Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 02:38:35AM EST, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/27/2009 07:23 PM, Chris Jones wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 07:56:39PM EST, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/27/2009 05:35 PM, Chris Jones wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 01:42:51PM EST, Dotan Cohen wrote: My C experience began and ended in a one-semester course. There is such a thing as fundamentals .. fluency in C is one major tool in your toolbox.. and one sure way to ensure that nobody messes with you on mailing lists. That sounds like an insult. Why? Probably too much caffeine. Upon reading it again, I don't see the alleged insult. To be exact, I meant How so? rather than Why?. Never had much love for or affinity with the C programming language but still, fluency therein everything related, compiler, libraries, debugging tools.. is the one skill you eventually can't do without. Considering the vagaries rampant on mailing lists etc.. the ability to read the code that matters and make your own decisions is one form of life insurance... Since the OP said he already went through the hassle of a one-semester C programming course.. I thought he should not let go to waste whatever he picked up then. CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
On 02/27/2009 07:23 PM, Chris Jones wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 07:56:39PM EST, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/27/2009 05:35 PM, Chris Jones wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 01:42:51PM EST, Dotan Cohen wrote: My C experience began and ended in a one-semester course. There is such a thing as fundamentals .. fluency in C is one major tool in your toolbox.. and one sure way to ensure that nobody messes with you on mailing lists. That sounds like an insult. Why? Probably too much caffeine. Upon reading it again, I don't see the alleged insult. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
My C experience began and ended in a one-semester course. There is such a thing as fundamentals .. fluency in C is one major tool in your toolbox.. and one sure way to ensure that nobody messes with you on mailing lists. That sounds like an insult. I do not see that as an insult at all. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:24:53 -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [...] Friendly, Sure, no problem! A piece of advice for you, don't let your ego get involved when posting, some call that wearing a flamesuit on the 'Net. What I did was give you my opinion of your actions, in the hope that the data might be of interest to you and to support the poster, Johannes, who did give useful information for the OP and who threaded it as I would have expected. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
Dean Chester wrote: Hi I have been recently looking at other distros to use other than Debian. And i have also been given a new laptop for use in school which i am soon going to be running Linux on. However i don't know what to go for. The 3 options to choose from are Debian(of course), Ubuntu or Fedora. The Laptop is Novatech Branded Clevo M72R(i think). The Reason i ask this is that ubuntu and fedora feel like what OS should feel like to me and feel more 'connected' and not a bit of a missmash which is what debian feels like to me, I moved from OS X August 08. Also they are updated more frequently. Thanks in Advance Dean I have been running debian testing for about 3 years now. I don't have to worry about those disastrous release cycles that most distros put their users through... You should check out how to do a minimum install with the debian network installer. You will be left with a very lean, quick system that you know like the back of your hand. http://net153.net/ubuntu_vs_debian.html Sam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 03:20:04PM -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jimmy Johnson wrote: I imagine the arguments where similar when operating systems moved from 16 bit to 32 bit. ;) I have never heard of 16 bit userland and a 32 bit kernel, though. In the present case in a sense you can have the best of both worlds on one system. 8-) Has there ever been an official 16 bit linux kernel? Not official. An attempted port: http://elks.sourceforge.net/ But nobody uses it noawaday. See also http://mikeos.berlios.de/ . Loyal to the BSD tradition it already has a fork. I could be wrong but I think the closest would be Minix '87 running on 8086, Linus was not doing his thing until '91 or maybe later, he may have started on a 8086, not sure. Linux is not based on Minix. Linus got a shiny new 386 computer and wanted a decent OS on it. One that could use the 32 bit and memory protection capabilities of that CPU, something Minix never bothered. So he just wrote his own kernel. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
That's quite PC-centric. The VAX was 32 bit, for instance. IIRC in the 80-s and early 90-s one atvantage the GNU tools had was that they could start from a clean 32bit codebase compared to the legacy UNIX code. Alpha was available in the early 90-s. Other than the Mac, there were no other home OS's around at the time that are still available today. Unless you count the Casio fx series! http://www.copcoinc.com/uploads/cas-FX-300-3.jpg -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
I'm not a programmer, but: 2. long long are available to 32-bit compilers, How? 3. AMD64 uses the LP64 model, where int values are still 32 bit. What is the advantage to this? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
Why buy a 64 bit setup if your not going to use it ? Why buy a Toyota Corolla that can do 160 KPH if you are not going to drive that fast? The advantages of a modern, dual core processor go far beyond the fact that they support 64 bit code. I bought mine for a reason so I could use 64. Just for the larger number, without knowing exactly what that means or why? Sounds like a pissing contest to me. I do not believe there are no advantages to having it. There are advantages, and there are disadvantages. It is up to knowledgeable people to decide what is best in their situation. Also I agree with the previous statement the more I use it, and when and if I find bugs or problems I can submit these to the appropriate people and hopefully we can get them resolved and bring more people to 64 bit computing, my measly two cents. If you are filing bugs, then _please_ use 64 bit! I file bugs, but only at the application level (feature requests, stability, and usability issues). -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
On 02/27/2009 07:51 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: I'm not a programmer, but: 2. long long are available to 32-bit compilers, How? The compiler can do anything that the programmers can make it do. 3. AMD64 uses the LP64 model, where int values are still 32 bit. What is the advantage to this? 1. Smaller application binaries. 2. Easier to port 32-bit application s/w to a 64-bit system. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
The compiler can do anything that the programmers can make it do. I'm not entirely clear on this, but I think that the memory has less address space in 32 bit, no? So you have only long? I'm not a programmer, so you could just RTFM me with a link and I'll take it from there. 3. AMD64 uses the LP64 model, where int values are still 32 bit. What is the advantage to this? 1. Smaller application binaries. Duh! 2. Easier to port 32-bit application s/w to a 64-bit system. Makes sense, though of all the hurdles I don't think that address space allocation would be the make-or-break it hurdle. Again, I could just be misunderstanding the complexity involved in real-world applications. My C experience began and ended in a one-semester course. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
