Re: Email Address
Zach writes: What does it take to get an @debian.org email address? Chris writes: Lots of ?!?!? Nobody has that much money. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87wr22mbql@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Debian packages depending in libslang2
apt-cache rdepends libslang2 -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r4s9n7jw@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: is it rational to close the 139 port
Stan Hoeppner writes: Gibberish implies one wouldn't be able to remember the password/phrase. Which is why, as Bruce Schneir recommends, you _write it down_. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87haspcogs@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: is it rational to close the 139 port
I wrote: Which is why, as Bruce Schneir recommends, you _write it down_. Brad Rogers writes: Yeah, on a Post-It note. Stuck to the monitor. That's what people do when you tell them not to write it down. _Tell_ them to write it down and tell them _how_. They keep their credit cards and cash safe: they can keep a little black book of passwords safe. Yes, it's a risk. It's a smaller one than the other choices, which are either memorable but weak passwords or strong ones that they will write down improperly no matter what they are told. If someone's little black book of passwords is lost or stolen, they will know it and will promptly change the passwords, most likely before the book falls into the hands of anyone who can actually use it. That is, if they were _authorized_ to create that book. If they weren't they won't want to admit having violated policy and so will say nothing and hope the passwords never get used. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87d33dchqh@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] secure passwords
Bob writes: If you have some scheme of encoding the site into the password using some algorithm unique and secure to you then great. I generate truly random passwords and write them down. So do I. The problem is that the _general public_ is constantly being told Never, ever, ever write down a password!. This leads directly to widespread re-use of trivial passwords. Most people would be better off with a list of random passords taped to the monitor than with what they use now. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ehnrbgrf@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
Celejar writes: ...so just because the marginal cost of duplication is zero, why is is unreasonable for it to charge per copy? It is entirely reasonable for them to charge whatever they see fit for copies they make, but why should your producers be able to charge for copies other people make from copies those people own when the producers incur no costs and none of their property is involved? If the producers don't want me to make copies of the copies they sell me they can refrain from selling to me or condition the sale on contractual terms that limit what copying I can do. Why should I be forbidden by statute to create copies of objects that I own? Doesn't really matter in the long run, though. Now that the marginal cost of copying is zero copyright is going to die. It was only really practical when large-scale copying was an industrial enterprise such that enforcement was feasible. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87fw869kwy@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Intellectual Property Law
doug writes: Not only does copyright not die, as long as Disney is in business, copyrights will extend to eternity! The laws may persist long after effective enforcement ceases, but cease it will. Eventually. In a few hundred years copyright will be seen as a bizarre and incomprehensible medieval practice. Only specialized historians and economists will really understand why it existed. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87boiu9j26.fsf...@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
Brad Alexander writes: The thing I don't understand is that the content producers bang on about intellectual property which, if I am understanding correctly (and I believe I am) is the *content*. Intellectual property is a right established by statute. In the case of copyright it is the exclusive right to create copies of a protected work. Under copyright law a copy is a _tangible object_. ...why do I have to buy the *same* IP every time the industry decides to change formats? You didn't buy the IP. That would mean that you acquired the exclusive right to make copies. You bought a _copy_: a tangible thing. The copyright owner retained the right to create more copies[1]. It's all about copies and the creation and distribution thereof. Copies are _things_. That includes a copy on your hard disk: the disk is a tangible thing and the copy is that portion of it on which the copy resides. IP is about abstract rights. When you acquire a copy of a work you do not acquire any of those rights: just the thing. Quit thinking about copies as immaterial abstractions. [1] The copyright owner may or may not have granted you some limited rights to make copies under some limited circumstances as part of a contract entered into when you purchased the copy from them. In addition, under some circumstances the USA copyright statute grants you limited rights to make copies. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87zk6d8g5i@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
Glenn writes: If I buy an audio cassette of something, I've paid for the content. No. You've paid for the audio cassette. It seems reasonable to me that I have the right to make a copy of what I bought with machinery I own. I agree. The law does not. Making copies of the work [1] is the exclusive right of the copyright owner. ...but our masters have decided not to provide such. They are not your masters. You don't need their stuff. Make your own or get it from people who share your values. [1] A work, in copyright law, is the abstraction that a copy is a physical embodiment of. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vch185b1@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
