subject:"Using fluido once available"

Indeed it looks a bit awkward having trunk/branches besides
forms/legacy. But it just indicates that the latter directories seem to
be misplaced so far.

I'd suggest moving the contents of legacy to ../archive, and introduce a
new folder ../resources where we move the forms directory to.

- René

Am 22.11.12 13:27, schrieb Lukasz Lenart:
 2012/11/22 Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.org:
 2012/11/22 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com:
 eh couldnt wait and have started.. but one question. The folders
 legacy and forms, are they part of the site and need to be moved
 to trunk or can they remain where they currently are?

 I think they can stay where they are now. At some point we should
 clean up a bit the repo - move forms to some legal folder and remove
 legacy
 
 Martin and Rene please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
 
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Re: Using fluido once available

I applied the moves suggested in my former mail.

Am 27.11.12 16:08, schrieb Rene Gielen:
 Indeed it looks a bit awkward having trunk/branches besides
 forms/legacy. But it just indicates that the latter directories seem to
 be misplaced so far.
 
 I'd suggest moving the contents of legacy to ../archive, and introduce a
 new folder ../resources where we move the forms directory to.
 
 - René
 
 Am 22.11.12 13:27, schrieb Lukasz Lenart:
 2012/11/22 Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.org:
 2012/11/22 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com:
 eh couldnt wait and have started.. but one question. The folders
 legacy and forms, are they part of the site and need to be moved
 to trunk or can they remain where they currently are?

 I think they can stay where they are now. At some point we should
 clean up a bit the repo - move forms to some legal folder and remove
 legacy

 Martin and Rene please correct me if I'm wrong.


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Re: Using fluido once available

Changing it to
footer
div class=row span12
Apache Struts, Struts, Apache, the Apache feather logo, and the
Apache Struts
project logos are trademarks of The Apache Software Foundation.
/div
/footer

imo looks more appropriate - there still seems to be some css weirdness
though...

Am 26.11.12 23:28, schrieb Johannes Geppert:
 p#169; 2005-2011 The Apache Software Foundation - Apache Struts,
 Struts, Apache, the Apache feather logo, and the Apache Struts project
 logos are trademarks of The Apache Software Foundation./p

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Re: Using fluido once available

Am 26.11.12 22:41, schrieb Martin Cooper:
 On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Lukasz Lenart 
 lukaszlen...@apache.orgwrote:
 
 2012/11/25 Johannes Geppert jo...@apache.org:
 What others think about shrinking a little bit the menu and some Content?

 +1 :-)

 
 Depends on what you mean by shrink. We have people (e.g. Link, very
 recently) who don't seem to be able to find stuff on our menu, so making it
 smaller will not help at all. On the other hand, reducing the number of
 items would undoubtedly help.
 
 

I have to admit that the sheer amount of information both in the main
menu and certain pages is what it makes hard for me to find something -
even given that I'm involved with the site for some years now. While
e.g. it is educative to hear about mailing list policies first, the
actual information how to subscribe is buried under piles of letters ...
and most of nowadays users seem to have an attention span not lasting
longer than three paragraphs before they give up reading. At least the
mailing list moderation experience seems to indicate that.

Basically I think that careful reduction and hierarchical organization
of information helps to succeed getting our messages between our site
reader's ears.

That said, reducing the main menu would be good first step in my opinion.



 1.) The Roadmap FAQ is really outdated!
 We can update it, delete it or reference it to the current Struts3 Wiki
 Page

 I think we can remove that page, even if we plan S3 there is not too
 much to write - Struts 2 done better :-)

 
 A roadmap can be very useful, but it needs people committed to maintaining
 it. I think Ted was probably the only one who did this for an extended
 period. We should just remove it if we don't have something useful to say.
 
 

+1 - unless there is valid maintained content, we should remove the
roadmap FAQ. If at a later point we want to add up to date roadmap
information again, we might consider to call it simply Roadmap rather
than Roadmap FAQ.


 2.) What is the mining of the Project Minutes ? Last update is from
 2008!

