Re: [libreoffice-design] Merged Toolbar/Notebookbar menu

2018-03-25 Thread Pedro Rosmaninho 
 UI Layout
  Standard
  Single
  Sidebar
  - separator -
  Contextual groups
  Contextual single
  Tabbed

I like this solution. Maybe instead of calling it Single we could call it
something else: I suggest Minimal or Simple.
The rest of the names look good. How about the Groupedbar? Will it be
called Grouped?

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 11:26 PM, infinitytec 
wrote:

> What if all notebookbar options were separated into individual widgets
> that could be rearranged into whatever order that the user wanted? The
> standard toolbar does kind of have that all ready. The notebookbar could
> then be applied as the main tool section, additional toolbars, and the
> sidebar, configured by presets and user preference.
>
> Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not
> understand it.-A variation on Clarke's Third Law
>  Original message From: "kainz.a" 
> Date: 3/25/18  3:08 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Heiko Tietze <
> tietze.he...@gmail.com> Cc: LibO Design ,
> Kshitij Pathania  Subject: Re:
> [libreoffice-design] Merged Toolbar/Notebookbar menu
> What's the difference between toolbars, sidebar and notebookbars. They are
> different from a dev point of view but from a user perspective they
> shouldn't be separate.
>
> So from my point of view no prefix
>
> but as you ordinary don't want to switch the UI often (you have one
> work-flow) I'm for a section in the configuration dialog where there is
> also some explanation.
>
> In addition the section is the menubar is needed (also for some notebookbar
> implementation this drop down list was used).
>
> Add the different layouts into the configuration dialog give also the
> information what's a notebookbar and a standard toolbar (the icon size can
> be different configured).
>
> Cheers
> Andreas_K
>
> 2018-03-25 21:02 GMT+02:00 Heiko Tietze :
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > in the patch https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/49575/ Kshitij is
> working
> > on issue tdf#115131 (merging the two menu flavors). The patch works find
> > but we stumbled over the label question. Right now it looks like this
> >
> > Toolbar
> >   Standard
> >   Single
> >   Sidebar
> >   - separator -
> >   Notebookbar > Contextual groups
> >   Notebookbar > Contextual single
> >   Notebookbar > Tabbed
> >
> > My comment was to remove the prefix but Jay disagreed with the remark
> that
> > such a combined menu would better be called UI Layout. The change may
> look
> > like this
> >
> > UI Layout
> >   Standard
> >   Single
> >   Sidebar
> >   - separator -
> >   Contextual groups
> >   Contextual single
> >   Tabbed
> >
> > Now I wonder how users may read "UI Layout > Single", for instance. And
> > calling it "Single Toolbar" is also not that nice thinking about
> "Standard"
> > or "Standard Toolbar" (and suffixes are similarly awkward as prefixes).
> >
> > I still prefer this plain solution as any prefix is a clear indicator for
> > bad usability (meaning the items are actually meant for a submenu). Any
> > opinion?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Heiko
> >
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Merged Toolbar/Notebookbar menu

2018-03-25 Thread infinitytec 
What if all notebookbar options were separated into individual widgets that 
could be rearranged into whatever order that the user wanted? The standard 
toolbar does kind of have that all ready. The notebookbar could then be applied 
as the main tool section, additional toolbars, and the sidebar, configured by 
presets and user preference.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not understand 
it.-A variation on Clarke's Third Law
 Original message From: "kainz.a"  Date: 
3/25/18  3:08 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Heiko Tietze  Cc: 
LibO Design , Kshitij Pathania 
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Merged 
Toolbar/Notebookbar menu 
What's the difference between toolbars, sidebar and notebookbars. They are
different from a dev point of view but from a user perspective they
shouldn't be separate.

So from my point of view no prefix

but as you ordinary don't want to switch the UI often (you have one
work-flow) I'm for a section in the configuration dialog where there is
also some explanation.

In addition the section is the menubar is needed (also for some notebookbar
implementation this drop down list was used).

Add the different layouts into the configuration dialog give also the
information what's a notebookbar and a standard toolbar (the icon size can
be different configured).