Celejar writes: This is dogma. It's just advice to someone who seems to think that owning copyrights makes the publishers his masters. There is a great deal of software, and certainly other cultural material (books, movies, music) out there which has no FLOSS equivalent, and I don't have the time / skill to manufacture my own. Do as you will. The point is, you don't actually _need_ that stuff. You peruse it by choice (and so do I (except for the movies)). Is it really reasonable to refuse to read all books that have not been released under a FLOSS license? It is evidently feasible to not read at all. I'm sure you have neighbors and/or coworkers who are living example of that. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r4ro993v@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
Celejar writes: Agreed, but I'm not sure how this effects our disagreement about the legitimacy of the (current) intellectual regime. If they feel the value is less than the amount charged by the creators to recoup their costs, they're free not to purchase the works. They don't purchase the works: those are abstractions. They purchase copies. Yes, this is nitpicking, but in this context the distinction is important. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87zk66232h@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
Celejar writes: ...I lean libertarian... So do I, which is the basis of my criticism of copyright. ...if you don't like the terms of the contract, don't sign it... Right. If you don't want those to whom you sell copies of your work to make additional copies induce them to sign a contract in which they agree not to do so. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vcgu22l0@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
I wrote: If you don't want those to whom you sell copies of your work to make additional copies induce them to sign a contract in which they agree not to do so. Celejar writes: But property rights are treated as fundamental, even (especially!) in libertarian thought. And copies are property. Absent a contract in which I agreed not to do so, why should I not be able to create additional copies of copies which are my property? Why should the state create a monopoly in the creation of copies and punish me for doing as I see fit with my property? I don't need a contract with you to prevent you from stealing my property, and intellectual property law, IIUC, stipulates that IP is treated somewhat (although certainly not entirely) like tangible property. But IP _isn't_ at all like tangible property. It is a bundle of intangible rights created by the state. If I steal your KR first edition you are deprived of the use of it and therefore injured. If I make an additional copy of of my copy of the book Prentice-Hall is deprived of nothing and injured in no way. Nonetheless, they have (and will retain for more than 100 years) the right to get a court to force me to pay them substantial damages should I do so. How is this sort of state-mandated monopoly, explicitly intended to prevent competition, compatible with libertarian values? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87obmm1y3o@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
Ralf writes: The best thing is to be an anarchist! Anarchy is impossible. Some jerk will always jump up and crown himself king. Government is not a necessary evil: it is an inevitable one. The best we can hope for is to minimize it. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87k3xa1up6@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
Andrei writes: I did not question the legitimacy, but the future-proof-ness of a business relying on distributing copies. Right: these are orthogonal issues. Whether one views the current copyright regime as legitimate or not, I don't think it has a future. The work of the publishing industry --making and distributing copies-- simply no longer needs doing. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87fw7y1sp7@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
Celejar writes: You are perfectly free to create your own work and compete with me for the same audiences and dollars; the only thing you can't do is copy _my_ work. Thus you have a monopoly on the reproduction of copies of your work. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87boim1f0e@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Intellectual Property Law
Ralf writes: Thus the human race is in competition, every single human with each other?! Competition and cooperation are not mutually exclusive. Instead of sharing knowledge, we prefer to show who has got the biggest dick?! Sexual competition is a fundamental, instinctive part of human nature. So is cooperation. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/877gta1aix.fsf...@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Intellectual Property Law
Ralf writes: I don't like money! I prefer exchange and altruism. Yes, bankers have nothing to offer, they should die!!! Kill the rich and take their property has been the essence of populism for millennia. Everybody ends up poorer, except the new ruling class. Dealing with food to make money, while humans die because they've got nothing to eat. dealing with knowledge, it's a shame! I don't think you understand what money is. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87393y1a7v.fsf...@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
I wrote: Thus you have a monopoly on the reproduction of copies of your work. Celajar writes: Okay, but this is veering close to sophistry; I can also say that any private ownership of property is monopolistic, since it gives the owner a monopoly on the use of some particular piece of property. Monopolies are commoplace and not, in and of themselves, necessarily either illegal or immoral. Nonetheless copyright creates monopolies where none would otherwise exist: that is its purpose. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vcguywtu@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Intellectual Property Law
Ralf writes: If you're on work and you've got the idea how to improve something regarding to your job, than you're the copyright holder (it's your intelectual property), but you're not the owner. Are you talking about copyright or patent? USA law treats the two quite differently. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r4riyusm.fsf...@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law
Celejar writes: I can say the same about the very institution of private property; it creates a monopoly (only I have the legal right to use a particular piece of property) where none would otherwise exist, and that is its very purpose. You and I cannot eat the same apple. We can both have the same idea. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87mx25zik3@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Will upcoming Debian 8 release default to XFCE for the CD media?
