Re: old Mach32 and Mach64 servers

2003-08-14 Thread Alex Deucher
--- Dr Andrew C Aitchison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 There is a GATOS project to add 3D to those mach64 chips which
 support 3D; it has never been merged into the XFree86 driver.
 
 Xv may or may not have made it into the mach64 driver too.
 

GATOS develops the Xv and video in/out features of ATI cards.  the DRI
developers have added 3D support for mach64 (rage pro) chips (3D on the
older rage I/II/IIc is still not supported).  basic Xv support was
recently added to xfree86 cvs for mach 64.

Alex

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Re: old Mach32 and Mach64 servers

2003-08-14 Thread Alex Deucher
some mach64 mobility chips had a second crtc that was never supported. 
same thing with rage 128.  I'm not sure about the accel engine on
mach32, but I think mach64 is fairly well accelerated.  If you want the
databooks, register as a developer with ATI and request them (be
patient).  Also the old xfree86 3.x servers are a good reference for
old cards.

Alex

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 Hi,
 
 Can anyone tell me how good a job the old Mach32 and Mach64
 servers did of taking advantage of the hardware capabilities
 of their respective silicon engines? Put another way, were
 there capabilities in the silicon that we did not use? If
 there are transistors not pulling their weight, are docs
 available to remedy the situation should one be so inclined to
 do so?
 
 Thanks,
 
 kevin


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Re: old Mach32 and Mach64 servers

2003-08-14 Thread James Maddison
  
  There is a GATOS project to add 3D to those mach64 chips which
  support 3D; it has never been merged into the XFree86 driver.
  
  Xv may or may not have made it into the mach64 driver too.
  
 
 GATOS develops the Xv and video in/out features of ATI cards.  the DRI
 developers have added 3D support for mach64 (rage pro) chips (3D on the
 older rage I/II/IIc is still not supported).  basic Xv support was
 recently added to xfree86 cvs for mach 64.

One DRI developer makes a Xv/DRI merged driver available as well on his
website (can't remember where off of the top of my head). This is the
driver I use for my Mach64 and I think also the driver with the best
support for the Mach64 chipsets.

It would be very nice to see the Xv+DRI merged drivers made available
for X. If only some important soul within the XFree86 project with the
correct privileges has time to oversee the mergin off code into the
XFree86 main branch how nice that would be!

James
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Re: old Mach32 and Mach64 servers

2003-08-14 Thread Dr Andrew C Aitchison
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can anyone tell me how good a job the old Mach32 and Mach64
 servers did of taking advantage of the hardware capabilities
 of their respective silicon engines? Put another way, were
 there capabilities in the silicon that we did not use? If
 there are transistors not pulling their weight, are docs
 available to remedy the situation should one be so inclined to
 do so?

I don't have access to the docs, but there are many chipsets with the 
mach64 core, going from (iirc) isa to agp (or at least gart). Also iirc
it is used on laptop chipsets released after the radeon (ATI Mobility 
M1 springs to mind, but I can't easily confirm). Since these are based 
on the Mach64 they all use the mach64 driver although there possess
very different features.

There is a GATOS project to add 3D to those mach64 chips which
support 3D; it has never been merged into the XFree86 driver.

Xv may or may not have made it into the mach64 driver too.

-- 
Dr. Andrew C. Aitchison Computer Officer, DPMMS, Cambridge
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~werdna

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Re: old Mach32 and Mach64 servers

2003-08-14 Thread Tim Roberts
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 06:36:04 -0700 (PDT), Alex Deucher wrote:

some mach64 mobility chips had a second crtc that was never supported. 
same thing with rage 128.

Same thing with most of the Savage chips, because I couldn't see an easy way to 
support it.  Is this double-headed feature now common enough that there 
should be some kind of architectural support for it?  I'm not sure what that 
support would look like, but implementing it today seems an awful lot like a 
hack.

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