Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:47:43 -0800, 
Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
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 Basically in X-vs.-Jew, anybody Jewish gets a pass from me for the 
 next couple of generations.  I was riding a train in Germany and I 
 couldn't help thinking how it would feel like bugs crawling up under
 my skin to think about how fucked in the head my parents and
 grandparents were.
 
 I'm from the south and whenever I meet a 70 year old racist little old
 granny I just want to take an icepick to her head.

..Auschwitz is no excuse to let Jews wipe out Muslims in Palestine.
Nor for keeping quiet on any American ancient story in Somalia.

..genocide has no 25 year time-out, except appearantly under 
Norwegian Law, it was the Norwegian Police that arrested Jews 
in Norway, and for some funny reason, none of these were ever 
tried for that war crime, only in some cases for treason and torture.
(http://home.online.no/~bbruland/ and any babelfish that groks 
Norwegian and German into your preferred lingo.)

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  Scenarios always come in sets of three: 
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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Tom]

On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 10:05:46PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
 ..in our case, whenever you start by reporting that PsysOp 
 storyteller you met on that plane to, was it Cali?

None of this is secret

http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/somalia/nov16/rang16.asp :

...18 Americans were dead and 73 were wounded...
...The Somalian toll was far worse. Reliable witnesses in the U.S. 
military and in Mogadishu now place the count at nearly 500 dead - scores more 
than was estimated at the time - among more than a thousand casualties. 
Many were women and children

It's wierd what trivialities people focus on and bitch and bitch 
endlessly when there is a wealth of nastiness that slips out in the news 
but doesn't hold your attention...

There were news stories out in 1991 estimating the # of Iraqi deaths 
(approx 150,000).  Last I heard Iraq 2 was about 35,000 w/ 5,000 
civilian deaths.  No wonder they're pissed off!  But hey, my great-great 
granddaddy got his ass kicked by the U.S.A. so whatcha gonna do.


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:58:14 +0100, 
Pigeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
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 On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
  On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:18:03 -0700, 
  Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
   On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 07:50:58PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:38:18AM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:07:05PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
  On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:28:29AM -0700, Tom wrote:
  
   Europe is America minus 10 years.
  
  And not just Europe.  And that's exactly what the bin
  Ladens, Jacques Chiracs etc of this world are fighting to
  prevent.
 
 I'm kind of afraid to ask but what does Bin Laden have to do
 with Jacques Chirac.
  
  ...or Bush.
  
They share an antipathy towards US domination and create US 
antipathy towards them by their different ways of expressing it.
  
  ..expressing it???  How about a wee lecture in _that_ art?
  
  ..sofistication and Qui bono?:
 
 pedant
 s/Q/C/
 /pedant
 (sorry, the language thread's got me into Latin mode :-) )

..really?  ;-)
 
  _Who_ did _not_ bomb|sabotage|etc
  Hitlers railroads to Auschwitz?  _Who_ dropped the surviving Jews
  off_right_ in between _who's_ colonies in the Middle East?
 
 ...mind you, dem Jews should have taken more notice of their own book.
 Isaiah, beginnings of chapters 30 and 31 spring to mind. And lots of
 other bits.

..sure, but try make military sense out of it; Air dropping arms in to
the Jews, would have tied up several hundred thousand Nazis, and largely
for free, the Jews _had_ no choise other than combat. and Zyklon B.

  _Who_ got 
  a _wee_ hint in 1956 over a certain Suez Canal, by _which_ other 3 
  veto powers in the UN Security Council?  _Who_ dropped _who's_ 
  Indo-China colony wars into Forrest Gump's lap in the early 60'ies? 
  
  In that 13 year old laptop colony war, _which_ Sissy Boy ANG 
  lieutenant went AWOL for a full year ?  _Where_ did he go, and, 
  qu'a-t-il fait là?
  
  ..Europe is America minus 10 years..  Riiight.  
  
   God, this planet needs another LSD revolution; we need another
   Beatles.
 
 YES... hmmm... Foursome dating from 60s with Beatles inspirations and
 none of them having one foot in the grave, needed to spearhead the day
 of revolution. John - Les - Woolly - Mel - get back together, the
 world needs you, debian-user has decided it!
 
   Life could be so much more interesting than this.
  
  ..as in worthwhile, I agree, as in exiting, I respectfully disagree,
  I could use _less_ exitement, like in peace.  
 
 ...live in interesting times :-)

..precisely, _too_ damned interesting for my taste.

  ..now we have GI's committing suicide just like in Vietnam.  Dope
  was abused there too, and it won't help you this time either.
 
 ...handing out speed and downers like smarties isn't a very good idea
 either...
 
  Draft Dodger
  Bill Clinton at the very least had enough spine to salute some of
  the coffins he caused.
  
  ..put your traitors and your war criminals where they belong, on
  trial. They really belong on death row, but do it _right_.  I mean,
  you kicked Nixon out of Office on some silly burglary.  After Iraq
  and Palestine etc is freed, and your traitors and war criminals has
  been hanged, there may be a new _viable_ chance for peace.  
 
 hmmm... s/hanged/imprisoned/ I think getting rid of the death penalty
 would be an excellent thing for America to do.

..I respectfully disagree;  consider the thrustworthyness of Microsoft
Linux code now, and then _after_ a death sentence on Gates and Ballmer
et al, say for having obstructed War on Terrorism by funding SCO to
divert Linux manpower away from 64 bit development and into litigation, 
or for messing with a certain ballot machine operating system to elect 
a Certain Sissy, President.

..we judge Microsoft et al on _their_ prior art, and we get judged on 
our own prior art, and, by the Muslims too.

..sure they respect us, _as_ nuclear armed genociders.  

