Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 23:48 -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 09/11/11 Paul Johnson said: Why bother with non-free software when we're talking about a technology that's dying like BSD these days? 'cause people like it when their systems...work? Given it's stability, i wouldn't define what flash does on any platform as work. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: And it didn't for me when I installed Lenny. I have just installed it manually. I have not got task-desktop, so do not need its dependencies. lisi@Junior:~$ aptitude search task-desktop lisi@Junior:~$ Keep in mind that the desktop task isn't a package, it's a task (as in tasksel): cbell@circe:~$ tasksel --list-tasks i desktop Graphical desktop environment u web-serverWeb server i print-server Print server u dns-serverDNS server u file-server File server i mail-server Mail server u database-server SQL database i ssh-serverSSH server i laptopLaptop u manualmanual package selection cbell@circe:~$ The i indicates it's installed. -- Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caoevnysvwswvzvqzdbd3uqexaoyyoe4y3yczqa2m5oh6xr4...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Jo, 10 nov 11, 08:56:46, Walter Hurry wrote: Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default? Interesting question. Which distributions do that? Debian of course :) It didn't for me when I installed Squeeze. Maybe I did it differently. $ apt-cache rdepends browser-plugin-gnash browser-plugin-gnash Reverse Depends: task-desktop gnome swfdec-mozilla mozilla-plugin-gnash gnash-dbg task-desktop gnome swfdec-mozilla mozilla-plugin-gnash A default install should pull gnash via the task-desktop dependency. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Jo, 10 nov 11, 11:29:08, Bob Proulx wrote: Really this more than anything illustrates that nonfree programs and protocols are bad for us. It is important to prevent nonfree software from being required. This is what makes the need for HTML5 to be completely free so important. We can correct the mistakes that were exploited that has caused so much trouble for so many people. Big +1 :) Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On 12 November 2011 09:56, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 10 nov 11, 08:56:46, Walter Hurry wrote: Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default? Interesting question. Which distributions do that? Debian of course :) It didn't for me when I installed Squeeze. Maybe I did it differently. And it didn't for me when I installed Lenny. I have just installed it manually. I have not got task-desktop, so do not need its dependencies. lisi@Junior:~$ aptitude search task-desktop lisi@Junior:~$ Lisi $ apt-cache rdepends browser-plugin-gnash browser-plugin-gnash Reverse Depends: task-desktop gnome swfdec-mozilla mozilla-plugin-gnash gnash-dbg task-desktop gnome swfdec-mozilla mozilla-plugin-gnash A default install should pull gnash via the task-desktop dependency. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAP6GWwp8HN4i9Eta_h6z=pbx440ky0gidb98fcmyvdmwvkm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 10:51:06AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On 12 November 2011 09:56, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 10 nov 11, 08:56:46, Walter Hurry wrote: Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default? Interesting question. Which distributions do that? Debian of course :) It didn't for me when I installed Squeeze. Maybe I did it differently. And it didn't for me when I installed Lenny. I have just installed it manually. I have not got task-desktop, so do not need its dependencies. I think swf-dec, rather than gnash, was the default on Lenny. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2012140430.ga18...@aurora.owens.net
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On 12 November 2011 14:04, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 10:51:06AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On 12 November 2011 09:56, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 10 nov 11, 08:56:46, Walter Hurry wrote: Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default? Interesting question. Which distributions do that? Debian of course :) It didn't for me when I installed Squeeze. Maybe I did it differently. And it didn't for me when I installed Lenny. I have just installed it manually. I have not got task-desktop, so do not need its dependencies. I think swf-dec, rather than gnash, was the default on Lenny. No - I haven't got that either. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAP6GWwojjgQkNr6ew4F1zM=yoK_fZeqmWjaJkTBc=gcosbv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:04:30 -0500, Rob Owens wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 10:51:06AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On 12 November 2011 09:56, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 10 nov 11, 08:56:46, Walter Hurry wrote: Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default? Interesting question. Which distributions do that? Debian of course :) It didn't for me when I installed Squeeze. Maybe I did it differently. And it didn't for me when I installed Lenny. I have just installed it manually. I have not got task-desktop, so do not need its dependencies. I think swf-dec, rather than gnash, was the default on Lenny. That's correct. Lenny shipped swfdec-mozilla package: sm01@stt008:~$ cat /etc/*version 5.0.9 sm01@stt008:~$ dpkg -l | grep swfdec-mozilla ii swfdec-mozilla 0.6.0-5 Mozilla plugin for SWF files (Macromedia Fla Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.11.12.16.27...@gmail.com