On 02/27/2009 12:42 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: The compiler can do anything that the programmers can make it do. I'm not entirely clear on this, but I think that the memory has less address space in 32 bit, no? So you have only long? I'm not a programmer, so you could just RTFM me with a link and I'll take it from there. Just as doubles are 64 bits, even on old 16 bit machines, long long is a 64-bit scalar even on 32-bit machines. It's just that using them takes more compiler effort and CPU cycles. 3. AMD64 uses the LP64 model, where int values are still 32 bit. What is the advantage to this? 1. Smaller application binaries. Duh! 2. Easier to port 32-bit application s/w to a 64-bit system. Makes sense, though of all the hurdles I don't think that address space allocation would be the make-or-break it hurdle. Again, I could just be misunderstanding the complexity involved in real-world applications. Yup. But I can't bee harsh, because there are a lot of things I don't understand... My C experience began and ended in a one-semester course. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 01:42:51PM EST, Dotan Cohen wrote: My C experience began and ended in a one-semester course. There is such a thing as fundamentals .. fluency in C is one major tool in your toolbox.. and one sure way to ensure that nobody messes with you on mailing lists. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
On 02/27/2009 05:35 PM, Chris Jones wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 01:42:51PM EST, Dotan Cohen wrote: My C experience began and ended in a one-semester course. There is such a thing as fundamentals .. fluency in C is one major tool in your toolbox.. and one sure way to ensure that nobody messes with you on mailing lists. That sounds like an insult. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 07:56:39PM EST, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/27/2009 05:35 PM, Chris Jones wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 01:42:51PM EST, Dotan Cohen wrote: My C experience began and ended in a one-semester course. There is such a thing as fundamentals .. fluency in C is one major tool in your toolbox.. and one sure way to ensure that nobody messes with you on mailing lists. That sounds like an insult. Why? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 06:35:10PM -0500, Chris Jones wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 01:42:51PM EST, Dotan Cohen wrote: My C experience began and ended in a one-semester course. There is such a thing as fundamentals .. fluency in C is one major tool in your toolbox.. and one sure way to ensure that nobody messes with you on mailing lists. Depends on the mailing list. This is 'user', not 'devel' -- Dave signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jimmy Johnson wrote: I have three 64bit systems here and all running Mepis 8.0 64bit, things like flash and YouTube are preconfigured and will work straight out of the box. Here's a link to the Mepis 8.0 User's Manual: www.mepislovers.org/forums/user_manual8/ enjoy. May I remind you that this is a list for 'discussion among debian users'? I've never used mepis myself, but I can assure you that those will work fine and straight out of the box with debians 'debian-multimedia.org' and 'non-free' repositories. The main difference seems to be that debian gives you the comfort of '100% free software' _and_ the choice to install 'non-free' software as required. There are certainly distributions that appear more ready and easy to use for newbies, but IMHO and experience, debian's stability, upgrade ability, amount of software packaged and overall quality will pay off in the medium to long run. YMMV. Just my 2ct. Cheers, Johannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmmUpIACgkQC1NzPRl9qEWZIQCfb1sJZC5BgZpwbhB7r1oqpakr jQQAn3DjStxBINo/Hc6ZmaV9NnVsrMuk =XL8m -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote: [snip] OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D processor? On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit system. I see lots of advantages to running 64-bit equally on a laptop as on a desktop. Try wikipedia to find out. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
On 02/26/2009 03:04 AM, Aioanei Rares wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote: [snip] OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D processor? On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit system. I see lots of advantages to running 64-bit equally on a laptop as on a desktop. Try wikipedia to find out. Nah, you'll have to convince me. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Aioanei Rares wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote: [snip] OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D processor? On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit system. I see lots of advantages to running 64-bit equally on a laptop as on a desktop. Try wikipedia to find out. I think Ron suggested running a 64bit kernel on a 32bit userland system. What's the specific advantage of running an 'true' 64bit debian system? I don't notice any significant performance difference, but maybe you could point us to some comparison? Thanks, Johannes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Jimmy Johnson wrote: I have three 64bit systems here and all running Mepis 8.0 64bit, things like flash and YouTube are preconfigured and will work straight out of the box. Here's a link to the Mepis 8.0 User's Manual: www.mepislovers.org/forums/user_manual8/ enjoy. May I remind you that this is a list for 'discussion among debian users'? I'm a seven year Debian user and Debian tester, besides that Mepis is Debian Lenny based and uses the Lenny repos, maybe you didn't read the tread but Dean wanted to try something different and I recommended a distro that I have been testing for over six years and if there was something wrong with Mepis 8.0 I would not recommend it and maybe someday Dean will want to use Debian like I do, but until then I recommend the next best thing, not everybody can pickup Debian and configure it for everyday use without learning something first and what is a better way to learn Debian than to use a Debian distro that is already configured. Why do you flame me, maybe you think it's better to recommend Sidux or Ubuntu? G YMMV. Just my 2ct. You don't want to know how much I think your 2ct is worth and you don't want to know the words I have removed from this post before I press the send button. ;) Peace out, -- Jimmy Johnson Bakersfield, CA. U.S.A. Registered Linux User #380263 K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote: [snip] OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D processor? On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit system. Ron on a 64bit computer do you think it's better to run a 32bit OS? -- Jimmy Johnson Bakersfield, CA. U.S.A. Registered Linux User #380263 K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Jimmy Johnson wrote: Why do you flame me, maybe you think it's better to recommend Sidux or Ubuntu? G I didn't intend to flame you, I am sorry if I sounded like that. If you don't want a flame, please stop yours as well. I just gave my opinion, you gave yours. I don't understand why you take to personal attacks. Thanks, Johannes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jimmy Johnson wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote: [snip] OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D processor? On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit system. Ron on a 64bit computer do you think it's better to run a 32bit OS? At least for a newbie it is simpler. All applications will be 32bit. On 64bit, it might be necessary to have some (proprieatry?) 32bit applications besides the 64bit system which adds complexity. On the other hand, IMHO there is no or not a large performance benefit of 64bit for normal desktop usage. In the past I had better luck with java [script] ridden web pages and video content on my 32bit system and there was the odd DRM-pdf that I could not open on [true] 64bit, because the required plugin was not available. YMMV, Johannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmmgQsACgkQC1NzPRl9qEWniwCeOn1OK+RhgqOK0ta0a9RIB5P9 l3YAn0Bo915jBo7HuDjjE4hTsA94S8BU =n2+f -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