 I think it would be nice to put here Reports to the ASF Board which
 Rene prepares, it's important to see what's going on with the project,
 thus will overtake Roadmap FAQ

 
 The board minutes are a matter of public record, and are always published.
 See:
 
 http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html
 
 It's not easy to find the Struts reports in that (e.g. you need to know our
 schedule), so I'd be okay with re-publishing, if we think we'll keep it up
 to date. But we should copy from the board minutes, rather than our list,
 to be sure we capture accurately what the board accepted.
 
 

I'm not sure if the board level reports - in this particular form - are
of widespread interest, neither do they replace well maintained news
content. Given that we had to implement a solution to automatically
extract the content from the approved reports, as Martin stated, I
wonder if this is worth the effort. A news section with targeted
information bits might be a more relevant way to go, as long at it is
well maintained.

E.g., I could imagine snippets like
- Struts Users Facebook Site hits 1.000.000 likes
- Struts Downloads peeked with the release of 4.0.1
- Externally maintained Struts 2 BootQueryNateStrap-Plugin version 9.8.7
released
- Appfuse 20.12 now with Struts2 LiquidDiamondAngular Theme support baked in
- ApacheCon NA 2015 to feature five Struts 4 talks
- John Doe has written an interesting blog post on Configuration over
Convention in Struts 4

As for the noteworthy stuff assembled into the quarterly board report, I
could volunteer to add a rehash-and-update-site workflow at around the
time the report is submitted. But I think more voluntary help would be
needed to keep such a news stream relevant.

If we go for adding approved board reports, the Development-Minutes
section would have to be filled with life again. If not, we should
consider removing it.


 3.) Maybe we can create on Page for the Related and Similar Projects?
 This would make the Menu much more cleaner.

 +1

 
 Frankly, I think we should drop related and similar projects. There is no
 meaningful determination of what does, or does not, make it into either
 list.


+1 as well - besides, the linked Apache projects seems to have nothing
alike any more (at least Wicket / Tapestry last time I checked).

I'd vote to drop
- Related Projects
- Similar Projects
- Java 5 for Struts 1 (Strecks)

 

 4.) The Link to Our Blogs looks also really outdated! Last Entry is
 from
 2008.
 http://people.apache.org/~rubys/planet/struts/

 We can add few new, like your :-)

 
 That planet link is long-obsolete. See instead:
 
 http://blogs.apache.org/
 


Since there isn't too much going on regarding Struts even at blogs.a.o,
I'm in favor for dropping the Our Blogs link.


 5.) Is the Struts Sourceforge active? Never heard about it.
 http://struts.sourceforge.net/

 I've been using it some times ago, but not any more but I

Re: Using fluido once available

2012-11-27 Thread Johannes Geppert

determination of what does, or does not, make it into either
list.

+1 as well - besides, the linked Apache projects seems to have nothing
alike any more (at least Wicket / Tapestry last time I checked).

I'd vote to drop
- Related Projects
- Similar Projects
- Java 5 for Struts 1 (Strecks)

4.) The Link to Our Blogs looks also really outdated! Last Entry is
from
2008.
http://people.apache.org/~rubys/planet/struts/

We can add few new, like your :-)

That planet link is long-obsolete. See instead:

http://blogs.apache.org/

Since there isn't too much going on regarding Struts even at blogs.a.o,
I'm in favor for dropping the Our Blogs link.

5.) Is the Struts Sourceforge active? Never heard about it.
http://struts.sourceforge.net/

I've been using it some times ago, but not any more but I think it
should stay :-)

Yeah, it should stay. It's where we can point non-committers to check in
Struts-related code, if they so wish.

Hmm - diving a bit into http://struts.sourceforge.net/, frankly it looks
like a zombie to me. All Getting Involved - Repository links (CVS) I
tried were broken. Is there any recent activity? Wouldn't it be better
to link https://github.com/apache/struts2 instead? It should at least be
linked in addition.

