Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven EAR Plugin version 2.9.1
+1 On 17 June 2014 05:33, Robert Scholte rfscho...@apache.org wrote: +1 * maven-ear-plugin-2.9.1-source-release.zip results in BUILD SUCCESS * [INFO] Rat check: Summary of files. Unapproved: 0 unknown: 0 generated: 0 approved: 330 licence. * SHA1 correct * Site is ok Robert Op Sun, 15 Jun 2014 16:23:51 +0200 schreef Karl Heinz Marbaise khmarba...@gmx.de: Hi, We solved 2 issues: http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=11132version=18776 There are still 27 issues left in JIRA: http://jira.codehaus.org/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20MEAR%20AND%20status%20%3D%20Open%20ORDER%20BY%20key%20DESC%2C%20priority%20DESC Staging repo: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1024 http://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1024/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-ear-plugin/2.9.1/maven-ear-plugin-2.9.1-source-release.zip Source release checksum(s): maven-ear-plugin-2.9.1-source-release.zip sha1: b1f8e9e492c0199636da22c741736a38307a8f57 Staging site: http://maven.apache.org/plugins-archives/maven-ear-plugin-LATEST/ Guide to testing staged releases: http://maven.apache.org/guides/development/guide-testing-releases.html Vote open for 72 hours. [ ] +1 [ ] +0 [ ] -1 Kind regards Karl-Heinz Marbaise - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org -- Olivier Lamy Ecetera: http://ecetera.com.au http://twitter.com/olamy | http://linkedin.com/in/olamy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
[GitHub] maven-surefire pull request: Remove JUnit4Provider.java.orig.
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven EAR Plugin version 2.9.1
+1 Thanks, S. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Robert Scholte rfscho...@apache.org wrote: +1 * maven-ear-plugin-2.9.1-source-release.zip results in BUILD SUCCESS * [INFO] Rat check: Summary of files. Unapproved: 0 unknown: 0 generated: 0 approved: 330 licence. * SHA1 correct * Site is ok Robert Op Sun, 15 Jun 2014 16:23:51 +0200 schreef Karl Heinz Marbaise khmarba...@gmx.de: Hi, We solved 2 issues: http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa? projectId=11132version=18776 There are still 27 issues left in JIRA: http://jira.codehaus.org/issues/?jql=project%20%3D% 20MEAR%20AND%20status%20%3D%20Open%20ORDER%20BY%20key% 20DESC%2C%20priority%20DESC Staging repo: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1024 http://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven- 1024/org/apache/maven/plugins/maven-ear-plugin/2.9.1/maven- ear-plugin-2.9.1-source-release.zip Source release checksum(s): maven-ear-plugin-2.9.1-source-release.zip sha1: b1f8e9e492c0199636da22c741736a38307a8f57 Staging site: http://maven.apache.org/plugins-archives/maven-ear-plugin-LATEST/ Guide to testing staged releases: http://maven.apache.org/guides/development/guide-testing-releases.html Vote open for 72 hours. [ ] +1 [ ] +0 [ ] -1 Kind regards Karl-Heinz Marbaise - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
[GitHub] maven pull request: - logging configuration now no longer overwrit...
Github user a-horst commented on the pull request: https://github.com/apache/maven/pull/22#issuecomment-46279524 Just to get it right: for the ITs I have to clone [https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/maven-integration-testing.git] and then use my local SNAPSHOT build (maven-3.2.2-SNAPSHOT) with the patch/fix to build (mvn install -Prun-its) the maven-integration-test project? --- If your project is set up for it, you can reply to this email and have your reply appear on GitHub as well. If your project does not have this feature enabled and wishes so, or if the feature is enabled but not working, please contact infrastructure at infrastruct...@apache.org or file a JIRA ticket with INFRA. --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
[GitHub] maven pull request: - logging configuration now no longer overwrit...