I have been recently looking at other distros to use other than Debian. And i have also been given a new laptop for use in school which i am soon going to be running Linux on. However i don't know what to go for. The 3 options to choose from are Debian(of course), Ubuntu or Fedora. The Laptop is Novatech Branded Clevo M72R(i think). The Reason i ask this is that ubuntu and fedora feel like what OS should feel like to me and feel more 'connected' and not a bit of a missmash which is what debian feels like to me, I moved from OS X August 08. Also they are updated more frequently. While I really like Fedora, I find it too unstable for a daily driver. If you think that other people will see your machine and might want to switch to Linux, then go with Ubuntu. If you will just keep it to yourself, go with Debian. In the end, you can do the same things with all the distros. Ubuntu goes out of it's way to be noob-friendly, and you should be familiar with (ie, using) the same distro as the people that you introduce to Linux. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Johannes Wiedersich johan...@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jimmy Johnson wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote: [snip] OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D processor? On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit system. Ron on a 64bit computer do you think it's better to run a 32bit OS? At least for a newbie it is simpler. All applications will be 32bit. On 64bit, it might be necessary to have some (proprieatry?) 32bit applications besides the 64bit system which adds complexity. On the other hand, IMHO there is no or not a large performance benefit of 64bit for normal desktop usage. In the past I had better luck with java [script] ridden web pages and video content on my 32bit system and there was the odd DRM-pdf that I could not open on [true] 64bit, because the required plugin was not available. YMMV, Johannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmmgQsACgkQC1NzPRl9qEWniwCeOn1OK+RhgqOK0ta0a9RIB5P9 l3YAn0Bo915jBo7HuDjjE4hTsA94S8BU =n2+f -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org While I agree with the newbie part, I find that I want to get the most out of my hardware, so I use 64-bit. One's mileage may vary, of course.
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Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Jimmy Johnson wrote: Why do you flame me, maybe you think it's better to recommend Sidux or Ubuntu? G I didn't intend to flame you, I am sorry if I sounded like that. If you don't want a flame, please stop yours as well. I just gave my opinion, you gave yours. I don't understand why you take to personal attacks. This was the first paragraph in your post and was a personal attack. May I remind you that this is a list for 'discussion among debian users'? So you don't know that I'm a long time Debian user, you don't know that Mepis is Debian based, maybe you don't know much of anything, but you keep typing and giving your opinion and now you tell me not to take it personal. Maybe you should stop attacking people that post to this list. And whats with that YMMV? Seems to me it's nothing more than a way to cover your ignorance. You want to apologize, well then apologize, but don't you dare keep shoving this flame war back on me. And that's my humble opinion, friend. -- Jimmy Johnson Bakersfield, CA. U.S.A. Registered Linux User #380263 K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Aioanei Rares wrote: While I agree with the newbie part, I find that I want to get the most out of my hardware, so I use 64-bit. What applications or usage scenarios get more out of your hardware as with 32bit / 64bit kernel? How much better are those on amd64? Johannes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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What applications or usage scenarios get more out of your hardware as with 32bit / 64bit kernel? How much better are those on amd64? If you have over 3 GB of memory then you need 64 bit. Otherwise, it is mostly very specific scientific applications that need 64 bit: home users will see no benefit. In _most_ cases. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
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Aioanei Rares wrote: While I agree with the newbie part, I find that I want to get the most out of my hardware, so I use 64-bit. One's mileage may vary, of course. And you are correct, when I go to Synaptic and type in search 32 bit I can see what is installed and can completely remove the 32bit libraries and find that the nothing on my system requires 32bit libraries, except Adobe Acrobat Reader and the only reason I use it is for copy and paste, the flash and java that I use are now all 64bit and so are the rest of my applications. -- Jimmy Johnson Bakersfield, CA. U.S.A. Registered Linux User #380263 K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Dotan Cohen wrote: What applications or usage scenarios get more out of your hardware as with 32bit / 64bit kernel? How much better are those on amd64? If you have over 3 GB of memory then you need 64 bit. Otherwise, it is mostly very specific scientific applications that need 64 bit: home users will see no benefit. In _most_ cases. I imagine the arguments where similar when operating systems moved from 16 bit to 32 bit. ;) -- Jimmy Johnson Bakersfield, CA. U.S.A. Registered Linux User #380263 K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:42:33 -0800 Jimmy Johnson field.engin...@gmail.com wrote: ... Adobe Acrobat Reader and the only reason I use it is for copy and paste, Copying and pasting works for me from Evince. Is there something specific you can't do? Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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From: Jimmy Johnson [mailto:field.engin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [OT I think] Which Distro? Dotan Cohen wrote: What applications or usage scenarios get more out of your hardware as with 32bit / 64bit kernel? How much better are those on amd64? If you have over 3 GB of memory then you need 64 bit. Otherwise, it is mostly very specific scientific applications that need 64 bit: home users will see no benefit. In _most_ cases. I imagine the arguments where similar when operating systems moved from 16 bit to 32 bit. ;) Ditto. Also, I have a few servers that need to run 64bit. I have run into several issues where things worked perfectly in 32bit but not in 64bit (mainly hardware drivers). I personally would run 64bit on the laptop but mainly because I figure the more I run 64 bit, the more likely I am going to find these issues and can report them. The fewer issues, the more likely others are going to switch to 64bit. Have fun! ~Stack~ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jimmy Johnson wrote: I imagine the arguments where similar when operating systems moved from 16 bit to 32 bit. ;) I have never heard of 16 bit userland and a 32 bit kernel, though. In the present case in a sense you can have the best of both worlds on one system. 8-) Has there ever been an official 16 bit linux kernel? Cheers, Johannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmmqnkACgkQC1NzPRl9qEXcygCeJPlhscMinK8odm5qIcZK63Ag YrIAniG8dpm/JoXEqxOYF+Jb+wilNE5Q =FSVY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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I imagine the arguments where similar when operating systems moved from 16 bit to 32 bit. ;) Not really, because the 32 bit hardware was more widespread when Windows 95 came out. At the time, all software written since 1992 was 32 bit-compatible, in fact, I cannot think of any major applications that wouldn't run on 32 bit. Contrast that to the delay in getting 64 applications _years_ after 64 bit hardware has been available. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