[OT] Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:18:53 +, T o n g wrote: Well, not exactly now but at lease Adobe flash is dead for all mobile devices: Adobe confirms Flash Player is dead for mobile devices http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/09/adobe-confirms-flash-player-is-dead- for-mobile-devices/ Steve Jobs wins: Flash being phased out from mobile devices http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1083764--steve-jobs-wins-flash- being-phased-out-from-mobile-devices Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most. Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web tomorrow. Comments? No comments, just a big smile on my face :-D I hope the flash/air platform now starts to languish for the web, it was never its natural place. Flash can have indeed a niche on multimedia productions (stored onto DVD/CD/USB), smart appliances (tv platforms) and such but not Internet. Self-contained contents (like flash or java) can be fine for the web but they should be -at least- based on open standards and better if they are managed/controlled by W3C. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.11.11.16.08...@gmail.com
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 05:47:21PM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: Robert Holtzman wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: A .deb package for firefox? Where? The Debian Mozilla team makes Firefox deb packages available for Stable that tracks the current release. http://mozilla.debian.net/ Nothing about FF here or in any of the backport sites I looked at. Sure you didn't mean iceweasel? Perhaps you were not aware that Debian Iceweasel is for all practical purposes Firefox? I'm quite familiar with this. The problem is you specified FF and my crystal ball blew a transistor last week. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On 09/11/2011 19:18, T o n g wrote: Well, not exactly now but at lease Adobe flash is dead for all mobile devices: Adobe confirms Flash Player is dead for mobile devices http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/09/adobe-confirms-flash-player-is-dead- for-mobile-devices/ Steve Jobs wins: Flash being phased out from mobile devices http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1083764--steve-jobs-wins-flash- being-phased-out-from-mobile-devices Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most. Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web tomorrow. Comments? Well you've set a very inflammable topic there. My feeling is that Google and it's jump into the mobile thing has been a strong propellant to HTML5 and thus flash slowly dying. But at the same time youtube which is both one of google's big things and *the* flash site per excellence is still very 'betqaish' with html5, not to mention all the other video hosting sites. One of the problems I still see is the video codecs 'war'. We have this wonderful video tag, but nobody knows what exaclty to encode the video file in. Now if you have millions of videos to (re)encode that is not trivial question. I guess it'll need time to settle, like if you're putting a img tag you know the source is going to be .jpg, .png or legacy .gif and that 99% browsers will support it - today (by the way it looks like Internet Explora only supported full alpha in png at verions 7! [1]). Lorenzo. [1] http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/pngapbr.html#msie-win-unix -- ** NOTE **: This gmail address is my new email. I will still be reading my libero.it email, but please use this new one for any further email. Thanks you for understanding. ** NOTA **: Questo indirizzo gmail è la mia nuova email. Continuerò a leggere la posta libero.it ancora per un po' ma vi prego di usare questa nuova da ora in poi. Grazie per la comprensione. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ebb863f.3030...@gmail.com
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On 10/11/11 15:46, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 09/11/11 T o n g said: Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most. Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web tomorrow. I like watching youtube videos. Silverlight is a problem for me on Linux, so I find flash to be a good thing by comparison, unless I want to live with my head stuck in the ground. Mike Choices are nice :-) http://www.youtube.com/html5 (let youtube/google know *you* would prefer a choice). Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ebb86e5.1090...@gmail.com
Re: Adobe flash is dead [OT]
On 10/11/11 19:07, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: On 09/11/2011 19:18, T o n g wrote: Well, not exactly now but at lease Adobe flash is dead for all mobile devices: Adobe confirms Flash Player is dead for mobile devices http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/09/adobe-confirms-flash-player-is-dead- for-mobile-devices/ Steve Jobs wins: Flash being phased out from mobile devices http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1083764--steve-jobs-wins-flash- being-phased-out-from-mobile-devices Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most. Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web tomorrow. Comments? Well you've set a very inflammable topic there. My feeling is that Google and it's jump into the mobile thing has been a strong propellant to HTML5 and thus flash slowly dying. But at the same time youtube which is both one of google's big things and *the* flash site per excellence is still very 'betqaish' with html5, not to mention all the other video hosting sites. Fortunately HTML5 is still a draft - won't be a recommendation for some time. http://ishtml5readyyet.com/ ;-p One of the problems I still see is the video codecs 'war'. We have this wonderful video tag, but nobody knows what exaclty to encode the video file in. Now if you have millions of videos to (re)encode that is not trivial question. Good points. Did you know about VP8? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8 Seems MS doesn't like it, but maybe the thawing of their anti-OpenSource attitude (re: Cloud) might change that. I guess it'll need time to settle, like if you're putting a img tag you know the source is going to be .jpg, .png or legacy .gif and that 99% browsers will support it - today (by the way it looks like Internet Explora only supported full alpha in png at verions 7! [1]). Lorenzo. [1] http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/pngapbr.html#msie-win-unix Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ebb89cd.7020...@gmail.com