  ..you will have to earn it.  And, you _can_.  It only takes a spine.
  Once you show it, the Muslims may want to do likewise with their 
  war criminals.  
  Facing Our Nuclear Etc Alliance, they _are_ showing their spines.
  And, they _are_ about as right as the Jews in WWII.
 
 ...facing cultural rather than physical extermination... I'm inclined
 towards agreement.

..cultural extermination does _not_ cure the Green Fear of
population explosion etc on this planet.  Physical _can_.

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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Tom]

Basically in X-vs.-Jew, anybody Jewish gets a pass from me for the 
next couple of generations.  I was riding a train in Germany and I 
couldn't help thinking how it would feel like bugs crawling up under my 
skin to think about how fucked in the head my parents and grandparents 
were.

I'm from the south and whenever I meet a 70 year old racist little old 
granny I just want to take an icepick to her head.

On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 04:41:05PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
 On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:58:14 +0100, 
 Pigeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
   On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:18:03 -0700, 
   Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 07:50:58PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:38:18AM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
  On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:07:05PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
   On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:28:29AM -0700, Tom wrote:
   
Europe is America minus 10 years.
   
   And not just Europe.  And that's exactly what the bin
   Ladens, Jacques Chiracs etc of this world are fighting to
   prevent.
  
  I'm kind of afraid to ask but what does Bin Laden have to do
  with Jacques Chirac.
   
   ...or Bush.
   
 They share an antipathy towards US domination and create US 
 antipathy towards them by their different ways of expressing it.
   
   ..expressing it???  How about a wee lecture in _that_ art?
   
   ..sofistication and Qui bono?:
  
  pedant
  s/Q/C/
  /pedant
  (sorry, the language thread's got me into Latin mode :-) )
 
 ..really?  ;-)
  
   _Who_ did _not_ bomb|sabotage|etc
   Hitlers railroads to Auschwitz?  _Who_ dropped the surviving Jews
   off_right_ in between _who's_ colonies in the Middle East?
  
  ...mind you, dem Jews should have taken more notice of their own book.
  Isaiah, beginnings of chapters 30 and 31 spring to mind. And lots of
  other bits.
 
 ..sure, but try make military sense out of it; Air dropping arms in to
 the Jews, would have tied up several hundred thousand Nazis, and largely
 for free, the Jews _had_ no choise other than combat. and Zyklon B.
 
   _Who_ got 
   a _wee_ hint in 1956 over a certain Suez Canal, by _which_ other 3 
   veto powers in the UN Security Council?  _Who_ dropped _who's_ 
   Indo-China colony wars into Forrest Gump's lap in the early 60'ies? 
   
   In that 13 year old laptop colony war, _which_ Sissy Boy ANG 
   lieutenant went AWOL for a full year ?  _Where_ did he go, and, 
   qu'a-t-il fait là?
   
   ..Europe is America minus 10 years..  Riiight.  
   
God, this planet needs another LSD revolution; we need another
Beatles.
  
  YES... hmmm... Foursome dating from 60s with Beatles inspirations and
  none of them having one foot in the grave, needed to spearhead the day
  of revolution. John - Les - Woolly - Mel - get back together, the
  world needs you, debian-user has decided it!
  
Life could be so much more interesting than this.
   
   ..as in worthwhile, I agree, as in exiting, I respectfully disagree,
   I could use _less_ exitement, like in peace.  
  
  ...live in interesting times :-)
 
 ..precisely, _too_ damned interesting for my taste.
 
   ..now we have GI's committing suicide just like in Vietnam.  Dope
   was abused there too, and it won't help you this time either.
  
  ...handing out speed and downers like smarties isn't a very good idea
  either...
  
   Draft Dodger
   Bill Clinton at the very least had enough spine to salute some of
   the coffins he caused.
   
   ..put your traitors and your war criminals where they belong, on
   trial. They really belong on death row, but do it _right_.  I mean,
   you kicked Nixon out of Office on some silly burglary.  After Iraq
   and Palestine etc is freed, and your traitors and war criminals has
   been hanged, there may be a new _viable_ chance for peace.  
  
  hmmm... s/hanged/imprisoned/ I think getting rid of the death penalty
  would be an excellent thing for America to do.
 
 ..I respectfully disagree;  consider the thrustworthyness of Microsoft
 Linux code now, and then _after_ a death sentence on Gates and Ballmer
 et al, say for having obstructed War on Terrorism by funding SCO to
 divert Linux manpower away from 64 bit development and into litigation, 
 or for messing with a certain ballot machine operating system to elect 
 a Certain Sissy, President.
 
 ..we judge Microsoft et al on _their_ prior art, and we get judged on 
 our own prior art, and, by the Muslims too.
 
 ..sure they respect us, _as_ nuclear armed genociders.  
 
   ..you will have to earn it.  And, you _can_.  It only takes a spine.
   Once you show it, the Muslims may want to do likewise with their 
   war criminals.  
   Facing Our Nuclear Etc Alliance, they _are_ showing their spines.
   And, they _are_ about as right as the Jews in WWII.
  
  ...facing 

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Tom]

On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 06:52:23PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
 On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:47:43 -0800, 
 Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Basically in X-vs.-Jew, anybody Jewish gets a pass from me for the 
  next couple of generations.  I was riding a train in Germany and I 
  couldn't help thinking how it would feel like bugs crawling up under
  my skin to think about how fucked in the head my parents and
  grandparents were.
  
  I'm from the south and whenever I meet a 70 year old racist little old
  granny I just want to take an icepick to her head.
 
 ..Auschwitz is no excuse to let Jews wipe out Muslims in Palestine.
 Nor for keeping quiet on any American ancient story in Somalia.

It's awfully conscience-clearing to be able to associate your former 
victims with genocide isn't it?  Why, look at them, they're just as 
bad!  It's called wish-fullfillment.


