Re: is exim the cause for this?
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:08:27PM -0500, Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 04:45:31PM -0600, John Galt wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote: Yes. The mail transfer agent used to deliver mail to one of the subscribers of debian-user is buggy; it is sending error messages to people who send mail to debian-user rather than to the adres specified by Debian's mailing list software for such messages. you mean: Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is, bounces to the person originating the message? That address isn't delivered to you; try it if you like ... It's also set depending on the *recipient*, not the sender. [ is this m-f-t for real ?] In fact, such an address is known as a VERP and allows the list admin to discover _where_ the bounce is occuring (since sometimes it's actually someone subscribed to a list exploder). http://cr.yp.to/proto/verp.txt Cheers, -- Nathan Norman - Staff Engineer | A good plan today is better Micromuse Ltd. | than a perfect plan tomorrow. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Patton pgpgSXF8LN3sy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: is exim the cause for this?
Okay, the return path was the wrong one, but it still stands that it IS normal behavior to inform the sender of the message and not the whole list on a bounce: The address specified by murphy IS the address of the sender, I just can't figure out which header actually relays this information. On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 04:45:31PM -0600, John Galt wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote: Yes. The mail transfer agent used to deliver mail to one of the subscribers of debian-user is buggy; it is sending error messages to people who send mail to debian-user rather than to the adres specified by Debian's mailing list software for such messages. you mean: Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is, bounces to the person originating the message? That address isn't delivered to you; try it if you like ... It's also set depending on the *recipient*, not the sender. Cheers, -- EMACS == Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping Who is John Galt? [EMAIL PROTECTED], that's who!
Re: is exim the cause for this?
On 2001.09.06 04:04 Colin Watson wrote: It's unlikely, unless your ISP has misconfigured their mail systems. Normally the bounces go to an automatic system which will unsubscribe you if it receives enough of them. Ok! If yes the MTA of debian user list should be make possible to send those error messages not to all subscribers. The MTA on lists.debian.org is not involved with the messages we're all getting, and can do nothing about them. I see. Or to a place only for listmaster, so he can delete those subscribers if their mailboxes are full for a very long time. That's exactly what the lists are set up to do, but unfortunately some systems are set up badly and ignore these instructions. (Mailers should always send error messages to the return-path address, not the address in the message's From: line.) Aha. Thanxs for this informaitions. Timo
is exim the cause for this?
Hi! Since i use exim as MTA there is a very strange thing: Everytime if i make with Balsa a reply to all i get the following mail into my mailbox. It is eaqual which mail address of yours i reply. There cames everytime the same message. Only the subjet in first line is identical whith the subject of your mails i reply. And the same happens if i write e new mail to debians user-list. Any idea why this happens? Timo On 2001.09.05 14:40 Mensagem Automatica da TERRA wrote: Your message with subject [Re: i810 sound?] was not delivered to the following recipient: [heiliger]. This recipient's mailbox is full. Sua mensagem com assunto [Re: i810 sound?] nao foi entregue ao seguinte destinatario: [heiliger]. A caixa-postal deste destinatario esta' cheia. by srv4-bra.bra.terra.com.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06088 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:40:13 -0300 Received: from murphy.debian.org (murphy.debian.org [216.234.231.6]) by mx6.terra.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B11B62B71 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:40:11 -0300 (GMT+3) Received: (qmail 30171 invoked by uid 38); 5 Sep 2001 11:59:21 - X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 27674 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 11:58:04 - Received: from mail.gmx.net (213.165.64.20) by murphy.debian.org with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 11:58:04 - Received: (qmail 15382 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2001 11:57:37 - Received: from 2cust-108.tnt5.hnr2.de.gan.uu.net (HELO Calculusterix) (149.225.147.108) by mail.gmx.net (mp005-rz3) with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 11:57:37 - Received: Calculusterix with esmtp (Mailer: Exim 3.31 on Debian Linux Unstable) id 15ebJh-Ea-00; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:58:01 +0200 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:46:12 +0200 From: Timeboy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: i810 sound? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]://www.msn.de References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 07:00:44 +0200 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.2.pre3 Lines: 32 Resent-Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org archive/latest/168182 X-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:40:11 -0300 (GMT+3)
Re: is exim the cause for this?