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Mi, 09 nov 11, 20:14:28, Walter Hurry wrote: On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:51:14 +, Andrew Wood wrote: Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default? Interesting question. Which distributions do that? Debian of course :) Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Adobe flash is dead [OT]
On 10/11/2011 09:22, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 10/11/11 19:07, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: On 09/11/2011 19:18, T o n g wrote: Well, not exactly now but at lease Adobe flash is dead for all mobile devices: Adobe confirms Flash Player is dead for mobile devices http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/09/adobe-confirms-flash-player-is-dead- for-mobile-devices/ Steve Jobs wins: Flash being phased out from mobile devices http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1083764--steve-jobs-wins-flash- being-phased-out-from-mobile-devices Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most. Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web tomorrow. Comments? Well you've set a very inflammable topic there. My feeling is that Google and it's jump into the mobile thing has been a strong propellant to HTML5 and thus flash slowly dying. But at the same time youtube which is both one of google's big things and *the* flash site per excellence is still very 'betqaish' with html5, not to mention all the other video hosting sites. Fortunately HTML5 is still a draft - won't be a recommendation for some time. http://ishtml5readyyet.com/ ;-p Well, actually what's quite optimistic, I knew the foreseen time was something like 2020.. :) One of the problems I still see is the video codecs 'war'. We have this wonderfulvideo tag, but nobody knows what exaclty to encode the video file in. Now if you have millions of videos to (re)encode that is not trivial question. Good points. Did you know about VP8? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8 Yes, but what I meant is for e.g. if you go to the youtube HTML5 test, you'll see different codecs supported on different browsers.[1] Lorenzo [1] http://www.youtube.com/html5 Seems MS doesn't like it, but maybe the thawing of their anti-OpenSource attitude (re: Cloud) might change that. I guess it'll need time to settle, like if you're putting aimg tag you know the source is going to be .jpg, .png or legacy .gif and that 99% browsers will support it - today (by the way it looks like Internet Explora only supported full alpha in png at verions 7! [1]). Lorenzo. [1] http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/pngapbr.html#msie-win-unix Cheers -- ** NOTE **: This gmail address is my new email. I will still be reading my libero.it email, but please use this new one for any further email. Thanks you for understanding. ** NOTA **: Questo indirizzo gmail è la mia nuova email. Continuerò a leggere la posta libero.it ancora per un po' ma vi prego di usare questa nuova da ora in poi. Grazie per la comprensione. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ebb8d4f.5000...@gmail.com
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:28:53 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 09 nov 11, 20:14:28, Walter Hurry wrote: On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:51:14 +, Andrew Wood wrote: Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default? Interesting question. Which distributions do that? Debian of course :) It didn't for me when I installed Squeeze. Maybe I did it differently. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j9g3ke$kcd$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:10:13 +1100 Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/11/11 15:46, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 09/11/11 T o n g said: Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most. Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web tomorrow. I like watching youtube videos. Silverlight is a problem for me on Linux, so I find flash to be a good thing by comparison, unless I want to live with my head stuck in the ground. Mike Choices are nice :-) http://www.youtube.com/html5 (let youtube/google know *you* would prefer a choice). And of course, there's always youtube-dl, cclive, etc. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010070255.28796892e321617ad6038...@gmail.com
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:02:55 -0500 Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:10:13 +1100 Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/11/11 15:46, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 09/11/11 T o n g said: Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most. Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web tomorrow. I like watching youtube videos. Silverlight is a problem for me on Linux, so I find flash to be a good thing by comparison, unless I want to live with my head stuck in the ground. Mike Choices are nice :-) http://www.youtube.com/html5 (let youtube/google know *you* would prefer a choice). And of course, there's always youtube-dl, cclive, etc. Celejar In ubuntu flash is working with google-chrome or firefox. What should I install in debian to support that ? Thaanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010174435.07143...@shiva.selfip.org
