Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what?
Last June I posted a question and got some great replies. Being preoccupied with work that actually pays me money, I haven’t done anything yet, but the time is getting close. My question now is: what OS? Our old Imail 2006 runs on Win Server 2000. Would SmarterMail run on Win 7 Pro? Would it run on a 64-bit version and would there be any point in using the 64-bit version? I ask because I’ve actually got a spare system sitting around with just that and it has 4 GB of RAM. I’d like to take advantage of all that ram. Thanks in advance, Ben From: IMail Admin Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:28 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what? Thanks, that helped. From: Todd Richards Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 6:18 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what? Hey Ben – If you haven’t already, you can download a trial of SmarterMail to give you a hands on feel for how the interface works, from the system administrator to a domain administrator to an end user. I can’t speak to the latest version of SmarterMail as we are still running 6.9xx (we have a current subscription but never felt the need yet to upgrade – probably will soon), nor can I offer a good comparison, since we were still on IMail 8.2x when we made the change. There were three main reasons we made the switch: cost, a much improved web interface from our IMail 8.2x version, and the massive number of positive recommendations about switching to SM. Like the others, we have never looked back. We too were on the unlimited version of IMail, but are on a 1000 user version of SmarterMail. That has proved plenty for us at this point. The nice thing is, if we need more then we add them on. We are heavy users of the Mailing Lists in SmarterMail. I like the fact that we can manage subscribers separate from lists. Our main domain (the one that I am on) currently has almost 70 mailing lists. It’s great that, via the web interface, we can add a single subscriber to multiple lists. We can also go into the individual lists and manage subscribers as well. You can add your own custom fields to the subscriber screens if you want to track Name, City, Company Name, etc. It also has the ability to remove a user from the lists if they have a certain number of bounces. While that feature was nice, we actually increased it (maybe even turned it off – can’t remember for sure without going and looking) because it would remove someone and nobody ever knew about it. There were requests about maybe alerting the administrator of such a change, or disabling a user versus removing them, etc. I’m just not sure whether that part has been upgraded. Again, we are on SmarterMail 6.9 but I don’t think the rest of it has changed that much. The one thing that I didn’t like about the mailing lists is that we had an ASP page with all of the options that people could subscribe to. At the end, when they hit submit, it would fire off an email to IMail and subscribe (or unsubscribe) them from all of their choices in one swoop. SmarterMail didn’t handle things that way, and would simply make the change for the first option but ignore the rest of them. We weren’t aware of that at first and had people think they were making changes but they really weren’t. SmarterMail does offer the ability to tie web pages to the mail server using SOAP, etc. But I don’t know it and haven’t had the time to make the changeover. Todd From: Imail Admin [mailto:imailad...@bcwebhost.net] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 6:12 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what? I guess my three areas on concern would be how IM and SM compare in their web mail interface, how they compare in administration, and how they compare in list server. We make pretty modest use of the IM list server (which is pretty primitive), but I would hate to give it up altogether. Thanks for any comments, Ben - Original Message - From: Heimir Eidskrem To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what? We dumped Imail after being with them since version 4 I think. Moved to Smartermail and never looked back. Our customers really like SM and we have nothing but positive feedback. the transition was easy with the migration tools from SM. I would do it again with no hesitation. On 6/1/2011 9:09 PM, Imail Admin wrote: I've been musing over whether it's time to upgrade or replace my mail system. I've got IMail (unlimited users) v 2006.23 on an old server runing Win2k Advanced Server with Declude v.?? (not current, whatever it is). On the one hand, I only have a small number of domains and mail boxes any more and on the other hand, my old server is looking pretty long in the tooth
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what?