Additional thoughts:
- we should not only incorporate the twitter button but also G+ and
Facebook buttons pointing to the respective Struts pages.
- Development-Source Code and Development-Source Repository should be
merged
- dropping pages does not necessarily mean removing them - as for
historic reference (and bookmarks), those pages might still be deployed
but no longer referenced from the menu

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Re: Using fluido once available

2012-11-27 Thread Martin Cooper

, the Development-Minutes
section would have to be filled with life again. If not, we should
consider removing it.

3.) Maybe we can create on Page for the Related and Similar Projects?
This would make the Menu much more cleaner.

Frankly, I think we should drop related and similar projects. There is
no
meaningful determination of what does, or does not, make it into either
list.

+1 as well - besides, the linked Apache projects seems to have nothing
alike any more (at least Wicket / Tapestry last time I checked).

I'd vote to drop
- Related Projects
- Similar Projects
- Java 5 for Struts 1 (Strecks)

4.) The Link to Our Blogs looks also really outdated! Last Entry is
from
2008.
http://people.apache.org/~rubys/planet/struts/

We can add few new, like your :-)

That planet link is long-obsolete. See instead:

http://blogs.apache.org/

Since there isn't too much going on regarding Struts even at blogs.a.o,
I'm in favor for dropping the Our Blogs link.

5.) Is the Struts Sourceforge active? Never heard about it.
http://struts.sourceforge.net/

I've been using it some times ago, but not any more but I think it
should stay :-)

Yeah, it should stay. It's where we can point non-committers to check
in
Struts-related code, if they so wish.

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Re: Using fluido once available

2012-11-27 Thread Lukasz Lenart

2012/11/28 Martin Cooper mart...@apache.org:
 Why are we supporting commercial enterprises from our site? As a 501(c)3
 organisation, are we allowed to do that?

Hmmm we should ask somebody as I have no idea how it works in US.


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Am 28.11.12 06:14, schrieb Martin Cooper:
 On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Johannes Geppert jo...@apache.org wrote:
 
 It looks there is a broad agreement related to the projects links and the
 Roadmap FAQ.
 So i have dropped it from the site.

 Also I have added a Facebook and G+ Integration beside the Twitter
 Integration.
 Looks like this is our current News Section. ;-)

 
 Why are we supporting commercial enterprises from our site? As a 501(c)3
 organisation, are we allowed to do that?
 

We have an official Twitter account - @TheApacheStruts - which we use
to spread news about Struts and to interact with our community. Just
like @TheASF, @TheApacheTomcat or @ApacheJames.

On Facebook, there is as well a page voluntarily maintained by Struts
PMC members, called Struts2 Users. Objective: spreading and dispatching
news, interacting with the community. Currently 1400+ likes aka
followers. See:
https://www.facebook.com/apachestruts

On G+, there is again an page voluntarily maintained by Struts PMC
members, called Apache Struts. Objective: spreading and dispatching
news, interacting with the community. Currently more than 3700 people
are following. See:
https://plus.google.com/+ApacheStruts/posts
See also on G+: Apache Software Foundation, Apache TomEE

The idea is to link this pages to our site just like we did with the
twitter account in the branch (and other Apache projects do as well on
their front page).

So how is this supporting commercial enterprises? One could argue that
we are using (free) services of commercial companies, yes. We do that
all the time at Apache. I fail to see how this is promoting Twitter,
Google or Facebook as companies. Ironically, the latter two are getting
prominent ASF support since they are platinum sponsors:
http://apache.org/foundation/thanks.html

Linking to Struts related resources on Twitter, G+ or Facebook is as
much of a support for commercial enterprises as linking to Struts
Sourceforge is or Struts GitHub would be - free community resources
offered and hosted free of charge by a commercial enterprise like
SourceForge and GitHub.

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Re: Using fluido once available

2012-11-26 Thread Lukasz Lenart

2012/11/25 Johannes Geppert jo...@apache.org:
 What others think about shrinking a little bit the menu and some Content?

