Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME on top of a distro [was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] krud? + X]
Damien Curtain [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: And thats going well... At least they tried. No one else has done better. Im not sure how in touch people here are with kernel development, because I wouldnt be rushing to stick the latest and greatest 2.4 kernel on any machine other than crash and burn machines, choose your 2.4 kernel very carefully, ask anyone who used 2.4.11... Good point and exactly why I thought to not use a standard RedHat release and instead favour a distro, like 'krud' or 'SGI XFS' that releases a bug patched kernel. In fact maybe a return to revisit SGI XFS is warranted. They have a tremendously large high availability server base and their kernel build is more thoroughly tested. Regards, -- Darrell May DMC Netsourced.com http://netsourced.com http://myEZserver.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME on top of a distro [was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] krud? + X]
Damien Curtain [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: And thats going well... At least they tried. No one else has done better. What has happened to axonlinux? -- Regards Brandon Friedman Product Manager Tech-Knowledgy Advantage Ph: +27 (011) 486-0626 Fax: +27 (011) 486-0629 Cell: +27 (083) 408-7840 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.techknowledgy.co.za PO Box 1909, Houghton, 2041 South Africa No. 1 Mowbray Road, Greenside, Johannesburg, South Africa Mitel Networks Authorized Partners -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME on top of a distro [was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] krud? + X]
I haven't had much trouble with Mandrake 8.1 systems other than their update system not being able to automatically install their kernel update. The things you get with it are built-in support for installing on raid, with or without LFS and all of the journal file systems, automatic device detection for things like USB ethernet adapters and wireless cards, and an install disk that works pretty well as a rescue disk and attempts to detect and mount existing partitions. Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Craig Foster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 4:44 AM To: Devinfo@E-Smith. Org Subject: RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME on top of a distro [was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] krud? + X] Anecdotal Evidence (tm) says that the RedHat 2.4.9 (includes patches) is the most reliable. (ie less panics _and_ page faults) I think the recent slashdot.org discussion also displayed a preference for RH2.4.9. So a stock Red Hat kernel isn't *that* bad after all :) I also think it's more appropriate to ask, What does 2.4.x bring to that table feature and reliability wise? For me, it's iptables and XFS/ext3/ReiserFS support. (Unless someone can show me a JFS for 2.2.x that works reliably and fits the e-smith^W Mitel model) Regards, Craig Foster -Original Message- From: Darrell May [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2002 5:05 PM To: Damien Curtain; Darrell May Cc: stephen noble; e-smith-devinfo Subject: Re: [e-smith-devinfo] SME on top of a distro [was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] krud? + X] Good point and exactly why I thought to not use a standard RedHat release and instead favour a distro, like 'krud' or 'SGI XFS' that releases a bug patched kernel. In fact maybe a return to revisit SGI XFS is warranted. They have a tremendously large high availability server base and their kernel build is more thoroughly tested. Regards, -- Darrell May DMC Netsourced.com http://netsourced.com http://myEZserver.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
RE: [e-smith-devinfo] SME on top of a distro [was Re: [e-smith-devinfo]krud? + X]
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Brandon Friedman wrote: Damien Curtain [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: And thats going well... At least they tried. No one else has done better. What has happened to axonlinux? Disappeared without a trace. -- Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lead Product Developer Network Server Solutions Grouphttp://www.e-smith.com/ Mitel Networks Corporationhttp://www.mitel.com/ Phone: +1 (613) 368 4376 or 564 8000 Fax: +1 (613) 564 7739 -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] krud? + X
Greg, 1) Some time back one of the devinfo folks supplied a link to an article detailing an sys-admins view of the 2.4 linux kernel. He put forward a really good argument against switching. I'm not proposing abandoning the idea of a newer kernel, just pointing out some food for thought. The biggest obstacle we have is that the 2.4 kernel does not currently support the masquerading of certain protocols. So if we were to move to the 2.4 kernel, we would lose the ability of someone to be behind an SME Server and make outbound connections to other servers using PPTP, IPSEC, RealAudio, H323, ICQ and more... The 2.2 kernel *does* support the masquerading of those protocols. So, for instance, I can have a laptop behind an SME Server running Windows, open up a PPTP connection to a server out on the Internet and... ta da... I am connected to that remote network in a secure VPN and can access resources there. My local SME Server just nicely masquerades the PPTP packets and makes the communication between my internal laptop and that external server seamless. With the 2.4 kernel, we lose that. People on the inside could NOT make connections to external servers through the SME Server using PPTP, nor could they use instant messaging via ICQ, or set up Netmeeting calls using H.323... or connect to RealAudio servers out there. Those masquerading modules are currently running on your SME Server (type 'lsmod' as root and you'll see them). They have not all yet, unfortunately, been ported to the 2.4 kernel. And that creates a real obstacle for people trying to act as a gateway... 2) In response to Stephens comment about adding X to SME: Wouldn't adding X-server functionality to SME point us down a different path than what SME was designed to do? Seems to me that if a sys admin saw a need to setup an X-server to service thin clients, then you'd want a machine dedicated to this task that sat behind your SME firewall. Am I off base here?? No, you're not off base. I agree completely. (But then, you would expect that, right, since I work for Mitel? ;-) Adding X to the server gets away from the simplicity. reliability. security. mantra that we have been repeating from the beginning of the product. Regards, Dan -- Dan York, Product Line Manager, SME Server and ServiceLink Mitel Networks Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: +1-613-751-4401 Cell: +1-613-263-4312 Fax: +1-613-564-7739 150 Metcalfe Street, Suite 1500, Ottawa,ON K2P 1P1 Canada http://www.mitel.com/sme/ and http://www.e-smith.com/ -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
Re: [e-smith-devinfo] krud? + X
I don't see that there would be any advantage. SME server is already based on RedHat with all applicable errata and updates applied. So what does krud buy us? X it would be easier to turn your pc into a terminal server http://sourceforge.net/projects/ltsp/ if SME is redhat +/- a few bits would you like to remind us briefly how difficult it would be to place SME on top of a redhat distro could you ? 1. install redhat/krud 2 insert a SME5.1.2 CD 2a. and run upgrade or 2b. run a script to update/add the rpms needed -to add the sme functions -fix/remove out of date/broken rpms regards stephen __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
[e-smith-devinfo] SME on top of a distro [was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] krud? + X]
stephen noble [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: would you like to remind us briefly how difficult it would be to place SME on top of a redhat distro If we take axonlinux as a project that has travelled this path already, they built a new distro iso. To be very brief they essentially took a disto (SGI XFS) and added all the e-smith rpms that the distro did not include by default. After that you dive under the hood and test what works, what doesn't work, modify the templates as appropriate, rebuild rpms that need updating, add new rpms, bundle and build into a new iso... and axonlinux was born. Skill level required to do the above is high but anyone with time and resources may challenge this. Unfortunately I am deeply involed in other major projects at the moment. If someone else would lead this project I will offer my assistance to get you going. I followed axonlinux and have enough knoweldge myself to be at least a resource that might know an answer or two ;- As time permits and as my schedule clears, I'll be happy to join in a more fuller capacity. Regards, -- Darrell May DMC Netsourced.com http://netsourced.com http://myEZserver.com -- Please report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (only) to discuss security issues Support for registered customers and partners to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives by mail and http://www.mail-archive.com/devinfo%40lists.e-smith.org