Last June I posted a question and got some great replies. Being preoccupied with work that actually pays me money, I haven’t done anything yet, but the time is getting close. My question now is: what OS? Our old Imail 2006 runs on Win Server 2000. Would SmarterMail run on Win 7 Pro? Would it run on a 64-bit version and would there be any point in using the 64-bit version? I ask because I’ve actually got a spare system sitting around with just that and it has 4 GB of RAM. I’d like to take advantage of all that ram. Thanks in advance, Ben From: IMail Admin Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:28 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what? Thanks, that helped. From: Todd Richards Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 6:18 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what? Hey Ben – If you haven’t already, you can download a trial of SmarterMail to give you a hands on feel for how the interface works, from the system administrator to a domain administrator to an end user. I can’t speak to the latest version of SmarterMail as we are still running 6.9xx (we have a current subscription but never felt the need yet to upgrade – probably will soon), nor can I offer a good comparison, since we were still on IMail 8.2x when we made the change. There were three main reasons we made the switch: cost, a much improved web interface from our IMail 8.2x version, and the massive number of positive recommendations about switching to SM. Like the others, we have never looked back. We too were on the unlimited version of IMail, but are on a 1000 user version of SmarterMail. That has proved plenty for us at this point. The nice thing is, if we need more then we add them on. We are heavy users of the Mailing Lists in SmarterMail. I like the fact that we can manage subscribers separate from lists. Our main domain (the one that I am on) currently has almost 70 mailing lists. It’s great that, via the web interface, we can add a single subscriber to multiple lists. We can also go into the individual lists and manage subscribers as well. You can add your own custom fields to the subscriber screens if you want to track Name, City, Company Name, etc. It also has the ability to remove a user from the lists if they have a certain number of bounces. While that feature was nice, we actually increased it (maybe even turned it off – can’t remember for sure without going and looking) because it would remove someone and nobody ever knew about it. There were requests about maybe alerting the administrator of such a change, or disabling a user versus removing them, etc. I’m just not sure whether that part has been upgraded. Again, we are on SmarterMail 6.9 but I don’t think the rest of it has changed that much. The one thing that I didn’t like about the mailing lists is that we had an ASP page with all of the options that people could subscribe to. At the end, when they hit submit, it would fire off an email to IMail and subscribe (or unsubscribe) them from all of their choices in one swoop. SmarterMail didn’t handle things that way, and would simply make the change for the first option but ignore the rest of them. We weren’t aware of that at first and had people think they were making changes but they really weren’t. SmarterMail does offer the ability to tie web pages to the mail server using SOAP, etc. But I don’t know it and haven’t had the time to make the changeover. Todd From: Imail Admin [mailto:imailad...@bcwebhost.net] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 6:12 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what? I guess my three areas on concern would be how IM and SM compare in their web mail interface, how they compare in administration, and how they compare in list server. We make pretty modest use of the IM list server (which is pretty primitive), but I would hate to give it up altogether. Thanks for any comments, Ben - Original Message - From: Heimir Eidskrem To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what? We dumped Imail after being with them since version 4 I think. Moved to Smartermail and never looked back. Our customers really like SM and we have nothing but positive feedback. the transition was easy with the migration tools from SM. I would do it again with no hesitation. On 6/1/2011 9:09 PM, Imail Admin wrote: I've been musing over whether it's time to upgrade or replace my mail system. I've got IMail (unlimited users) v 2006.23 on an old server runing Win2k Advanced Server with Declude v.?? (not current, whatever it is). On the one hand, I only have a small number of domains and mail boxes any more
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what?
I would go with 2008 R2 Standard (it's 64bit only). That way you can go past 4GB of RAM if you'd like (up to 32GB). Your server's processor will need to support a 64bit OS to use it. I don't know if there are issues running SM on a desktop OS like Win 7 Pro. Hope this helps. Mike Last June I posted a question and got some great replies. Being preoccupied with work that actually pays me money, I haven't done anything yet, but the time is getting close. My question now is: what OS? Our old Imail 2006 runs on Win Server 2000. Would SmarterMail run on Win 7 Pro? Would it run on a 64-bit version and would there be any point in using the 64-bit version? I ask because I've actually got a spare system sitting around with just that and it has 4 GB of RAM. I'd like to take advantage of all that ram. Thanks in advance, Ben From: IMail Admin Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:28 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what? Thanks, that helped. From: Todd Richards Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 6:18 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what? Hey Ben - If you haven't already, you can download a trial of SmarterMail to give you a hands on feel for how the interface works, from the system administrator to a domain administrator to an end user. I can't speak to the latest version of SmarterMail as we are still running 6.9xx (we have a current subscription but never felt the need yet to upgrade - probably will soon), nor can I offer a good comparison, since we were still on IMail 8.2x when we made the change. There were three main reasons we made the switch: cost, a much improved web interface from our IMail 8.2x version, and the massive number of positive recommendations about switching to SM. Like the others, we have never looked back. We too were on the unlimited version of IMail, but are on a 1000 user version of SmarterMail. That has proved plenty for us at this point. The nice thing is, if we need more then we add them on. We are heavy users of the Mailing Lists in SmarterMail. I like the fact that we can manage subscribers separate from lists. Our main domain (the one that I am on) currently has almost 70 mailing lists. It's great that, via the web interface, we can add a single subscriber to multiple lists. We can also go into the individual lists and manage subscribers as well. You can add your own custom fields to the