Cheers
Andreas_K

2018-03-25 21:02 GMT+02:00 Heiko Tietze :

> Hello,
>
> in the patch https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/49575/ Kshitij is working
> on issue tdf#115131 (merging the two menu flavors). The patch works find
> but we stumbled over the label question. Right now it looks like this
>
> Toolbar
>   Standard
>   Single
>   Sidebar
>   - separator -
>   Notebookbar > Contextual groups
>   Notebookbar > Contextual single
>   Notebookbar > Tabbed
>
> My comment was to remove the prefix but Jay disagreed with the remark that
> such a combined menu would better be called UI Layout. The change may look
> like this
>
> UI Layout
>   Standard
>   Single
>   Sidebar
>   - separator -
>   Contextual groups
>   Contextual single
>   Tabbed
>
> Now I wonder how users may read "UI Layout > Single", for instance. And
> calling it "Single Toolbar" is also not that nice thinking about "Standard"
> or "Standard Toolbar" (and suffixes are similarly awkward as prefixes).
>
> I still prefer this plain solution as any prefix is a clear indicator for
> bad usability (meaning the items are actually meant for a submenu). Any
> opinion?
>
> Cheers,
> Heiko
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Merged Toolbar/Notebookbar menu

2018-03-25 Thread kainz.a 
What's the difference between toolbars, sidebar and notebookbars. They are
different from a dev point of view but from a user perspective they
shouldn't be separate.

So from my point of view no prefix

but as you ordinary don't want to switch the UI often (you have one
work-flow) I'm for a section in the configuration dialog where there is
also some explanation.

In addition the section is the menubar is needed (also for some notebookbar
implementation this drop down list was used).

Add the different layouts into the configuration dialog give also the
information what's a notebookbar and a standard toolbar (the icon size can
be different configured).

Cheers
Andreas_K

2018-03-25 21:02 GMT+02:00 Heiko Tietze :

> Hello,
>
> in the patch https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/49575/ Kshitij is working
> on issue tdf#115131 (merging the two menu flavors). The patch works find
> but we stumbled over the label question. Right now it looks like this
>
> Toolbar
>   Standard
>   Single
>   Sidebar
>   - separator -
>   Notebookbar > Contextual groups
>   Notebookbar > Contextual single
>   Notebookbar > Tabbed
>
> My comment was to remove the prefix but Jay disagreed with the remark that
> such a combined menu would better be called UI Layout. The change may look
> like this
>
> UI Layout
>   Standard
>   Single
>   Sidebar
>   - separator -
>   Contextual groups
>   Contextual single
>   Tabbed
>
> Now I wonder how users may read "UI Layout > Single", for instance. And
> calling it "Single Toolbar" is also not that nice thinking about "Standard"
> or "Standard Toolbar" (and suffixes are similarly awkward as prefixes).
>
> I still prefer this plain solution as any prefix is a clear indicator for
> bad usability (meaning the items are actually meant for a submenu). Any
> opinion?
>
> Cheers,
> Heiko
>
>
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[libreoffice-design] Merged Toolbar/Notebookbar menu

2018-03-25 Thread Heiko Tietze 
Hello,

in the patch https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/49575/ Kshitij is working on 
issue tdf#115131 (merging the two menu flavors). The patch works find but we 
stumbled over the label question. Right now it looks like this

Toolbar
  Standard
  Single
  Sidebar
  - separator -
  Notebookbar > Contextual groups
  Notebookbar > Contextual single
  Notebookbar > Tabbed

My comment was to remove the prefix but Jay disagreed with the remark that such 
a combined menu would better be called UI Layout. The change may look like this

UI Layout
  Standard
  Single
  Sidebar
  - separator -
  Contextual groups
  Contextual single
  Tabbed

Now I wonder how users may read "UI Layout > Single", for instance. And calling 
it "Single Toolbar" is also not that nice thinking about "Standard" or 
"Standard Toolbar" (and suffixes are similarly awkward as prefixes). 

I still prefer this plain solution as any prefix is a clear indicator for bad 
usability (meaning the items are actually meant for a submenu). Any opinion?

Cheers,
Heiko


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