated. I would have thought the reboot would have cut me off, but that's not the case. Perhaps it's a feature the developers don't know about, but it has worked for me on at least three occasions, now. >> >> If so, I believe this info is worth adding to the Debian installation >> >> guide >> >> somewhere in the wiki, so we can give a link to this wiki to newbies. >> >> Definitely! >> >> >> It seems that a lot of people face this problem trying to install Debian >> >> on >> >> their laptops. >> >> It's how I learnt to deal with it, two or three installs later. > > Cheers, > David. -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: Debian install Question
On 25-02-2021 09:32, Dan Ritter wrote: > IL Ka wrote: >> >> I am sorry for giving inadequate advice. Please forgive me as I am new to >> Debian. >> My idea was to install Debian, and then install non-free firmware. This is quite possible. >> This is the third question about "how to install Debian if I have nic that >> needs non-free firmware" I see in this list on this week. >> >> So, what is the best practice to do so? Use an unofficial installer that >> contains non-free firmware? That's actually not required. For a little while now, I've had a 2016 Acer TravelMate. This requires three different blobs of non-free software to operate efficiently. As long as you opt for the nonfree and contrib lines to be included in your sources.list file during installation, they're there when the install process is over. As soon as the netinst disc is spat out and reboot happens, there appears to be a period when I can install aptitude, mc, menu, and a couple of other niceties. I then call up aptitude interface and go through the kernel nonfree sector for the blobs I require, clearly delineated during the install process. Intel's iwlwifi being one of the packages required for this machine. >> If so, I believe this info is worth adding to the Debian installation guide >> somewhere in the wiki, so we can give a link to this wiki to newbies. Definitely! >> It seems that a lot of people face this problem trying to install Debian on >> their laptops. It's how I learnt to deal with it, two or three installs later. Cheers! Harry. -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein
Re: shadowy, sort of fly by night debian mirrors? ...
On 22-02-2021 07:09, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> 5) the mirror debian site (ftp.acc.umu.se) had smelly prefixes as
>> subdomains (apparently Chinese transliterations) {chuangtzu, laotzu}
>
> FWIW, when naming machines in a subdomain (e.g. for .acc.umu.se) it's
> quite common to first decide on a "theme" and then pick names from that
> theme. E.g. a computer lab's nodes may all have names of dinosaurs, or
> names of alcoholic drinks, etc...
>
> Searching for chuangtzu and laotzu suggests these are names of great
> figures of Taoism, so it seems very kosher to me.
The only mirror that has ever pulled anything hinky with me, over about
20 years, was the Australian one: mirror.aarnet.edu.au.
I got dropped any number of times, then advised `server unobtainable',
persistently.
These days, under current circumstances of insanity, I should feel much
more comfortable working of a Chinese server than any number of others.
But then, I'm not a bankrupt national context grasping at straws on the
way down.
Cheers!
Harry.
--
`The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but
because of those who look on without doing anything'.
-- Albert Einstein
Re: Does anyone else use Bibus
On 12-01-2021 18:07, deloptes wrote: > Rob Hurle wrote: > >> *Bibus* >> I'm using Debian Stretch and have been for some time. For bibliographic >> work, I want to use Bibus. If anyone else out there is using this useful >> bit of software I'd like to know, or if anyone knows of a mailing list to >> discuss issues, I'd also like to know. My problem with Bibus is to do >> with editing styles. In the "Fields Ordering" tab I am unable to delete >> any of the items (such as "Author") that refer to database entries. I can >> insert new entries, but can't delete ones I don't want. Is this a known >> bug? > > I don't know bibus, but I know that such python school project stuff is > fragile becomes unmaintained and shortly is just a waste of time. > >>From my experience the "only" true one is BibTeX in combination with LaTeX. > It was perfectly integrated and working in Lyx last time I used it. BibTex and NatBib are the two predominantly used. You can employ something like Jabref to help, but referencing is easy enough. Cheers! Harry -- `We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false'. -- William Casey, CIA Director (first staff meeting, 1981)
Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”?
