Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
Previously Jason Gunthorpe wrote: I seem to recall one of the Joey's was the original creator of the channel. Early inhabitors included igor, che_fox and a few others iirc. Wichert. -- _ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D |
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
Previously Branden Robinson wrote: So the people who asked me to leave #debian-devel when I wasn't yet a developer somehow had a premonition of how much of a pain in the ass I would become? :) Yes. We failed in stopping you though :) Wichert. -- _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 05:14:23PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: In fact there was one rather controversial regular at the time who'd been rejected as a maintainer. Who was that? Maybe it will help jog my memory. Kysh. Elmo, on the other hand, isn't quite as forgettable. -- http://www.tsumakin.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
Previously Branden Robinson wrote: So the people who asked me to leave #debian-devel when I wasn't yet a developer somehow had a premonition of how much of a pain in the ass I would become? :) Yes. We failed in stopping you though :) Wichert. -- _ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D |
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 05:14:23PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: In fact there was one rather controversial regular at the time who'd been rejected as a maintainer. Who was that? Maybe it will help jog my memory. Kysh. Elmo, on the other hand, isn't quite as forgettable. -- http://www.tsumakin.net/
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 12:22:15AM +1100, Edward C. Lang wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 05:14:23PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: In fact there was one rather controversial regular at the time who'd been rejected as a maintainer. Who was that? Maybe it will help jog my memory. Kysh. Elmo, on the other hand, isn't quite as forgettable. Indeed. I remember Kysh, too. FWIW, I was not allowed on the #debian-devel channel until I was a developer either. I think it depended whom one spoke to about it. Note that I didn't know enough about IRC to know that I could simply '/join #debian-devel' anyhow ;-) I assumed, at the time, it was protected somehow. This would have been 1997 or 8. Jules
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 02:00:32PM +, Jules Bean wrote: FWIW, I was not allowed on the #debian-devel channel until I was a developer either. I think it depended whom one spoke to about it. I strongly suspect you're right about that. -- G. Branden Robinson| Suffer before God and ye shall be Debian GNU/Linux | redeemed. God loves us, so He [EMAIL PROTECTED] | makes us suffer Christianity. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Aaron Dunsmore pgpLGUN3dvsWS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 02:58:05PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: * #debian-devel has always been a channel for Debian development. It never was a channel restricted to just Debian developers This simply is not true, as I've said over and over again elsewhere. Ask the people who were there years ago, before you went by the nick wiggy. I have no particular objection to the rest of your mail. -- G. Branden Robinson| One man's magic is another man's Debian GNU/Linux | engineering. Supernatural is a [EMAIL PROTECTED] | null word. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Robert Heinlein msg01248/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
Dans un message du 14 Nov à 10:23, Raphael Hertzog écrivait : I've decided to withdraw the general resolution proposed 2 weeks ago about IRC as communication channel. I hereby withdraw my support to the GR. -- Guillaume Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux is user friendly. Linux is not idiot friendly If you don't understand that, use Windows msg01250/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In a email (message ID [EMAIL PROTECTED]), Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] withdrew his general resolution proposal. However, this GR was co-sponsored by six other developers, and I would like to hear from them what their intentions are. I would appreciate it if the sponsors would reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a signed message indicating whether they are in agreement with withdrawing the support, or whether one or more of them would like to become the primary sponsor of the GR and carry on the process. I think we are in uncharted territory here, but my reading of the constitution suggests that sponsors of a GR have responsibilities, and with those come some rights, including one of carrying on with a GR when one of their number changes their minds, even if he were the original proposer. I am in agreement with withdrawing the resolution. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard http://www.gnupg.