+1 :-)

 1.) The Roadmap FAQ is really outdated!
 We can update it, delete it or reference it to the current Struts3 Wiki Page

I think we can remove that page, even if we plan S3 there is not too
much to write - Struts 2 done better :-)

 2.) What is the mining of the Project Minutes ? Last update is from 2008!

I think it would be nice to put here Reports to the ASF Board which
Rene prepares, it's important to see what's going on with the project,
thus will overtake Roadmap FAQ

 3.) Maybe we can create on Page for the Related and Similar Projects?
 This would make the Menu much more cleaner.

+1

 4.) The Link to Our Blogs looks also really outdated! Last Entry is from
 2008.
 http://people.apache.org/~rubys/planet/struts/

We can add few new, like your :-)

 5.) Is the Struts Sourceforge active? Never heard about it.
 http://struts.sourceforge.net/

I've been using it some times ago, but not any more but I think it
should stay :-)


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Re: Using fluido once available

2012-11-26 Thread Martin Cooper

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.orgwrote:

 2012/11/25 Johannes Geppert jo...@apache.org:
  What others think about shrinking a little bit the menu and some Content?

 +1 :-)


Depends on what you mean by shrink. We have people (e.g. Link, very
recently) who don't seem to be able to find stuff on our menu, so making it
smaller will not help at all. On the other hand, reducing the number of
items would undoubtedly help.



  1.) The Roadmap FAQ is really outdated!
  We can update it, delete it or reference it to the current Struts3 Wiki
 Page

 I think we can remove that page, even if we plan S3 there is not too
 much to write - Struts 2 done better :-)


A roadmap can be very useful, but it needs people committed to maintaining
it. I think Ted was probably the only one who did this for an extended
period. We should just remove it if we don't have something useful to say.



  2.) What is the mining of the Project Minutes ? Last update is from
 2008!

 I think it would be nice to put here Reports to the ASF Board which
 Rene prepares, it's important to see what's going on with the project,
 thus will overtake Roadmap FAQ


The board minutes are a matter of public record, and are always published.
See:

http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html

It's not easy to find the Struts reports in that (e.g. you need to know our
schedule), so I'd be okay with re-publishing, if we think we'll keep it up
to date. But we should copy from the board minutes, rather than our list,
to be sure we capture accurately what the board accepted.



  3.) Maybe we can create on Page for the Related and Similar Projects?
  This would make the Menu much more cleaner.

 +1


Frankly, I think we should drop related and similar projects. There is no
meaningful determination of what does, or does not, make it into either
list.



  4.) The Link to Our Blogs looks also really outdated! Last Entry is
 from
  2008.
  http://people.apache.org/~rubys/planet/struts/

 We can add few new, like your :-)


That planet link is long-obsolete. See instead:

http://blogs.apache.org/



  5.) Is the Struts Sourceforge active? Never heard about it.
  http://struts.sourceforge.net/

 I've been using it some times ago, but not any more but I think it
 should stay :-)


Yeah, it should stay. It's where we can point non-committers to check in
Struts-related code, if they so wish.

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Re: Using fluido once available

2012-11-26 Thread Johannes Geppert

@Christian

The Footer must be inside of an Element, like this:

footerp#169; 2005-2011 The Apache Software Foundation - Apache Struts,
Struts, Apache, the Apache feather logo, and the Apache Struts project
logos are trademarks of The Apache Software Foundation./p/footer

But when I try this, I got two footer texts. The one from Fluido Skin and
the defined.

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On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Lukasz Lenart [hidden
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2012/11/25 Johannes Geppert [hidden
email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=5711179i=1:

What others think about shrinking a little bit the menu and some
Content?

+1 :-)

Depends on what you mean by shrink. We have people (e.g. Link, very
recently) who don't seem to be able to find stuff on our menu, so making
it
smaller will not help at all. On the other hand, reducing the number of
items would undoubtedly help.

