Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations system: pay for a feature
Hi Everyone, in any case (!) none has answered to my initial question and moreover has to be avoided changing the thread object and throw away one person's suggest or a simply discuss. So that now I have to renew my question with another all new post!!! Thank you! [OT] I have donate to LibreOffice some money and sure many of my time since 28.09.2010 to spread his use, to make it in mind to many people in Italy and in my local engineer professional association. In any case I think that resources like University Students, Google SoC, ... are and remain useful to both sides ;-) (TDF/Community/Users and Students themselfes). I also want to find an approved new feature list in TDF or LibreOffice site... Have all a sunny day, Carlo ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 16/05/2013 01.58, Steve Edmonds ha scritto: On 2013-05-16 07:45, Joel Madero wrote: Any payments and/or donations must be accounted for and if the person paying has any intent it to go to xyz, then by regulations we may need to account for that payment/donation and where it went to. That is the real problem with targeted donations and payments. There will be a mess in paperwork to deal with it. Opt in, opt out, What it was used for. Keeping track of all of who pays what, for what, can cost more than thepayment in paperwork and legal fees. This has been discussed quite a bit on user list and brought up during ESC at some point and I thought the consensus was we'll just let them do what they want and not endorse, support, etc... any of that. I thought that kept us out of legal muddy waters. It'd be similar to me just going to a friend who is a programmer and saying dude, can I pay you $100 to fix this issue - a contract completely out of TDF's hands. Best, Joel Would this paid for feature not then create a fork in the code, then are you committing to maintaining that branch until some time (may be never) that the branch feature is voted into the main code base. It seems a bit impractical when you have a continually evolving product to pay to add a feature unless you are assured it will be included in the main code base and maintained. Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations system: pay for a feature
Hi Charles, thank you very much but with approved new feature I meant next releases features that are not yet implemented but wanted features, wanted by Community and/or TDF. I have found something similar here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA in the Enhancement requests (experimental) link that take you here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement that is, obviously, a set of collected enhanced issues... I also remember that the initial pdf/a develop was done by an Italian developer... I think to be part of the big the digital preservation of electronic documents business is one of the good thing to pursuit. In the famous release plan page would be useful to put the features that TDF, Developer and Community intend to include in each version: if you want say it a featured road map, something like this: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/1.5.x_Roadmap Have a nice afternoon, Carlo ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 16/05/2013 10.50, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: Hello Carlo, Le jeudi 16 mai 2013 à 09:09 +0200, Carlo Strata a écrit : Hi Everyone, in any case (!) none has answered to my initial question and moreover has to be avoided changing the thread object and throw away one person's suggest or a simply discuss. So that now I have to renew my question with another all new post!!! Thank you! [OT] I have donate to LibreOffice some money and sure many of my time since 28.09.2010 to spread his use, to make it in mind to many people in Italy and in my local engineer professional association. Thank you a lot BTW! In any case I think that resources like University Students, Google SoC, ... are and remain useful to both sides ;-) (TDF/Community/Users and Students themselfes). I also want to find an approved new feature list in TDF or LibreOffice site... I think we do have what you are looking for: https://www.libreoffice.org/features/ (and linked pages from there) https://www.libreoffice.org/index.php/download/4-0-new-features-and-fixes/ and of course, the wiki pages: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0 Hope this helps, Charles. Have all a sunny day, Carlo ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 16/05/2013 01.58, Steve Edmonds ha scritto: On 2013-05-16 07:45, Joel Madero wrote: Any payments and/or donations must be accounted for and if the person paying has any intent it to go to xyz, then by regulations we may need to account for that payment/donation and where it went to. That is the real problem with targeted donations and payments. There will be a mess in paperwork to deal with it. Opt in, opt out, What it was used for. Keeping track of all of who pays what, for what, can cost more than thepayment in paperwork and legal fees. This has been discussed quite a bit on user list and brought up during ESC at some point and I thought the consensus was we'll just let them do what they want and not endorse, support, etc... any of that. I thought that kept us out of legal muddy waters. It'd be similar to me just going to a friend who is a programmer and saying dude, can I pay you $100 to fix this issue - a contract completely out of TDF's hands. Best, Joel Would this paid for feature not then create a fork in the code, then are you committing to maintaining that branch until some time (may be never) that the branch feature is voted into the main code base. It seems a bit impractical when you have a continually evolving product to pay to add a feature unless you are assured it will be included in the main code base and maintained. Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Are there some plans to extend PDF/A export to new versions of that standard in addition to PDF/A-1?