Darac writes: My numbers seem a little suspect there. All popcon numbers are much more than a little suspect. But it doesn't matter. Gnome _does not fit_. I realize that most users break out into a sweat at the thought of dealing with anything but pointies and clickies and so there must be a default DE, but is selecting the one of your choice after inserting the second CD that onerous? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ehngypi8@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Debian desktop news
Guy writes: When was GNOME3 the default desktop for Debain ? Gnome was the default desktop for quite a while. It was assumed that Gnome3 would be the default for Wheezy but it turns out to be too large to fit on the first CD. Gnome3 will presumably be a choice in Tasksel. It would be possible, I suppose, to make Gnome the default desktop on the first DVD but I see no reason why the installer crew should make the extra effort. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/877gt6zun8@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Debian 6.0 , not named as GNU/Linux ?
Guy Gold writes: I've noticed that, up to squeeze, the Debian versions are called Debian GNU/Linux , but, squeeze is called simply Debian , can anyone shed some light on this matter ? There are now Hurd and FreeBSD ports, so Linux is not the only kernel. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87txw75z2v@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Debian 6.0 , not named as GNU/Linux ?
Richard Hector writes: I don't know if there's any move to make it not need GNU tools. There isn't. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87pq6v5yzj@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Looking for interactive programming with simple graphics like old CoCo BASIC or turbo pascal
Joel Rees writes: Any other suggestions? Look at qtoctave and maxima. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87lihi6fjr@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Wheezy and Sun-Java
Brad Rogers writes: The naming of the plug-in is asinine, to say the least. I understand how they arrived at it hot java to iced tea isn't such a leap, but it doesn't help users find it. JAVA and OPENJDK are registered trademarks which were being rigorously enforced at the time the project started. Iced Tea doesn't seem like such a bad mnemonic for Java. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/871uj757q9@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: having a problem removing a package
Rodney writes: How can I get this program uninstalled? First do sudo killall bandwidthd to make sure the daemon isn't running. Then edit /etc/init.d/bandwidthd and add the line exit 0 immediately after the first line (which should be #!/bin/sh). Then remove and purge the package. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87fw7jn08m@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Is my processor 32-bit or 64-bit?
Stephen Powell writes: Boot Strap Processor Installed Speed: 2.40 GHz Socket Name: BSP Manufacturer:GenuineIntel Version: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPUID: 0F27 L2 Cache:512 KB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon#Prestonia http://www.manualowl.com/m/Intel/SE7501CW2/Manual/247398?page=41 -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87txvxkn1s@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Is redeclipse really non-free?
The OFL (Open Font License) is incompatible with the DFSG. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vcg6k4pj@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [SOLVED] Is my processor 32-bit or 64-bit?
Stephen Powell writes: So why are there motherboards available for 32-bit processors that support installing more than 4G of RAM? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87bohvkg6y@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: domain name
Glenn writes: I just wanted to know the *one* place the kernel goes to most efficiently to determine the Internet domain name. The kernel has no interest in domain names. It deals only in IP numbers. Dealing with DNS is the job of a resolver running in user space. But if I were writing all that stuff, the host's domain name relevant to TCP/IP would be in one place... A machine can be in more than one domain. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87fw71igw7@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: domain name
Glenn writes: Was there ever a time when there were no domains, just IPs? There was a time before DNS when there were only hostnames. Everybody had a hosts file (/etc/hosts on Unix) that they periodically ftp'd from the NIC. Got cumbersome. Am I thinking wrong? Or is it possible somehow for a machine to have 2 FQDNs? On the public Internet my router is 174-124-12-228.dyn.centurytel.net with IP 174.124.12.228. On my intranet it is caesar.dhh.gt.org with IP 192.168.1.1. On it hostname -f returns caesar.dhh.gt.org, but so what? That's just for internal use, and nothing running on it cares. My Raspberry Pi is raspberry.dhh.gt.org with IP 192.168.1.101 on my intranet but on the Pi hostname -f returns raspberrypi while domainname returns (none) as I have never bothered to configure its FQDN. Doesn't matter. Works fine: my local DNS knows that raspberry.dhh.gt.org means 192.168.1.101. Your FQDN is what the relevant DNS says it is. It isn't something you set locally, though you may want to record it locally for the convenience of programs such as MTAs that want to know. You may want to tell different programs different lies, though. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87bohpi92b@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: alsa-base breaks linux-sound-base
The Wanderer writes: Thus, the newest packages are always in sid. (Or, in some cases, possibly in experimental; I've never quite gotten the exact function of experimental figured out.) The function of Experimental is experimentation. Packages uploaded to it stay there until removed or superseded. There is no automatic migration from Experimental to anywhere. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/877gscid4w@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: ntpd crashes.
