Re: compatibility problems
Håkon Alstadheim wrote: John Hasler wrote: [...] If the modem provides straight ethernet (no pppoe or other specialities required), then the docs that come with your modem will usually tell you what ip-address the modem will have. [...] In my (limited) experience, the IP is usually 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1. You can login to the modem using a web browser and change this to suit your needs. -- Chris. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John Hasler wrote: Andrei writes: There are modems that also do the pppoe part. This is true. Those ones also usually also handle NAT and DHCP. They are often plug and play with any operating system (except for entering the username and password the ISP gave you via the Web server in the modem). The driver ATT wants you to install is just full of crapware that they want on your computer. If the modem provides straight ethernet (no pppoe or other specialities required), then the docs that come with your modem will usually tell you what ip-address the modem will have. Plug everything in per the instructions, enable the interface with dhcp and browse to said address. If the docs say nothing, watch the output from your dhcp client to find the ip of the modem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 06:01:34PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: Don Harwood writes: att sells the modem to you. when i was talking to them they said there was a driver disk that i needed to load You don't need any drivers on Linux and you almost certainly don't need any on Windows either. If your modem is anything like most others it contains a Web server that you connect to with a browser to configure it (it may not need any configuration). Run pppoeconfig to configure Linux to connect to it. There are modems that also do the pppoe part. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: compatibility problems
Andrei writes: There are modems that also do the pppoe part. This is true. Those ones also usually also handle NAT and DHCP. They are often plug and play with any operating system (except for entering the username and password the ISP gave you via the Web server in the modem). The driver ATT wants you to install is just full of crapware that they want on your computer. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 07:05:57PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 03:25:00PM -0800, Don Harwood wrote: the synergy program comes with cad thus an integrated cad/cam system. i used autocad 10 but that was years ago. actually the driver for the cnc is emc2, this translates the g-code into stepper pulses so i don't just reply in my email i need to go the list or is cc to debian-user@lists.debian.org good I don't know what email client you are using. In Mutt, you use X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.4 March 27, 2005 Ahh, another mailer which doesn't care about sig delimiters. :-( Doug, if you put the following in your .muttrc, you can. :-) # What headers are displayed ignore * unignore From Date Subject To Cc User-agent X-Mailer And a hdr_order X-Mailer User-agent From Date To Cc Subject Keeps it all consistent. -- Chris. == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: compatibility problems
Don Harwood wrote: yes i downloaded the net install cd on my friends dialup this week end i hope to try my first bootup, i wont get the dsl installed until next year so i wont be able to get the full package until then my fingers are crossed This NewbieDOC article [1] may get you started with setting up DSL [1] http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Broadband_-_setting_up_an_ethernet_ADSL_modem/router -- Chris. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: compatibility problems
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 05:05:57PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: The keyboard is a slightly different issue as all wireless stuff tends to be. If it has a driver in the linux kernel supplied by Debian (i.e. not excluded due to tainted licensing), then it too should just work. However, you may have to do some tweaking to get all the extra buttons working (if you want them). Note that if it's a USB keyboard, there's a very good chance that it just speaks the standard USB keyboard protocol regardless of whether or not it's wireless. In that case it should just work (and as Douglas said, you'll know whether it does or not after the first screen of the installer). Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Don Harwood wrote: thanks for the understanding with us newbies, i will probably drop the wireless kb, thanks for the heads-up about security As a minor point, keyboards and USB have to be fairly OS-independent, as if you need to 'press F10 for setup', you need to do it before the BIOS even knows if there's a hard drive there, and long before an OS loads. And yes, I *have* seen 'keyboard error, press F2 to continue', and it isn't funny. Normally it means you've forgotten to plug one in, and the BIOS doesn't have a 'no-keyboard' boot option. OK, there's probably a row of extra buttons that do clever things, but only after a 100MB service has been loaded by the OS, which is obviously rather specific, but which you can probably do without. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Don Harwood wrote: hello world I'm a new convert to the debian linux world however I'm starting to get cold feet with compatibility issues, i just purchased a CNC mill that is run by a amd64 box with debian linux, i also just had a new box built for me to do my cad/cam work on. figuring that since one box is linux why not both [not to mention that i hate windows]. my new box is an amd64 dual core with a high end graphics card, nice box! my trouble starts with the key board, i got a new logitech wireless wave usb keyboard, will it work? Probably. The USB keyboard connection is a standard interface. If you're not sure, pick up a PS/2 keyboard at a Goodwill store. Debug your fancy keyboard later, when everything else works. the logitech people simply say they don't support linux, no help there. should i get an old fashion ps2 keyboard? These days we don't support Linux means our customer service reps are not allowed to answer Linux questions. It does not imply that their product can't be used with a Linux system. They just can't tell you it does. That is reasonable. They can't avoid being a general MSFT help desk, and they don't want to become a Linux help desk too. the next troubling thing i got was when i called att to get dsl service, they also say they don't support linux. what can be done with this? Ignore them. ATT is too cheap for tech support. It's true they won't answer your Linux questions, but so what. Plug in your machine. Get a shell in a terminal window and use the command ifconfig -a to see if you have an Ethernet interface. Probably eth0, but it doesn't have an IP Address yet. If so, run this command tail -f /var/log/messages It will tie up that terminal, watching the kernel log. Then get another shell in a window and run dhclient and just watch. The link light will come on, if it wasn't already on. Your DHCP client will broadcast a request. ATT's DHCP server will respond, after a few seconds, with an offer. The DHCP client will accept the offer. It will overwrite your /etc/resolv.conf file with the name servers ATT wants you to use. It will create two entries in your kernel's routing table. One says what network segment you're on, and the other says where the gateway is to send all packets whose destinations aren't on that segment, the default route. Use the command route -n to observe your routing table. It's pretty amazing. Residential DSL service is easier to set up than dial-up. (No screwing around with chat scripts and setserial and /dev/ttySxx and software modems.) When you have a route, the simplest test is perhaps ping -c 3 kernel.org That will show that your name service works and you can see out. If for some reason the name servers you're supposed to use are dead, there seem to be name servers at 4.2.2.1 and 206.13.28.12 (Verizon and ATT) that someone forgot to unplug. Try pinging those. Don't bother with your web browser if you can't resolve names. Once you're up, find out the right name servers to use and make sure you're using those. Some DSL or cable TV Internet access services require that you establish a PPP tunnel over your Ethernet link, and authenticate yourself with a user name and password. That happens before DHCP will work. But the former SBC and Southwest Bell parts of ATT do not. You just plug in and do DHCP, as if you were on an office LAN. If you want DHCP to run whenever you boot the system, edit the file /etc/network/interfaces and make sure it has a stanza like this auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp I'm not a super user but i had a user level account on a unix system and liked the way it dit its thing. Me too. Unix makes sense. The X Window System makes sense. I had SCO System V at home before Linux came out. That MSFT stuff was just too icky. Welcome home. i need to get this thing up and running before i crawl unhappily back to windows. Don't give up. The only things you can do wrong here are giving up and whining. Accept things as they are. Yes the documentation could be better. But cope with it. Do your part by explaining any problems you run into in complete, accurate detail. This community is amazing. If you do your part we will not let you fail. Cameron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hello world I'm a new convert to the debian linux world however I'm starting to get cold feet with compatibility issues, i just purchased a CNC mill that is run by a amd64 box with debian linux, i also just had a new box built for me to do my cad/cam work on. figuring that since one box is linux why not both [not to mention that i hate windows]. my new box is an amd64 dual core with a high end graphics card, nice box! my trouble starts with the key board, i got a new logitech wireless wave usb keyboard, will it work? the logitech people simply say they don't support linux, no help there. should i get an old fashion ps2 keyboard? the next troubling thing i got was when i called att to get dsl service, they also say they don't support linux. what can be done with this? I'm not a super user but i had a user level account on a unix system and liked the way it dit its thing. i need to get this thing up and running before i crawl unhappily back to windows. thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: compatibility problems