Hi Everyone, are there some plans to extend PDF/A export to new versions of that standard other than and in addition to PDF/A-1? I mean PDF/A-2 and PDF/A-3 that are already ISO standards: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A Nice Google SoC activity? ;-) Have All a sunny day, Carlo -- ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-users] [4.0.3.3 non fixed bug] Link with a space Pdf export error (%20 characters - space ones - exported as %2520 ones)
Hi Everyone, Tom: as you red in my previous post in the discuss list yesterday I have opened this issue: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64428 but, thanking to Andras Timar, I have closed it just now because it probably is an Adobe Acrobat Reader 11.0.2 bug/issue!!! Take a look at the comments in the bugs... Have All a nice eventing, Carlo ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 10/05/2013 15.11, Tom Davies ha scritto: Hi :) It might be good to keep the discussion to this thread on the Users List for now. Lets see what other people say and what bug-reports you find about this. Perhaps move it up the chain of command after that. I've just noticed that we have been cross-posting all this time. it's better to stick to 1 list at a time for most things. - so I don't see the reason to recursively (!!!) substitute the % character when an URL is input in LibreOffice because % itself is already an accepted one; A big +1 to that! I don't know why it's being done either. It makes no sense that it happens that way. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Carlo Strata carlo.str...@tiscali.it *To:* Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* Florian Reisinger reisi...@gmail.com; TDF, discuss discuss@documentfoundation.org; LibreOffice, users us...@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Friday, 10 May 2013, 9:03 *Subject:* Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-users] [4.0.3.3 non fixed bug] Link with a space Pdf export error (%20 characters - space ones - exported as %2520 ones) Hi Everyone, as I told yesterday in my first mail I will look for an already created issue and if not I will create it. When I make this? Now! ;-) In any case I will make you know what I do. @Tom: I think that: - on URLs, browsers - but maybe a behaviour stated on a well determined W3 Standard or similar open Consortium - substitute spaces with %20 hex character code; - %20 (!!!): that means that %, 2 and 0 are all (!) well admitted characters, all (!!!); - so I don't see the reason to recursively (!!!) substitute the % character when an URL is input in LibreOffice because % it self is already an accepted one; - another low probability hypotheses in my head was that LibreOffice translate the space on a full 16 bit space character coding, but your explain about %25 representing the % hex code, rapidly make me clear what was happened; - in any case (!), if you open the with-space link directly from a Writer document (ctrl+click for friends o chaps ;-) ) you will get the right page: in other words the link behave correctly! So the problem on pdf link behaviour has to be fixed in LibreOffice too!!! :-) But I do not think is a too hard to do, is not it? Now I will go to open or vote an existing issue and come back here soon. I think we could also to maintain only one discuss: I will suggest the tdf-discuss one, what do you think about? Have All a sunny day, Carlo I ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it mailto:carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu mailto:carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 10/05/2013 08.28, Tom Davies ha scritto: Hi :) I don't know if there is one for LibreOffice yet. People have tried to show me how to look things up in the bug-report place but for some reason i can never quite manage it myself. Also i'm not sure if just solving the problem in LibreOffice would make the problem go away. It seems to be further upstream with fairly major projects having to deal with it separately. is it possible to post a bug-report against the internet? Apols and regards form Tom :) From: Florian Reisinger reisi...@gmail.com mailto:reisi...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Carlo Strata carlo.str...@tiscali.it mailto:carlo.str...@tiscali.it; TDF, discuss discuss@documentfoundation.org mailto:discuss@documentfoundation.org; LibreOffice, users us...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:us...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 16:37 Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-users] [4.0.3.3 non fixed bug] Link with a space Pdf export error (%20 characters - space ones - exported as %2520 ones) Hi, Does a bug report exist
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-users] [4.0.3.3 non fixed bug] Link with a space Pdf export error (%20 characters - space ones - exported as %2520 ones)
Hi Everyone, as I told yesterday in my first mail I will look for an already created issue and if not I will create it. When I make this? Now! ;-) In any case I will make you know what I do. @Tom: I think that: - on URLs, browsers - but maybe a behaviour stated on a well determined W3 Standard or similar open Consortium - substitute spaces with %20 hex character code; - %20 (!!!): that means that %, 2 and 0 are all (!) well admitted characters, all (!!!); - so I don't see the reason to recursively (!!!) substitute the % character when an URL is input in LibreOffice because % it self is already an accepted one; - another low probability hypotheses in my head was that LibreOffice translate the space on a full 16 bit space character coding, but your explain about %25 representing the % hex code, rapidly make me clear what was happened; - in any case (!), if you open the with-space link directly from a Writer document (ctrl+click for