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To be clear, the drawback of 64 bit is the unavailability of software. If all the software that you use supports 64 bit, then go for it. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
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Johannes writes: I have never heard of 16 bit userland and a 32 bit kernel, though. An 80286 running Unix could be described that way. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 05:35:50PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: I imagine the arguments where similar when operating systems moved from 16 bit to 32 bit. ;) Not really, because the 32 bit hardware was more widespread when Windows 95 came out. At the time, all software written since 1992 was 32 bit-compatible, in fact, I cannot think of any major applications that wouldn't run on 32 bit. Contrast that to the delay in getting 64 applications _years_ after 64 bit hardware has been available. That's quite PC-centric. The VAX was 32 bit, for instance. IIRC in the 80-s and early 90-s one atvantage the GNU tools had was that they could start from a clean 32bit codebase compared to the legacy UNIX code. Alpha was available in the early 90-s. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On 02/26/2009 06:32 AM, Aioanei Rares wrote: [snip] While I agree with the newbie part, I find that I want to get the most out of my hardware, so I use 64-bit. One's mileage may vary, of course. How much of your computer's time is spent waiting for you to type, or move the mouse? Thus, (specifically for the desktop) you argument is bogus. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On 02/26/2009 08:29 AM, Stackpole, Chris wrote: [snip] Also, I have a few servers that need to run 64bit. I have run into several issues where things worked perfectly in 32bit but not in 64bit (mainly hardware drivers). I personally would run 64bit on the laptop but mainly because I figure the more I run 64 bit, the more likely I am going to find these issues and can report them. The fewer issues, the more likely others are going to switch to 64bit. You are an experienced user, and that's a very valid thing for such a user to do. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On 02/26/2009 09:55 AM, John Hasler wrote: Johannes writes: I have never heard of 16 bit userland and a 32 bit kernel, though. An 80286 running Unix could be described that way. The 80286 was strictly 16-bit. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On 02/26/2009 04:47 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote: [snip] OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D processor? On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit system. Ron on a 64bit computer do you think it's better to run a 32bit OS? I run a 64/32 system on my desktop. But that's because I've got 8GB RAM (it's so darned cheap). -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On 02/26/2009 07:41 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: What applications or usage scenarios get more out of your hardware as with 32bit / 64bit kernel? How much better are those on amd64? If you have over 3 GB of memory then you need 64 bit. I really think that's myth. Otherwise, it is mostly very specific scientific applications that need 64 bit: home users will see no benefit. In _most_ cases. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Jimmy Johnson wrote: Why do you flame me, maybe you think it's better to recommend Sidux or Ubuntu? G Johannes Wiedersich wrote: I didn't intend to flame you, I am sorry if I sounded like that. If you don't want a flame, please stop yours as well. I just gave my opinion, you gave yours. I don't understand why you take to personal attacks. Jimmy Johnson wrote: This was the first paragraph in your post and was a personal attack. May I remind you that this is a list for 'discussion among debian users'? So you don't know that I'm a long time Debian user, you don't know that Mepis is Debian based, maybe you don't know much of anything, but you keep typing and giving your opinion and now you tell me not to take it personal. Maybe you should stop attacking people that post to this list. And whats with that YMMV? Seems to me it's nothing more than a way to cover your ignorance. You want to apologize, well then apologize, but don't you dare keep shoving this flame war back on me. And that's my humble opinion, friend. What he did was not a flame, the manner in which you responded certainly did look like a flame to me. Sure, in an OT thread he didn't need to mention that this was a Debian related list but it seemed harmless that he did mention that, not something to get ones ego in a twist about. It seemed to me he was mostly suggesting that Debian would do everything mentioned, if used as it was intended to be used, that it wasn't necessary to change to a different OS or derivative . That had the potential to be useful information for the OP and on topic for the question. In addition, your opinion doesn't look very humble, what you wrote seemed to be an arrogant attack. Now I think it possible you will flame me for pointing this out to you. Please don't. And, please notice the difference between asking, please don't and writing, don't you dare. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On 02/26/2009 07:49 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: What applications or usage scenarios get more out of your hardware as with 32bit / 64bit kernel? How much better are those on amd64? If you have over 3 GB of memory then you need 64 bit. Otherwise, it is mostly very specific scientific applications that need 64 bit: home users will see no benefit. In _most_ cases. I imagine the arguments where similar when operating systems moved from 16 bit to 32 bit. ;) Going from 64KB segments to 4GB segments was, practically, a much larger jump in functionality and memory access than the jump from 32 to 64. That's because: 1. PAE allows 32-bit systems to see much more than 4GB RAM, 2. long long are available to 32-bit compilers, 3. AMD64 uses the LP64 model, where int values are still 32 bit. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 02/26/2009 06:32 AM, Aioanei Rares wrote: [snip] While I agree with the newbie part, I find that I want to get the most out of my hardware, so I use 64-bit. One's mileage may vary, of course. How much of your computer's time is spent waiting for you to type, or move the mouse? Thus, (specifically for the desktop) you argument is bogus. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Did I ever mention the word desktop? I use my system, amongst others, for kernel compiling and testing, and low-level programming.
