Re: [DDN] why not googlegroups - Re: The future of DDN
Steven, You are right about only taking across 25% as a guesstimate. Also it can split the group as one tries to leave the old group running and then it somehow has its own momentum (with perhaps the remaining 75%). Also anyone taking on board social networking would do well to understand the whys and wherefores of that process. As someone who is a user on many if not almost all major social sites I would not wish to impose that on this group, even though it has great possibilities. I see one role of DDN as a gateway for people to come on board to the 21st Internet age. That means de facto it must be at least inclusive - and inclusiveness is is the definition of email-drive group discussion. As such it supports people on poor internet connections also it is extremely well understood by all reveling its ubiquitessness. Social sites on the other hand add functionality that can at least confuse novices and so their strength may also be their weakness. Another weakness of many existing social sites they tend to focus on an all-inclusive all-powerful all-embracing solutions. Ning is quite good in this way of enabling groups to run with cut down facilities, unfortunately I am yet to be convinced about Ning's email support since like most social sites what they really want is people logged onto their servers. (By constrast Grouply is one service that allows a total email service for those who wish it.) My recommended way forward towards social networking is for people to be able to add in bits as they gain confidence. Especially focussing on inclusive technologies. Foremost I would argue twitter (and its like) is a great social device for DDN enthusiasts. It has a simple interface, is very socially inclusive (including support for even those who do not have direct access to the web!!) That's one way forward. Andy On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Steven Clift s...@publicus.net wrote: Anyone know how big the current membership is and whether the current system can export out member directory data? No matter where it moves to (if it needs to), asking people to move will only bring over 25 percent of the folks. Whether it is GroupServer installed at http://groups.dowire.org or Yahoo or Google Groups, the key is ensure that participants may post via e-mail - both new topics and replies. Anything short of that might as well be launched as a new competitive thing for our attention on Ning or some other social networking platform. Cheers, Steven Clift ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. -- Andy http://www.tickertxt.org/ ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] why not googlegroups - Re: The future of DDN
Anyone know how big the current membership is and whether the current system can export out member directory data? No matter where it moves to (if it needs to), asking people to move will only bring over 25 percent of the folks. Whether it is GroupServer installed at http://groups.dowire.org or Yahoo or Google Groups, the key is ensure that participants may post via e-mail - both new topics and replies. Anything short of that might as well be launched as a new competitive thing for our attention on Ning or some other social networking platform. Cheers, Steven Clift ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] why not googlegroups - Re: The future of DDN
Claude Almansi wrote: Yes, the e-mail list is stifled. But isn't it because people hesitate to post to it because they don't know when the post will get through? Yes - and another silent witness here :-) I tend not to contribute to DDN for the above reason, however still follow discussions with interest - Seems to me this current thread on moderation might be overly comparing list moderation to the role of policeman or headmaster scolding noisy children. As a moderator with TechSoup, my experience lends to a suggestion that spam/ inappropriate post management is really a minor task (and as others have noted; easer to manage nowadays with the technical tools available); of more importance to moderation are tasks of maintaining list culture, supporting (and sometimes generating) discussions, ensuring the timeliness of posts and working to promote the lists and forums. Don ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] why not googlegroups - Re: The future of DDN
Hi All I agree with Nasira: On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 3:54 PM, nash gardezi [e-mail deleted] wrote: Discussions here are worth, we need a moderator, and to divide workload for the moderator we may have three four moderator who may coordinate amongst themselves and respond. regard Nasira Gardezi Senior Trainer Of course, it might be possible to let the back end of the hosting program take care of tech issues like huge attachments, vicious code etc., as Rene G. Abad suggested:. --- On Wed, 31/12/08, Rene G. Abad ren...@edsamail.com.ph wrote: From: Rene G. Abad [e-mail deleted] Subject: [DDN] why not googlegroups - Re: The future of DDN To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 11:51 AM hi all first of all a happy new year to everyone hope 2009 gives us a good ddn why not just unmoderate the group and let members just delete what they don't want and let google do the backend job for us regards to everyone rene y3k foundation But there is more to the correct use of this list than just tech issues in the FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions about the DIGITALDIVIDE Discussion Group elaborated by Andy Carvin http://www.digitaldivide.net/articles/view.php?ArticleID=54. See the parts about trimming messages and about copyrighted materials, for instance. Also, about Rene's change of subject line to why not googlegroups - and with apologies for repeating myself - there is a monoculture problem with choosing Google groups. Nowadays, choosing Google groups would be the same as if the Digital Divide Network had chosen MSN groups as a host when it started. This is why I expressed interest for Steven Cliff's http://forums.e-democracy.org/ proposal in a former message. Claude Almansi Geneva CH http://www.digitaldivide.net/profile/claude ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