Someone who Stefan failed to identify wrote: ...ntpd crashes on my server. Time jumps forward one hour every time this has happened. I doubt ntpd is crashing. Most likely something else is jumping the system clock and ntpd is behaving as designed and exiting when it sees a one hour error. Shut down ntpd, set the clock correctly, and wait. I suspect that eventually you'll see the clock jump even without ntpd running. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87627868vb@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: privoxy kinda slowish
Lou writes: If I run privoxy with filtering disabled in the webinterface it still feels a lot slower compared to surfing without a proxy at all. I run Privoxy with filtering enabled and don't notice any slowness at all. What does feels a lot slower mean? Can you measure any differences? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87haqo4if9@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Installation
Celejar writes: You, the end user, are granted by the OEM (in accordance with a right Microsoft has granted *it*) the right to use the software, but not to resell it (except as part of the sale of the entire computer). You, the owner of a copy of the software, have the right to sell it through the operation of copyright law. You can sell the entire computer, just the hard disk, or even just the part of the hard disk that constitutes the copy if you can figure out how to do that. Licenses are not involved. What you do not have is the right to make and transfer to others additional copies of the software unless such a right has been granted to you in a contract between you and the copyright owner. A copy is a _thing_: a tangible object. A license is a grant of rights, generally part of a contract. It is intangible. You do not need a license to own a copy or to sell a copy you own. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/878vc04cru@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Installation
Celejar writes: ...my point is that even if you sell the hard drive, or any other physical object containing the copy of the software that you own, the purchaser will still not have the legal right to actually use that software, insofar as your license doesn't grant you the right to transfer the right to use the software in the manner that you are trying to transfer it. Am I wrong? Yes. First of all, under USA copyright law a copy is a tangible thing. Thus your copy _is_ the physical object containing the copy of the software. Second, the creation of copies is the exclusive right[1] of the copyright owner but once made copies are ordinary tangible property outside the purview of copyright law. Once they have left the ownership of the copyright owner they can be bought, sold, traded, given away, etc without his permission. They are just things. Third, USA copyright law explicitly permits the legal owner of a copy of a piece of software to make whatever copies are necessary in order to use it: thus you are not infringing the copyright by copying it into RAM, etc. You do not need the copyright owner's permission to sell or buy a copy of a piece of software or to use one that you own. You do need the copyright owner's permission to create additional copies[1]. Destroying the original after creating a copy doesn't make it ok. Of course, as a condition of sale of a copy of the software the copyright owner can require you to agree to all sorts of wonky conditions, but that's a civil matter between you and him. It has nothing to do with copyright law and is not binding on anyone you sell the copy to. His only recourse is to sue you for breach of contract should you violate the conditions. [1] There are exceptions: you may make fair use copies without permission, for example. You can also make ephemeral copies and, under some circumstances, backup copies. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87zk4g2l5e@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Installation
lee writes: I've bought something, so I can sell it. I haven't signed any contract whatsoever that says that I can't sell it. That's all there is to it. That is the law here in the USA as well, though Microsoft et al. seem to have convinced some that it isn't. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ipb22t4e@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Installation
lee writes: You are talking about some law that involves copies without explaining what a copy is. Under USA copyright law a copy is a tangible object which embodies a work (an intangible). Subject to some limitations, the creation of copies is the exclusive right of the owner of the copyright (an intangible right) in the work. Copyright law gives the owner of the copyright in a work no control over the disposition of copies once they have been created: they are ordinary chattel property just like apples or hammers. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ehlq2sqw@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Installation
The Wanderer writes: The only potential angle I can see is the fact that, in the case of software, you actually do have to copy it (at least into RAM) to be able to use it. I personally think that that's a flaw in the design of copyright law USA copyright law explicitly grants that right. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/117 -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87a9we2nqt@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Library Problem
Stephen P. Molnar writes: The error message that I get for a number of applications... Which applications, exactly? ...most recently Opera... What does Opera technical support say? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/878vbx0wb1@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Using wget to fill in a form
Hendrik Boom writes: It's more modern, and its classification guides are legitimately available for free download. What about LCC is not in the public domain? http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/lcco/ -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r4plyc9b@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: wanted: Debian Cloud hosting provider suggestions
John Foster writes: What I need from this list is suggestions from those of you who are currently using, and satisfied with different hosting providers. I do want them in the US and that is a requirement. I'm happy with Gandi. They now have US facilities. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/874nmahz3o@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Permissions Problem
Mark Neidorff wrote: You are trying to install a RedHat Enterprise Linux package on Debian. This can be a problem if the user numbers that Debian and Redhat either conflict or if RedHat makes different assumptions about user numbers than Debian does. Can you get a Debian package for ecce? http://ecce.emsl.pnl.gov/ The fact that that the installer is a csh script is a bad sign (as is the fact that there is an installer at all). If possible get the bare rpm package and install it with alien. I'd suggest building from source but I suspect that the build system is a nightmare (and probably also a csh script, but I repeat myself). -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87sj9frdw5@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Reason to NOT install from online repositories
