Re: [digitalradio] Re: I Apologize
Howard Brown wrote: Garrett, I have always wondered why the FCC allows this to happen. It seems to me that they are violating the rules. I have a similar question about Pactor 3. Can someone explain why it is allowed? My impression is that it is wider than 500 Hz and isn't that the maximum bandwidth? Howard K5HB Keep in mind that the enforcement resources of the FCC are pretty limited, and Pactor 3 is not all that ubiquitous. Just because the FCC doesn't put a stop to things like Pactor 3 being too wide, Pactor robot stations transmitting without listening, etc. does not mean that these things are legal. de Roger W6VZV
Re: [digitalradio] Re: I Apologize
Roger your beating a very dead horse. In just 41 days all the wide robots will have to be in their own sub-band. I sure hope this anti-wide stuff will stop soon. John, W0JAB Keep in mind that the enforcement resources of the FCC are pretty limited, and Pactor 3 is not all that ubiquitous. Just because the FCC doesn't put a stop to things like Pactor 3 being too wide, Pactor robot stations transmitting without listening, etc. does not mean that these things are legal. de Roger W6VZV Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] Re: I Apologize
John, At this time there is no strict limit on digital mode width except: 97.307 Emission standards. (f)(2)No non-phone emission shall exceed the bandwidth of a communications quality phone emission of the same modulation type. This refers primarily to the HF bands. Since the exact bandwidth of HF phone is not specified in the rules, this is not a hard and fast number either. Pactor 3 is completely legal in the U.S. at this time and will continue to be legal unless there is a major change in the rules. What is it that will affect wide bandwidth automatic stations after the first of the year? 73, Rick, KV9U John Becker, WØJAB wrote: Roger your beating a very dead horse. In just 41 days all the wide robots will have to be in their own sub-band. I sure hope this anti-wide stuff will stop soon. John, W0JAB Keep in mind that the enforcement resources of the FCC are pretty limited, and Pactor 3 is not all that ubiquitous. Just because the FCC doesn't put a stop to things like Pactor 3 being too wide, Pactor robot stations transmitting without listening, etc. does not mean that these things are legal. de Roger W6VZV
Re: [digitalradio] Re: I Apologize
John Becker, WØJAB wrote: Roger your beating a very dead horse. In just 41 days all the wide robots will have to be in their own sub-band. I sure hope this anti-wide stuff will stop soon. John, W0JAB You mean you hope that the anti-Pactor stuff will stop. But you have completely missed my point. Which was, to make it clearer, that merely because a given bad practice (e.g. Pactor stations transmitting without listening as a matter of policy) isn't immediately stamped out by the FCC, such inaction does not mean that the practice is legal. That is my point. Hope this helped you, John. ;-)
Re: [digitalradio] Re: I Apologize
Points taken. What about the times I and other have been up around 075 to 077 with KB to KB on one of the Pactor modes and without seeing any text someone starts calling CQ with one of the sound card modes? I did post a message about it a while back but I feel that once anyone saw the word pactor it was forgotten. It really sound like you are saying 2 wrongs make a right. The fact is (and I have said this a number of times) that the robot stations DO LISTEN, but just for other pactor stations. At 08:40 PM 11/20/2007, you wrote: You mean you hope that the anti-Pactor stuff will stop. But you have completely missed my point. Which was, to make it clearer, that merely because a given bad practice (e.g. Pactor stations transmitting without listening as a matter of policy) isn't immediately stamped out by the FCC, such inaction does not mean that the practice is legal. That is my point. Hope this helped you, John. ;-)
Re: [digitalradio] Re: I Apologize
John Becker, WØJAB wrote: Points taken. What about the times I and other have been up around 075 to 077 with KB to KB on one of the Pactor modes and without seeing any text someone starts calling CQ with one of the sound card modes? There is a difference. 1. In the last 5 years of operating I have not heard one single Pactor K-to-K QSO, so what you are describing is extremely rare. I know that it is; that is why I just gave away my SCS PTC-II modem. No one to talk to with it. Except for a very few, Pactor is not a QSO mode. It is less common on the digital modes as a QSO mode than old A.M. is on the phone bands. 2. What you are describing is not policy. In other words, while the Pactor people admit and are proud of the fact that they refuse to listen before transmitting, other amateurs do not deliberately do this as policy. Oh, the occasional careless Op may do it by accident, but not as policy. The Pactor people have made a deliberate decision to transmit without listening, other hams be darned. There is simply no excuse for deliberately deciding, as a matter of policy, not to listen before transmitting. What if there is emergency traffic on the frequency, for example. Again, I hope this helps you, John. de Roger W6VZV