Github user a-horst commented on the pull request: https://github.com/apache/maven/pull/22#issuecomment-46286090 Ok, so I executed the ITs and faced two problems: 1. We use our own dedicated Nexus OSS and hence have custom user settings (with mirror etc.). A lot of ITs fail because of that; they all pass without custom user settings. I might have missed it but it should be documented somewhere. 2. Only one IT is failing [MNG-4625] (http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-4625) but I doubt this is related to the change above. I'll give it another try to make sure it's not caused by encoding issues and I will also run the ITs with maven-3.2.1. --- If your project is set up for it, you can reply to this email and have your reply appear on GitHub as well. If your project does not have this feature enabled and wishes so, or if the feature is enabled but not working, please contact infrastructure at infrastruct...@apache.org or file a JIRA ticket with INFRA. --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
[GitHub] maven pull request: - logging configuration now no longer overwrit...
Github user a-horst commented on the pull request: https://github.com/apache/maven/pull/22#issuecomment-46291995 So, executing ITs with maven-3.2.1 also fails [MNG-4625] (http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-4625). mng-5591-workspace-reader-module-a also fails but I assume that's a different issue. This is the stack (sorry for the German message): ``` testit(org.apache.maven.it.MavenITmng4625SettingsXmlInterpolationWithXmlMarkupTest) Time elapsed: 0.01 sec ERROR! org.apache.maven.it.VerificationException: Exit code was non-zero: 1; command line and log = C:\Program Files\Apache\apache-maven-3.2.1\bin\mvn --global-settings C:\Users\ahorst\git\maven-integration-testing\core-it-suite\target\test-classes\settings.xml --settings settings.xml -e --batch-mode -Dtest.prop=x=y -Dmaven.repo.local=C:\Users\ahorst\.m2\repository validate kann syntaktisch an dieser Stelle nicht verarbeitet werden. at org.apache.maven.it.Verifier.executeGoals(Verifier.java:1359) at org.apache.maven.it.Verifier.executeGoal(Verifier.java:1235) at org.apache.maven.it.Verifier.executeGoal(Verifier.java:1229) at org.apache.maven.it.MavenITmng4625SettingsXmlInterpolationWithXmlMarkupTest.testit(MavenITmng4625SettingsXmlInterpolationWithXmlMarkupTest.java:57) ``` --- If your project is set up for it, you can reply to this email and have your reply appear on GitHub as well. If your project does not have this feature enabled and wishes so, or if the feature is enabled but not working, please contact infrastructure at infrastruct...@apache.org or file a JIRA ticket with INFRA. --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
[GitHub] maven pull request: - logging configuration now no longer overwrit...
Github user jvanzyl commented on the pull request: https://github.com/apache/maven/pull/22#issuecomment-46299917 They should all be passing. Happy to help you once I cut the 3.2.2 release. Also, if you happen to use Eclipse I can show you how to do this all from within Eclipse which is much simpler. I'm thinking of demoing these tools tomorrow at our hangout: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/113247990055413254822/events/cvbjktccvtp8cj9pru9u7r511fs But no pressure to show up to the hangout, I can show you how to use the tools in a 1:1 hangout. At any rate I will help you with the ITs later this week. --- If your project is set up for it, you can reply to this email and have your reply appear on GitHub as well. If your project does not have this feature enabled and wishes so, or if the feature is enabled but not working, please contact infrastructure at infrastruct...@apache.org or file a JIRA ticket with INFRA. --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Nexus is down?
Is Nexus down for scheduled maintenance or did it just fall over? I'm trying to cut the 3.2.2 release and Nexus appears dead: https://repository.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who has said it, not even if i have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. -- Buddha
Re: Nexus is down?
Thanks for bringing it back whoever kicked it. On Jun 17, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Jason van Zyl ja...@takari.io wrote: Is Nexus down for scheduled maintenance or did it just fall over? I'm trying to cut the 3.2.2 release and Nexus appears dead: https://repository.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who has said it, not even if i have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. -- Buddha Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt. -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
Site for Maven 3.2.2
Could someone possibly do the site related work? I write up the release notes. But to update the site for the release and publish the reference site. Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - Our achievements speak for themselves. What we have to keep track of are our failures, discouragements and doubts. We tend to forget the past difficulties, the many false starts, and the painful groping. We see our past achievements as the end result of a clean forward thrust, and our present difficulties as signs of decline and decay. -- Eric Hoffer, Reflections on the Human Condition
Re: Nexus is down?