Stan Hoeppner writes: You must be using a totally free dialup service for daily internet access. In many/most US locales dial is as expensive, if not more expensive, than aDSL or cable... In many it is much cheaper (here, for example). In some broadband is not available at all. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87lif7r800@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time
Paul E Condon writes: Ideas? Run cronyc and post the results of the tracking and sources commands. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87hapvqghj@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time
Paul E Condon writes: Now I am running NTP. Does Ntp agree with your wall clock? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87d30ir746@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: A puzzle with internet time and NIST time
I just tried name1.glorb.com. It is distributing correct time and your machine is synchronizing properly to it. Your wall clock is broken. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/878vb6qrcp@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Wally Lepore
Chris Bannister writes: Last I looked, Gnus was a newsreader... You didn't look very closely. Gnus works quite well for both news and email and offers all the advantages of a newsreader such as groups, killfiles, scoring, and threading. It is intended to be used for both. ...and requires emacs to be installed. So what? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ipa6oyng@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Wally Lepore
I used emacs back when it was written in TECO and have used a few flavors since. So have I, but I also use the current version. Hint: it has _menus_. I'd *never* advise a new user to use emacs. I would. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ehkuowwz@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Wally Lepore
OK, Should I have said Last I looked, Gnus was a newsreader but if you jump through a few hoops and get used to a different paradigm it can be used as an MUA. No more need to jump through hoops than with any other MUA. If you know, and enjoy LISP then configuring it will be an enjoyable experience.? No need for any elisp. All configuration can be done via menus. A newcomer to Linux who is advised to use Gnus, should at least be warned that they will be installing emacs. Installing Thunderbird pulls in libraries that are larger than Emacs. On the other hand, a lot of developers/users swear by the vim+mutt route. I use Emacs and Gnus, my wife uses Vi and Mutt. We're still married. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/876265q1si@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: please put not all into multiarch!
Lisi writes: A bug report can, I believe, be a request for something that is not there. Yes. It's called a wishlist bug and it is one of the choices offered by reportbug. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/871ugtoz1f@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Installing Debian on Windows 7 machine?
Marc writes: Any suggestions as to the best/easiest /safest way to go about this? Get the AMD64 netinst CD, put in the drive, boot the machine, and follow directions. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87wqylne1c@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Installing Debian on Windows 7 machine?
Hugo writes: I wouldn't bother buying a complete system. I built my own. I build my own systems too, when I don't recycle $10 yard-sale boxes. However, he may need (or even want!) Windows, in which case a complete system may be significantly cheaper. On the other hand I've heard that the best way to run Windows is in a VM under Linux. Is there any way to migrate a pre-installed copy of Windows into a VM? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87sj98oog6@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: please put not all into multiarch!
Mark Allums wrote: Debian devs regard the nvidia closed source drivers anathems. They disdain them, and pay no heed to bug reports filed against them. They don't regard them as anathema. They regard them as Nvidia's problem. Which they are. I've used them in the past, and I certainly didn't expect the Debian kernel group to help me with them (and I certainly didn't get any help from Nvidia). They also ignore kernel bug reports if the nvidia driver is loaded. So does Linus, and for good reason. There is no way for anyone outside Nvidia to know what their closed-source drivers are doing. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87zk3dkmv3@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: please put not all into multiarch!
Mark Allums wrote: Debian devs regard the nvidia closed source drivers anathems. I wrote: They don't regard them as anathema. They certainly *do* regard them as anathema, as they do all closed-source and non-free software. False. I am a Debian dev. I do not regard closed-source as anathema. I do consider it the sole responsibility of whoever controls the source. I am not going to help you fix it even if I can figure out how without source (unless you pay me) if I cannot publish the fixed version. Ask the guy you bought it from. He clearly wants to be the only one able to fix it. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vce0lv8r@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: ls sorting order change
Dan B. wrote: What controls the order that the ls command uses for sorting names? LC_COLLATE. Set it to C. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87397jo8fc@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: what happened to spam filters of this list
-aft writes: So many spams are directed to this list. Any spam filter there? Yes. At least 99% of the mail that hits the servers is rejected as spam. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ipf9ltor@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: the ghost of UEFI and Micr0$0ft
Ralf writes: Fortunately there are laws against monopolies... No there aren't. There are laws against _abusing_ monopolies. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87zk8fjnhh@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: about installing lxde (which xserver)
Harry Putnam wrote: But unless squeeze is free of the horrible and fast march of updates one experiences on wheezy it may not be a goal after all. Why do you feel that you need to closely track Unstable? There is usually no urgent need to upgrade a package just because the maintainer uploaded a new version. Promptly installing security uploads and doing an occasional dist-upgrade when debian-devel indicates that there are no problems works fine. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87k3zc5uhh@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Fwd: the ghost of UEFI and Micr0$0ft
Harshad Joshi writes: Lot of PC/laptop/tablets in 2012 and beyond will have UEFI instead of good old bios. Bad old bios. Very bad. It was designed for 8080s and floppy disks. It was excellent for that environment but it has been obsolete for decades. Will Debian community fight against this evil step taken by computer makers? UEFI is not evil (though Coreboot is better), and there is a lot more to it than the signing stuff. Even the latter is not intrinsically evil: it all depends on the implementation. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/871ul78jky@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?