1.) The Roadmap FAQ is really outdated!
We can update it, delete it or reference it to the current Struts3
Wiki
Page

I think we can remove that page, even if we plan S3 there is not too
much to write - Struts 2 done better :-)

A roadmap can be very useful, but it needs people committed to maintaining
it. I think Ted was probably the only one who did this for an extended
period. We should just remove it if we don't have something useful to say.

2.) What is the mining of the Project Minutes ? Last update is from
2008!

I think it would be nice to put here Reports to the ASF Board which
Rene prepares, it's important to see what's going on with the project,
thus will overtake Roadmap FAQ

The board minutes are a matter of public record, and are always published.
See:

http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html

It's not easy to find the Struts reports in that (e.g. you need to know
our
schedule), so I'd be okay with re-publishing, if we think we'll keep it up
to date. But we should copy from the board minutes, rather than our list,
to be sure we capture accurately what the board accepted.

3.) Maybe we can create on Page for the Related and Similar Projects?
This would make the Menu much more cleaner.

Frankly, I think we should drop related and similar projects. There is no
meaningful determination of what does, or does not, make it into either
list.

4.) The Link to Our Blogs looks also really outdated! Last Entry is
from
2008.
http://people.apache.org/~rubys/planet/struts/

We can add few new, like your :-)

That planet link is long-obsolete. See instead:

http://blogs.apache.org/

5.) Is the Struts Sourceforge active? Never heard about it.
http://struts.sourceforge.net/

I've been using it some times ago, but not any more but I think it
should stay :-)

Yeah, it should stay. It's where we can point non-committers to check in
Struts-related code, if they so wish.

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2012-11-25 Thread Johannes Geppert

Thanks for starting the branch Christian!

What others think about shrinking a little bit the menu and some Content?

1.) The Roadmap FAQ is really outdated!
We can update it, delete it or reference it to the current Struts3 Wiki Page

2.) What is the mining of the Project Minutes ? Last update is from 2008!

3.) Maybe we can create on Page for the Related and Similar Projects?
This would make the Menu much more cleaner.

4.) The Link to Our Blogs looks also really outdated! Last Entry is from
2008.
http://people.apache.org/~rubys/planet/struts/

5.) Is the Struts Sourceforge active? Never heard about it.
http://struts.sourceforge.net/

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eh couldnt wait and have started.. but one question. The folders
legacy and forms, are they part of the site and need to be moved
to trunk or can they remain where they currently are?

I think they can stay where they are now. At some point we should
clean up a bit the repo - move forms to some legal folder and remove
legacy

I just committed the fluido things! :-)
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/site/branches/site2fluidomigration

The usual mvn site should do the trick.
I saw the footer from site.xml is ignored. Its still showing the old
one, which is not good from branding perspective. Hopefully I find a
way to improve it. Or somebody else

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Re: Using fluido once available

2012-11-23 Thread Christian Grobmeier

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.org wrote:
 2012/11/22 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com:
 eh couldnt wait and have started.. but one question. The folders
 legacy and forms, are they part of the site and need to be moved
 to trunk or can they remain where they currently are?

 I think they can stay where they are now. At some point we should
 clean up a bit the repo - move forms to some legal folder and remove
 legacy

I just committed the fluido things! :-)
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/site/branches/site2fluidomigration

The usual mvn site should do the trick.
I saw the footer from site.xml is ignored. Its still showing the old
one, which is not good from branding perspective. Hopefully I find a
way to improve it. Or somebody else

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Christian could you prepare a patch for what have you done so far ? I
would like update the main webpage with the new look :-)
Even if not everything is perfect it would nice to show people a
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Re: Using fluido once available

2012-11-22 Thread Christian Grobmeier

Hi,

oh i almost forgot about that.

I have it on my disk, currently pointing to:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/site

it has not been updated with the recent developments. I am willing to help.
In order to do so, would it be better to make a new site-branch? i
could then try to merge my stuff, relocate, and commit to the new
branch. Then we might be able to tweak it until it fits.