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On 10/11/11 Scott Ferguson said: Choices are nice :-) http://www.youtube.com/html5 (let youtube/google know *you* would prefer a choice). Nice link. I'm using Squeeze so I have FF 3.5. I could update outside of the .deb package though to something more recent. Remember when Firefox was going to be the lightweight browser? :) Mike signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On 10/11/11 Celejar said: And of course, there's always youtube-dl, cclive, etc. when they work... fetch config ...done. verify video link ...error: libquvi: server returned http/404 I get that for cclive on every url... and I don't see youtube-dl packaged for squeeze. Mike signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 00:07, Lorenzo Sutton lorenzofsut...@gmail.com wrote: youtube ... is still very 'betqaish' with html5 You must be using a different YouTube than me. I have had very little in the way of problems with HTML5 on YT, and nothing recently. Not all videos are available in HTML5 yet, but fallback has been seamless. One of the problems I still see is the video codecs 'war'. We have this wonderful video tag, but nobody knows what exaclty to encode the video file in. Now if you have millions of videos to (re)encode that is not trivial question. I guess it'll need time to settle, like if you're putting a img tag you know the source is going to be .jpg, .png or legacy .gif and that 99% browsers will support it - today (by the way it looks like Internet Explora only supported full alpha in png at verions 7! [1]). Well, for video it would help a lot if there was just one, but two covers all possibilities: WebM and h.264 are all that is needed. And if you are willing to make users install a codec plugin, WebM works across the desktop at least (not sure about mobile, but it should work). Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_Tarif9P+f+D1=iGXt2aqQ=_uyfcj36-jfolch5or...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 07:10:13PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: Choices are nice :-) http://www.youtube.com/html5 (let youtube/google know *you* would prefer a choice). Thanks for the link, didn't know about that. Cheers, Tom -- Mike: The Fourth Dimension is a shambles? Bernie: Nobody ever empties the ashtrays. People are SO inconsiderate. -- Gary Trudeau, Doonesbury signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 08:39:30AM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 10/11/11 Scott Ferguson said: Choices are nice :-) http://www.youtube.com/html5 (let youtube/google know *you* would prefer a choice). Nice link. I'm using Squeeze so I have FF 3.5. I could update outside of the .deb package though to something more recent. A .deb package for firefox? Where? -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Adobe flash is dead
Gilbert Sullivan wrote: Andrew Wood wrote: Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default? I understand the desire to have a free flash player but Gnash is a very poor implementation and I think it tarnishes Linux's image rather than enhances it. ... A newcomer to Linux would think this was the best the platform could offer, when in reality theyre far better off installing the 'real' Adobe player. OK it may be closed source but closed source isnt all evil and hats off to Adobe for actually making a Linux version which is pretty damn good if you give it a chance. Id be happy to see Gnash dead. I don't get it. There are lots of distros that do offer the proprietary stuff by default. There are choices on this platform. Users should make the ones that suit them best, and be satisfied with letting each distro proceed according to its stated philosophy. (There are distros that consider Debian too liberal with respect to licensing issues. They offer NO repository support for proprietary software at all.) If you want Gnash dead, you can just let it be dead on your system. The default Debian installation gives you the ability to use the contents of the non-free and contrib repositories by default. (I disallow both of them them from my sources.list file during the expert installation process.) Or you can go with something like Ubuntu or Mint where the Adobe player and reader and other stuff are officially supported in the distro. I happen to appreciate the efforts of those who develop Gnash and wouldn't want them (or the devs on the alternative free player technologies) to cease their efforts. GNU/Linux is about having choices, not about limiting all of the distros to be the same, and forcing all of them to do what people with one particular bent want to see in an OS. Debian isn't a dictatorship distribution. It does not have one person with a single vision directing it in a single direction. Debian is a community of a thousand developers who all contribute to the common goal. This means Debian is more like a small town that holds regular town meetings in the town hall. Everyone has a different opinion. Everyone has a voice for their opinion. Some people think it should be this way. Some people think it should be that way. Discussion is held. Eventually a consensus is reached. Most of the time a con-census is reached. Sometimes people simply have irreconcilable differences and can only agree to disagree. It is like real people in a real small town. It is real people. But in a virtual town hall. http://www.debian.org/intro/about Debian has many core values. But one of the most important values is that it is a _free_ operating system. Free in this case means freedom and not without cost. Because Debian values freedom so highly this means that Debian can't include some nonfree components in the system. Adobe's Flash player isn't distributable under a free(dom) license. This is deeply important to a core value of Debian. It is more important to Debian than other values such as interoperating with popular proprietary programs such as Adobe Flash. http://www.debian.org/social_contract What do you do in that case? Do you avoid GNU Flash