Can we discuss what kind of hardware Nexus is on? It's gone down again while I'm trying to release and it's very annoying. On Jun 17, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Jason van Zyl ja...@takari.io wrote: Thanks for bringing it back whoever kicked it. On Jun 17, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Jason van Zyl ja...@takari.io wrote: Is Nexus down for scheduled maintenance or did it just fall over? I'm trying to cut the 3.2.2 release and Nexus appears dead: https://repository.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who has said it, not even if i have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. -- Buddha Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt. -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -- John Kenneth Galbraith
[GitHub] maven pull request: - logging configuration now no longer overwrit...
Github user a-horst commented on the pull request: https://github.com/apache/maven/pull/22#issuecomment-46325077 I already got it running in Eclipse (pretty straight forward with m2e etc.). Actually the failed test [MNG-4625] (http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-4625) never seemed to have passed: see the respective job history of [core-it-maven-3-win] (https://builds.apache.org/view/M-R/view/Maven%20Core%20ITs%20(unstable)/job/core-it-maven-3-win/). I could narrow down the problem to the use of the special characters in the command which are the actual subject of the test (the property ```test.prop=x=y```). However they seem to break the eventual execution of the Maven build for the IT. While the CmdShell (the concrete Shell for Windows; see [maven-shared-utils] (https://github.com/apache/maven-shared/tree/trunk/maven-shared-utils/src/main/java/org/apache/maven/shared/utils/cli)) correctly quotes the shell invocation it seems like for the Maven execution (on Windows) the special characters need to be quoted as well. I adjusted the IT to use a quoted assignment and the IT succeeds: ``` verifier.setSystemProperty( test.prop, \x=y\ ); ``` instead of ``` verifier.setSystemProperty( test.prop, x=y ); ``` Taking into account that MNG-4625 apparently never succeeded on Windows, I guess we can say that ITs succeeded with the proposed changes (I just simply didn't run ITs on Unix). --- If your project is set up for it, you can reply to this email and have your reply appear on GitHub as well. If your project does not have this feature enabled and wishes so, or if the feature is enabled but not working, please contact infrastructure at infrastruct...@apache.org or file a JIRA ticket with INFRA. --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Running the ITs on Windows
Can someone who runs on Windows take a look at: https://github.com/apache/maven/pull/22#issuecomment-46325077 A user trying to contribute an IT and getting a failure on Windows. Looks like he has a solution but I don't run anything on Windows so can't easily verify without becoming very angry :-) Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io -
[VOTE] Release Maven 3.2.2
Hi, Time to release Maven 3.2.2! Here is a link to Jira with 27 issues resolved: https://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=10500version=20042 Staging repo: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/ The distributable binaries and sources for testing can be found here: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/ Specifically the zip, tarball, and source archives can be found here: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-bin.zip https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-bin.tar.gz https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-src.zip https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-src.tar.gz Source release checksum(s): apache-maven-3.2.2-src.zip sha1: c4017fa1f4f2f203c132d5168b0c0eed4c4fdf9c Staging site: http://people.apache.org/~jvanzyl/maven-3.2.2/ Vote open for 72 hours. [ ] +1 [ ] +0 [ ] -1 Thanks, The Maven Team - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Release Maven 3.2.2
+1 Analyzer... stagingUrl: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025 groupId: org.apache.maven artifactId: apache-maven version: 3.2.2 Source ZIP url exists. https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-src.zip Source ZIP SHA1 url exists. https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-src.zip.sha1 Binary ZIP url exists. https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-bin.zip Binary ZIP SHA1 url exists. https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-bin.zip.sha1 Calculated SHA1 of source ZIP matches published SHA1 of source ZIP. c4017fa1f4f2f203c132d5168b0c0eed4c4fdf9c Calculated SHA1 of binary ZIP matches published SHA1 of binary ZIP. c9b8360139577978586e784acd00bfb02beef07a Git revision of release as determined from