Cheers
Christian

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.org wrote:
 Christian could you prepare a patch for what have you done so far ? I
 would like update the main webpage with the new look :-)
 Even if not everything is perfect it would nice to show people a
 movement and expect theirs feedback.


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Re: Using fluido once available

2012/11/22 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com:
 I have it on my disk, currently pointing to:
 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/site

 it has not been updated with the recent developments. I am willing to help.
 In order to do so, would it be better to make a new site-branch? i
 could then try to merge my stuff, relocate, and commit to the new
 branch. Then we might be able to tweak it until it fits.

Maybe move the current source to trunk (trunk need to be created) and
add your version under branch (as well have to be created) so at the
end we will have a common Svn layout

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/site/
|-- trunk
|-- branches


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Re: Using fluido once available

2012-11-22 Thread Christian Grobmeier

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.org wrote:
 2012/11/22 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com:
 I have it on my disk, currently pointing to:
 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/site

 it has not been updated with the recent developments. I am willing to help.
 In order to do so, would it be better to make a new site-branch? i
 could then try to merge my stuff, relocate, and commit to the new
 branch. Then we might be able to tweak it until it fits.

 Maybe move the current source to trunk (trunk need to be created) and
 add your version under branch (as well have to be created) so at the
 end we will have a common Svn layout

 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/site/
 |-- trunk
 |-- branches

Makes sense. Let's do it like that.
I have made a local update on what I have, its just a few conflicts. I
surely can deal with them.

Today is a bit tight as I am giving a talk on Dartlang, but I will do
that tomorrow

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Re: Using fluido once available

2012-11-22 Thread Christian Grobmeier

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.org 
 wrote:
 2012/11/22 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com:
 I have it on my disk, currently pointing to:
 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/site

 it has not been updated with the recent developments. I am willing to help.
 In order to do so, would it be better to make a new site-branch? i
 could then try to merge my stuff, relocate, and commit to the new
 branch. Then we might be able to tweak it until it fits.

 Maybe move the current source to trunk (trunk need to be created) and
 add your version under branch (as well have to be created) so at the
 end we will have a common Svn layout

 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/site/
 |-- trunk
 |-- branches

eh couldnt wait and have started.. but one question. The folders
legacy and forms, are they part of the site and need to be moved
to trunk or can they remain where they currently are?

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Re: Using fluido once available

2012/11/22 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com:
 eh couldnt wait and have started.. but one question. The folders
 legacy and forms, are they part of the site and need to be moved
 to trunk or can they remain where they currently are?

I think they can stay where they are now. At some point we should
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Re: Using fluido once available

2012/11/22 Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.org:
 2012/11/22 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com:
 eh couldnt wait and have started.. but one question. The folders
 legacy and forms, are they part of the site and need to be moved
 to trunk or can they remain where they currently are?

 I think they can stay where they are now. At some point we should
 clean up a bit the repo - move forms to some legal folder and remove
 legacy

Martin and Rene please correct me if I'm wrong.


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Re: Using fluido once available

2011-11-30 Thread Łukasz Lenart

2011/11/29 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com:
 Hello all,

 here is a new draft:
 http://code.grobmeier.de/struts-draft-v3/

Looks nice :-)

 * Lukasz mentioned the content is fixed size. This is now fixed (fluid)
 :-). We run again into the doxia problems, but i have worked around them.

Is it possible to have a top limit ? eg. 1024px ? ;-)

 * Lukasz mentioned the heading are not good at all (the same as the first
 sentence of the following paragraph)

Can be easily improved, but it can stay as is now

 * Next links on the bottom: i think they are pretty useless. After the
 frontpage the next link is showing the downloads. It should lead through
 a tutorial, not the standard menu of the page. And it stops on the
 Kickstart FAQ. I highly doubt the sense of this link and would like to
 remove them for sake of minimalism, but of course it is up to you. I have
 left it in until this is discussed. I can live with discussing them after
 the first patch

+1

 * Text. It is way to much text on the front page. On the frontpage should
 be less txt, pointing you to the detail pages. Frontpage is to guide you
 through the site. Imho this is not the case. The current information should
 go into another page, the front page should only contain a teaser and a
 link to this section

Maybe just reduce the lines of the text and the rest move to separate pages

 * Search: yes or no? I would not use it anyway because I don't like that
 google styled search. Martin expressed similar. How do others think?