gnash too simply because it isn't as good as the Adobe version? But then you miss out on being able to view this content. And for people that are in the targeted audience of users who want only a totally free(dom) operating system should they be negatively impacted by avoiding gnash. And what about users of other architectures? The 64-bit amd64 is very popular. Yet Adobe has a very poor history of supporting it. ARM is in quite a bit if use and I think will only increase in popularity. Adobe has a very poor history of supporting any architecture other than 32-bit x86. But Debian has been called the Universal Operating System. For users who wish the same system across multiple architectures it would be hard to find a better implementation than Debian. Those users are in the target audience of Debian and also would like the best flash player available and at this moment the best flash player available for them is GNU Flash gnash. I think Debian has made reasonable choices. GNU Flash gnash is available if you wish it. If not then you are able to install the Adobe Flash with very little effort. It is nonfree and cannot be part of Debian but a free installer is provided in the contrib section. Really this more than anything illustrates that nonfree programs and protocols are bad for us. It is important to prevent nonfree software from being required. This is what makes the need for HTML5 to be completely free so important. We can correct the mistakes that were exploited that has caused so much trouble for so many people. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Adobe flash is dead
Robert Holtzman wrote: Michael P. Soulier wrote: Nice link. I'm using Squeeze so I have FF 3.5. I could update outside of the .deb package though to something more recent. A .deb package for firefox? Where? The Debian Mozilla team makes Firefox deb packages available for Stable that tracks the current release. http://mozilla.debian.net/ Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:44:35 +0530 J. Bakshi baksh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:02:55 -0500 Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:10:13 +1100 Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/11/11 15:46, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 09/11/11 T o n g said: Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most. Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web tomorrow. I like watching youtube videos. Silverlight is a problem for me on Linux, so I find flash to be a good thing by comparison, unless I want to live with my head stuck in the ground. Mike Choices are nice :-) http://www.youtube.com/html5 (let youtube/google know *you* would prefer a choice). And of course, there's always youtube-dl, cclive, etc. Celejar In ubuntu flash is working with google-chrome or firefox. What should I install in debian to support that ? Not sure I understand the question, but if you mean what do you need to get Adobe Flash working with Iceweasel / Firefox, the answer is 'flashplugin-nonfree'. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010140346.c699deb4ad4bf128e4fb7...@gmail.com
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 08:45:49 -0500 Michael P. Soulier msoul...@digitaltorque.ca wrote: On 10/11/11 Celejar said: And of course, there's always youtube-dl, cclive, etc. when they work... fetch config ...done. verify video link ...error: libquvi: server returned http/404 Beats me - they usually work for me (I usually use youtube-dl), except for when YouTube changes the site, and then it can take a bit for them to be updated for the new layout. I get that for cclive on every url... and I don't see youtube-dl packaged for squeeze. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010140934.341efa23b9a43650233c8...@gmail.com
Re: Adobe flash is dead
Celejar wrote: Michael P. Soulier wrote: Celejar said: And of course, there's always youtube-dl, cclive, etc. when they work... fetch config ...done. verify video link ...error: libquvi: server returned http/404 Beats me - they usually work for me (I usually use youtube-dl), except for when YouTube changes the site, and then it can take a bit for them to be updated for the new layout. I get that for cclive on every url... and I don't see youtube-dl packaged for squeeze. Since youtube.com changes their format too often for stable releases it is really problematic for some tools like youtube-dl to be packaged in Stable. I think it would do much better if it were released in squeeze-updates (the new volatile). But it isn't. I wish it were. Because of this I always use the youtube-dl from Sid. It is a script. It only depends upon ffmpeg being installed. It runs just fine on Stable for me so far. YMMV. But I use the Sid script on all of my Squeeze machines. I update it as needed when youtube.com changes and breaks the downloader. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:26:50 -0700 Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: ... Because of this I always use the youtube-dl from Sid. It is a script. It only depends upon ffmpeg being installed. It runs just fine on And ffmpeg is not even a hard dependency, only a recommends (not sure what happens if ffmpeg isn't there, since I keep it on my system for other things, anyway). Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010151852.15ec093bf57f752bc1940...@gmail.com
Re: Adobe flash is dead
Michael P. Soulier wrote: and I don't see youtube-dl packaged for squeeze. The reason for this, as stated by the maintainer of youtube-dl himself, is given in this post: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/12/msg00433.html But the wheezy version appears to be working well in squeeze. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010212651.4d75572e.shiems...@kpnplanet.nl