Gary Dale writes: Running pure sid like he seems to be is just nuts. I've been running pure Sid since it was invented. Works fine. Of course it would be silly to run Sid and do daily updates. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87wr2z733f@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?
Brian writes: I'm not too sure about daily or regular updates being silly as opposed to unnecessary... Daily and/or automatic updates when running Sid are silly because sooner or later they will get you in trouble. How do you deal with security updates? Subscribe to the relevant mailing list, I suppose. When running Sid you must read both debian-devel and debian-security. -devel will warn you about breakages and transitions so that you will know when and when not to upgrade. -security is obvious. -- John Hasler How do you deal with security updates? Subscribe to the relevant mailing list, I suppose. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87pq8r6xwx@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?
I wrote: Daily and/or automatic updates when running Sid are silly because sooner or later they will get you in trouble. Brian writes: And leaving the updating for an extended period won't? Did I say you should? -devel warns you about transitions and similar events that mean that it would be best to wait a while before upgrading anything. It also warns you when you _should_ upgrade. I'm not too sure I'd always rely on -devel for security information. Which is why I said you should subscribe to -security. But then, you should anyway. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87lijf6phc@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Re: the ghost of UEFI and Micr0$0ft
Lisi writes: I am just sorry that they have changed it at all. Ubuntu now has 5 year support for its long term supported version. Such a pity that Debian is going the other way. Support beyond Stable is on a best effort basis. If enough people were willing to actually work on it I'm sure a long term support version would be welcome. Are you volunteering? You don't have to be a programmer to help with Debian. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ehp378fv@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: TLS encrypted source for Debian iso signing keys?
Rob writes: Basically you can use the debian-keyring package to obtain keys of many Debian developers. You can have a high level of trust that those keys are real because the package is signed and apt-get would notify you if the signature was not real. The iso you are downloading should be signed by someone in that keyring. The problem with this is that it lacks an out-of-band channel. A sufficiently dedicated m-i-t-m could nobble everything. Of course, if you downloaded your browser he could have nobbled the keys in it too, so TLS does you no good unless you got your keys via a channel you can be sure is not controlled by the m-i-t-m that causes you not to trust the Debian keyring... Perhaps you could pay Steve to burn a CDs for you and then have a bonded courier service pick it up and deliver it to you. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ehosr0hy@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Debian stable chromium does not open Facebook
Stephen Allen writes: That was what I thought the purpose of volatile was. It isn't. See http://www.debian.org/volatile/ . You want backports: http://backports-master.debian.org/ -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/878verp0ob@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: sc, i.e., spread sheet calculator using ncurses
Nick Lidakis writes: Does anyone use sc, the text based spreadsheet program? My wife uses it extensively in doing the bookkeeping for our business. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87394vq2cc@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: compiling a Debian package
Andrei POPESCU writes: Yes, but only if you can prove it is not due to a problem in your build environment. You could post console output here. apt-get build-dep should establish the required environment. Debian packages are built in controlled minimal environments that may be very different to yours. They are often built in whatever environment the developer happens to have on his machine. In any case any package that won't build when it's build dependencies are satisfied is buggy. Our users should be able to compile their own software following the instructions we give them. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87txteiwu2@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: compiling a Debian package
lee writes: is it a bug that should be reported when a source package doesn't compile? Yes. And how come that there is a binary package though it cannot be compiled? It compiled on the developer's machine and on the buildds. Most likely one or more of the dependencies is not sufficiently strict. I assume you mean cd dvbcut-0.5.4+svn178. The build fails here as well. File a FTBS bug. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87pq42ivir@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: compiling a Debian package
lee writes: Do you have packages from dmo installed? No. I have no need for them. I just compiled dvbcut to check out the bug. I've already deleted it. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87lieqijpc@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: compiling a Debian package
I wrote: apt-get build-dep should establish the required environment. Andrei writes: Assuming a pure Debian environment. As it turns out the OP does have foreign libraries installed. I don't. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87hapei7ln@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Advice on system purchase
Stan Hoeppner writes: No, I mean millions [of ARM cpus]. One billion chips per year would equal 1 for every 7 humans on the planet, and that's simply impossible. Over 3 billion people have never used an electronic device. That's almost half the Earth's population. Do the math. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture: In 2005 about 98% of the more than one billion mobile phones sold each year used at least one ARM processor. ... ARM licensed about 1.6 billion cores in 2005. In 2005, about 1 billion ARM cores went into mobile phones.[13] By January 2008, over 10 billion ARM cores had been built, and in 2008 iSuppli predicted that by 2011, 5 billion ARM cores will be shipping per year.[14] As of January 2011, ARM stated that over 15 billion ARM processors have shipped.[15] ...if you're an exec at ARM, would you consider such a push viable? Let alone profitable? No, you wouldn't. ARM doesn't manufacture anything. They license their designs and patents. A few of the licensees: Analog Devices, AppliedMicro, Atmel, Broadcom, Cirrus Logic, Energy Micro, Faraday Technology, Freescale, Fujitsu, Intel (through its settlement with Digital Equipment Corporation), IBM, Infineon Technologies, Marvell Technology Group, Nintendo, Nvidia, NXP Semiconductors, OKI, Qualcomm, Samsung, Sharp, STMicroelectronics, and Texas Instruments There are many more. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87hapcgllt@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Advice on system purchase