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On 02/26/2009 12:29 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 02/26/2009 06:32 AM, Aioanei Rares wrote: [snip] While I agree with the newbie part, I find that I want to get the most out of my hardware, so I use 64-bit. One's mileage may vary, of course. How much of your computer's time is spent waiting for you to type, or move the mouse? Thus, (specifically for the desktop) you argument is bogus. Did I ever mention the word desktop? So you ssh into a rack-mounted (or otherwise similarly remote) host? Otherwise, you're doing the work on a desktop machine. I use my system, amongst others, for kernel compiling and testing, Then you need to test it in both 32- and 64-bit modes. and low-level programming. Again, sshing into a rack-mounted host? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/2009 07:41 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: What applications or usage scenarios get more out of your hardware as with 32bit / 64bit kernel? How much better are those on amd64? If you have over 3 GB of memory then you need 64 bit. I really think that's myth. I'll confirm that. My laptop has 4G of RAM (though only 3.4G is addressable, but my understanding is that that's a BIOS limitation (thanks Dell) since both windows XP (which I dual boot) and Debian show the same value). I'm running 32 bit just fine (2+ years ago when I tried 64-bit on this hardware I couldn't get ubuntu64 nor debian64 to work completely correctly), though I often feel like I'm an inferior sort of geek (because I'm wasting those extra bits of processing power). ~c -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 03:43:05PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Jimmy Johnson wrote: I imagine the arguments where similar when operating systems moved from 16 bit to 32 bit. ;) I have never heard of 16 bit userland and a 32 bit kernel, though. In the present case in a sense you can have the best of both worlds on one system. 8-) OS/2 running dos/win programs in the compatibility box. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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If you have over 3 GB of memory then you need 64 bit. I really think that's myth. I'll confirm that. My laptop has 4G of RAM (though only 3.4G is addressable, but my understanding is that that's a BIOS limitation (thanks Dell) since both windows XP (which I dual boot) and Debian show the same value). Indeed, you can go further: % uname -a Linux pastel 2.6.26-1-686-bigmem #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 19:13:22 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux % free total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 41487883986948 161840 0 122123160248 -/+ buffers/cache: 8144883334300 Swap:0 0 0 % IIUC bigmem kernels can address upto 64GB of ram. This is an amd64 CPU, so I can also run a 64bit kernel, but then my 32bit wpa-supplicant and the rt73usb driver don't cooperate any more, so I'd have to upgrade my userland to 64bit as well, which seems like too much trouble. -- Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On 02/26/2009 12:55 PM, charlie derr wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/2009 07:41 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: What applications or usage scenarios get more out of your hardware as with 32bit / 64bit kernel? How much better are those on amd64? If you have over 3 GB of memory then you need 64 bit. I really think that's myth. I'll confirm that. My laptop has 4G of RAM (though only 3.4G is addressable, but my understanding is that that's a BIOS limitation (thanks Dell) since both windows XP (which I dual boot) and Debian show the same value). I'm running 32 bit just fine (2+ years ago when I tried 64-bit on this hardware I couldn't get ubuntu64 nor debian64 to work completely correctly), though I often feel like I'm an inferior sort of geek (because I'm wasting those extra bits of processing power). Try installing a 64 biy kernel and see if it works properly. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On 2009-02-26 22:06 +0100, Stefan Monnier wrote: This is an amd64 CPU, so I can also run a 64bit kernel, but then my 32bit wpa-supplicant and the rt73usb driver don't cooperate any more, so I'd have to upgrade my userland to 64bit as well, which seems like too much trouble. You can also upgrade the kernel to 2.6.27 or later, these problems are fixed there. I know that because I run this combination myself. :-) Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Celejar wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:42:33 -0800 Jimmy Johnson field.engin...@gmail.com wrote: ... Adobe Acrobat Reader and the only reason I use it is for copy and paste, Copying and pasting works for me from Evince. Is there something specific you can't do? Thanks, I will check that out. -- Jimmy Johnson Bakersfield, CA. U.S.A. Registered Linux User #380263 K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/2009 04:47 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote: [snip] OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D processor? On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit system. Ron on a 64bit computer do you think it's better to run a 32bit OS? I run a 64/32 system on my desktop. But that's because I've got 8GB RAM (it's so darned cheap). Thanks Ron, I run 32bit on 32bit computer and 64bit on 64bit computer, not much difference, but the people that do the testing say 64bit is a few seconds faster or so I read on the NET and I do try to keep up with technology. -- Jimmy Johnson Bakersfield, CA. U.S.A. Registered Linux User #380263 K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 14:57 -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/2009 04:47 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote: [snip] OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D processor? On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit system. Ron on a 64bit computer do you think it's better to run a 32bit OS? I run a 64/32 system on my desktop. But that's because I've got 8GB RAM (it's so darned cheap). Thanks Ron, I run 32bit on 32bit computer and 64bit on 64bit computer, not much difference, but the people that do the testing say 64bit is a few seconds faster or so I read on the NET and I do try to keep up with technology. -- Why buy a 64 bit setup if your not going to use it ? I bought mine for a reason so I could use 64. I do not believe there are no advantages to having it. Also I agree with the previous statement the more I use it, and when and if I find bugs or problems I can submit these to the appropriate people and hopefully we can get them resolved and bring more people to 64 bit computing, my measly two cents. -- LostSon http://lostsonsvault.org Debian Lenny amd64 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