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Pigeon]

On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 04:41:05PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
 On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:58:14 +0100, 
 Pigeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
   On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:18:03 -0700, 
   Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 07:50:58PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:38:18AM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
  On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:07:05PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
   On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:28:29AM -0700, Tom wrote:
   
Europe is America minus 10 years.
   
   And not just Europe.  And that's exactly what the bin
   Ladens, Jacques Chiracs etc of this world are fighting to
   prevent.
  
  I'm kind of afraid to ask but what does Bin Laden have to do
  with Jacques Chirac.
   
   ...or Bush.
   
 They share an antipathy towards US domination and create US 
 antipathy towards them by their different ways of expressing it.
   
   ..expressing it???  How about a wee lecture in _that_ art?
   
   ..sofistication and Qui bono?:
  
  pedant
  s/Q/C/
  /pedant
  (sorry, the language thread's got me into Latin mode :-) )
 
 ..really?  ;-)

At school I raised the usual objections what's the point of learning
a dead language etc. Now I know the answer... it's useful for the
purposes of obscure pedantry in off-topic threads on debian-user.
Considering Linux didn't exist at the time, I must congratulate my
teachers on their foresight. :-)

   _Who_ did _not_ bomb|sabotage|etc
   Hitlers railroads to Auschwitz?  _Who_ dropped the surviving Jews
   off_right_ in between _who's_ colonies in the Middle East?
  
  ...mind you, dem Jews should have taken more notice of their own book.
  Isaiah, beginnings of chapters 30 and 31 spring to mind. And lots of
  other bits.
 
 ..sure, but try make military sense out of it; Air dropping arms in to
 the Jews, would have tied up several hundred thousand Nazis, and largely
 for free, the Jews _had_ no choise other than combat. and Zyklon B.

...huh? The only places where there were enough Jews in one place to
make this worthwhile would have been the concentration camps
themselves, and the guards would have mowed them down as they went to
pick the parcels up... there were cases of this happening to
non-Jewish POWs receiving Red Cross food parcels even. The only
realistic option for the Jews was flight or concealment.

I think we've crossed wires a bit here; I was talking about the modern
State of Israel having been established after WW2 by the military
strength of the victors, mainly the USA, and maintained similarly. The
Isaiah passages basically say don't rely on military alliances for
protection, as your allies and you will both go down the tubes.

   _Who_ got 
   a _wee_ hint in 1956 over a certain Suez Canal, by _which_ other 3 
   veto powers in the UN Security Council?  _Who_ dropped _who's_ 
   Indo-China colony wars into Forrest Gump's lap in the early 60'ies? 
   
   In that 13 year old laptop colony war, _which_ Sissy Boy ANG 
   lieutenant went AWOL for a full year ?  _Where_ did he go, and, 
   qu'a-t-il fait l??
   
   ..Europe is America minus 10 years..  Riiight.  
   
God, this planet needs another LSD revolution; we need another
Beatles.
  
  YES... hmmm... Foursome dating from 60s with Beatles inspirations and
  none of them having one foot in the grave, needed to spearhead the day
  of revolution. John - Les - Woolly - Mel - get back together, the
  world needs you, debian-user has decided it!
  
Life could be so much more interesting than this.
   
   ..as in worthwhile, I agree, as in exiting, I respectfully disagree,
   I could use _less_ exitement, like in peace.  
  
  ...live in interesting times :-)
 
 ..precisely, _too_ damned interesting for my taste.
 
   ..now we have GI's committing suicide just like in Vietnam.  Dope
   was abused there too, and it won't help you this time either.
  
  ...handing out speed and downers like smarties isn't a very good idea
  either...
  
   Draft Dodger
   Bill Clinton at the very least had enough spine to salute some of
   the coffins he caused.
   
   ..put your traitors and your war criminals where they belong, on
   trial. They really belong on death row, but do it _right_.  I mean,
   you kicked Nixon out of Office on some silly burglary.  After Iraq
   and Palestine etc is freed, and your traitors and war criminals has
   been hanged, there may be a new _viable_ chance for peace.  
  
  hmmm... s/hanged/imprisoned/ I think getting rid of the death penalty
  would be an excellent thing for America to do.
 
 ..I respectfully disagree;  consider the thrustworthyness of Microsoft
 Linux code now, and then _after_ a death sentence on Gates and Ballmer
 et al, say for having obstructed War on Terrorism by funding SCO to
 divert Linux manpower away from 64 bit development 

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Hoyt Bailey]

- Original Message - 
From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 16:09
Subject: Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)


 On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
  ... After Iraq and Palestine
  etc is freed, and your traitors and war criminals has been hanged, 
  there may be a new _viable_ chance for peace.  
 
 Without going into left field, and without saying anything negative,
 what's your vision of a harmonious world?  Use only positive statements.
 
Impossiable conditions.


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Tom]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 05:20:22AM -0500, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 16:09
 Subject: Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)
 
 
  On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
   ... After Iraq and Palestine
   etc is freed, and your traitors and war criminals has been hanged, 
   there may be a new _viable_ chance for peace.  
  
  Without going into left field, and without saying anything negative,
  what's your vision of a harmonious world?  Use only positive statements.
  
 Impossiable conditions.

Ask a 70 year old (any country) if he feels that way.


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:41:23 -0400 (EDT), 
Thomas Pomber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
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 The return of Christ.

..you wanna profit from this, _earn_ it.  Now, like it or not, the odds 
_are_ Someone might advice you but you can call me Toby, 
when you try to cash in.  ;-)
http://www.rowanatkinson.org/devil_sketch.htm


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Tom]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 10:04:20PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
 On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:41:23 -0400 (EDT), 
 Thomas Pomber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  The return of Christ.
 