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 01:17:00PM -0800, Don Harwood wrote: hello world I'm a new convert to the debian linux world however I'm starting to get cold feet with compatibility issues, i just purchased a CNC mill that is run by a amd64 box with debian linux, i also just had a new box built for me to do my cad/cam work on. figuring that since one box is linux why not both [not to mention that i hate windows]. my new box is an amd64 dual core with a high end graphics card, nice box! my trouble starts with the key board, i got a new logitech wireless wave usb keyboard, will it work? the logitech people simply say they don't support linux, no help there. should i get an old fashion ps2 keyboard? Theoretically it should, but some the special functions might be missing. the next troubling thing i got was when i called att to get dsl service, they also say they don't support linux. what can be done with this? If the DSL modem they provide connects through an ethernet port then you should have no problems. My modem handles all the connection stuff and even has an integrated firewall. Ironically it is probably running on linux itself. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: compatibility problems
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 11:41:42PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: If the DSL modem they provide connects through an ethernet port then you should have no problems. My modem handles all the connection stuff and even has an integrated firewall. Ironically it is probably running on linux itself. If it is, and they're not giving you the source code for what they're doing, then they're breaking the GPL. If this is the case, they should be running one of the BSDs. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: compatibility problems
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 01:17:00PM -0800, Don Harwood wrote: I'm a new convert to the debian linux world however I'm starting to get cold feet with compatibility issues, i just purchased a CNC mill that is run by a amd64 box with debian linux, i also just had a new box built for me to do my cad/cam work on. figuring that since one box is linux why not both [not to mention that i hate windows]. my new box is an amd64 dual core with a high end graphics card, nice box! my trouble starts with the key board, i got a new logitech wireless wave usb keyboard, will it work? the logitech people simply say they don't support linux, no help there. should i get an old fashion ps2 keyboard? the next troubling thing i got was when i called att to get dsl service, they also say they don't support linux. what can be done with this? I'm not a super user but i had a user level account on a unix system and liked the way it dit its thing. i need to get this thing up and running before i crawl unhappily back to windows. Very few hardware types explicitly support linux or any free OS. By support, they mean that they can tell you what to do when things don't go well. However, most things work on Linux and the BSDs. The DSL modem provided by ATT likely presents you with a 10 MB/s ethernet port and has a dhcp server built-in. Thus, you will have a two-node network on the cable between their modem and your first box (which may only be a firewall you build; any old computer should do). The keyboard is a slightly different issue as all wireless stuff tends to be. If it has a driver in the linux kernel supplied by Debian (i.e. not excluded due to tainted licensing), then it too should just work. However, you may have to do some tweaking to get all the extra buttons working (if you want them). If for some reason you do give up on linux, before you crawl back to windows, try out OpenBSD. It will be very much like your old user level account on a unix system except that you will be a unix administrator. What software do you use for your CAD? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: compatibility problems
On Friday December 28 2007 15:17:00 Don Harwood wrote: hello world I'm a new convert to the debian linux world however I'm starting to get cold feet with compatibility issues, i just purchased a CNC mill that is run by a amd64 box with debian linux, i also just had a new box built for me to do my cad/cam work on. figuring that since one box is linux why not both [not to mention that i hate windows]. my new box is an amd64 dual core with a high end graphics card, nice box! For the CNC mill, any closed-source software that runs on Linux might only be 32-bit, so you very well might have to re-install that box. Time will tell. my trouble starts with the key board, i got a new logitech wireless wave usb keyboard, will it work? the logitech people simply say they don't support linux, no help there. should i get an old fashion ps2 keyboard? Have you Googled for linux logitech wireless keyboard? I have low hopes for success, though. Besides, the encryption in those things is a joke, and no one it his right mind should want to run an unencrypted wireless kb. the next troubling thing i got was when i called att to get dsl service, they also say they don't support linux. what can be done with this? And Cox doesn't support Linux either, but the cable modem outputs Ethernet TCP/IP, and the whole purpose of TCP/IP is inter- operability so there should be no problems. Anyway, you should run behind a h/w firewall. Good consumer- grade firewalling routers cost about $50. Adding 801.11g and WPA2 adds $20-30. I'm not a super user but i had a user level account on a unix system and liked the way it dit its thing. i need to get this thing up and running before i crawl unhappily back to windows. What other Windows apps do you *need*? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA I am an optimist. If I ever quit being an optimist, I guess I'll become a Republican. State Senator Ray Farabee ,(D-Wichita Falls, TX) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: compatibility problems