Stan Hoeppner writes: At this point in time, and in the foreseeable, the only way to crack into the desktop market is with a new x86 chip that has sufficiently compelling advantages over both Intel and AMD. And since one must have a license from Intel to do so, that ain't gonna happen. There is no intellectual property protection for instruction sets. If there was you can be sure that Amdahl would never have shipped a single computer. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87d300glfh@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: compiling a Debian package
Darac Marjal writes: libdvdcss2 brute forces the decryption on the disk and, so, might be considered circumvention under the DMCA. This IS allowed in some cases... It is legal to use it to access a DVD you own in the USA as long as you make no infringing copies. The problem is that the CCA contends that the primary purpose of libdvdcss2 is circumvention and so, they contend, distributing it is illegal. If it can be established that its primary purpose in not copyright infringement it will be legal. That has not yet been done so Debian cannot risk distributing it. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87wqy6g4yo@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: compiling a Debian package
lee writes: It is not illegal to use NVIDIA drivers, yet they are deprecated, without alternative. It is probably not illegal to use firmware to get hardware working that doesn't work without, yet firmware is deprecated, without alternative. The obsession with free software unfortunately leads to dead ends. You clearly do not want to use Debian. Free Software is what Debian is about. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87sj8ufxqf@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: compiling a Debian package
Lisi writes: And it does rather sound as though he might be better off with Windows. But at whom would he moan in that case? Microsoft, of course, with the advantage that there would be no danger that they would fix the problems that he moaned about. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87objifudn@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Trojan Detected by Kaspersky in One Debian DVD
http://packages.debian.org/sid/nepenthes -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87fw4uf5e9@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: C Compiler
Samuel Morgan writes: Where do I get a C Compiler built for DEBIAN Squeeze so I can build other packages? As others have said, install the build-essentials package. It contains the GNU C compiler and other things you need to packages. First, though, tell us what it is that you want to build. It may already be available from the Debian archive, which contains about 30,000 Free Software packages. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87fw4d9gp2@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed
Richard Owlett writes: I suspect I'm looking more for a display manager than a desktop environment. You don't mean a display manager: that's GDM, XDM, etc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_manager. You mean a window manager such as FVWM, etc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager. I'm beginning to think the line between them can at times be blurry. Display managers, and particularly window managers and desktop environments http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment are often confounded. A window manager is a component of a desktop environment. Decent desktop environments allow you to use the window manager of your choice. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87fw412gfv@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed
Nate writes: Some things seem to fail with 'sudo'. Sudo applies only to the single command that follows it. Thus if you type 'sudo' followed by a pipeline, for example, you may not get the result you expect. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/874nkf3nv5@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: UserIDs and setups for developers
No need to create a user. /etc/aliases is what you want. man etc-aliases -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87mwy61lmh@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: time zone and UTC issue [rant]
Ralf Mardorf writes: That's not true, after running ntpdate everything is ok. Except for anything that happened before ntpdate ran, such as writing logs. And if ntpdate never runs because it can't reach a server you're an hour off. There are also services that become quite distressed if the clock jumps back an hour. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87624pxfds@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: WiFi / Hot-Spot Open Source World
Shiv. Nath writes: I work with ISP offering service for hotspots and cafe clubs. ... i wish to seek advice form experts. http://www.debian.org/consultants/ -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87y5h5ua9b@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [OT] Good quality hair dryer needed for Squeeze
Mark writes: Any ideas guys? You may find that pressing down or prying up on that part of the board works as well as does the dryer. Inspect the suspicious area of the MOBO carefully with a magnifying glass and then fix the crack or bad solder joint. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87txrttrpy@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Yast for debian
Kelly writes: I am not sure of the full extent of YAST, but besides installation/removal of software, it does at least account management, service management/configuration (DNS, mail, etc) and firewall configuration. That should not be all in one program. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87zk1cvbkm@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Yast for debian
--Dave writes: I have to find myself asking the question, Why on Earth would the maintainers not keep such a valuable package available? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;dist=unstable;package=webmin -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vcc0v60e@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: OT: Captchas?