subscriber screens if you want to track Name, City, Company Name, etc. It also has the ability to remove a user from the lists if they have a certain number of bounces. While that feature was nice, we actually increased it (maybe even turned it off - can't remember for sure without going and looking) because it would remove someone and nobody ever knew about it. There were requests about maybe alerting the administrator of such a change, or disabling a user versus removing them, etc. I'm just not sure whether that part has been upgraded. Again, we are on SmarterMail 6.9 but I don't think the rest of it has changed that much. The one thing that I didn't like about the mailing lists is that we had an ASP page with all of the options that people could subscribe to. At the end, when they hit submit, it would fire off an email to IMail and subscribe (or unsubscribe) them from all of their choices in one swoop. SmarterMail didn't handle things that way, and would simply make the change for the first option but ignore the rest of them. We weren't aware of that at first and had people think they were making changes but they really weren't. SmarterMail does offer the ability to tie web pages to the mail server using SOAP, etc. But I don't know it and haven't had the time to make the changeover. Todd From: Imail Admin [mailto:imailad...@bcwebhost.net] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 6:12 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what? I guess my three areas on concern would be how IM and SM compare in their web mail interface, how they compare in administration, and how they compare in list server. We make pretty modest use of the IM list server (which is pretty primitive), but I would hate to give it up altogether. Thanks for any comments, Ben - Original Message - From: Heimir Eidskrem To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what? We dumped Imail after being with them since version 4 I think. Moved to Smartermail and never looked back. Our customers really like SM and we have nothing but positive feedback. the transition was easy with the migration tools from SM. I would do it again with no hesitation. On 6/1/2011 9:09 PM, Imail Admin wrote: I've been musing over whether it's time to upgrade or replace my mail system.Â
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what?
Thanks, that helped. From: Todd Richards Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 6:18 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what? Hey Ben – If you haven’t already, you can download a trial of SmarterMail to give you a hands on feel for how the interface works, from the system administrator to a domain administrator to an end user. I can’t speak to the latest version of SmarterMail as we are still running 6.9xx (we have a current subscription but never felt the need yet to upgrade – probably will soon), nor can I offer a good comparison, since we were still on IMail 8.2x when we made the change. There were three main reasons we made the switch: cost, a much improved web interface from our IMail 8.2x version, and the massive number of positive recommendations about switching to SM. Like the others, we have never looked back. We too were on the unlimited version of IMail, but are on a 1000 user version of SmarterMail. That has proved plenty for us at this point. The nice thing is, if we need more then we add them on. We are heavy users of the Mailing Lists in SmarterMail. I like the fact that we can manage subscribers separate from lists. Our main domain (the one that I am on) currently has almost 70 mailing lists. It’s great that, via the web interface, we can add a single subscriber to multiple lists. We can also go into the individual lists and manage subscribers as well. You can add your own custom fields to the subscriber screens if you want to track Name, City, Company Name, etc. It also has the ability to remove a user from the lists if they have a certain number of bounces. While that feature was nice, we actually increased it (maybe even turned it off – can’t remember for sure without going and looking) because it would remove someone and nobody ever knew about it. There were requests about maybe alerting the administrator of such a change, or disabling a user versus removing them, etc. I’m just not sure whether that part has been upgraded. Again, we are on SmarterMail 6.9 but I don’t think the rest of it has changed that much. The one thing that I didn’t like about the mailing lists is that we had an ASP page with all of the options that people could subscribe to. At the end, when they hit submit, it would fire off an email to IMail and subscribe (or unsubscribe) them from all of their choices in one swoop. SmarterMail didn’t handle things that way, and would simply make the change for the first option but ignore the rest of them. We weren’t aware of that at first and had people think they were making changes but they really weren’t. SmarterMail does offer the ability to tie web pages to the mail server using SOAP, etc. But I don’t know it and haven’t had the time to make the changeover. Todd From: Imail Admin [mailto:imailad...@bcwebhost.net] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 6:12 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what? I guess my three areas on concern would be how IM and SM compare in their web mail interface, how they compare in administration, and how they compare in list server. We make pretty modest use of the IM list server (which is pretty primitive), but I would hate to give it up altogether. Thanks for any comments, Ben - Original Message - From: Heimir Eidskrem To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what? We dumped Imail after being with them since version 4 I think. Moved to Smartermail and never looked back. Our customers really like SM and we have nothing but positive feedback. the transition was easy with the migration tools from SM. I would do it again with no hesitation. On 6/1/2011 9:09 PM, Imail Admin wrote: I've been musing over whether it's time to upgrade or replace my mail system. I've got IMail (unlimited users) v 2006.23 on an old server runing Win2k Advanced Server with Declude v.?? (not current, whatever it is). On the one hand, I only have a small number of domains and mail boxes any more and on the other hand, my old server is looking pretty long in the tooth.  I started out looking at boxes to build a new server, but they're not that expensive any more. Then I got caughter up in the software. Ipswitch wants $2300 or some such for a software upgrade (unlimited users). That's way more than I can justify spending. I don't really need unlimited users any more, but I hate to give it up. On the other hand, I recall a few years ago when people were switching en masse to SmaterMail so I looked at them and their prices are a lot nice. Anyone care to say how the current versions of either software compared with my old IMail?  I assume that I'll have to upgrade to the current version of Declude, but otherwise that will work
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what?