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAjvyuyQACgkQO/YJxouvzb3hCQCdH99LNFn5OikV0qlVm3DqbwcV XJkAnju26qJuRyIa0/I0tAnCt/PumD6R =7NVh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 12:15:07PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I would appreciate it if the sponsors would reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a signed message indicating whether they are in agreement with withdrawing the support, or whether one or more of them would like to become the primary sponsor of the GR and carry on the process. I agree with your interpretation that sponsors have responsibilities and rights. Thank you for asking. =) I hereby agree to the withdrawal of the GR. -- michael d. ivey[McQ] : The surest way to make a monkey of [EMAIL PROTECTED] :a man is to quote him. http://gweezlebur.com/~ivey/ : -- Robert Benchley encrypted email preferred : msg01253/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 12:15:07PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: In a email (message ID [EMAIL PROTECTED]), Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] withdrew his general resolution proposal. However, this GR was co-sponsored by six other developers, and I would like to hear from them what their intentions are. Last I herd, Gergely Nagy's second was not properly signed, or failed to authenticate. Was this issue ever rectified? If so, it is possible the GR doesn't have the requisite seconds anyway. (You raised the point, but the only followups were on other matters and AFAICT the issue was never raised again.) -- G. Branden Robinson| There's nothing an agnostic can't Debian GNU/Linux | do if he doesn't know whether he [EMAIL PROTECTED] | believes in it or not. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Graham Chapman msg01254/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Branden Robinson wrote: * #debian-devel has always been a channel for Debian development. It never was a channel restricted to just Debian developers This simply is not true, as I've said over and over again elsewhere. Ask the people who were there years ago, before you went by the nick wiggy. I also remember it as Wichert describes, and I've been around since #debian was on a non-opn network. I seem to recall one of the Joey's was the original creator of the channel. Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 09:13:14PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: I also remember it as Wichert describes, and I've been around since #debian was on a non-opn network. So the people who asked me to leave #debian-devel when I wasn't yet a developer somehow had a premonition of how much of a pain in the ass I would become? :) -- G. Branden Robinson| The noble soul has reverence for Debian GNU/Linux | itself. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Friedrich Nietzsche http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | msg01256/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 10:49:02AM -0800, Chris Waters wrote: I am one of those people who was there when wiggy was wichert, and I was told at the time that #dd was *not* restricted to developers. Who told you that? I was told in ~January 1996 that only developers were allowed. When I became one (about that same time), I was allowed in without fuss. For the first few weeks of my existence on OPN, as I recall, I went by branden. Now, who remembers THAT? :) In fact there was one rather controversial regular at the time who'd been rejected as a maintainer. Who was that? Maybe it will help jog my memory. -- G. Branden Robinson| Reality is what refuses to go away Debian GNU/Linux | when I stop believing in it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Philip K. Dick http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | msg01264/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi, Now that the original proposer and 4 of the sponsors of this GR have sent in statements supporting the withdrawal of this proposal, this GR is now defunct. manoj - -- Perhaps the best thing about the future is that it only comes one day at a time. Dean Acheson Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by: Debian GNU/Linux - Emacs - Gnus - Mailcrypt iD8DBQE78u92Ibrau78kQkwRAb9jAJ0YMoHIz4wVQBNuNr5SZ8zY0A9UDACgxPE/ uYuLwt04azIZu7+m3M8ecI8= =iADm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 11:44:30PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Branden Robinson wrote: This simply is not true, as I've said over and over again elsewhere. Ask the people who were there years ago, before you went by the nick wiggy. I was there when the channel was created actually (ok, maybe 1 or 2 days later). And when do you assert that was? Furthermore, if you only showed up in the channel 1 or 2 days after its creation, you cannot have been its de facto founder (whom chanserv regards as Founder can be changed, and has been given the number of IRC daemon and services software upgrades OPN has seen in the past few years, about half of which have occurred it the past week, it seems). The channel predated my developership by some weeks (IIRC, my account was created on 14 January 1998), and at that time it was developer-only. Furthermore, I recall you going by wichert for some time, not adopting the wiggy nick until after you were elected DPL. -- G. Branden Robinson| What influenced me to atheism was Debian GNU/Linux | reading the Bible cover to cover. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Twice. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- J. Michael Straczynski msg01268/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