On 11-01-2021 02:28, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 10 ian 21, 05:27:26, Weaver wrote: >> >> Unless you're running a server, it's a good idea to be running SID, and >> then you don't have to worry about it anyway. > > Been there, done that. One can learn a lot, especially from the troubles > (which I got into literally days after the first time I upgraded to sid; > the story is in the d-u archives) ;) > > It takes *lots* of time to maintain. > > Eventually I stayed with stable, because it just works with minimal > maintenance. I rarely have a problem, and even when I do, time alone solves it, because the fix is already on the way. I've been running a small business on SID for years now. If it wasn't reliable and consistent enough, I would have changed an equal number of years ago. Agreed, Stable is the only alternative, because the fixes simply don't arrive in Testing fast enough, but I've never had to wait with SID. I've been using that since Libranet died. Any real problems stemmed from me, and my handling of the situation, so the fix was at hand. But I've never found myself spending more time fixing than was worth it. Cheers! Harry -- `We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false'. -- William Casey, CIA Director (first staff meeting, 1981)
Re: How i do upgrade my operating system to Debian “buster”?
On 10-01-2021 22:44, Peter Ehlert wrote: > On 1/9/21 5:04 PM, John Hasler wrote: >> Carl Fink writes: >>> I'm repeating the recommendation I've seen on this very list for >>> decades. >> It is an incorrect recommendation. Upgrading works well and is >> supported and recommended by Debian. > > sometimes, but not always. I prefer Reinstall, it's painless > > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade > > "Performing a release upgrade is not without risk. The upgrade may > fail, leaving the system in a non-functioning state. USERS SHOULD > BACKUP ALL DATA before attempting a release upgrade" Crossing the road is not without risk. Reinstalling, is not without risk. Neither is an upgrade. In any case, there are protocols to observe and, that done, there's little to fear. I haven't had trouble for years. update safe-upgrade Edit /etc/apt/sources.list update full-upgrade And you're home and hosed. Unless you're running a server, it's a good idea to be running SID, and then you don't have to worry about it anyway. Cheers! Harry. -- `We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false'. -- William Casey, CIA Director (first staff meeting, 1981)
Re: who is tracking me?
On 02-01-2021 01:58, Mike McClain wrote: > My old PIII died and I replaced it with a Raspberry PI running > the Raspbian derivative of Debian. > It's clear just from the cookies that PaleMoon browser and > Chromium call home every time they are used. > The number of other apps that are keeping history of my > usage/transactions that I see no need for is many. > What tools need I use to see what sites on the Inet are contacted? Well, this one's for Firefox, but that's more secure than most: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/lightbeam-3-0/ Dropping by Adobe, and then checking out who they associate with is interesting. Using duckduckgo for searching, rather than Google helps a lot. And installing NoScript works. Cheers! Harry. -- `We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false'. -- William Casey, CIA Director (first staff meeting, 1981)
Re: Some recent update to unstable seems to have broken Xfce4 for me
On 28-12-2020 05:58, Celejar wrote: > Hi, > > Some recent update to unstable seems to have broken Xfce4 for me: I > can't suspend the the machine anymore. When I try the keyboard shortcut > I've configured (that has worked for years), I get an error popup > window: > > Received error while trying to log out > GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: > Type of message, "(yb)", does not match expected type "(b") > > (I've googled this message and found other references to it, but no > clear solution / interpretation: > > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/626284/thunar-bug-should-i-report-to-xfce-or-ubuntu > https://askubuntu.com/questions/1233288/unable-to-logout-from-guest-session-on-xubuntu-20-04 > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1729059 > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/xfce-wont-let-me-log-out-anymore.76968/ > https://www.reddit.com/r/xfce/comments/bej4xx/received_error_while_trying_to_log_out/ > ) > > When I try the little "sleepy moon" icon, I get a different popup window: > > Failed to run action "Suspend" > GDBus.Error:org.xfce.SessionManager.Error.Failed: Failed to lock the screen. > > Any ideas? The only related? fault I can see with my set up, also Xfce unstable, is I can't enter the password to unlock it. I have no problem anywhere else. Cheers! Harry -- `We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false'. -- William Casey, CIA Director (first staff meeting, 1981)
Re: May I please have a block cursor in nano?