 ..you wanna profit from this, _earn_ it.  Now, like it or not, the odds 
 _are_ Someone might advice you but you can call me Toby, 
 when you try to cash in.  ;-)
 http://www.rowanatkinson.org/devil_sketch.htm
 

Shit, man, everybody knows his name is Wally.  He's a nice guy too, if 
wasn't for all these assholes that keep showin' up.  He's a friend of 
mine.

(Tried to find you a Beautiful Stories for Ugly Children link, but I 
guess that never made it to google yet.)


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Hoyt Bailey]

- Original Message - 
From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 14:08
Subject: Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)


 On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 05:20:22AM -0500, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 16:09
  Subject: Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)
 
 
   On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
... After Iraq and Palestine
etc is freed, and your traitors and war criminals has been hanged,
there may be a new _viable_ chance for peace.
  
   Without going into left field, and without saying anything negative,
   what's your vision of a harmonious world?  Use only positive
statements.
  
  Impossiable conditions.(footnote)

 Ask a 70 year old (any country) if he feels that way.

(footnote)
Ask me next year I'm only 69.



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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:09:30 -0700, 
Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
  ... After Iraq and Palestine
  etc is freed, and your traitors and war criminals has been hanged, 
  there may be a new _viable_ chance for peace.  
 
 Without going into left field, and without saying anything negative,
 what's your vision of a harmonious world?  Use only positive
 statements.

..I'll read positive as constructive, like boot school chew outs, they
make your average 85 IQ GI a better peace maker, the purpose of war 
_is_ laying a _new_ foundation for Peace, and _someone_ has to do it,
and, to get it done _right_, your Gumps _must_believe_ they do the 
_right_ thing, or, they'll lose like in Vietnam.

..and, they will need to convince the Muslim side too, now, first.

..yeah, this planet _can_ become a paradise for _all_ of mankind, we
have everything we need to get there.  Most of oil etc is gone long
before we gets there, and we need to invest it to get started.  I see 15
billion people in 50 years, over the next 1000 years this would ease
back to 5 billion, as we begin to explore other planets, and when we
find other habitable planets, well, the sky is the limit.  ;-)

..we will need to come up with a non-carnivorous economy, capitalism is
an excellent tool to win wars and it _can_ be used to share this planets
wealth, so we _all_ can enjoy a comfortable nice life, but it must
become sustainable.  Transportation will be electrified, Cuba and the US
will make heavy use of mills in the Gulf Stream, most other places will
use 
solar power and biomass, air commerce will use combustion powerplants, 
either hydrogen or synthetic hydrocarbons.  

..part of the oil must be used to make better use of coal, and co-fire
MSW, I see the 15 billion over 300 years peak load being carried by coal
and ocean currents like the Gulf stream, there is no need for the Green
Fear that goes There Are Too Many of us, So Someone Has to Do 
Something About It, just like Saddam, Osama, Jacques, Kim and George
_are_ doing.

..we _have_ the technology to put _all_ 15 billions in crazy peel power
automobiles, if we want to: http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/bitterly.html 
http://www.repp.org/discussion/gasification/200201/msg00037.html

..replanting deserts, refilling the Aral Sea and the ground water
reservoirs, restoring the 400 years worth of pollution, while
cultivating the planet to maximize the sustainable production rather
than pillage the Asian and Africans etc, are massive projects that will
dwarf WWII, the Cold War Arms Race etc, in scale and in a benign way.


..the hard part is _getting_ there.  Now that we're got ourselves in on
the wrong side in Sissy Boy George's Crusade Against Islam, instead of 
wiping out all the war criminals, we have to _convince_ the Muslims 
we'll try to fix what we fucked up.  That means _full_ compliance to 
the 4 Geneva Conventions, _instead_ of candy and glass pearls to win 
their hearts.  Islam has similar rules on physical Jihad, and we 
_are_ required to heed the strictest combination of these Convention
Rules. 


..some of you guys code games.  I saw Gentoo lose developers on adopting
Americas Army, where Q3 and CS was ok, because of the implied
politics.  Neither of these games makes use of the 4 Geneva Convention
on calulating the game kill score.

..making use of the 4 Geneva Conventions on calculating game scores,
will make these games even more challenging than the Q3 and CS style
ammo spraying I see in lan partys.  These games does help prepare gamers
for combat in RL military service.  Even pasifists play these games,
because the challenges involved, is great fun.  

..they do not help prevent war crimes, as they are now.  These games
rather encourage war crimes, as they teach you to shoot first, then ask
and aim and think.  

..these games _can_ be used to prepare gamers for RL military service
_repressing_ war crimes, _if_ the gamers can score points doing _that_ 
very bit.
 
..man _is_ civilized, US Army research mention it took 25000 rounds to
kill the 99 Lakota warriors at Wounded Knee, in a Civil War battle, the
average dead man had reloaded his muzzle loader without firing it, on
average twice, making these frail guns tripleloaded pipe bombs, one 
such gun got 10 charges before its owner was killed.
http://www-cgsc.army.mil/milrev/English/MayJun99/Pierson.htm

..more stuff found searching for the above and  S. L. A. Marshall's 
Men Against Fire: The Problem of Battle Command in Future War. 
Gloucester, MA: Peter Smith, 1978, c1947. 
First published in 1947, this book highlights General Marshall's
perception of soldiers in combat based on his own experiences in two
world wars and on extensive interviews of combat troops. This book is
essential reading for all commanders from platoon to division.
Questionable, however, are Marshall's statistics on ratios of fire.:

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Pigeon]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
 On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:18:03 -0700, 
 Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 07:50:58PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
   On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:38:18AM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:07:05PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:28:29AM -0700, Tom wrote:
 
  Europe is America minus 10 years.
 