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 04:59:17PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 11:41:42PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: If the DSL modem they provide connects through an ethernet port then you should have no problems. My modem handles all the connection stuff and even has an integrated firewall. Ironically it is probably running on linux itself. If it is, and they're not giving you the source code for what they're doing, then they're breaking the GPL. ... Really? They're providing a service (however lamely), and I can't see why they'd be compelled to provide all the details because of that. AIUI, they'd need to provide the source code if they modified the GPLd software, but I don't think mere use of it requires disclosure. Ken -- Ken Irving, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 11:41:42PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: If the DSL modem they provide connects through an ethernet port then you should have no problems. My modem handles all the connection stuff and even has an integrated firewall. Ironically it is probably running on linux itself. If it is, and they're not giving you the source code for what they're doing, then they're breaking the GPL. If this is the case, they should be running one of the BSDs. Probably! I think that may be the scenario with a few situations - traffic lights, for example, are supposed to be running on FOSS for the stability factor. Regards, -- David Palmer Linux User - #352034 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:17:00 -0800 Don Harwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the next troubling thing i got was when i called att to get dsl service, they also say they don't support linux. what can be done with this? All that means is that they don't know how to help you if you have questions. I found connecting through Linux to be much easier than through windoze. -- Raquel True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance. --Akhenaton -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday December 28 2007 16:14:32 Ken Irving wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 04:59:17PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 11:41:42PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: If the DSL modem they provide connects through an ethernet port then you should have no problems. My modem handles all the connection stuff and even has an integrated firewall. Ironically it is probably running on linux itself. If it is, and they're not giving you the source code for what they're doing, then they're breaking the GPL. ... Really? They're providing a service (however lamely), and I can't see why they'd be compelled to provide all the details because of that. AIUI, they'd need to provide the source code if they modified the GPLd software, but I don't think mere use of it requires disclosure. If you distribute binaries built from GPL'd s/w, you *must* provide an address to the *recipients* where they can request the source code plus complete build instructions (even a compiler if necessary). A modest processing fee is encouraged, but remember that the GPL was written back when WAN speeds maxed out at 56kbps, so tapes and snail-mail ruled. Obviously it's easier now just to throw it up on the corporate web/ftp site. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA Organic chemistry is the chemistry of carbon compounds. Biochemistry is the study of carbon compounds that crawl. Mike Adams signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: compatibility problems
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 02:26:49PM -0800, Don Harwood wrote: On Debian lists, we usually keep things on the list. FYI, read the code of conduct at lists.debian.org. i currently use Bently microstation V8 at work, however at home with my new CNC system from Sherline i will be using Synergy by Weber Systems. Sherline guaranties plug and play. i haven't even booted the new box yet, i got the first disk off the internet and finally figured out how to crack the iso, i just put the last coat of paint in my shop so i can start installing the hardware but without an internet connection i cant finish loading debian, haven't even tried the keyboard but the driver disk is strictly windows I'm hoping the boot disk will solve my imagined problems before it crashes If you have the netinst.iso or the cd-bin1.iso, you can install a minimal system without a further internet connection. Then, once you have things set up minimally, you can set up networking and then do any security updates and install whatever packages you have. The install CD will be a good check for the keyboard. If it works, it will work for the installer. If not, no. I understand that you have CAM to run the Sherline, but what do you use for CAD? The last time I did CAD, I was using AutoCAD 11 on DOS. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ken Irving writes: Really? They're providing a service (however lamely), and I can't see why they'd be compelled to provide all the details because of that. AIUI, they'd need to provide the source code if they modified the GPLd software, but I don't think mere use of it requires disclosure. If they are renting the modem to him they don't have to provide source. If they sold it to him they do. It doesn't matter whether or not they modified the software. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: compatibility problems