On 26-12-2020 06:53, Curt wrote: > On 2020-12-25, Bob Bernstein wrote: >> This question could not possibly be more OT, but banking on the >> yuletide spirit and the generally benign mood of most on this >> list, I make so bold as to pose it thus, bluntly. >> >> I have prowled in 'man nanorc' for some time now... > >>From what I've gathered the cursor is drawn by the terminal or terminal > emulator and not by the application running in the terminal. Correct! If the terminal you're using doesn't supply you with that facility, it might be time to look at an alternative. There are many to choose from. Cheers! Harry -- `We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false'. -- William Casey, CIA Director (first staff meeting, 1981)
Re: Configuring my Epson L360 printer in Debian 10, gnome
On 22-11-2020 06:55, Brian wrote: > On Sat 21 Nov 2020 at 11:44:03 -0800, Weaver wrote: > >> On 22-11-2020 02:54, Brian wrote: >> > On Fri 20 Nov 2020 at 23:03:45 -0800, Weaver wrote: >> > >> >> On 21-11-2020 16:11, Edgar Villanueva Jr wrote: >> >> > I've tried to follow the instructions and recommended guide before but >> >> > it didn't work. >> >> >> >> Open Printing has hesitantly placed it in the `paperweight' category. >> > >> > User contributed emtries are not always accurate. This one isn't. >> >> Note the word `hesitantly'. > > I did. And I checked the accuracy of the entry. You? > >> >> And Epson doesn't appear to produce a driver for it. >> >> >> >> https://www.openprinting.org/printer/Epson/Epson-L360 >> >> >> >> https://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/ >> > >> > Is "doesn't" a typo? >> >> No. > > Then you need to read the output after l360 is entered in the search box. `Black & White printer, this is a Paperweight' _is_ the output, and Epson, on Linux drivers for that model, doesn't deliver an output. > >> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/doesnt >> >> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/doesn't >> >> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/doesn-t >> >> Thank you for your contribution. > > Glad it is appreciated. For what it's worth. -- `Unix IS user-friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are'. --Tollef Fog Heen
Re: Configuring my Epson L360 printer in Debian 10, gnome
On 22-11-2020 02:54, Brian wrote: > On Fri 20 Nov 2020 at 23:03:45 -0800, Weaver wrote: > >> On 21-11-2020 16:11, Edgar Villanueva Jr wrote: >> > I've tried to follow the instructions and recommended guide before but >> > it didn't work. >> >> Open Printing has hesitantly placed it in the `paperweight' category. > > User contributed emtries are not always accurate. This one isn't. Note the word `hesitantly'. >> And Epson doesn't appear to produce a driver for it. >> >> https://www.openprinting.org/printer/Epson/Epson-L360 >> >> https://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/ > > Is "doesn't" a typo? No. https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/doesnt https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/doesn't https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/doesn-t Thank you for your contribution. Cheers! Harry Weaver. -- `Unix IS user-friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are'. --Tollef Fog Heen
Re: Configuring my Epson L360 printer in Debian 10, gnome
On 21-11-2020 16:11, Edgar Villanueva Jr wrote: > I've tried to follow the instructions and recommended guide before but > it didn't work. Open Printing has hesitantly placed it in the `paperweight' category. And Epson doesn't appear to produce a driver for it. https://www.openprinting.org/printer/Epson/Epson-L360 https://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/ -- `This is Unix. It gives you enough rope to hang yourself'. -- Miguel Van Smoorenburg
Re: Problem on configuration of Epson L360 printer in Debian 10 gnome
On 21-11-2020 15:59, Edgar Villanueva Jr wrote: > I've followed the recommended guide until I arrived at the Epson L364 > (driver) preconfigured but when I print, the output is different. Please define `different'. Cheers! Harry Weaver -- `This is Unix. It gives you enough rope to hang yourself'. -- Miguel Van Smoorenburg
Re: How to write in Chinese
On 20-11-2020 13:04, Markos wrote: > Please, > > I am studying Chinese and I need to install fonts to type ideograms in Debian > 9. > > I use Brazilian Portuguese, but I don't want to reconfigure my > computer to type only in Chinese. > > Using LibreOffice or with a specific program to generate the ideograms > only when needed. > > Any tip? It could well be worth your while to get on top of LaTeX, through the Texmaker editor or similar. Install the font programmes you require, and employ Babel. You can employ both languages within the same document. It's what I do. It's not such a learning curve, but it depends on how serious you are. Cheers! Harry Weaver. -- `This is Unix. It gives you enough rope to hang yourself'. -- Miguel Van Smoorenburg