 And not just Europe.  And that's exactly what the bin Ladens, 
 Jacques Chiracs etc of this world are fighting to prevent.

I'm kind of afraid to ask but what does Bin Laden have to do with
Jacques Chirac.
 
 ...or Bush.
 
   They share an antipathy towards US domination and create US 
   antipathy towards them by their different ways of expressing it.
 
 ..expressing it???  How about a wee lecture in _that_ art?
 
 ..sofistication and Qui bono?:

pedant
s/Q/C/
/pedant
(sorry, the language thread's got me into Latin mode :-) )

 _Who_ did _not_ bomb|sabotage|etc
 Hitlers railroads to Auschwitz?  _Who_ dropped the surviving Jews off
 _right_ in between _who's_ colonies in the Middle East?

...mind you, dem Jews should have taken more notice of their own book.
Isaiah, beginnings of chapters 30 and 31 spring to mind. And lots of
other bits.

 _Who_ got 
 a _wee_ hint in 1956 over a certain Suez Canal, by _which_ other 3 
 veto powers in the UN Security Council?  _Who_ dropped _who's_ 
 Indo-China colony wars into Forrest Gump's lap in the early 60'ies?  
 In that 13 year old laptop colony war, _which_ Sissy Boy ANG 
 lieutenant went AWOL for a full year ?  _Where_ did he go, and, 
 qu'a-t-il fait l??
 
 ..Europe is America minus 10 years..  Riiight.  
 
  God, this planet needs another LSD revolution; we need another
  Beatles.

YES... hmmm... Foursome dating from 60s with Beatles inspirations and
none of them having one foot in the grave, needed to spearhead the day
of revolution. John - Les - Woolly - Mel - get back together, the
world needs you, debian-user has decided it!

  Life could be so much more interesting than this.
 
 ..as in worthwhile, I agree, as in exiting, I respectfully disagree, 
 I could use _less_ exitement, like in peace.  

...live in interesting times :-)

 ..now we have GI's committing suicide just like in Vietnam.  Dope was
 abused there too, and it won't help you this time either.

...handing out speed and downers like smarties isn't a very good idea
either...

 Draft Dodger
 Bill Clinton at the very least had enough spine to salute some of the 
 coffins he caused.
 
 ..put your traitors and your war criminals where they belong, on trial.
 They really belong on death row, but do it _right_.  I mean, you kicked=
 
 Nixon out of Office on some silly burglary.  After Iraq and Palestine
 etc is freed, and your traitors and war criminals has been hanged, 
 there may be a new _viable_ chance for peace.  

hmmm... s/hanged/imprisoned/ I think getting rid of the death penalty
would be an excellent thing for America to do.

 ..you will have to earn it.  And, you _can_.  It only takes a spine.
 Once you show it, the Muslims may want to do likewise with their 
 war criminals.  
 Facing Our Nuclear Etc Alliance, they _are_ showing their spines.
 And, they _are_ about as right as the Jews in WWII.

...facing cultural rather than physical extermination... I'm inclined
towards agreement.

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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Pigeon]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 06:41:23PM -0400, Thomas Pomber wrote:
 Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
   ... After Iraq and Palestine
   etc is freed, and your traitors and war criminals has been hanged,
   there may be a new _viable_ chance for peace.
 
  Without going into left field, and without saying anything negative,
  what's your vision of a harmonious world? Use only positive statements.

 The return of Christ.

Rock on that man...

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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Bijan Soleymani]

On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:07:05PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:28:29AM -0700, Tom wrote:
 
  Europe is America minus 10 years.
 
 And not just Europe.  And that's exactly what the bin Ladens, 
 Jacques Chiracs etc of this world are fighting to prevent.

I'm kind of afraid to ask but what does Bin Laden have to do with
Jacques Chirac.

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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

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On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:38:18AM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:07:05PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
  On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:28:29AM -0700, Tom wrote:
  
   Europe is America minus 10 years.
  
  And not just Europe.  And that's exactly what the bin Ladens, 
  Jacques Chiracs etc of this world are fighting to prevent.
 
 I'm kind of afraid to ask but what does Bin Laden have to do with
 Jacques Chirac.

They share an antipathy towards US domination and create US 
antipathy towards them by their different ways of expressing it.

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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Tom]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 07:50:58PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:38:18AM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
  On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:07:05PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
   On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:28:29AM -0700, Tom wrote:
   
Europe is America minus 10 years.
   
   And not just Europe.  And that's exactly what the bin Ladens, 
   Jacques Chiracs etc of this world are fighting to prevent.
  
  I'm kind of afraid to ask but what does Bin Laden have to do with
  Jacques Chirac.
 
 They share an antipathy towards US domination and create US 
 antipathy towards them by their different ways of expressing it.
 

God, this planet needs another LSD revolution; we need another Beatles.  
Life could be so much more interesting than this.


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:18:03 -0700, 
Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 07:50:58PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
  On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:38:18AM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
   On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:07:05PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:28:29AM -0700, Tom wrote:

 Europe is America minus 10 years.

And not just Europe.  And that's exactly what the bin Ladens, 
Jacques Chiracs etc of this world are fighting to prevent.
   
   I'm kind of afraid to ask but what does Bin Laden have to do with
   Jacques Chirac.

...or Bush.

  They share an antipathy towards US domination and create US 
  antipathy towards them by their different ways of expressing it.

..expressing it???  How about a wee lecture in _that_ art?