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 01:14:32PM -0900, Ken Irving wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 04:59:17PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 11:41:42PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: If the DSL modem they provide connects through an ethernet port then you should have no problems. My modem handles all the connection stuff and even has an integrated firewall. Ironically it is probably running on linux itself. If it is, and they're not giving you the source code for what they're doing, then they're breaking the GPL. ... Really? They're providing a service (however lamely), and I can't see why they'd be compelled to provide all the details because of that. AIUI, they'd need to provide the source code if they modified the GPLd software, but I don't think mere use of it requires disclosure. They're distributing to you the software in binary form in the media of the modem's memory. Whether or not they modified the GPL code (i.e. to handle their own hardware) we don't know. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 01:14:32PM -0900, Ken Irving wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 04:59:17PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 11:41:42PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: If the DSL modem they provide connects through an ethernet port then you should have no problems. My modem handles all the connection stuff and even has an integrated firewall. Ironically it is probably running on linux itself. If it is, and they're not giving you the source code for what they're doing, then they're breaking the GPL. ... Really? They're providing a service (however lamely), and I can't see why they'd be compelled to provide all the details because of that. AIUI, they'd need to provide the source code if they modified the GPLd software, but I don't think mere use of it requires disclosure. They're distributing to you the software in binary form in the media of the modem's memory. Whether or not they modified the GPL code (i.e. to handle their own hardware) we don't know. There would /have/ to be some modification, surely? Regards, -- David Palmer Linux User - #352034 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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the synergy program comes with cad thus an integrated cad/cam system. i used autocad 10 but that was years ago. actually the driver for the cnc is emc2, this translates the g-code into stepper pulses so i don't just reply in my email i need to go the list or is cc to debian-user@lists.debian.org good -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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yes i downloaded the net install cd on my friends dialup this week end i hope to try my first bootup, i wont get the dsl installed until next year so i wont be able to get the full package until then my fingers are crossed -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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att sells the modem to you. when i was talking to them they said there was a driver disk that i needed to load, i told them i was on a linux box and they said they don't support linux i asked them about unix servers and there tech dud was dumbfounded, so I'm hopping things go well -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Don Harwood wrote: the synergy program comes with cad thus an integrated cad/cam system. i used autocad 10 but that was years ago. actually the driver for the cnc is emc2, this translates the g-code into stepper pulses so i don't just reply in my email i need to go the list or is cc to debian-user@lists.debian.org good I just reply all, and then delete what doesn't apply - i.e., everything that isn't the list address, unless the O.P. has specifically requested home addressing. Regards, David. Linux User - #352034 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 08:12:57AM +0900, David wrote: They're distributing to you the software in binary form in the media of the modem's memory. Whether or not they modified the GPL code (i.e. to handle their own hardware) we don't know. There would /have/ to be some modification, surely? No. Otherwise, since the Debian Way is to use pre-compiled packages rather than to compile packages, there would be no reason (other than a small minorities desire) for Debian to offer deb-src for every deb that they don't modify from the origional. Read the GPL. Term 3. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday December 28 2007 16:48:10 Don Harwood wrote:
Hi Ron
i hope I'm doing this email thing correctly
So far. Except that you completely snipped off my reply. (Not
too much of a big deal.)
the mill comes with a box pre configured with a built in g-code
stepper driver to run the 4 axis, Sherline guaranties plug and
play
its my other new box that worries me,
Your desktop box?
from what i have been
able to find out things may not be so easy, some of this stuff
is overwhelming maybe i bit off to much
The tenor of your conversation screams newbie. Thus, I suggest
that Ubuntu is probably the path to travel, not Debian. If you
grow in geekiness, then you can wipe out Ubuntu and install
Debian. (Putting /home in it's own partition is *mandatory*.)
yes !
However, the wireless kb is probably a lost cause. Not that I'd
use one anyway. Radiating my passwords and CC numbers isn't what
I consider wise
what is 801.11g and WPA2,
My mistake. It's 802.11g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WPA2
like i said im not a system manager
I'm not either. At work I'm a legacy-systems DBA.
yet
thanks
Sure.