I guess my three areas on concern would be how IM and SM compare in their web mail interface, how they compare in administration, and how they compare in list server. We make pretty modest use of the IM list server (which is pretty primitive), but I would hate to give it up altogether. Thanks for any comments, Ben - Original Message - From: Heimir Eidskrem To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what? We dumped Imail after being with them since version 4 I think. Moved to Smartermail and never looked back. Our customers really like SM and we have nothing but positive feedback. the transition was easy with the migration tools from SM. I would do it again with no hesitation. On 6/1/2011 9:09 PM, Imail Admin wrote: I've been musing over whether it's time to upgrade or replace my mail system. I've got IMail (unlimited users) v 2006.23 on an old server runing Win2k Advanced Server with Declude v.?? (not current, whatever it is). On the one hand, I only have a small number of domains and mail boxes any more and on the other hand, my old server is looking pretty long in the tooth.  I started out looking at boxes to build a new server, but they're not that expensive any more. Then I got caughter up in the software. Ipswitch wants $2300 or some such for a software upgrade (unlimited users). That's way more than I can justify spending. I don't really need unlimited users any more, but I hate to give it up. On the other hand, I recall a few years ago when people were switching en masse to SmaterMail so I looked at them and their prices are a lot nice. Anyone care to say how the current versions of either software compared with my old IMail?  I assume that I'll have to upgrade to the current version of Declude, but otherwise that will work the same as before?  Any suggestions or pointers would be appreciated.  Thanks,  Ben  --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to imail...@declude.com, and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to imail...@declude.com, and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to imail...@declude.com, and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
re: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what?
I have the latest versions of both; I bought SM to dump Imail but found that some customers are simply resistant to change. So rather than risk losing them I am keeping Imail up to date. Privately Imail maybe receptive to price matching SM [give them a call?] - so that is a 3rd option. -Nick MadRiverAccess.com|Skywaves.com Tech Support US/Canada 877-873-6482 or International +1-802-229-6574 Emergency Support 24/7: supp...@skywaves.net General and Non-Emergency support ticket: https://www.skywaves.com/content/secure/support_ticket.htm From: Imail Admin imailad...@bcwebhost.net Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 10:10 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Time to upgrade and to what? ? I've been musing over whether it's time to upgrade or replace my mail system. I've got IMail (unlimited users) v 2006.23 on an old server runing Win2k Advanced Server with Declude v.?? (not current, whatever it is). On the one hand, I only have a small number of domains and mail boxes any more and on the other hand, my old server is looking pretty long in the tooth. I started out looking at boxes to build a new server, but they're not that expensive any more. Then I got caughter up in the software. Ipswitch wants $2300 or some such for a software upgrade (unlimited users). That's way more than I can justify spending. I don't really need unlimited users any more, but I hate to give it up. On the other hand, I recall a few years ago when people were switching en masse to SmaterMail so I looked at them and their prices are a lot nice. Anyone care to say how the current versions of either software compared with my old IMail? I assume that I'll have to upgrade to the current version of Declude, but otherwise that will work the same as before? Any suggestions or pointers would be appreciated. Thanks, Ben --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to imail...@declude.com, and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to imail...@declude.com, and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