maven-core-3.2.2.jar:org/apache/maven/messages/build.properties(buildNumber): 45f7c06d68e745d05611f7fd14efb6594181933e Files that are present in the source distribution but not in the source revision: DEPENDENCIES On Jun 17, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@takari.io wrote: Hi, Time to release Maven 3.2.2! Here is a link to Jira with 27 issues resolved: https://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=10500version=20042 Staging repo: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/ The distributable binaries and sources for testing can be found here: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/ Specifically the zip, tarball, and source archives can be found here: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-bin.zip https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-bin.tar.gz https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-src.zip https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-src.tar.gz Source release checksum(s): apache-maven-3.2.2-src.zip sha1: c4017fa1f4f2f203c132d5168b0c0eed4c4fdf9c Staging site: http://people.apache.org/~jvanzyl/maven-3.2.2/ Vote open for 72 hours. [ ] +1 [ ] +0 [ ] -1 Thanks, The Maven Team - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it. -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
Re: [VOTE] Release Maven 3.2.2
We'll have to get the unresolved issues out of the release notes. Cheers, Paul On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Jason van Zyl ja...@takari.io wrote: Hi, Time to release Maven 3.2.2! Here is a link to Jira with 27 issues resolved: https://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=10500version=20042 Staging repo: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/ The distributable binaries and sources for testing can be found here: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/ Specifically the zip, tarball, and source archives can be found here: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-bin.zip https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-bin.tar.gz https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-src.zip https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-src.tar.gz Source release checksum(s): apache-maven-3.2.2-src.zip sha1: c4017fa1f4f2f203c132d5168b0c0eed4c4fdf9c Staging site: http://people.apache.org/~jvanzyl/maven-3.2.2/ Vote open for 72 hours. [ ] +1 [ ] +0 [ ] -1 Thanks, The Maven Team - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Release Maven 3.2.2
Am 2014-06-17 18:03, schrieb Jason van Zyl: Hi, Time to release Maven 3.2.2! I am confused?! There are nine unresolved issues for that release. If you are not going to fix, remove the 'Fix Version' please. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Release Maven 3.2.2
Done. On Jun 17, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-06-17 18:03, schrieb Jason van Zyl: Hi, Time to release Maven 3.2.2! I am confused?! There are nine unresolved issues for that release. If you are not going to fix, remove the 'Fix Version' please. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect. -- Edward Gibbon
[GitHub] maven pull request: - logging configuration now no longer overwrit...
Github user rfscholte commented on the pull request: https://github.com/apache/maven/pull/22#issuecomment-46347052 Works fine on my system: Apache Maven 3.2.1 (ea8b2b07643dbb1b84b6d16e1f08391b666bc1e9; 2014-02-14T18:37:52+01:00) Maven home: D:\apache-maven-3.2.1\bin\.. Java version: 1.7.0_45, vendor: Oracle Corporation Java home: C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.7.0_45\jre Default locale: nl_NL, platform encoding: Cp1252 OS name: windows 7, version: 6.1, arch: amd64, family: windows What's yours? --- If your project is set up for it, you can reply to this email and have your reply appear on GitHub as well. If your project does not have this feature enabled and wishes so, or if the feature is enabled but not working, please contact infrastructure at infrastruct...@apache.org or file a JIRA ticket with INFRA. --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
MNG Roadmap in JIRA
Hi folks, has anyone of you ever check the roadmap in JIRA lately? There are several versions which will probably never be released. Moveover, all tickets for 2.2.2 are fixed. Can we clean up upcoming versions? Are we going to release a EOL 2.2.2? Thanks, Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: MNG Roadmap in JIRA
Just start nuking/moving/cleaning if you think it makes sense. On Jun 17, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Hi folks, has anyone of you ever check the roadmap in JIRA lately? There are several versions which will probably never be released. Moveover, all tickets for 2.2.2 are fixed. Can we clean up upcoming versions? Are we going to release a EOL 2.2.2? Thanks, Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.)