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 21:52:30 +0200, Timeboy wrote: And the same happens if i write e new mail to debians user-list. Any idea why this happens? Yes. The mail transfer agent used to deliver mail to one of the subscribers of debian-user is buggy; it is sending error messages to people who send mail to debian-user rather than to the adres specified by Debian's mailing list software for such messages. On 2001.09.05 14:40 Mensagem Automatica da TERRA wrote: Your message with subject [Re: i810 sound?] was not delivered to the following recipient: [heiliger]. This recipient's mailbox is full. for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:40:11 -0300 (GMT+3) Hopefully this problem address' subscription will be cancelled by the listmaster soon. Ray -- Tevens ben ik van mening dat Nederland overdekt dient te worden.
Re: is exim the cause for this?
That isn't from your system... That is because someone is subscribed to the list from an ISP that limits the amount of mail they can receive qnd in this case they're over the limit... Jeremy On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:52:30PM +0200, Timeboy wrote: Hi! Since i use exim as MTA there is a very strange thing: Everytime if i make with Balsa a reply to all i get the following mail into my mailbox. It is eaqual which mail address of yours i reply. There cames everytime the same message. Only the subjet in first line is identical whith the subject of your mails i reply. And the same happens if i write e new mail to debians user-list. Any idea why this happens? Timo On 2001.09.05 14:40 Mensagem Automatica da TERRA wrote: Your message with subject [Re: i810 sound?] was not delivered to the following recipient: [heiliger]. This recipient's mailbox is full. Sua mensagem com assunto [Re: i810 sound?] nao foi entregue ao seguinte destinatario: [heiliger]. A caixa-postal deste destinatario esta' cheia. by srv4-bra.bra.terra.com.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06088 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:40:13 -0300 Received: from murphy.debian.org (murphy.debian.org [216.234.231.6]) by mx6.terra.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B11B62B71 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:40:11 -0300 (GMT+3) Received: (qmail 30171 invoked by uid 38); 5 Sep 2001 11:59:21 - X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 27674 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 11:58:04 - Received: from mail.gmx.net (213.165.64.20) by murphy.debian.org with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 11:58:04 - Received: (qmail 15382 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2001 11:57:37 - Received: from 2cust-108.tnt5.hnr2.de.gan.uu.net (HELO Calculusterix) (149.225.147.108) by mail.gmx.net (mp005-rz3) with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 11:57:37 - Received: Calculusterix with esmtp (Mailer: Exim 3.31 on Debian Linux Unstable) id 15ebJh-Ea-00; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:58:01 +0200 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:46:12 +0200 From: Timeboy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: i810 sound? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]://www.msn.de References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 07:00:44 +0200 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.2.pre3 Lines: 32 Resent-Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org archive/latest/168182 X-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:40:11 -0300 (GMT+3) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is exim the cause for this?
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:52:30PM +0200, Timeboy wrote: Hi! Since i use exim as MTA there is a very strange thing: Everytime if i make with Balsa a reply to all i get the following mail into my mailbox. It is eaqual which mail address of yours i reply. There cames everytime the same message. Only the subjet in first line is identical whith the subject of your mails i reply. And the same happens if i write e new mail to debians user-list. Any idea why this happens? Timo On 2001.09.05 14:40 Mensagem Automatica da TERRA wrote: Your message with subject [Re: i810 sound?] was not delivered to the following recipient: [heiliger]. This recipient's mailbox is full. Sua mensagem com assunto [Re: i810 sound?] nao foi entregue ao seguinte destinatario: [heiliger]. A caixa-postal deste destinatario esta' cheia. snip Check recent archives. This has been answered a few times. Someone on the list has a full mailbox and is returning messages. Send them to /dev/null. kent -- The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. --Albert Einstein
Re: is exim the cause for this?