Ralf writes: In real life [captchas are] most of the times are completely unreadable for me. I often find them insoluble as well. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vcbxttk4@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: OT: Captchas?
Ralf writes: And as already mentioned before, people using braille are completely lost. Some sites offer audio captchas as an alternative. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r4mku2mc@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Captchas?
Brad Alexander writes: I also ran into this problem recently on badgerandblade.com, and had to register using midori, because iceweasel would not display the captcha. Works here with Iceweasel 10.0.11 on Sid. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ip7wtfv3@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Captchas?
Brad writes: I'm running 17 from experimental. I just upgraded to 17: still works. I did have to allow scripts from Google to get the CAPTCHA to appear. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ehiktbov@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: OT: Captchas?
AC writes: Captchas can be thought of as an attempt to perform the Turing test. Experience suggests that either computers can pass it and/or humans fail. Computers fail about 9 times out of ten. Unfortunately 10% success is good enough for the spammers while humans often give up after two or three failures. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/877gobtu59@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Captchas?
Brad writes: I'm running 17 from experimental. I wrote: I just upgraded to 17: still works. I did have to allow scripts from Google to get the CAPTCHA to appear. Chris writes: But not google analytics I presume, hopefully. I just temporarily allowed all of Google (which I normally block). It's a RECAPTCHA so presumeably they are using Google APIs. I block all scripts, all cookies, all referrers, and all trackers from everywhere and then selectively (and temporarily) allow a few. Note that most of the privacy plugins and extensions whitelist things like Google and Facebook by default. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/8738yztsvc@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Are all files produced by GPL Ghostscript copyrighted by 'Artifex Software, Inc.'?
Claudius writes: Furthermore note that even though Artifex Software holds the copyright to parts of this file, it may well allow you to do whatever you want with your files. It does. You just can't prevent anyone from making copies of the prolog (oversimplified). The copyright on the rest of the file is yours to do with as you see fit. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87pq22rubs@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Are all files produced by GPL Ghostscript copyrighted by 'Artifex Software, Inc.'?
Vaibhav Niku writes: And 'Artifax Software, Inc' grants me the rights as set out in the GPL. GPL allows me to make any modifications I see fit, and _use_ the resulting software. I may choose to remove the lines which insert the copyright notice in all PS files. Use, yes. However, if you distribute the software you must comply with the GPL. As part of the software the prolog is licensed to you under the GPL and so you must comply with the GPL when distributing files containing it. Note that this applies only to the prolog, not the rest of the file. On the other hand, the prolog may not be protected by copyright at all. If so, you may do with it as you will regardless of the license terms. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ehihsf37@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Some applications freezing up
berenger.morel writes: I really would like to understand why people think it is a problem to do softwares able to run on lower hardware... if someone have any clue, I really want to know it! Because they aren't very good programmers. And that's a problem, because there is more programming to do than there are good programmers to do it. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87a9t5sdcc@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: iptables; some IPs are getting through netmasks
Do you have an iptables rule somewhere that is allowing smtp? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87623ssc9u@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Freeze accounts
Lisi Reisz wrote: The OP is trying to lock a large batch of students (I think 3 or 4 figures) out for the duration of the vacation. Two students have to be left with access. But to lock each of the others out individually would be a big deal, and the OP is looking for a method that would enable him to lock them out as a bunch. They all belong to the same group, including the two who still have to have access. Write a trivial script to use chsh to change every group member's shell to nologin and then change the two special ones back by hand or provide a skip file. A clever script would save each user's current shell to a file so that another similar script (or the same script called with different options) could read from the file and change it back. You may also want to log out all of the to-be-locked-out users and kill all their processes. man pkill, apt-cache show slay. A single fairly simple script can do all of this. It's the sort of thing that Unix admins were expected to know how to write. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87pq1zq6ax@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Freeze accounts
Tom H writes: Sure, that works, too - however, you'll have to edit /etc/shells to include /bin/false and/or /usr/sbin/nologin, 'cause those aren't valid login shells by default. That restriction does not apply to root. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87licmqmd7@thumper.dhh.gt.org