Re: La Comisión Europea aprueba la nueva Estrategia de Software de Código Abierto 2020-2023
On 27-10-2020 20:01, Iker Bilbao wrote: > https://www.casadomo.com/2020/10/27/comision-europea-aprueba-nueva-estrategia-software-codigo-abierto-2020-2023 Bravo! -- `One day the great European War will come out of some damned foolish thing in the Balkans' (1888). -- Otto von Bismarck
Re: Please be respectful
On 18-10-2020 11:42, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > Le 17 octobre 2020 23:03:22 GMT+02:00, Weaver a > écrit : And now we go another step further: with double postings into my inbox. Why don't you massage your petit ego requirements on somebody else's time.? I'm quite sure everybody here is as sick of it as I am. >> On 18-10-2020 00:53, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 10:39:01PM -0700, Weaver wrote: >> On 17-10-2020 15:05, Michael uplawski wrote: >> Leslie Rhorer: >> Until someone does earn respect, there is no reason anyone >> should afford it them. It is utterly ridiculous to think everyone >> deserves respect. >> >> This is where you are excluding yourself from the human community. >> Face >> it. Live with it. *We* will be fine, anyway. > > Rubbish! > > Tone not helpful here on either side. > > Rubbish is rubbish > Some may see a point in dressing it up as otherwise. > I don't. > >>> There are certain qualities which must be extended before you are >>> worthy >>> of receiving them, trust, loyalty, to mention a couple, but you >>> can >>> throw respect in there also, along with one or two others. >>> I have to earn the respect of every child I meet, and maintain the >>> standard every time I encounter that child in the future. >>> Some, in their retarded viewpoint, believe respect is something >>> engendered by social position. >> >> Retarded is not a helpful term here or, indeed, anywhere. > > Retarded is retarded. > You seem to prefer to believe it is aimed at an individual, when it is > clearly applied to a viewpoint. > >>> Wrong! >>> Social position is engendered by earned level of respect. >>> `excluding yourself from the human community', what a load of >>> puerile >>> ignorance! >> >> Puerile here is also not helpful. Considered, constructive language >> which advances a thought through viewpoint is preferable. >> Another way of putting it "never argue with an idiot on the >> Internet. >> After a couple of rounds, a dispassionate observer will not be able >> to tell who's who" > > Puerile is puerile. > `Immature, especially in being silly or trivial; childish'. > The terminology applies: employ it. > `Considered, constructive language' - is language which communicates > effectively. > `which advances a thought through viewpoint' - Pseudo-intellectual > waffle! > You know another method? > Observation is dependent on conditioned viewpoint. > Beginning, end, and entire middle of story. > >> If you were to treat your readers with a greater consideration for >> their intellect, you might come across better. > > A discerning intellect would have not sent this to me directly, would > have identified the aspects specified more accurately, and kept it on > list. > > > >> See also Edward Gibbon - Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, >> chapter 2 > > We live in exactly those times, a classic example being played out > before our very eyes. > > You currently just are making yourself look both arrogant and > ridiculous. I guess this is why Andrew sent his reply just to you, > instead of giving you another shovel to dig with. > > I don't know what you are trying to achieve here, but I stand my point > : your lack of respect for others is not welcome here. > > Regards. > -- > Pierre-Elliott Bécue -- `Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. Registered Linux User: 554515
Re: Please be respectful