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:31:29AM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: Robert Holtzman wrote: Michael P. Soulier wrote: Nice link. I'm using Squeeze so I have FF 3.5. I could update outside of the .deb package though to something more recent. A .deb package for firefox? Where? The Debian Mozilla team makes Firefox deb packages available for Stable that tracks the current release. http://mozilla.debian.net/ Nothing about FF here or in any of the backport sites I looked at. Sure you didn't mean iceweasel? -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Adobe flash is dead
Robert Holtzman wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: A .deb package for firefox? Where? The Debian Mozilla team makes Firefox deb packages available for Stable that tracks the current release. http://mozilla.debian.net/ Nothing about FF here or in any of the backport sites I looked at. Sure you didn't mean iceweasel? Perhaps you were not aware that Debian Iceweasel is for all practical purposes Firefox? Here are some references to backfill the entire very long story, years in the making, a cast of thousands, and that type of thing. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/10/msg00665.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Adobe flash is dead (now Firefox/Iceweasel/Mozilla)
On 11/11/11 11:47, Bob Proulx wrote: Robert Holtzman wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: A .deb package for firefox? Where? The Debian Mozilla team makes Firefox deb packages available for Stable that tracks the current release. http://mozilla.debian.net/ Nothing about FF here or in any of the backport sites I looked at. Sure you didn't mean iceweasel? Perhaps you were not aware that Debian Iceweasel is for all practical purposes Firefox? Here are some references to backfill the entire very long story, years in the making, a cast of thousands, and that type of thing. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/10/msg00665.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project Bob A cast of thousands? :-) Maybe *two*. The objector from Mozilla, and Mike Hommey the Debian Mozilla maintainer/superman. Many, many thanks to him. Iceweasel is superior to Firefox because:- ;we can modify it without breaching Mozilla copyrights ;we can run less than the latest version of Mozilla code without missing out on security updates ;because it's maintained by a superman :-D NOTE: last time I checked you could get a .deb package of Swiftfox - an optimised build of Firefox. Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ebc757c.3010...@gmail.com
Adobe flash is dead
Well, not exactly now but at lease Adobe flash is dead for all mobile devices: Adobe confirms Flash Player is dead for mobile devices http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/09/adobe-confirms-flash-player-is-dead- for-mobile-devices/ Steve Jobs wins: Flash being phased out from mobile devices http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1083764--steve-jobs-wins-flash- being-phased-out-from-mobile-devices Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most. Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web tomorrow. Comments? -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/ http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j9eg6d$ves$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Adobe flash is dead
T o n g wrote: Well, not exactly now but at lease Adobe flash is dead for all mobile devices: Adobe confirms Flash Player is dead for mobile devices http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/09/adobe-confirms-flash-player-is-dead- for-mobile-devices/ Steve Jobs wins: Flash being phased out from mobile devices http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1083764--steve-jobs-wins-flash- being-phased-out-from-mobile-devices Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most. Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web tomorrow. And what do you use for flashplayer? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j9el2s$7bu$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Adobe flash is dead
Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default? I understand the desire to have a free flash player but Gnash is a very poor implementation and I think it tarnishes Linux's image rather than enhances it. Its buggy, a lot of content it cant display, or displays improperly. You often end up with ads jammed over the main content of the page because Gnash has drawn them in totally the wrong place, it causes browsers to crash and last night I was puzzled as to why my CPU fan was going full throttle after upgrading wheezy. A quick look at the process list revealed Gnash had been re-installed and was thrashing all 4 CPU cores just displaying a web ad. A newcomer to Linux would think this was the best the platform could offer, when in reality theyre far better off installing the 'real' Adobe player. OK it may be closed source but closed source isnt all evil and hats off to Adobe for actually making a Linux version which is pretty damn good if you give it a chance. Id be happy to see Gnash dead. And what do you use for flashplayer? Hugo