Previously Raphael Hertzog wrote: Because the most concerned people (Wichert as #debian-devel's channel founder and Branden as an operator) didn't want to participate in the discussion, not even respond to simple questions that would have let us continue the work. Fact is that the last 2 weeks I've been busy with getting started at a new job and have only being doing the really necessary things outside of that. * OpenProjects is not a Debian resource, and I do not think Debian can claim to own a part of it * #debian-devel was created because #debian became too busy with non development related discussions, not because people wanted to a place for private discussions. * #debian-devel has always been a channel for Debian development. It never was a channel restricted to just Debian developers * having non-developers on #debian-devel has been a positive influence: + apsiring developers and others participate in good technical discussions + it is a very useful place to discuss topics that are broader then just debian. For example security problems, LSB topics, etc. * closing #debian-devel to just developers will not have a positive effect: + a number developers of will leave the channel + it will create an image that Debian is a closed organisation, something which we are already suffering from to some degree unfortunately + keeping a channel closed is a lot of work that will just consume valuable time + there has already been a #debian-private channel for a while so I do not see the need to make #debian-devel a copy of that I think we just need a simple etiquette for #debian-devel: * it is a channel for Debian developers, general users questions should be on #debian * keep in mind irc discussions are much like discussions on any public place, so don't talk about things you don't want others to know * #debian-devel is not a helpdesk. We don't mind helping with development issues, but do realize nobody is obliged to answer any questions. * try not to be offensive to people. A bad image is quickly created, but very hard to get rid off. * non-Debian developers we welcome as well, as long as they realize the topic is Debian development Wichert. -- _ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D |
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 02:58:05PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: * #debian-devel has always been a channel for Debian development. It never was a channel restricted to just Debian developers This simply is not true, as I've said over and over again elsewhere. Ask the people who were there years ago, before you went by the nick wiggy. I have no particular objection to the rest of your mail. -- G. Branden Robinson| One man's magic is another man's Debian GNU/Linux | engineering. Supernatural is a [EMAIL PROTECTED] | null word. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Robert Heinlein pgpsxczwaQV1g.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
Dans un message du 14 Nov à 10:23, Raphael Hertzog écrivait : I've decided to withdraw the general resolution proposed 2 weeks ago about IRC as communication channel. I hereby withdraw my support to the GR. -- Guillaume Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux is user friendly. Linux is not idiot friendly If you don't understand that, use Windows pgpZ3hr3xzvD4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In a email (message ID [EMAIL PROTECTED]), Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] withdrew his general resolution proposal. However, this GR was co-sponsored by six other developers, and I would like to hear from them what their intentions are. I would appreciate it if the sponsors would reply to debian-vote@lists.debian.org with a signed message indicating whether they are in agreement with withdrawing the support, or whether one or more of them would like to become the primary sponsor of the GR and carry on the process. I think we are in uncharted territory here, but my reading of the constitution suggests that sponsors of a GR have responsibilities, and with those come some rights, including one of carrying on with a GR when one of their number changes their minds, even if he were the original proposer. I am in agreement with withdrawing the resolution. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard http://www.gnupg.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAjvyuyQACgkQO/YJxouvzb3hCQCdH99LNFn5OikV0qlVm3DqbwcV XJkAnju26qJuRyIa0/I0tAnCt/PumD6R =7NVh -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 12:40:07PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: This simply is not true, as I've said over and over again elsewhere. Ask the people who were there years ago, before you went by the nick wiggy. I am one of those people who was there when wiggy was wichert, and I was told at the time that #dd was *not* restricted to developers. In fact there was one rather controversial regular at the time who'd been rejected as a maintainer. -- Chris Waters | Pneumonoultra-osis is too long [EMAIL PROTECTED] | microscopicsilico-to fit into a single or [EMAIL PROTECTED] | volcaniconi- standalone haiku
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 12:15:07PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I would appreciate it if the sponsors would reply to debian-vote@lists.debian.org with a signed message indicating whether they are in agreement with withdrawing the support, or whether one or more of them would like to become the primary sponsor of the GR and carry on the process. I agree with your interpretation that sponsors have responsibilities and rights. Thank you for asking. =) I hereby agree to the withdrawal of the GR. -- michael d. ivey[McQ] : The surest way to make a monkey of [EMAIL PROTECTED] :a man is to quote him. http://gweezlebur.com/~ivey/ : -- Robert Benchley encrypted email preferred : pgp19UkpyE1fP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 10:49:02AM -0800, Chris Waters wrote: I am one of those people