Re: MNG Roadmap in JIRA
Hi, has anyone of you ever check the roadmap in JIRA lately? There are several versions which will probably never be released. Moveover, all tickets for 2.2.2 are fixed. Can we clean up upcoming versions? Are we going to release a EOL 2.2.2? In february we had decided not to release any 2.X version (EoL).. but who will us detain? Kind regards Karl-Heinz Marbaise - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: MNG Roadmap in JIRA
Am 2014-06-17 21:17, schrieb Karl Heinz Marbaise: Hi, has anyone of you ever check the roadmap in JIRA lately? There are several versions which will probably never be released. Moveover, all tickets for 2.2.2 are fixed. Can we clean up upcoming versions? Are we going to release a EOL 2.2.2? In february we had decided not to release any 2.X version (EoL).. but who will us detain? Right, just found the mail you wrote to the list. It's EOL -- just checked the tickets. Hervé and others invested valueable time to fix them. We should honor that and cut a final release, though it is EOL. WDYT? Michael PS: I have removed '2.2.x (to be reviewed)' because no one will ever touch it again. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: MNG Roadmap in JIRA
Am 2014-06-17 21:14, schrieb Jason van Zyl: Just start nuking/moving/cleaning if you think it makes sense. Just did for 2.2.x. But are we going to relase 3.0.6 or 3.1.2? I don't think so because all energy is being put into 3.2.x. If so, should we declare at least 3.0.x as EOL? If not, people and me would assume that it is still being worked on. On Jun 17, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Hi folks, has anyone of you ever check the roadmap in JIRA lately? There are several versions which will probably never be released. Moveover, all tickets for 2.2.2 are fixed. Can we clean up upcoming versions? Are we going to release a EOL 2.2.2? Thanks, Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: MNG Roadmap in JIRA
On Jun 17, 2014, at 3:47 PM, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-06-17 21:14, schrieb Jason van Zyl: Just start nuking/moving/cleaning if you think it makes sense. Just did for 2.2.x. But are we going to relase 3.0.6 or 3.1.2? I don't think so because all energy is being put into 3.2.x. If so, should we declare at least 3.0.x as EOL? If not, people and me would assume that it is still being worked on. Unlike more 3.0.x or 3.1.x as it's really all been rolled into 3.2.x. Aside from the Aether debacle with the APIs most things work the same, and I think I'm just going to be more judicious while working on master as if I change a few signatures here and there I'm probably not going to roll major or minor versions. It's just confusing and no one cares for the most part. 98% of our users are just users and it's the features that matter. For the remaining 2% who are integrators it's unfortunate what happened with Aether but it probably affect 20 plugins, not the end of the world. On Jun 17, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Hi folks, has anyone of you ever check the roadmap in JIRA lately? There are several versions which will probably never be released. Moveover, all tickets for 2.2.2 are fixed. Can we clean up upcoming versions? Are we going to release a EOL 2.2.2? Thanks, Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.)
Re: [VOTE] Release Maven 3.2.2
Hi, first +1 (non binding) from me... Apache Maven 3.2.2 (45f7c06d68e745d05611f7fd14efb6594181933e; 2014-06-17T15:51:42+02:00) Maven home: /usr/share/maven Java version: 1.7.0_21, vendor: Oracle Corporation Java home: /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/jdk1.7.0_21.jdk/Contents/Home/jre Default locale: en_US, platform encoding: UTF-8 OS name: mac os x, version: 10.8.5, arch: x86_64, family: mac checked to build several of my own projects with this release apart from that I've checked to build some of the current maven-plugins folders: mvn -Prun-its clean verify maven-assembly-plugin (trunk) maven-jar-plugin (trunk) maven-install-plugin (trunk) maven-ear-plugin (trunk) maven-war-plugin (trunk) maven-clean-plugin (trunk) maven-ejb-plugin (trunk) without any problems. Kind regards Karl-Heinz Marbaise Here is a link to Jira with 27 issues resolved: https://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=10500version=20042 Staging repo: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/ The distributable binaries and sources for testing can be found here: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/ Specifically the zip, tarball, and source archives can be found here: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-bin.zip https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-bin.tar.gz https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-src.zip https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-src.tar.gz Source release checksum(s): apache-maven-3.2.2-src.zip sha1: c4017fa1f4f2f203c132d5168b0c0eed4c4fdf9c Staging site: http://people.apache.org/~jvanzyl/maven-3.2.2/ Vote open for 72 hours. [ ] +1 [ ] +0 [ ] -1 Thanks, The Maven Team - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: MNG Roadmap in JIRA