..sofistication and Qui bono?:  _Who_ did _not_ bomb|sabotage|etc
Hitlers railroads to Auschwitz?  _Who_ dropped the surviving Jews off
_right_ in between _who's_ colonies in the Middle East?  _Who_ got 
a _wee_ hint in 1956 over a certain Suez Canal, by _which_ other 3 
veto powers in the UN Security Council?  _Who_ dropped _who's_ 
Indo-China colony wars into Forrest Gump's lap in the early 60'ies?  
In that 13 year old laptop colony war, _which_ Sissy Boy ANG 
lieutenant went AWOL for a full year ?  _Where_ did he go, and, 
qu'a-t-il fait là?

..Europe is America minus 10 years..  Riiight.  

 God, this planet needs another LSD revolution; we need another
 Beatles.  Life could be so much more interesting than this.

..as in worthwhile, I agree, as in exiting, I respectfully disagree, 
I could use _less_ exitement, like in peace.  

..now we have GI's committing suicide just like in Vietnam.  Dope was
abused there too, and it won't help you this time either.  Draft Dodger
Bill Clinton at the very least had enough spine to salute some of the 
coffins he caused.

..put your traitors and your war criminals where they belong, on trial.
They really belong on death row, but do it _right_.  I mean, you kicked 
Nixon out of Office on some silly burglary.  After Iraq and Palestine
etc is freed, and your traitors and war criminals has been hanged, 
there may be a new _viable_ chance for peace.  

..you will have to earn it.  And, you _can_.  It only takes a spine.
Once you show it, the Muslims may want to do likewise with their 
war criminals.  
Facing Our Nuclear Etc Alliance, they _are_ showing their spines.
And, they _are_ about as right as the Jews in WWII.

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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Tom]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
 ... After Iraq and Palestine
 etc is freed, and your traitors and war criminals has been hanged, 
 there may be a new _viable_ chance for peace.  

Without going into left field, and without saying anything negative,
what's your vision of a harmonious world?  Use only positive statements.


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

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The return of Christ.Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ... After Iraq and Palestine etc is freed, and your traitors and war criminals has been hanged,  there may be a new _viable_ chance for peace. Without going into left field, and without saying anything negative,what's your vision of a harmonious world? Use only positive statements.-- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:04:03 -0700, 
Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
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 On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 10:57:27PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
 some far out stuff
 
 I like the way you think man!
 Highly consistent...

..excellent.  Act on it.

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Somewhat ON-TOPIC (was Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS))

[Alex Malinovich]

On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 06:17:07PM -0500, James W. Thompson, II wrote:
 Boy has this thread gone out into left/right field, however you want 
 to term it, and gotten off topic. Why do we allow ourselves to be 
 distracted and flame back and forth, completely ignoring why this list 
 exists, we're here to form a constructive dialogue and to help each 
 other solve real problems with specific systems, not argue over stuff 
 completely disconnected from this list's purpose. Nobody can ever win 
 an argument without killing their opponent physically, emotionally or 
 otherwise; and to endeavor to do such is downright immoral and 
 unethical. 

Though I haven't really participated, I personally do actually like OT
threads like this one. Go figure. :) Sure, some of the flaming can get
kind of thick at times, but it's also interesting to see some opinions
every once in a while. However, I definitely do agree that this should
NOT be on debian-user. So why don't we have a debian-ot list? Once a
thread goes OT, it just gets migrated to debian-ot, and those
interested can pursue it there while the rest of debian-user is not
inundated with it.

 P.S. - On the political side of things I am a Christian, an American, 
 and a Conservative and if anyone gives a rip about my view of
 america's 

I'm a Muslim, Canadian, Liberal! Die scumbag!!! :) Sorry, couldn't
resist. :) (And I'm none of the above.)

p.s. To actually contribute something that's ON-TOPIC, I'd suggest
that in the future you consider snipping irrelevant parts of an old
email in your replies. That way we don't have to see all of an old
message when, in fact, your comments may only deal with a small
fragment of it. Also, when you reply, please do not top-post, but
rather include your reply AFTER the quoted text you're replying
to. This is a 'standard' that has, unfortunately, been steadily losing
ground due to Microsoft's decisions with their mail clients.

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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Bijan Soleymani]

On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 05:26:53PM -0400, Thomas Pomber wrote:
 I was talking to this electrician who just relocated here to Canada
 from Russia, and I was blown away when he told me that they didn't
 brainwash their people in The Commie Days half as much as the US does
 today.  Yeah right, I said!  But he said that they never had movies
 where the Americans were depicted as ignorant morons like you guys do.
 Anyway, to make a long story short, the guy's got a point.

A good reason for this is that for the later half of the 20th century
the U.S. stopped using physical force on its own people (or at least
used less of it). Instead they decided on spending the money on public
relations, and on technicalogical methods.  So basically they got into
bed with the entertainment industry to make sure that every little film
and show had its little piece of propoganda.

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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Tom]

On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 10:47:41AM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 05:26:53PM -0400, Thomas Pomber wrote:
  I was talking to this electrician who just relocated here to Canada
  from Russia, and I was blown away when he told me that they didn't
  brainwash their people in The Commie Days half as much as the US does
  today.  Yeah right, I said!  But he said that they never had movies
  where the Americans were depicted as ignorant morons like you guys do.
  Anyway, to make a long story short, the guy's got a point.
 
 A good reason for this is that for the later half of the 20th century
 the U.S. stopped using physical force on its own people (or at least
 used less of it). Instead they decided on spending the money on public
 relations, and on technicalogical methods.  So basically they got into
 bed with the entertainment industry to make sure that every little film
 and show had its little piece of propoganda.

Must be true.  When I was in Europe and turned on the TV, I said:
God, please let me get back to my land of 500 channels of fakeness.

Europe is America minus 10 years.


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

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On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:28:29AM -0700, Tom wrote:

 Europe is America minus 10 years.

And not just Europe.  And that's exactly what the bin Ladens, 
Jacques Chiracs etc of this world are fighting to prevent.