On 02/26/2009 05:04 PM, lostson wrote: On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 14:57 -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/2009 04:47 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote: [snip] OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D processor? On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit system. Ron on a 64bit computer do you think it's better to run a 32bit OS? I run a 64/32 system on my desktop. But that's because I've got 8GB RAM (it's so darned cheap). Thanks Ron, I run 32bit on 32bit computer and 64bit on 64bit computer, not much difference, but the people that do the testing say 64bit is a few seconds faster or so I read on the NET and I do try to keep up with technology. -- Why buy a 64 bit setup if your not going to use it ? Because nowadays, it's getting hard (impossible?) to get a new 32-bit desktop processor. (Low-power chips not included.) I bought mine for a reason so I could use 64. And I bought a computer so I could use the software. I do not believe there are no advantages to having it. Also I agree with the previous statement the more I use it, and when and if I find bugs or problems I can submit these to the appropriate people and hopefully we can get them resolved and bring more people to 64 bit computing, my measly two cents. 64-bit computing isn't some Holy Destination. It's a means to an end. If I were 25yo, though, I'm sure I'd have seen 64 bits as intrinsically important. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 01:55:06PM EST, charlie derr wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/26/2009 07:41 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
What applications or usage scenarios get more out of your hardware as
with 32bit / 64bit kernel?
How much better are those on amd64?
If you have over 3 GB of memory then you need 64 bit.
I really think that's myth.
I'll confirm that. My laptop has 4G of RAM (though only 3.4G is
addressable, but my understanding is that that's a BIOS limitation
(thanks Dell) since both windows XP (which I dual boot) and Debian show
the same value).
Yeah, but think of the headaches you (and Dell) saved yoursel{f, ves}
looking for a motherboard that supports a maximum of 3.4G of RAM and
1.7G memory chips.
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Johannes Wiedersich wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jimmy Johnson wrote: I imagine the arguments where similar when operating systems moved from 16 bit to 32 bit. ;) I have never heard of 16 bit userland and a 32 bit kernel, though. In the present case in a sense you can have the best of both worlds on one system. 8-) Has there ever been an official 16 bit linux kernel? I could be wrong but I think the closest would be Minix '87 running on 8086, Linus was not doing his thing until '91 or maybe later, he may have started on a 8086, not sure. -- Jimmy Johnson Bakersfield, CA. U.S.A. Registered Linux User #380263 K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Thorny wrote: Jimmy Johnson wrote: Why do you flame me, maybe you think it's better to recommend Sidux or Ubuntu? G Johannes Wiedersich wrote: I didn't intend to flame you, I am sorry if I sounded like that. If you don't want a flame, please stop yours as well. I just gave my opinion, you gave yours. I don't understand why you take to personal attacks. Jimmy Johnson wrote: This was the first paragraph in your post and was a personal attack. May I remind you that this is a list for 'discussion among debian users'? So you don't know that I'm a long time Debian user, you don't know that Mepis is Debian based, maybe you don't know much of anything, but you keep typing and giving your opinion and now you tell me not to take it personal. Maybe you should stop attacking people that post to this list. And whats with that YMMV? Seems to me it's nothing more than a way to cover your ignorance. You want to apologize, well then apologize, but don't you dare keep shoving this flame war back on me. And that's my humble opinion, friend. What he did was not a flame, the manner in which you responded certainly did look like a flame to me. Sure, in an OT thread he didn't need to mention that this was a Debian related list but it seemed harmless that he did mention that, not something to get ones ego in a twist about. First think you for not snipping relevant post, second when someone says to me May I remind you that this is a list for discussion among debian users, I tell you what that means to me: This is my house and it's my way or the highway and you tell that I should take no offense because I have committed no offense, well that is plain wrong. It seemed to me he was mostly suggesting that Debian would do everything mentioned, if used as it was intended to be used, that it wasn't necessary to change to a different OS or derivative . That had the potential to be useful information for the OP and on topic for the question. Yet Johannes post this to me and not the OP, how do you suggest that helps the OP? It did not help me, I did not ask. In addition, your opinion doesn't look very humble, what you wrote seemed to be an arrogant attack. Now I think it possible you will flame me for pointing this out to you. Please don't. And, please notice the difference between asking, please don't and writing, don't you dare. And now you attack me and call me arrogant, I'll tell you what I want and that is to be left along to make in my opinion a friendly and helpful post as I did before Johannes started this flame war and I speak for all that may have a different opinion than yours and yes, I know the difference between asking, please don't and writing, don't you dare, the law says don't you dare and the criminal says please don't arrest me after they have committed their crime. Where do you come from that a person needs to say please to have the right to express their opinion? Is this a friendly list or is it not? Now I think it's possible you will flame me for pointing this out to you. Please don't. :-D Just a note, this has been taken off list between Johannes and I, if left along I have hopes we will solve our differences. I love Debian and Johannes loves Debian and that can be the start of a very good friendship, don't you think. So let's leave it along. OK. Friendly, -- Jimmy Johnson Bakersfield, CA. U.S.A. Registered Linux User #380263 K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 03:20:04PM -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Has there ever been an official 16 bit linux kernel? I could be wrong but I think the closest would be Minix '87 running on 8086, Linus was