I never used it, so +1

 * Remove announcements page? This page is not cared very well. Of course
 this is no styling issue, but while we are at it, we could remove it. The
 other chance is to care about the page.

What you mean by that ? Each time a new release is promoted we put
info to the announcements page, IMHO it should stay as is, it shows
clearly what's happened

 * Release notes cannot be found easily. Martin said it is in the first
 section, but I actually mean this page:
 http://struts.apache.org/downloads.html I could not find the release notes
 of prior releases easily. There is this changes maven plugin which
 generates a simple page of changes:
 http://logging.apache.org/log4php/changes-report.html
 I found it pretty hard to check what changed in which version (and what
 probably broke in which version)

Disagree, you can select given version which leads you to download
section and there you have a link to release notes, which are
something more than just list of fixed issues

http://struts.apache.org/2.2.3.1/docs/version-notes-2231.html

 Most of the discuss items can be discussed later. I think i have started
 to many things with the fluido update. Now I have left most as it was
 before, with a few exceptions. If you agree to v3, I can look through the
 other pages if there needs to be something done and create a patch.
 After the patch we can discuss the other items, if you like.

+1


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Re: Using fluido once available

2011-11-30 Thread Maurizio Cucchiara

Hi all,
I would have liked to be more involved in that discussion, but
unfortunately I have been very busy.
So, sorry in advance if I will miss something.
First I would like to say that:
1. the new site looks very good
2. as Martin already said and according with the stats [1], struts website
attracts every day many users, so we cannot ignore accessibility.

* added color for visited links. I don't like them, but Martin explained
 it might be useful for voice commands. No clue about it, this can be
 discussed later if other people don't like it (like me)


Regarding the visit link, I don't like them too, but we should take into
consideration people with a cognitive disability or brain injury, visited
link may reduce the memory load. An useful link [2]

[1] http://people.apache.org/~vgritsenko/stats/projects/struts
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Re: Using fluido once available

2011-11-30 Thread Maurizio Cucchiara

It's very hard to think that next link provides a good tour of the struts
features (I'm pretty sure it got lost over the years), and then what
features should it describe: Struts 2 or Struts 1?

If there is one thing that I have never considered clean on the website is
the S1-S2 distinction. I think that it is very hard to the new user
understanding where they are going to go.

IMO the first page should provide to the user, the chose of one of the two
paths before anything else.

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On 29 November 2011 10:32, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:

 * Next links on the bottom: i think they are pretty useless. After the
 frontpage the next link is showing the downloads. It should lead through
 a tutorial, not the standard menu of the page. And it stops on the
 Kickstart FAQ. I highly doubt the sense of this link and would like to
 remove them for sake of minimalism, but of course it is up to you. I have
 left it in until this is discussed. I can live with discussing them after
 the first patch

Re: Using fluido once available

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Maurizio Cucchiara
mcucchi...@apache.org wrote:
 It's very hard to think that next link provides a good tour of the struts
 features (I'm pretty sure it got lost over the years), and then what
 features should it describe: Struts 2 or Struts 1?

 If there is one thing that I have never considered clean on the website is
 the S1-S2 distinction. I think that it is very hard to the new user
 understanding where they are going to go.

 IMO the first page should provide to the user, the chose of one of the two
 paths before anything else.

Very much +1.
It confused me too when I started with Struts 2 (i have used Struts 1 ages ago).

I have currently no idea, but how can we cooperate on our ideas? Is
there a Struts Sandbox for non-committer access with asf account?