 
 
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Two-cents-worth from Canada:

It's nice being a Canadian because you get a little bit of variety in the propaganda you're exposed to, which lends itself to a more well-rounded brainwashing. You get to pick what bullshit you are going to believe.

We sympathize for our brothers in the States who don't have this. If there's a war, you have this thing where all debate is shut down - supposedly to support the troops.

But you are being played. There was nothing virtuous or honorable about the war in Iraq. It was a really big guy (the US) picking on a little guy (Iraq). Whether or not Saddam is an asshole is beside the point.

Anybody who supports Bush on Iraq is asking their leaders to lie. This thing in Iraq is worse for you than it is for Iraq because you guys - the torch-bearers for freedom and democracy - are selling out that which made you great. And you would prefer to believe your government's BS than think for yourselves.

It's pretty sad,really.

And the way you permit your President tolie to the entire world (including yourselves) is shameful. In one day, you threw all the integrity and respect youhad out the window -and in the name of blind patriotism you believed the lie.

But I suspect American feelings about their militarymight are over-rated. For instance, if they gave a shit, China would kick your ass in a war.

America has become a bully. And pride comes before a fall.

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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

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God, y'all I promise I'll shut up.


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On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:26:38PM -0400, Thomas Pomber wrote:
 But I suspect American feelings about their military might are over-rated.  For 
 instance, if they gave a shit, China would kick your ass in a war.
  
 America has become a bully.  And pride comes before a fall.

You haven't seen American military power yet.  All of you've seen is us 
holding back, cause the TV crew is looking.

I was on a plane to Cali, sitting next to a guy going to Ft. Pendleton.  
He was in PsOps -- told me some great stories.

One was about Somalia.  All you heard on TV was the American getting 
dragged through the streets.  You didn't hear about the next day, when 
we went in to get some payback: guy told me we fired so many shots, the 
soldiers gun barrels melted.  Killed about 200 civies for payback.

Another guy told me the true story about the first gulf war: on TV, you 
saw pictures of Iraqis surrendering to TV crews.  In the radio room, my 
friend told me stories of Iraqis walking out of bunkers only to be 
gunned down.

So, if you want to get all pissed off, get REALLY pissed off, cause the 
truth is 500 times worse than your theories, but don't be mistaken that 
what's going on Iraq is because we couldn't massacre the fuck out of 
them.  We're holding back, trying to be nice.

The whole European we've evolved beyond war is an illusion - I can't 
wait for the next good war you get yourselves into.  It'll happen.  And 
I'll be there calling you a baby killer.


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:56:34 -0700
Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:26:38PM -0400, Thomas Pomber wrote:
  But I suspect American feelings about their military might are
  over-rated.  For instance, if they gave a shit, China would kick
  your ass in a war.
   
  America has become a bully.  And pride comes before a fall.
 
 You haven't seen American military power yet.  All of you've seen is
 us holding back, cause the TV crew is looking.
 
 I was on a plane to Cali, sitting next to a guy going to Ft.
 Pendleton. 

Yeah - Colombia is prime example for US foreign policies - 40 years
civil war

 He was in PsOps -- told me some great stories.
 
Is there a point to this? Besides of believing any story some guy makes
up.
For your info - guys in special forces are not even allowed to tell wive
or family where they are going.Much less what they are doing.

Call the duke back from the grave.

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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:56:34 -0700, 
Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
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 On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:26:38PM -0400, Thomas Pomber wrote:
  But I suspect American feelings about their military might are
  over-rated.  For instance, if they gave a shit, China would kick
  your ass in a war.

.._if_ their GI believe _they_ are in the _right_ side, and the Yankee 
GI's carry on like in Iraq, _agreed_.  Very good odds now.

  America has become a bully.  And pride comes before a fall.
 
 You haven't seen American military power yet.  All of you've seen is
 us holding back, cause the TV crew is looking.
 
 I was on a plane to Cali, sitting next to a guy going to Ft.
 Pendleton.  He was in PsOps -- told me some great stories.
 
 One was about Somalia.  All you heard on TV was the American getting 
 dragged through the streets.  You didn't hear about the next day, when
 we went in to get some payback: guy told me we fired so many shots,
 the soldiers gun barrels melted.  Killed about 200 civies for payback.

..payback is a war crime.  Please report this story-teller to the FBI,
hopefully he is just a skilled wannabe, but he _may_ have told you the
truth, and should in that case be able to help enforce the 4 Geneva
Conventions as it is incorporated into US law. 

 Another guy told me the true story about the first gulf war: on TV,
 you saw pictures of Iraqis surrendering to TV crews.  In the radio
 room, my friend told me stories of Iraqis walking out of bunkers only
 to be gunned down.

..many were gunned down by their own for treason by Saddam's guys. 
_Also_ a war crime where the perpetrators should hang. 

 So, if you want to get all pissed off, get REALLY pissed off, cause
 the truth is 500 times worse than your theories, but don't be mistaken
 that what's going on Iraq is because we couldn't massacre the fuck out
 of them.  We're holding back, trying to be nice.

..agreed, the problem is, trying is not good enough.  You have to
_convince_ and with authority.  Bush _has_ convinced the Muslims 
he is on a crusade against Islam and the Arabs for oil.  And, they 
know their enemy has the nukes, so being right doesn't help them 
that much.

.._no_ amount of candy and glass pearls will change that.

..so, unless you agree Arabs and Muslims should be treated like the 
Jews in Auschwitz, you and your country has a job to do.  

..you say you were impressed by some payback war crime stories.  
I ask _you_ to help the FBI or the military equivalent of it,
investigate 
these war crime allegations in these stories.  Your _potential_ failure 
to help the GI's in Afghanistan and Iraq by helping weed out US war 
criminals, will only help al-Quaeda's propaganda fuel Arab and 
Muslim belief you're exterminating them to pillage their oil fields.  
Your call.