Am 2014-06-17 21:57, schrieb Jason van Zyl: On Jun 17, 2014, at 3:47 PM, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-06-17 21:14, schrieb Jason van Zyl: Just start nuking/moving/cleaning if you think it makes sense. Just did for 2.2.x. But are we going to relase 3.0.6 or 3.1.2? I don't think so because all energy is being put into 3.2.x. If so, should we declare at least 3.0.x as EOL? If not, people and me would assume that it is still being worked on. Unlike more 3.0.x or 3.1.x as it's really all been rolled into 3.2.x. Aside from the Aether debacle with the APIs most things work the same, and I think I'm just going to be more judicious while working on master as if I change a few signatures here and there I'm probably not going to roll major or minor versions. It's just confusing and no one cares for the most part. 98% of our users are just users and it's the features that matter. For the remaining 2% who are integrators it's unfortunate what happened with Aether but it probably affect 20 plugins, not the end of the world. Great, I'd discontinue both in JIRA. On Jun 17, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Hi folks, has anyone of you ever check the roadmap in JIRA lately? There are several versions which will probably never be released. Moveover, all tickets for 2.2.2 are fixed. Can we clean up upcoming versions? Are we going to release a EOL 2.2.2? Thanks, Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Release Maven 3.2.2
+1 (non-binding) * SHA1 of src.zip OK * Checked with invoker tests for our local company pom, two smaller single module and one small multi-module projects. Regards Mirko -- http://illegalstateexception.blogspot.com/ https://github.com/mfriedenhagen/ (http://osrc.dfm.io/mfriedenhagen) https://bitbucket.org/mfriedenhagen/ On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@takari.io wrote: Done. On Jun 17, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-06-17 18:03, schrieb Jason van Zyl: Hi, Time to release Maven 3.2.2! I am confused?! There are nine unresolved issues for that release. If you are not going to fix, remove the 'Fix Version' please. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect. -- Edward Gibbon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven EAR Plugin version 2.9.1
+1 Regards, Hervé Le dimanche 15 juin 2014 16:23:51 Karl Heinz Marbaise a écrit : Hi, We solved 2 issues: http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=11132version=187 76 There are still 27 issues left in JIRA: http://jira.codehaus.org/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20MEAR%20AND%20status%20% 3D%20Open%20ORDER%20BY%20key%20DESC%2C%20priority%20DESC Staging repo: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1024 http://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1024/org/apache/mave n/plugins/maven-ear-plugin/2.9.1/maven-ear-plugin-2.9.1-source-release.zip Source release checksum(s): maven-ear-plugin-2.9.1-source-release.zip sha1: b1f8e9e492c0199636da22c741736a38307a8f57 Staging site: http://maven.apache.org/plugins-archives/maven-ear-plugin-LATEST/ Guide to testing staged releases: http://maven.apache.org/guides/development/guide-testing-releases.html Vote open for 72 hours. [ ] +1 [ ] +0 [ ] -1 Kind regards Karl-Heinz Marbaise - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Release Maven 3.2.2
Hi just a hint...
I've taken a look into the maven site and found out that there had not
been a release announcement of Maven 3.2.1 ...couldn't find a reference
in the mailing list archives...someone else? Did i missed something?
history.apt:
* 2014-02-21 3.2.1
{{{http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/maven-users/201402.mbox/UPDATE_WHEN_ANNOUNCED}
announce}},
{{{./3.2.1/release-notes.html} release notes}},
{{{/ref/3.2.1/} reference documentation}}
Kind regards
Karl-Heinz Marbaise
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RFC: maven-jar-plugin Release 2.5
Hi, i just wan't to start release process for maven-jar-plugin within next few days Is there something which should be part of that release... Current state of the release: http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=11137version=18297 Kind regards Karl-Heinz Marbaise - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Release Maven 3.2.2
I just published it
Regards,
Hervé
Le mardi 17 juin 2014 22:45:39 Karl Heinz Marbaise a écrit :
Hi just a hint...
I've taken a look into the maven site and found out that there had not
been a release announcement of Maven 3.2.1 ...couldn't find a reference
in the mailing list archives...someone else? Did i missed something?
history.apt:
* 2014-02-21 3.2.1
{{{http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/maven-users/201402.mbox/UPDATE_W
HEN_ANNOUNCED} announce}},
{{{./3.2.1/release-notes.html} release notes}},
{{{/ref/3.2.1/} reference documentation}}
Kind regards
Karl-Heinz Marbaise
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Re: [VOTE] Release Maven 3.2.2
Hi Hervè
I just published it
Thanks for finding and updating it...
Kind regards
Karl-Heinz Marbaise
Regards,
Hervé
Le mardi 17 juin 2014 22:45:39 Karl Heinz Marbaise a écrit :
Hi just a hint...