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Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson, LA USA
yes i am a total newbie to the linux world, the reason i chose debian is
because the cnc system is debian, after doing some minor research into it i
decided to keep it simple {yeah right} i will make this work !
thanks for the understanding with us newbies, i will probably drop the
wireless kb, thanks for the heads-up about security
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Re: Re: compatibility problems
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 03:25:00PM -0800, Don Harwood wrote: the synergy program comes with cad thus an integrated cad/cam system. i used autocad 10 but that was years ago. actually the driver for the cnc is emc2, this translates the g-code into stepper pulses so i don't just reply in my email i need to go the list or is cc to debian-user@lists.debian.org good I don't know what email client you are using. In Mutt, you use list-reply. Failing that, yes just reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If all the headers are correct, the threading should be maintained. If you are not subscribed, you should request (perhaps in your signature line) that people cc you for this thread. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: compatibility problems
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 03:32:15PM -0800, Don Harwood wrote: yes i downloaded the net install cd on my friends dialup this week end i hope to try my first bootup, i wont get the dsl installed until next year so i wont be able to get the full package until then my fingers are crossed Get your friend to download the debian-installer manual, and the debian-reference manual (available from the website in tarballs or as .debs). Read them while you're waiting for the DSL box so you know how to set up networking from and editor. The hardware (IP, netmask, etc) is set up in /etc/network/interfaces, with your ISP's nameserver in a dns-nameserves line, the box's hostname in /etc/hostname. Anyway, you can ask here for answers when you have difficulties. If you are new to linux and won't be setting up everything at once in the installer (and perhaps if you do too), you will have some problems that are easy to fix with a bit of help. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: compatibility problems
Don Harwood writes: att sells the modem to you. when i was talking to them they said there was a driver disk that i needed to load You don't need any drivers on Linux and you almost certainly don't need any on Windows either. If your modem is anything like most others it contains a Web server that you connect to with a browser to configure it (it may not need any configuration). Run pppoeconfig to configure Linux to connect to it. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: compatibility problems
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 04:05:58PM -0800, Don Harwood wrote: from what i have been able to find out things may not be so easy, some of this stuff is overwhelming maybe i bit off to much The tenor of your conversation screams newbie. Thus, I suggest that Ubuntu is probably the path to travel, not Debian. If you grow in geekiness, then you can wipe out Ubuntu and install Debian. (Putting /home in it's own partition is *mandatory*.) I suppose it depends on how tolerant he is of being overwhelmed. I learned on Debian long before there was Ubuntu. I'm not a desktop-environment type, not much of an X type either and as I understand it, that is the type which Ubuntu targets. So, if the OP wants to learn command-line skills, stick with Debian. If he wants to use X and trusts little widgets to manage his box, go with Ubuntu. I suppose one question would be on which list (Debian's or Ubuntu's) is he more likely to find people who can help when he wants to get the box controlling his sherline? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: compatibility problems
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 04:05:58PM -0800, Don Harwood wrote:
...snip confusing quoting...
yes i am a total newbie to the linux world, the reason i chose debian is
because the cnc system is debian, after doing some minor research into it i
decided to keep it simple {yeah right} i will make this work !
That's the right attitude Don. You can make it work and eventually
you'll wonder how you ever did without such control...
So, remember to be patient. If you get stuck, ask for help, but be
sure to discuss, with some detail, what you've already done to solve
your problem. You might benefit from reading:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
http://www.sunsite.ualberta.ca/jargon/html/email-style.html
among others.
Also, read all you can on www.debian.org, especially the installation
manual. Finally, google is your friend and a little time spent with it
will pay huge dividends.
Above all, have fun!
thanks for the understanding with us newbies, i will probably drop the
wireless kb, thanks for the heads-up about security
smart move.
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On Friday December 28 2007 18:01:34 John Hasler wrote: Don Harwood writes: att sells the modem to you. when i was talking to them they said there was a driver disk that i needed to load You don't need any drivers on Linux and you almost certainly don't need any on Windows either. If your modem is anything like most others it contains a Web server that you connect to with a browser to configure it (it may not need any configuration). Run pppoeconfig to configure Linux to connect to it. That is, of course, if ATT uses PPPoE. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA Vegemite: Yeast extract (comes from the grunge that is left over after the beer brewing process), sea salt, potassium chloride, malt extract, caramel color, natural flavor, niacin, thiamine hydorchloride, riboflavin. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