 The whole European we've evolved beyond war is an illusion - I can't
 wait for the next good war you get yourselves into.  It'll happen. 
 And I'll be there calling you a baby killer.

..I agree that will be well deserved, considering the way Europeans
promote war crime thru factual endorsement and subversion.  
And I _hate_ being right.

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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

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On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 06:35:18PM -0200, Klaus Imgrund wrote:
 On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:56:34 -0700
 Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  He was in PsOps -- told me some great stories.
  
 Is there a point to this? Besides of believing any story some guy makes
 up.
 For your info - guys in special forces are not even allowed to tell wive
 or family where they are going.Much less what they are doing.

I meant PsyOps Psychological Operations.  This was in 2000, he was 
telling me ancient history.  And it's all in the public record, though 
its rarely discussed.

But, you're right, there's no real point.

It does strike me as extremely amazing that you feel stories such as 
this could be mere fantasy.  It shows me you really don't understand 
Americans!


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Thomas Pomber]

Fuck off! Are you serious?

Do you think you've got a bigger dick than me, too, just because you're an American?

I was talking to this electrician who just relocated here to Canadafrom Russia, and I was blown away when he told me that they didn't brainwash their people in The CommieDays half as much asthe US does today. Yeah right, I said! But he said that they never had movies where the Americans were depicted as ignorant morons like you guys do. Anyway, to make a long story short, the guy's got a point.

If you,as an individual, want to remain ignorant, that's up to you. But don't criticize us for having the courage to think beyond what they tell us on the American news. 

And it's not about any of that European bullshit either. It's about what's true, and what's right.

Peace.Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:26:38PM -0400, Thomas Pomber wrote: But I suspect American feelings about their military might are over-rated. For instance, if they gave a shit, China would kick your ass in a war.  America has become a bully. And pride comes before a fall.You haven't seen American military power yet. All of you've seen is us holding back, cause the TV crew is looking.I was on a plane to Cali, sitting next to a guy going to Ft. Pendleton. He was in PsOps -- told me some great stories.One was about Somalia. All you heard on TV was the American getting dragged through the streets. You didn't hear about the next day, when we went in to get some payback: guy told me we fired so many shots, the soldiers gun barrels melted. Killed about 200 civies for payback.Another guy told me the true story abo
 ut the
 first gulf war: on TV, you saw pictures of Iraqis surrendering to TV crews. In the radio room, my friend told me stories of Iraqis walking out of bunkers only to be gunned down.So, if you want to get all pissed off, get REALLY pissed off, cause the truth is 500 times worse than your theories, but don't be mistaken that what's going on Iraq is because we couldn't massacre the fuck out of them. We're holding back, trying to be nice.The whole European "we've evolved beyond war" is an illusion - I can't wait for the next good war you get yourselves into. It'll happen. And I'll be there calling you a baby killer.-- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[Tom]

On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 10:57:27PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
some far out stuff

I like the way you think man!
Highly consistent...


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[James W. Thompson, II]

Boy has this thread gone out into left/right field, however you want to term it, and gotten off topic. Why do we allow ourselves to be distracted and flame back and forth, completely ignoring why this list exists, we're here to form a constructive dialogue and to help each other solve real problems with specific systems, not argue over stuff completely disconnected from this list's purpose. Nobody can ever win an argument without killing their opponent physically, emotionally or otherwise; and to endeavor to do such is downright immoral and unethical.

-James

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On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 04:26 PM, Thomas Pomber wrote:

Fuck off!  Are you serious?
 
Do you think you've got a bigger dick than me, too, just because you're an American?
 
I was talking to this electrician who just relocated here to Canada from Russia, and I was blown away when he told me that they didn't brainwash their people in The Commie Days half as much as the US does today.  Yeah right, I said!  But he said that they never had movies where the Americans were depicted as ignorant morons like you guys do.  Anyway, to make a long story short, the guy's got a point.
 
If you, as an individual, want to remain ignorant, that's up to you.  But don't criticize us for having the courage to think beyond what they tell us on the American news. 
 
And it's not about any of that European bullshit either.  It's about what's true, and what's right. 
 
Peace.

Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:26:38PM -0400, Thomas Pomber wrote:
> But I suspect American feelings about their military might are over-rated. For instance, if they gave a shit, China would kick your ass in a war.
>
> America has become a bully. And pride comes before a fall.

You haven't seen American military power yet. All of you've seen is us
holding back, cause the TV crew is looking.

I was on a plane to Cali, sitting next to a guy going to Ft. Pendleton.
He was in PsOps -- told me some great stories.

One was about Somalia. All you heard on TV was the American getting
dragged through the streets. You didn't hear about the next day, when
we went in to get some payback: guy told me we fired so many shots, the
soldiers gun barrels melted. Killed about 200 civies for payback.

Another guy told me the true story abo ut the first gulf war: on TV, you
saw pictures of Iraqis surrendering to TV crews. In the radio room, my
friend told me stories of Iraqis walking out of bunkers only to be
gunned down.

So, if you want to get all pissed off, get REALLY pissed off, cause the
truth is 500 times worse than your theories, but don't be mistaken that
what's going on Iraq is because we couldn't massacre the fuck out of
them. We're holding back, trying to be nice.

The whole European we've evolved beyond war is an illusion - I can't
wait for the next good war you get yourselves into. It'll happen. And
I'll be there calling you a baby killer.


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)

[ScruLoose]

On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 10:56:34AM -0700, Tom wrote:

 He was in PsOps -- told me some great stories.

Hehe!  No doubt he did.
After all, if he's in PsyOps that is his job.

Cheers.
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