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 * Next links on the bottom: i think they are pretty useless. After the
 frontpage the next link is showing the downloads. It should lead through
 a tutorial, not the standard menu of the page. And it stops on the
 Kickstart FAQ. I highly doubt the sense of this link and would like to
 remove them for sake of minimalism, but of course it is up to you. I have
 left it in until this is discussed. I can live with discussing them after
 the first patch




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Re: Using fluido once available

Hello,

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Maurizio Cucchiara
mcucchi...@apache.org wrote:
 1. the new site looks very good
 2. as Martin already said and according with the stats [1], struts website
 attracts every day many users, so we cannot ignore accessibility.

this was actually not my intention and I agree of course :-)

 * added color for visited links. I don't like them, but Martin explained
 it might be useful for voice commands. No clue about it, this can be
 discussed later if other people don't like it (like me)

 Regarding the visit link, I don't like them too, but we should take into
 consideration people with a cognitive disability or brain injury, visited
 link may reduce the memory load. An useful link [2]

They are already in with v3 of the site. Probably you don#t see it,
because it is only one page. But if you click on the links directly
beyond the hero section it should show you the visited color

Cheers
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Re: Using fluido once available

2011/11/30 Łukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com:
 * Lukasz mentioned the content is fixed size. This is now fixed (fluid)
 :-). We run again into the doxia problems, but i have worked around them.

 Is it possible to have a top limit ? eg. 1024px ? ;-)

Oh dear - your ideas :-)

But actually there is a chance as I just googled:
http://www.css4you.de/max-width.html

It should work with that. Will give it a try later

 * Text. It is way to much text on the front page. On the frontpage should
 be less txt, pointing you to the detail pages. Frontpage is to guide you
 through the site. Imho this is not the case. The current information should
 go into another page, the front page should only contain a teaser and a
 link to this section

 Maybe just reduce the lines of the text and the rest move to separate pages

+1.
Maurizio might have some ideas on that

 * Remove announcements page? This page is not cared very well. Of course
 this is no styling issue, but while we are at it, we could remove it. The
 other chance is to care about the page.

 What you mean by that ? Each time a new release is promoted we put
 info to the announcements page, IMHO it should stay as is, it shows
 clearly what's happened

http://struts.apache.org/announce.html
I know what you mean now - I didn't see the go to announcments 2010,
2009 etc links
I thought there was only one entry on it. I step back from my opinion
here. Lets leave it as it is now

 * Release notes cannot be found easily. Martin said it is in the first
 section, but I actually mean this page:
 http://struts.apache.org/downloads.html I could not find the release notes
 of prior releases easily. There is this changes maven plugin which
 generates a simple page of changes:
 http://logging.apache.org/log4php/changes-report.html
 I found it pretty hard to check what changed in which version (and what
 probably broke in which version)

 Disagree, you can select given version which leads you to download
 section and there you have a link to release notes, which are
 something more than just list of fixed issues

From struts.apache.org I clicked to relases:
http://struts.apache.org/downloads.html

Then I choose version 2.2.1:
http://struts.apache.org/2.2.1/index.html

And I still don't see the release notes.
What am I missing?

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Re: Using fluido once available

2011-11-30 Thread Łukasz Lenart

2011/11/30 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com:
 * Release notes cannot be found easily. Martin said it is in the first
 section, but I actually mean this page:
 http://struts.apache.org/downloads.html I could not find the release notes
 of prior releases easily. There is this changes maven plugin which
 generates a simple page of changes:
 http://logging.apache.org/log4php/changes-report.html
 I found it pretty hard to check what changed in which version (and what
 probably broke in which version)

 Disagree, you can select given version which leads you to download
 section and there you have a link to release notes, which are
 something more than just list of fixed issues

 From struts.apache.org I clicked to relases:
 http://struts.apache.org/downloads.html

 Then I choose version 2.2.1:
 http://struts.apache.org/2.2.1/index.html

 And I still don't see the release notes.
 What am I missing?

You're talking about the Prior releases and I was talking about GA
releases [1] ;-)
If so, you're right, maybe adding a link to Release Notes would solve
the problem.

[1] http://struts.apache.org/download.cgi#struts2231


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