synaptics lockups (was Re: radeon lockups ...)
Warren Turkal wrote: Michel Dänzer wrote: In that case it can hardly be an X problem. Sounds rather like the kernel (anything interesting in its output? Does the same thing happen with 2.4 kernels?) or hardware. I am testing 4.2.1 at this point to see if I come up with the same issues as with 4.3.0. Warren Turkal I came up with the same issues as with 4.3. It turns out that I was running a not-the-latest version of the synaptics event driver for XFree86. I looked in the changelog of the newest one, and it claims to have a work around for a bug in XFree86 that could cause lockups. Does this bug still exist? Here is link to the driver: http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html I guess my personal suspicions that it was only locking while I was using the touchpad could have had some merit. I am sorry I did not mention that earlier. Is the synaptics driver to be included in XFree86 anytime soon since it is required with 2.6 kernels on computers with synaptics touchpads? You cannot use a regular ps2 mouse driver without lots of contortions (ie kernel options). Warren Turkal -- Treasurer, GOLUM, Inc. http://www.golum.org ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: synaptics lockups (was Re: radeon lockups ...)
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Warren Turkal wrote: In that case it can hardly be an X problem. Sounds rather like the kernel (anything interesting in its output? Does the same thing happen with 2.4 kernels?) or hardware. I am testing 4.2.1 at this point to see if I come up with the same issues as with 4.3.0. Warren Turkal I came up with the same issues as with 4.3. It turns out that I was running a not-the-latest version of the synaptics event driver for XFree86. I looked in the changelog of the newest one, and it claims to have a work around for a bug in XFree86 that could cause lockups. Does this bug still exist? Here is link to the driver: http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html I guess my personal suspicions that it was only locking while I was using the touchpad could have had some merit. I am sorry I did not mention that earlier. Is the synaptics driver to be included in XFree86 anytime soon since it is required with 2.6 kernels on computers with synaptics touchpads? You cannot use a regular ps2 mouse driver without lots of contortions (ie kernel options). It's GPL licensed unfortunately. Only MIT licensed code is accepted into XFree86, so this driver will never be included. That means once kernel 2.6 is standard, the majority of laptop users with synaptics touchpads will have to rely on their OS distribution to provide the GPL driver, or will have to compile it themselves. The only other option would be for someone to write a brand new driver for synaptics and license it as MIT, without looking at the GPL driver's source code. It's possible to do a clean room implementation, but I'm not sure if anyone would really want to bother when there's a working driver already. -- Mike A. Harris ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: synaptics lockups (was Re: radeon lockups ...)
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 02:04:00AM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: It's GPL licensed unfortunately. Only MIT licensed code is accepted into XFree86, so this driver will never be included. That means once kernel 2.6 is standard, the majority of laptop users with synaptics touchpads will have to rely on their OS distribution to provide the GPL driver, or will have to compile it themselves. The only other option would be for someone to write a brand new driver for synaptics and license it as MIT, without looking at the GPL driver's source code. It's possible to do a clean room implementation, but I'm not sure if anyone would really want to bother when there's a working driver already. Well, couldn't the upstream author just relicense it? -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org - http://www.kde.org - http://www.freedesktop.org Configurability is always the best choice when it's pretty simple to implement -- Havoc Pennington, gnome-list pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: synaptics lockups (was Re: radeon lockups ...)
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Daniel Stone wrote: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:30:58 +1000 From: Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mike A. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol=application/pgp-signature; boundary=qjNfmADvan18RZcF Subject: Re: synaptics lockups (was Re: radeon lockups ...) On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 02:04:00AM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: It's GPL licensed unfortunately. Only MIT licensed code is accepted into XFree86, so this driver will never be included. That means once kernel 2.6 is standard, the majority of laptop users with synaptics touchpads will have to rely on their OS distribution to provide the GPL driver, or will have to compile it themselves. The only other option would be for someone to write a brand new driver for synaptics and license it as MIT, without looking at the GPL driver's source code. It's possible to do a clean room implementation, but I'm not sure if anyone would really want to bother when there's a working driver already. Well, couldn't the upstream author just relicense it? That depends on wether or not the code is original code, or if it is a derivative of any other GPL sources. It's possible theoretically, but dependant on the history of the code, and also the author(s) wishes. -- Mike A. Harris ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: synaptics lockups (was Re: radeon lockups ...)
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Daniel Stone wrote: The only other option would be for someone to write a brand new driver for synaptics and license it as MIT, without looking at the GPL driver's source code. It's possible to do a clean room implementation, but I'm not sure if anyone would really want to bother when there's a working driver already. Well, couldn't the upstream author just relicense it? That depends on wether or not the code is original code, or if it is a derivative of any other GPL sources. It's possible theoretically, but dependant on the history of the code, and also the author(s) wishes. That was kind of implicit. To you perhaps, but not to everyone out there. Many people think you can just relicense code on a whim if you're the author, regardless of wether your work contains GPL'd bits from other things or not. -- Mike A. Harris ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: synaptics lockups (was Re: radeon lockups ...)
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 07:19:38AM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Daniel Stone wrote: On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 02:04:00AM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: It's GPL licensed unfortunately. Only MIT licensed code is accepted into XFree86, so this driver will never be included. That means once kernel 2.6 is standard, the majority of laptop users with synaptics touchpads will have to rely on their OS distribution to provide the GPL driver, or will have to compile it themselves. The only other option would be for someone to write a brand new driver for synaptics and license it as MIT, without looking at the GPL driver's source code. It's possible to do a clean room implementation, but I'm not sure if anyone would really want to bother when there's a working driver already. Well, couldn't the upstream author just relicense it? That depends on wether or not the code is original code, or if it is a derivative of any other GPL sources. It's possible theoretically, but dependant on the history of the code, and also the author(s) wishes. That was kind of implicit. -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org - http://www.kde.org - http://www.freedesktop.org Configurability is always the best choice when it's pretty simple to implement -- Havoc Pennington, gnome-list pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