not doing his thing until '91 or maybe later, he may have started on a 8086, not sure. Many years ago someone on this list claimed to be running Debian on an 80386SX, which was, I think, 16-bit (as opposed to the 80386DX). Hamm or Slink, I believe. David -- Running Debian/GNU Linux and loving every minute of it. -L. von Sacher-M. (1835-1895) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On 02/26/2009 05:35 PM, David Jardine wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 03:20:04PM -0800, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Has there ever been an official 16 bit linux kernel? I could be wrong but I think the closest would be Minix '87 running on 8086, Linus was not doing his thing until '91 or maybe later, he may have started on a 8086, not sure. No, Linux was began as an effort to learn 80386 assembly internals. Many years ago someone on this list claimed to be running Debian on an 80386SX, which was, I think, 16-bit (as opposed to the 80386DX). Hamm or Slink, I believe. The 80386SX was absolutely a 32-bit CPU. Like the MC68000 from 10 years earlier, it had a 16-bit external data bus, allowing for the use of less expensive parts. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Original Message From: field.engin...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: [OT I think] Which Distro? Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:20:04 -0800 Johannes Wiedersich wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jimmy Johnson wrote: I imagine the arguments where similar when operating systems moved from 16 bit to 32 bit. ;) I have never heard of 16 bit userland and a 32 bit kernel, though. In the present case in a sense you can have the best of both worlds on one system. 8-) Has there ever been an official 16 bit linux kernel? I could be wrong but I think the closest would be Minix '87 running on 8086, Linus was not doing his thing until '91 or maybe later, he may have started on a 8086, not sure. -- Jimmy Johnson Bakersfield, CA. U.S.A. Registered Linux User #380263 K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid) According to my archives, Tannenbaum did Minix first in 1987 for an 8086 256K PC system; Linus' famous email asking for inputs on his hobby O/S said it was for 386 AT systems; this in 1991. Larry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.d ebian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Hi, David Jardine wrote: Many years ago someone on this list claimed to be running Debian on an 80386SX, which was, I think, 16-bit (as opposed to the 80386DX). Hamm or Slink, I believe. The SX was without math co-processor, the DX with. Both were 386 processors at 32bit. Kind Regards AndrewM Andrew McGlashan Broadband Solutions now including VoIP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On 02/26/2009 09:38 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: Hi, David Jardine wrote: Many years ago someone on this list claimed to be running Debian on an 80386SX, which was, I think, 16-bit (as opposed to the 80386DX). Hamm or Slink, I believe. The SX was without math co-processor, the DX with. Both were 386 processors at 32bit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80386#The_i386SX_variant In 1988, Intel introduced the i386SX, a low cost version with a 16-bit data bus (although the CPU remained fully 32-bit internally) intended to simplify circuit board layout and reduce total cost [snip] The original i386 was subsequently renamed i386DX to avoid confusion, though this would rather cause confusion later when the DX in the name i486DX instead indicated floating- point capability. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Celejar wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:42:33 -0800 Jimmy Johnson field.engin...@gmail.com wrote: ... Adobe Acrobat Reader and the only reason I use it is for copy and paste, Copying and pasting works for me from Evince. Is there something specific you can't do? Celejar Evince is now installed and working perfect for copy and paste and I got to use it today. Thanks again, -- Jimmy Johnson Bakersfield, CA. U.S.A. Registered Linux User #380263 K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Hi, Ron Johnson wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80386#The_i386SX_variant In 1988, Intel introduced the i386SX, a low cost version with a 16-bit data bus (although the CPU remained fully 32-bit internally) intended to simplify circuit board layout and reduce total cost [snip] The original i386 was subsequently renamed i386DX to avoid confusion, though this would rather cause confusion later when the DX in the name i486DX instead indicated floating- point capability. Okay, thanks for the clarification. In any case, it is also my understanding that DX chips become SX chips (perhaps only 486 ones) when the math co-processor failed to function properly, the co-pro was disabled. Otherwise the faulty chips would be junk, selling them as SX made them still worth something. Kind Regards AndrewM Andrew McGlashan Broadband Solutions now including VoIP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On 02/26/2009 10:27 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: Hi, Ron Johnson wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80386#The_i386SX_variant In 1988, Intel introduced the i386SX, a low cost version with a 16-bit data bus (although the CPU remained fully 32-bit internally) intended to simplify circuit board layout and reduce total cost [snip] The original i386 was subsequently renamed i386DX to avoid confusion, though this would rather cause confusion later when the DX in the name i486DX instead indicated floating- point capability. Okay, thanks for the clarification. In any case, it is also my understanding that DX chips become SX chips (perhaps only 486 ones) when the math co-processor failed to function properly, the co-pro was disabled. Otherwise the faulty chips would be junk, selling them as SX made them still worth something. That was the 486DX 486SX. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/486SX -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Hi I have been recently looking at other distros to use other than Debian. And i have also been given a new laptop for use in school which i am soon going to be running Linux on. However i don't know what to go for. The 3 options to choose from are Debian(of course), Ubuntu or Fedora. The Laptop is Novatech Branded Clevo M72R(i think). The Reason i ask this is that ubuntu and fedora feel like what OS should feel like to me and feel more 'connected' and not a bit of a missmash which is what debian feels like to me, I moved from OS X August 08. Also they are updated more frequently. Thanks in Advance Dean
Re: [OT I think] Which Distro?