On 18-10-2020 11:42, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > Le 17 octobre 2020 23:03:22 GMT+02:00, Weaver a > écrit : > >> On 18-10-2020 00:53, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 10:39:01PM -0700, Weaver wrote: >> On 17-10-2020 15:05, Michael uplawski wrote: >> Leslie Rhorer: >> Until someone does earn respect, there is no reason anyone >> should afford it them. It is utterly ridiculous to think everyone >> deserves respect. >> >> This is where you are excluding yourself from the human community. >> Face >> it. Live with it. *We* will be fine, anyway. > > Rubbish! > > Tone not helpful here on either side. > > Rubbish is rubbish > Some may see a point in dressing it up as otherwise. > I don't. > >>> There are certain qualities which must be extended before you are >>> worthy >>> of receiving them, trust, loyalty, to mention a couple, but you >>> can >>> throw respect in there also, along with one or two others. >>> I have to earn the respect of every child I meet, and maintain the >>> standard every time I encounter that child in the future. >>> Some, in their retarded viewpoint, believe respect is something >>> engendered by social position. >> >> Retarded is not a helpful term here or, indeed, anywhere. > > Retarded is retarded. > You seem to prefer to believe it is aimed at an individual, when it is > clearly applied to a viewpoint. > >>> Wrong! >>> Social position is engendered by earned level of respect. >>> `excluding yourself from the human community', what a load of >>> puerile >>> ignorance! >> >> Puerile here is also not helpful. Considered, constructive language >> which advances a thought through viewpoint is preferable. >> Another way of putting it "never argue with an idiot on the >> Internet. >> After a couple of rounds, a dispassionate observer will not be able >> to tell who's who" > > Puerile is puerile. > `Immature, especially in being silly or trivial; childish'. > The terminology applies: employ it. > `Considered, constructive language' - is language which communicates > effectively. > `which advances a thought through viewpoint' - Pseudo-intellectual > waffle! > You know another method? > Observation is dependent on conditioned viewpoint. > Beginning, end, and entire middle of story. > >> If you were to treat your readers with a greater consideration for >> their intellect, you might come across better. > > A discerning intellect would have not sent this to me directly, would > have identified the aspects specified more accurately, and kept it on > list. > > > >> See also Edward Gibbon - Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, >> chapter 2 > > We live in exactly those times, a classic example being played out > before our very eyes. > > You currently just are making yourself look both arrogant and > ridiculous. In your perception. I guess this is why Andrew sent his reply just to you, > instead of giving you another shovel to dig with. > > I don't know what you are trying to achieve here, but I stand my point > : your lack of respect for others is not welcome here. And I stand mine: respect is a quality that needs to be earned. I see A plethora of others who grasp the opportunity to ascend their lecterns and preach, you being one of them, and this I can ignore, but if it continues, and then my inbox gets cluttered with direct communications of an incident I have long left in the rear vision mirror, you get what you earn. One poster delivered what _you_ earned, but there has obviously been no effort to reflect and philosophies of convenience hold sway. Leave the subject alone. -- `Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. Registered Linux User: 554515
Re: Please be respectful
On 18-10-2020 00:53, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 10:39:01PM -0700, Weaver wrote: >> On 17-10-2020 15:05, Michael uplawski wrote: >> > Leslie Rhorer: >> >> Until someone does earn respect, there is no reason anyone >> >> should afford it them. It is utterly ridiculous to think everyone >> >> deserves respect. >> > >> > This is where you are excluding yourself from the human community. Face >> > it. Live with it. *We* will be fine, anyway. >> >> Rubbish! > > Tone not helpful here on either side. Rubbish is rubbish Some may see a point in dressing it up as otherwise. I don't. >> There are certain qualities which must be extended before you are worthy >> of receiving them, trust, loyalty, to mention a couple, but you can >> throw respect in there also, along with one or two others. >> I have to earn the respect of every child I meet, and maintain the >> standard every time I encounter that child in the future. >> Some, in their retarded viewpoint, believe respect is something >> engendered by social position. > > Retarded is not a helpful term here or, indeed, anywhere. Retarded is retarded. You seem to prefer to believe it is aimed at an individual, when it is clearly applied to a viewpoint. >> Wrong! >> Social position is engendered by earned level of respect. >> `excluding yourself from the human community', what a load of puerile >> ignorance! >> > > Puerile here is also not