who was there when wiggy was wichert, and I was told at the time that #dd was *not* restricted to developers. Who told you that? I was told in ~January 1996 that only developers were allowed. When I became one (about that same time), I was allowed in without fuss. For the first few weeks of my existence on OPN, as I recall, I went by branden. Now, who remembers THAT? :) In fact there was one rather controversial regular at the time who'd been rejected as a maintainer. Who was that? Maybe it will help jog my memory. -- G. Branden Robinson| Reality is what refuses to go away Debian GNU/Linux | when I stop believing in it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Philip K. Dick http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpcpYaBeojE1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 12:15:07PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: In a email (message ID [EMAIL PROTECTED]), Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] withdrew his general resolution proposal. However, this GR was co-sponsored by six other developers, and I would like to hear from them what their intentions are. Last I herd, Gergely Nagy's second was not properly signed, or failed to authenticate. Was this issue ever rectified? If so, it is possible the GR doesn't have the requisite seconds anyway. (You raised the point, but the only followups were on other matters and AFAICT the issue was never raised again.) -- G. Branden Robinson| There's nothing an agnostic can't Debian GNU/Linux | do if he doesn't know whether he [EMAIL PROTECTED] | believes in it or not. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Graham Chapman pgpVt5tQOfFQG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi, Now that the original proposer and 4 of the sponsors of this GR have sent in statements supporting the withdrawal of this proposal, this GR is now defunct. manoj - -- Perhaps the best thing about the future is that it only comes one day at a time. Dean Acheson Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by: Debian GNU/Linux - Emacs - Gnus - Mailcrypt iD8DBQE78u92Ibrau78kQkwRAb9jAJ0YMoHIz4wVQBNuNr5SZ8zY0A9UDACgxPE/ uYuLwt04azIZu7+m3M8ecI8= =iADm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
Previously Branden Robinson wrote: This simply is not true, as I've said over and over again elsewhere. Ask the people who were there years ago, before you went by the nick wiggy. I was there when the channel was created actually (ok, maybe 1 or 2 days later). Wichert. -- _ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D |
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 05:14:23PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Who told you that? I was told in ~January 1996 that only developers s/1996/1998/ Sorry about that. were allowed. When I became one (about that same time), I was allowed in without fuss. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | Bother, said Pooh, as he was [EMAIL PROTECTED] | assimilated by the Borg. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpoAr5rklOrP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 11:44:30PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Branden Robinson wrote: This simply is not true, as I've said over and over again elsewhere. Ask the people who were there years ago, before you went by the nick wiggy. I was there when the channel was created actually (ok, maybe 1 or 2 days later). And when do you assert that was? Furthermore, if you only showed up in the channel 1 or 2 days after its creation, you cannot have been its de facto founder (whom chanserv regards as Founder can be changed, and has been given the number of IRC daemon and services software upgrades OPN has seen in the past few years, about half of which have occurred it the past week, it seems). The channel predated my developership by some weeks (IIRC, my account was created on 14 January 1998), and at that time it was developer-only. Furthermore, I recall you going by wichert for some time, not adopting the wiggy nick until after you were elected DPL. -- G. Branden Robinson| What influenced me to atheism was Debian GNU/Linux | reading the Bible cover to cover. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Twice. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- J. Michael Straczynski pgpwkYhnxTjwr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Branden Robinson wrote: * #debian-devel has always been a channel for Debian development. It never was a channel restricted to just Debian developers This simply is not true, as I've said over and over again elsewhere. Ask the people who were there years ago, before you went by the nick wiggy. I also remember it as Wichert describes, and I've been around since #debian was on a non-opn network. I seem to recall one of the Joey's was the original creator of the channel. Jason
Re: Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC
On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 09:13:14PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: I also remember it as Wichert describes, and I've been around since #debian was on a non-opn network. So the people who asked me to leave #debian-devel when I wasn't yet a developer somehow had a premonition of how much of a pain in the ass I would become? :) -- G. Branden Robinson| The noble soul has reverence for Debian GNU/Linux | itself. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Friedrich Nietzsche http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpcvegZo90hE.pgp Description: PGP signature