In linux.debian.user, you wrote: Hi! Since i use exim as MTA there is a very strange thing: Everytime if i make with Balsa a reply to all i get the following mail into my mailbox. It is eaqual which mail address of yours i reply. There cames everytime the same message. Only the subjet in first line is identical whith the subject of your mails i reply. And the same happens if i write e new mail to debians user-list. Any idea why this happens? Timo On 2001.09.05 14:40 Mensagem Automatica da TERRA wrote: Your message with subject [Re: i810 sound?] was not delivered to the following recipient: [heiliger]. This recipient's mailbox is full. Sua mensagem com assunto [Re: i810 sound?] nao foi entregue ao seguinte destinatario: [heiliger]. A caixa-postal deste destinatario esta' cheia. Same thing happened to me. I think that there is someone who has a full mailbox and the message is bouncing back from there to the one who sends the email to the list. I will probably get one now when I send this. It is not a problem with exim. It is someone else's problem. Anita
Re: is exim the cause for this?
On 2001.09.05 22:55 J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote: Yes. The mail transfer agent used to deliver mail to one of the subscribers of debian-user is buggy; it is sending error messages to people who send mail to debian-user rather than to the adres specified by Debian's mailing list software for such messages. How can this be possible? H... Sometimes i have no time for the debian user list for two or three weeks. Two times it happens that my mailbox also was full. In this case will then happen the same? If yes the MTA of debian user list should be make possible to send those error messages not to all subscribers. A mailbox can be very fast full by getting 100 till 200 mails a day. Does the listmaster know this problem? On his place i would see to tell the MTA to ignore those mailbox full messages and send them to /dev/null. Or to a place only for listmaster, so he can delete those subscribers if their mailboxes are full for a very long time. Timo
Re: is exim the cause for this?
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote: On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 21:52:30 +0200, Timeboy wrote: And the same happens if i write e new mail to debians user-list. Any idea why this happens? Yes. The mail transfer agent used to deliver mail to one of the subscribers of debian-user is buggy; it is sending error messages to people who send mail to debian-user rather than to the adres specified by Debian's mailing list software for such messages. you mean: Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is, bounces to the person originating the message? On 2001.09.05 14:40 Mensagem Automatica da TERRA wrote: Your message with subject [Re: i810 sound?] was not delivered to the following recipient: [heiliger]. This recipient's mailbox is full. for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:40:11 -0300 (GMT+3) Hopefully this problem address' subscription will be cancelled by the listmaster soon. Ray -- * You are not expected to understand this. --comment from Unix system 6 source, credited to Lions and Johnson Who is John Galt? [EMAIL PROTECTED], that's who: finger me for GPG key
Re: is exim the cause for this?
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 04:45:31PM -0600, John Galt wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote: Yes. The mail transfer agent used to deliver mail to one of the subscribers of debian-user is buggy; it is sending error messages to people who send mail to debian-user rather than to the adres specified by Debian's mailing list software for such messages. you mean: Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is, bounces to the person originating the message? That address isn't delivered to you; try it if you like ... It's also set depending on the *recipient*, not the sender. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is exim the cause for this?
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 12:27:10AM +0200, Timeboy wrote: On 2001.09.05 22:55 J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote: Yes. The mail transfer agent used to deliver mail to one of the subscribers of debian-user is buggy; it is sending error messages to people who send mail to debian-user rather than to the adres specified by Debian's mailing list software for such messages. How can this be possible? Various people run broken software. H... Sometimes i have no time for the debian user list for two or three weeks. Two times it happens that my mailbox also was full. In this case will then happen the same? It's unlikely, unless your ISP has misconfigured their mail systems. Normally the bounces go to an automatic system which will unsubscribe you if it receives enough of them. If yes the MTA of debian user list should be make possible to send those error messages not to all subscribers. The MTA on lists.debian.org is not involved with the messages we're all getting, and can do nothing about them. Or to a place only for listmaster, so he can delete those subscribers if their mailboxes are full for a very long time. That's exactly what the lists are set up to do, but unfortunately some systems are set up badly and ignore these instructions. (Mailers should always send error messages to the return-path address, not the address in the message's From: line.) Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