I've taken a look into the maven site and found out that there had not
been a release announcement of Maven 3.2.1 ...couldn't find a reference
in the mailing list archives...someone else? Did i missed something?
history.apt:
* 2014-02-21 3.2.1
{{{http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/maven-users/201402.mbox/UPDATE_W
HEN_ANNOUNCED} announce}},
{{{./3.2.1/release-notes.html} release notes}},
{{{/ref/3.2.1/} reference documentation}}
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Re: Site for Maven 3.2.2
I did the work, ie I ran the classical commands: mvn -Preporting site site:stage mvn scm-publish:publish-scm so the site is ready at http://maven.apache.org/ref/3-LATEST/ Notice: 1. it takes a little time because there are 142MB and ~4K files, but it works like a charm with these commands 2. I did it with mvn 3.2.2, while at it :) then I did the svn cp to versioned location: http://maven.apache.org/ref/3.2.2 Regards, Hervé Le mardi 17 juin 2014 11:22:52 Jason van Zyl a écrit : Could someone possibly do the site related work? I write up the release notes. But to update the site for the release and publish the reference site. Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - Our achievements speak for themselves. What we have to keep track of are our failures, discouragements and doubts. We tend to forget the past difficulties, the many false starts, and the painful groping. We see our past achievements as the end result of a clean forward thrust, and our present difficulties as signs of decline and decay. -- Eric Hoffer, Reflections on the Human Condition - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: MNG Roadmap in JIRA
Since 2.x is discontinued, this is our opportunity to rename the JIRA project too. Right now it's Maven 2 3. It can either be Maven 3 or simply Maven. Thoughts? Cheers, Paul On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-06-17 21:57, schrieb Jason van Zyl: On Jun 17, 2014, at 3:47 PM, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Am 2014-06-17 21:14, schrieb Jason van Zyl: Just start nuking/moving/cleaning if you think it makes sense. Just did for 2.2.x. But are we going to relase 3.0.6 or 3.1.2? I don't think so because all energy is being put into 3.2.x. If so, should we declare at least 3.0.x as EOL? If not, people and me would assume that it is still being worked on. Unlike more 3.0.x or 3.1.x as it's really all been rolled into 3.2.x. Aside from the Aether debacle with the APIs most things work the same, and I think I'm just going to be more judicious while working on master as if I change a few signatures here and there I'm probably not going to roll major or minor versions. It's just confusing and no one cares for the most part. 98% of our users are just users and it's the features that matter. For the remaining 2% who are integrators it's unfortunate what happened with Aether but it probably affect 20 plugins, not the end of the world. Great, I'd discontinue both in JIRA. On Jun 17, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Michael Osipov micha...@apache.org wrote: Hi folks, has anyone of you ever check the roadmap in JIRA lately? There are several versions which will probably never be released. Moveover, all tickets for 2.2.2 are fixed. Can we clean up upcoming versions? Are we going to release a EOL 2.2.2? Thanks, Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl http://twitter.com/takari_io - Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Release Maven 3.2.2
+1 non-binding here - so far looks good. My work projects seem to build fine, as do my mojos. On 18 Jun 2014, at 4:03, Jason van Zyl wrote: Hi, Time to release Maven 3.2.2! Here is a link to Jira with 27 issues resolved: https://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=10500version=20042 Staging repo: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/ The distributable binaries and sources for testing can be found here: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/ Specifically the zip, tarball, and source archives can be found here: https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-bin.zip https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-bin.tar.gz https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-src.zip https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-1025/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/3.2.2/apache-maven-3.2.2-src.tar.gz Source release checksum(s): apache-maven-3.2.2-src.zip sha1: c4017fa1f4f2f203c132d5168b0c0eed4c4fdf9c Staging site: http://people.apache.org/~jvanzyl/maven-3.2.2/ Vote open for 72 hours. [ ] +1 [ ] +0 [ ] -1 Thanks, The Maven Team - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: A thought on local-SNAPSHOTs