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Dean Chester dean.g.ches...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi I have been recently looking at other distros to use other than Debian. And i have also been given a new laptop for use in school which i am soon going to be running Linux on. However i don't know what to go for. The 3 options to choose from are Debian(of course), Ubuntu or Fedora. The Laptop is Novatech Branded Clevo M72R(i think). The Reason i ask this is that ubuntu and fedora feel like what OS should feel like to me and feel more 'connected' and not a bit of a missmash which is what debian feels like to me, I moved from OS X August 08. Also they are updated more frequently. Thanks in Advance Don't think too much about it. If it's not Debian, grab Ubuntu :-) At least you will be still in the same family somehow. Fedora can hurt your brain. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 01:23:18AM +0800, Nelson Castillo wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Dean Chester dean.g.ches...@googlemail.com wrote: Fedora can hurt your brain. Try LFS. Makes your brain seriously sore, but you learn a lot... The key word is laptop. I'd try booting the thing with a live disc from each distro, and see which performs best - use Knoppix for Debian. Decide from there. Personally, I've found it much easier to deal with oddball machines (laptops) with Debian than with any othe distro *because* of the mishmash - it's more readily reconfigured. My two cents. -- Dave signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Wednesday 25 February 2009 17:44:06 Dave Patterson wrote: use Knoppix for Debian. Why? What's wrong with Debian Live? http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Dean Chester wrote: Hi I have been recently looking at other distros to use other than Debian. And i have also been given a new laptop for use in school which i am soon going to be running Linux on. However i don't know what to go for. The 3 options to choose from are Debian(of course), Ubuntu or Fedora. The Laptop is Novatech Branded Clevo M72R(i think). The Reason i ask this is that ubuntu and fedora feel like what OS should feel like to me and feel more 'connected' and not a bit of a missmash which is what debian feels like to me, I moved from OS X August 08. Also they are updated more frequently. Thanks in Advance Dean If you are smart you will give SimplyMEPIS 8.0 a try before you decide. ;) -- Jimmy Johnson Bakersfield, CA. U.S.A. Registered Linux User #380263 K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Ken Teague wrote: Jimmy Johnson wrote: If you are smart you will give SimplyMEPIS 8.0 a try before you decide. ;) Does that make him dumb, stupid or ignorant if he doesn't? It only means what it says. And please keep your reply to the list. Thank you, -- Jimmy Johnson Bakersfield, CA. U.S.A. Registered Linux User #380263 K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Jimmy Johnson field.engin...@gmail.comwrote: Ken Teague wrote: Jimmy Johnson wrote: If you are smart you will give SimplyMEPIS 8.0 a try before you decide. ;) Does that make him dumb, stupid or ignorant if he doesn't? It only means what it says. And please keep your reply to the list. Thank you, -- Jimmy Johnson Bakersfield, CA. U.S.A. Registered Linux User #380263 K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D processor? Dean
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Dean Chester wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Jimmy Johnson field.engin...@gmail.com mailto:field.engin...@gmail.com wrote: Ken Teague wrote: Jimmy Johnson wrote: If you are smart you will give SimplyMEPIS 8.0 a try before you decide. ;) OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D processor? Dean I have three 64bit systems here and all running Mepis 8.0 64bit, things like flash and YouTube are preconfigured and will work straight out of the box. Here's a link to the Mepis 8.0 User's Manual: www.mepislovers.org/forums/user_manual8/ enjoy. -- Jimmy Johnson Bakersfield, CA. U.S.A. Registered Linux User #380263 K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On 02/25/2009 01:58 PM, Dean Chester wrote: [snip] OK will try with some live CDs. Next question 32-bit or 64-bit has a C2D processor? On a laptop, I see no advantage to running a 64-bit system. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On 02/25/2009 10:56 AM, Dean Chester wrote: Hi I have been recently looking at other distros to use other than Debian. And i have also been given a new laptop for use in school which i am soon going to be running Linux on. However i don't know what to go for. The 3 options to choose from are Debian(of course), Ubuntu or Fedora. The Laptop is Novatech Branded Clevo M72R(i think). The Reason i ask this is that ubuntu and fedora feel like what OS should feel like to me and feel more 'connected' Connected and not a bit of a missmash which is what debian feels like to me, I moved from OS X August 08. Also they are updated more frequently. Then you'd probably love Ubuntu. (Which I despise because it's *too* gooey. The way I have Debian configured, there's enough GUI and proprietary stuff to watch video on ESPN.com, yet have the system still function as a server if I boot it without immediately logging in.) -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 05:52:32PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 25 February 2009 17:44:06 Dave Patterson wrote: use Knoppix for Debian. Why? What's wrong with Debian Live? http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ Lisi Oops, I forgot. I'm getting old :( Dave signature.asc Description: Digital signature