helpful. Considered, constructive language > which advances a thought through viewpoint is preferable. > Another way of putting it "never argue with an idiot on the Internet. > After a couple of rounds, a dispassionate observer will not be able > to tell who's who" Puerile is puerile. `Immature, especially in being silly or trivial; childish'. The terminology applies: employ it. `Considered, constructive language' - is language which communicates effectively. `which advances a thought through viewpoint' - Pseudo-intellectual waffle! You know another method? Observation is dependent on conditioned viewpoint. Beginning, end, and entire middle of story. > If you were to treat your readers with a greater consideration for > their intellect, you might come across better. A discerning intellect would have not sent this to me directly, would have identified the aspects specified more accurately, and kept it on list. > See also Edward Gibbon - Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, chapter 2 We live in exactly those times, a classic example being played out before our very eyes. -- `Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. Registered Linux User: 554515
Re: Please be respectful
On 17-10-2020 16:59, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 16 oct 20, 16:46:42, Leslie Rhorer wrote: >> >> On 10/16/2020 4:57 AM, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: >> >> > Feel free to ignore """lazy""" people from now on, but don't be >> > irrespectful to them. >> > >> > You have no right to, and they don't deserve it. >> >> There is no such word - or concept - as irrespectful. > > Please excuse us non-native English speakers for such mistakes. As far > as I can tell Pierre-Elliot meant "rude". > >> The point you were >> apparently trying to make, however, is just completely wrong. I, and anyone >> else, have every right to reserve my respect from whomever I choose. >> Respect is *EARNED*. It is not a right and it is not a privilege. Until >> someone does earn respect, there is no reason anyone should afford it them. >> It is utterly ridiculous to think everyone deserves respect. If it is >> afforded to everyone, then it becomes totally worthless. > > This could be understood that in your opinion it is ok to be rude to a > person unless that person has somehow earned your respect. > > Is this what you meant? I think this might be classified as a `qualified' interpretation. This was not the assertion put forward. Nowhere is this stated. The property put forward is `respect'. Nowhere is it stated that it's O.K. to be rude to somebody because they don't respect you. What _I_ would put forward is it's O.K. to be rude to somebody who has imposed rudeness upon you. But I'm generally better at it. Cheers! Harry > > Kind regards, > Andrei -- `Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. Registered Linux User: 554515
Re: Please be respectful
On 17-10-2020 15:05, Michael uplawski wrote: > Leslie Rhorer: >> Until someone does earn respect, there is no reason anyone >> should afford it them. It is utterly ridiculous to think everyone >> deserves respect. > > This is where you are excluding yourself from the human community. Face > it. Live with it. *We* will be fine, anyway. Rubbish! There are certain qualities which must be extended before you are worthy of receiving them, trust, loyalty, to mention a couple, but you can throw respect in there also, along with one or two others. I have to earn the respect of every child I meet, and maintain the standard every time I encounter that child in the future. Some, in their retarded viewpoint, believe respect is something engendered by social position. Wrong! Social position is engendered by earned level of respect. `excluding yourself from the human community', what a load of puerile ignorance! -- `Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. Registered Linux User: 554515
Re: Please be respectful
On 14-10-2020 18:30, Christoph K. wrote: > On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 23:06:55 -0700 > Weaver wrote : > >> > "as I learnt to read years ago," >> It's appropriate sarcasm. > > Disagreed. > It's simply disrespectful. > > >> For those who require spoon feeding: > > As is this comment, too. > > > Sarcasm can be fun sometimes, but I believe it's no appropriate way to > communicate on debian mailing lists. It can lead to misunderstandings and > people being hurt, apart from making a bad impressions on others reading > this list. > > Please re-read the Debian Code of Conduct and consider being more polite: > https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct Being polite is