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:51:14 +, Andrew Wood wrote: Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default? Interesting question. Which distributions do that? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j9emv4$4rm$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:51:14 +, Andrew Wood wrote: Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default? Interesting question. Which distributions do that? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j9emv3$4rn$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On 11/09/2011 02:51 PM, Andrew Wood wrote: Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default? I understand the desire to have a free flash player but Gnash is a very poor implementation and I think it tarnishes Linux's image rather than enhances it. Its buggy, a lot of content it cant display, or displays improperly. You often end up with ads jammed over the main content of the page because Gnash has drawn them in totally the wrong place, it causes browsers to crash and last night I was puzzled as to why my CPU fan was going full throttle after upgrading wheezy. A quick look at the process list revealed Gnash had been re-installed and was thrashing all 4 CPU cores just displaying a web ad. A newcomer to Linux would think this was the best the platform could offer, when in reality theyre far better off installing the 'real' Adobe player. OK it may be closed source but closed source isnt all evil and hats off to Adobe for actually making a Linux version which is pretty damn good if you give it a chance. Id be happy to see Gnash dead. I don't get it. There are lots of distros that do offer the proprietary stuff by default. There are choices on this platform. Users should make the ones that suit them best, and be satisfied with letting each distro proceed according to its stated philosophy. (There are distros that consider Debian too liberal with respect to licensing issues. They offer NO repository support for proprietary software at all.) If you want Gnash dead, you can just let it be dead on your system. The default Debian installation gives you the ability to use the contents of the non-free and contrib repositories by default. (I disallow both of them them from my sources.list file during the expert installation process.) Or you can go with something like Ubuntu or Mint where the Adobe player and reader and other stuff are officially supported in the distro. I happen to appreciate the efforts of those who develop Gnash and wouldn't want them (or the devs on the alternative free player technologies) to cease their efforts. GNU/Linux is about having choices, not about limiting all of the distros to be the same, and forcing all of them to do what people with one particular bent want to see in an OS. Anyway, I doubt that a lot of newbies wander into Debian or Fedora or Arch, etc. Newbies can get the Adobe stuff right up front in the distros they're probably most likely to choose. Oh, and if your system was maxing out four cores trying to display an ad, you might be concerned about the way your browser is configured. Maybe a little customization by way of plugins or alteration of browser settings is in order? There are some very nice capabilities these days that prevent that sort of nonsense from being a problem. I don't see ads anywhere I go on the Web -- unless I specifically allow them. Regards, Gilbert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ebafd6e.2080...@comcast.net
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On 11/09/2011 02:51 PM, Andrew Wood wrote: Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default? I understand the desire to have a free flash player but Gnash is a very poor implementation and I think it tarnishes Linux's image rather than enhances it. Its buggy, a lot of content it cant display, or displays improperly. You often end up with ads jammed over the main content of the page because Gnash has drawn them in totally the wrong place, it causes browsers to crash and last night I was puzzled as to why my CPU fan was going full throttle after upgrading wheezy. A quick look at the process list revealed Gnash had been re-installed and was thrashing all 4 CPU cores just displaying a web ad. A newcomer to Linux would think this was the best the platform could offer, when in reality theyre far better off installing the 'real' Adobe player. OK it may be closed source but closed source isnt all evil and hats off to Adobe for actually making a Linux version which is pretty damn good if you give it a chance. Id be happy to see Gnash dead. And what do you use for flashplayer? Hugo You're 100% right, but please bottom post in the future. thanx. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ebb0855.1020...@optonline.net
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 19:51 +, Andrew Wood wrote: Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default? I understand the desire to have a free flash player but Gnash is a very poor implementation and I think it tarnishes Linux's image rather than enhances it. Why bother with non-free software when we're talking about a technology that's dying like BSD these days? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 16:10:31 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Why bother with non-free software when we're talking about a technology that's dying like BSD these days? Because right now, realistically it's the only game in town if one wants to watch flash content. When HTML5 comes along and I am able to get rid of /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so I shall be only too delighted. Until then, one has to be pragmatic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j9f6p4$5eu$3...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Adobe flash is dead [OT]
On 10/11/11 11:10, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 19:51 +, Andrew Wood wrote: Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default? Because most GNU/Linux distributions try and provide a secure user experience. FFflash is the antidote for security. Gnash can be freely distributed. I understand the desire to have a free flash player but Gnash is a very poor implementation and I think it tarnishes Linux's image rather than enhances it. Two solutions Andrew - write a better reverse engineered/clean room Fffflash player, or, contribute better code to the Gnash project. Preferably you'd chose a third option - avoid anything that requires the use of Ffflash in the first place. It's not like it does much[*1] that can't be better done in a modern browser *without* having to install third-party software (and update it every other week). Why bother with non-free software when we're talking about a technology that's dying like BSD these days? BSD is dying? Really? Please explain Paul. [*1] some audio functionality. Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ebb1fa3.8030...@gmail.com