Interesting, I hadn't noticed this was only a warning. The main problem I have is the moment you start relying on these fake reactors you end up breaking C.I. builds with dependant changes. This is my main beef with multiple git repositories for projects - if you have a pairing of dependant changes ( an API change and an Implementation change ) - without specific tooling about sharing local-repos for discreet dependent change sets you end up with false-negative build failures. I believe this is an area that Jason's new continuous deliver system does not even try to address (yet), I think I saw it mentioned that it requires simple-repo to work. Mark On 16 Jun 2014, at 20:00, Stephen Connolly wrote: That's it... and also note that while Maven complains if the pom at the specified relativePath is not the parent, it will build correctly ... just resolving the parent from the local repository and not from the disk. On 16 June 2014 06:05, Barrie Treloar baerr...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 June 2014 14:12, Stephen Connolly stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, 15 June 2014, Mark Derricutt m...@talios.com wrote: So if I have two modules that are interdependent on in-progress changes, how does one build/test the dependant one. Note - reactor builds and multi-modules builds are out of the question - the above modules are in separate git repositories and there's no way to create a fake reactor setup - i.e. a separate pom.xml just listing module/ elements ( maven complains when that pom is not the parent ). Even if the local aggregator does something like module../foo/module A link to a blog post or more detail might be useful for those still learning. I'm pretty sure I know this to look like ROOT/ - aggregator - pom.xml (reference modules ../projectA and ../projectB) - projectA - projectB But its not something I do, and I'm hoping I got it right from Maven experience :) This is where the vaoporware Magic Checkout plugin that Kristian has mentioned would be useful. This plugin would automatically change a released dependency to its snapshot version, check it out, and update/create the aggregator project to reference the checked out version. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: A thought on local-SNAPSHOTs
On 18 June 2014 12:23, Mark Derricutt m...@talios.com wrote: Interesting, I hadn't noticed this was only a warning. The main problem I have is the moment you start relying on these fake reactors you end up breaking C.I. builds with dependant changes. Why? Your CI should know that project B depends upon A. If you checkin B first, then yes you will get problems. If you checkin the correct order then the CI will stack the builds so you wont have a problem. Either in this thread or elsewhere was the guidance to avoid have a snapshot repo for developers. But this is needed for CI, as each build should be using a clean local repo - so it needs to pull snapshots from somewhere else as they wont be in your now empty repo, nor build as part of the reactor. This is my main beef with multiple git repositories for projects - if you have a pairing of dependant changes ( an API change and an Implementation change ) - without specific tooling about sharing local-repos for discreet dependent change sets you end up with false-negative build failures. This is a process issue. Either your CI is too aggressive with its code change checking window, or you need to slow down commits, and make sure they are in the correct order, so that you avoid the false-positive failures.
Re: A thought on local-SNAPSHOTs
You assume CI servers have intelligence and deep knowledge of Maven. Or that you have deep control over their configuration. You can't do that with Travis CI, nor with Code-review tools such as Gerrit ( not cleanly, not without doing evil things with maven configs like I mention in [1] ). Starting from a complete clean local repo is also kinda horrible as a small commit will now take 10 minutes or so to download deps just so a 15second build could fail. That feels WRONG. Living without SNAPSHOTs should include the CI server, otherwise you're just (IMHO) lying to yourself about not using SNAPSHOTs. [1] http://www.theoryinpractice.net/post/76092272646/intra-repository-review-builds-with-gerrit-and-apache On 18 Jun 2014, at 15:05, Barrie Treloar wrote: Your CI should know that project B depends upon A. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: A thought on local-SNAPSHOTs
On 18 June 2014 13:48, Mark Derricutt m...@talios.com wrote: You assume CI servers have intelligence and deep knowledge of Maven. Or that you have deep control over their configuration. You can't do that with Travis CI, nor with Code-review tools such as Gerrit ( not cleanly, not without doing evil things with maven configs like I mention in [1] ). Starting from a complete clean local repo is also kinda horrible as a small commit will now take 10 minutes or so to download deps just so a 15second build could fail. That feels WRONG. It takes a small (but not negligible) amount of time to haul the release jars from you local Maven Repository - likely also hosted on your CI server. Plus pulling in any snapshots previously deployed. I'm not familiar enough your tools, or workflow. If your CI server can't work out that two projects share a dependency relationship are in the build queue then you are left with manual workarounds. Sharing a local maven cache (~/.m2/repo) feels wrong for two independent projects. And if they are dependent they should be built together in the same reactor project. You can manually wait for build-success to be received from the build server before you checkin Project B. As for review, if they are independent why do they need to be reviewed together? Perhaps rethinking the workflow is an option?