a standard that has to apply to all. I consider the original post not to be. To me I see an outstanding example of laziness from somebody who obviously needs no consideration in the accessibility department. Scrolling an alphabetically arranged file system doesn't even qualify as trivial. It can be accomplished as quickly as you can move your hand. The use of find and/or locate will dig up anything, no matter how deeply hidden in a plethora of directories. If that is insufficient and the standard has to be established in an instance where an iron lung is in use, direct a bug report to the appropriate quarter, which I have already supplied, where they can put it at the far end of a list behind things that really need doing. Kind regards, Harry. -- `Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. Registered Linux User: 554515
Re: one thing i don't like about Thunar file manager
On 14-10-2020 14:21, kaye n wrote: >>> Let's say there are three files with the names - >>> apple-pie >>> banana-split >>> orange-juice >>> >>> On the file manager window, I would type the letter o and the file >>> 'orange-juice' would be selected. However, I would also want the >>> ability to select that file by typing j (for juice). >>> >>> This is possible with another file manager, but not with Thunar as >> far >>> as I can tell. >>> Am I wrong? What other file managers would you recommend for my >>> Debian system that has that feature? >> >> I'd never need that feature for myself, as I learnt to read years >> ago, > > I realize my question may be an eye-roller for some people, but > > "as I learnt to read years ago," > > is the type of answer that makes non-Linux users think that we're a > bunch of elitist snob. No, it doesn't. It's appropriate sarcasm. A quick scroll and a basic knowledge of the alphabet is all that's required to locate any file/directory in even a complex listing. And no new user is involved, that statement is right in the post. so the straw-man doesn't apply. For those who require spoon feeding: https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/bugs > Thanks anyway No problem! -- `Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. Registered Linux User: 554515
Re: Thunderbird / enigmail
On 13-10-2020 23:26, D. R. Evans wrote: > I see that the latest official updates to debian stable want to remove > enigmail and install a new version of Thunderbird. > > I recall a couple of years ago the same thing happened, and encrypted e-mail > was effectively broken for a couple of months until a version of enigmail > compatible with the updated Thunderbird became available from the official > repository. But I seem to recall reading somewhere a while back that the > enigmail functionality was going to be incorporated into Thunderbird upstream. > So I am wondering if perhaps this has happened and that that is what the > intended removal of enigmail signifies: i.e., that encrypted e-mail is part of > the newer Thunderbird that is now in the official repository. > > So I'd like to know if anyone who uses encrypted e-mail has taken the plunge > and installed the newer version of Thunderbird that the official buster > repository is offering (and also, therefore, removed enigmail); and, if so, > have there been any issues with using encrypted e-mail following the update. None. There's a transfer agent in the new Thunderbird which transfers the while scenario. But, I took the opportunity to transfer over to Claws-mail, as it broke Lightning, anyway. No negative aspects that I can discern, with the right plug-ins. Cheers! Harry -- `Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. Registered Linux User: 554515
Re: one thing i don't like about Thunar file manager
On 13-10-2020 11:57, kaye n wrote: > Hi guys, I don't know if there's any way to set it, but I would like > to be able to do the following in Thunar file manager: > > Let's say there are three files with the names - > apple-pie > banana-split > orange-juice > > On the file manager window, I would type the letter o and the file > 'orange-juice' would be selected. However, I would also want the > ability to select that file by typing j (for juice). > > This is possible with another file manager, but not with Thunar as far > as I can tell. > Am I wrong? What other file managers would you recommend for my > Debian system that has that feature? I'd never need that feature for myself, as I learnt to read years ago, but don't you think it would be more constructive to file as a bug with the Thunar people? Kind regards, Harry -- `Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. Registered Linux User: 554515