Re: Adobe flash is dead
Why bother with non-free software when we're talking about a technology that's dying like BSD these days? Because right now, realistically it's the only game in town if one wants to watch flash content. When HTML5 comes along and I am able to get rid of /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so I shall be only too delighted. Until then, one has to be pragmatic. There are many ways to be pragmatic. Nowadays, Gnash works well enough for me that my notion of pragmatic is simply say good bye to web-sites which are too poor to work with Gnash. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jwv4nyclp4p.fsf-monnier+gmane.linux.debian.u...@gnu.org
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 16:10:31 -0800 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 19:51 +, Andrew Wood wrote: Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default? I understand the desire to have a free flash player but Gnash is a very poor implementation and I think it tarnishes Linux's image rather than enhances it. Why bother with non-free software when we're talking about a technology that's dying like BSD these days? Ummm, can't wait till gnash is setting the pace, rather than being an implementation generation or two behind, which is all I see holding it up, but BSD is generating programmes that Debian would do well to look at: http://www.bsdcertification.org/ while the latest pre-release version of PC-BSD has an implementation very much like apt for up-dating, among other advanced features. http://www.pcbsd.org/ Definitely not drowning and conceivably even stealing a march. Regards, Weaver. -- In a world without walls and fences, what need have we for Windows or Gates? -Anon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010123713.5e623f54.wea...@riseup.net
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 16:10:31 -0800 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 19:51 +, Andrew Wood wrote: Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default? I understand the desire to have a free flash player but Gnash is a very poor implementation and I think it tarnishes Linux's image rather than enhances it. Why bother with non-free software when we're talking about a technology that's dying like BSD these days? Ummm, can't wait till gnash is setting the pace, rather than being an implementation generation or two behind, which is all I see holding it up, but BSD is generating programmes that Debian would do well to look at: http://www.bsdcertification.org/ while the latest pre-release version of PC-BSD has an implementation very much like apt for up-dating, among other advanced features. http://www.pcbsd.org/ Definitely not drowning and conceivably even stealing a march. Regards, Weaver. -- In a world without walls and fences, what need have we for Windows or Gates? -Anon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010123812.45c351e9.wea...@riseup.net
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On 10/11/11 13:38, Weaver wrote: On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 16:10:31 -0800 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 19:51 +, Andrew Wood wrote: Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by default? I understand the desire to have a free flash player but Gnash is a very poor implementation and I think it tarnishes Linux's image rather than enhances it. Why bother with non-free software when we're talking about a technology that's dying like BSD these days? Ummm, can't wait till gnash is setting the pace, rather than being an implementation generation or two behind, which is all I see holding it up, Which would be nice, but kind of impossible. Gnash is a Ffflash player - so all it can do is (try) and implement the latest Ffflash features. Originally SmartSketch there are now a number of free Ffflash creation tools - but Adobe, through it's branding pretty much controls the market. Sadly.` I suspect that won't change until employers find all the new graphic artists insist on using HTML5, or a free Flash alternative. And that's not likely until schools, uni's etc start basing the training around those. That and consumers avoiding Ffflash infested sites, forcing companies to change the site content. but BSD is generating programmes that Debian would do well to look at: http://www.bsdcertification.org/ 1. Debian certification programmes a la LPI would (I believe) be a very good thing. Though difficult to incorporate into the Debian community and Social contract. 2. You're obviously unaware of Debian-kFreeBSD:- http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ All the simplicity and stability of FreeBSD with the power of apt. Sadly few know of it - and many still parrot Matt Damon's jest about BSD dying (because he was resigning). Definitely worth a look (we use it extensively):- http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=debian_kfreebsd_h210num=1 snipped Regards, Weaver. Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ebb410c.3070...@gmail.com
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On 09/11/11 Paul Johnson said: Why bother with non-free software when we're talking about a technology that's dying like BSD these days? 'cause people like it when their systems...work? Mike signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Adobe flash is dead
On 09/11/11 T o n g said: Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most. Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web tomorrow. I like watching youtube videos. Silverlight is a problem for me on Linux, so I find flash to be a good thing by comparison, unless I want to live with my head stuck in the ground. Mike signature.asc Description: Digital signature