friends o chaps ;-) ) you will get the right page: in other words the link behave correctly! So the problem on pdf link behaviour has to be fixed in LibreOffice too!!! :-) But I do not think is a too hard to do, is not it? Now I will go to open or vote an existing issue and come back here soon. I think we could also to maintain only one discuss: I will suggest the tdf-discuss one, what do you think about? Have All a sunny day, Carlo I ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 10/05/2013 08.28, Tom Davies ha scritto: Hi :) I don't know if there is one for LibreOffice yet. People have tried to show me how to look things up in the bug-report place but for some reason i can never quite manage it myself. Also i'm not sure if just solving the problem in LibreOffice would make the problem go away. It seems to be further upstream with fairly major projects having to deal with it separately. is it possible to post a bug-report against the internet? Apols and regards form Tom :) From: Florian Reisinger reisi...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Carlo Strata carlo.str...@tiscali.it; TDF, discuss discuss@documentfoundation.org; LibreOffice, users us...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 16:37 Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-users] [4.0.3.3 non fixed bug] Link with a space Pdf export error (%20 characters - space ones - exported as %2520 ones) Hi, Does a bug report exist yet? Liebe Grüße, / Yours, Florian Reisinger Am 09.05.2013 um 14:10 schrieb Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk: Hi :) %25 is the code for a % symbol so the 'wrong' link is not really wrong after all. It's just a bit odd and unnecessary. In the 'wrong' link replace all the %25s with % so that %2520 becomes %20 and then the apparently 'wrong' link looks right. It's a good reason for avoiding spaces and non-standard characters in Urls. CamelCase is much less prone to these sorts of problems. Seems a few other organisations are having trouble with %25 replacing % http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/technicalqueries/thread/6f20c6a9-0ed9-4e96-a0f7-cc1abbdf58a8 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1648880?start=0tstart=0 https://github.com/pipwerks/PDFObject/issues/23 http://drupal.org/node/1335942 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3549747/apache-25-in-url-400-bad-request Welcome back chap! Lets hope they can fix it! Regards from Tom :) From: Carlo Strata carlo.str...@tiscali.it To: TDF, discuss discuss@documentfoundation.org; LibreOffice, users us...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 12:29 Subject: [libreoffice-users] [4.0.3.3 non fixed bug] Link with a space Pdf export error (%20 characters - space ones - exported as %2520 ones) Hi Everyone and sorry for my long silence! I have not read the mailing list for a long, but I am always here to use, test, update and spread LibreOffice! ;-) Since 4.x versions - but maybe since before: 1. if you create a new writer document and copy in it a with-space-link like this: http://support.mozilla.org/it/kb/Informazioni%20su%20Firefox%20Sync 2. save the document; 3. export the document in pdf with the default settings; 4. open the exported pdf; 5. click on the clickable link; 6. you will get this wrong link instead: http://support.mozilla.org/it/kb/Informazioni%2520su%2520Firefox%2520Sync 7. if you open that link from the odt (as usual with a ctrl+click) you get instead the right link and the browser open correctly! 8. if you leave your mouse cursor on the link both on the pdf and the odt documents you will get a correct title yellow lable (tooltip) too! 9. I finally think there is a bug on the pdf export module. 10. This is the same if you create the above document with the Insert - Hypertext link menu
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-users] [4.0.3.3 non fixed bug] Link with a space Pdf export error (%20 characters - space ones - exported as %2520 ones)
There are many pdf export related and interesting issues, some that may concern with this one, but I would not have so sure, so I decide to open a new one, this: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64428 Have a sunny day, Carlo p.s. Camel Case are not the solution, dear Tom, because we are in the XXI century and computer science and other technologies are to serve human needs and not the converse! ;-) Like this also the next Unicode character in URLs and other evolutions... ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 10/05/2013 10.03, Carlo Strata ha scritto: Hi Everyone, as I told yesterday in my first mail I will look for an already created issue and if not I will create it. When I make this? Now! ;-) In any case I will make you know what I do. @Tom: I think that: - on URLs, browsers - but maybe a behaviour stated on a well determined W3 Standard or similar open Consortium - substitute spaces with %20 hex character code; - %20 (!!!): that means that %, 2 and 0 are all (!) well admitted characters, all (!!!); - so I don't see the reason to recursively (!!!) substitute the % character when an URL is input in LibreOffice because % it self is already an accepted one; - another low probability hypotheses in my head was that LibreOffice translate the space on a full 16 bit space character coding, but your explain about %25 representing the % hex code, rapidly make me clear what was happened; - in any case (!), if you open the with-space link directly from a Writer document (ctrl+click for friends o chaps ;-) ) you will get the right page: in other words the link behave correctly! So the problem on pdf link behaviour has to be fixed in LibreOffice too!!! :-) But I do not think is a too hard to do, is not it? Now I will go to open or vote an existing issue and come back here soon. I think we could also to maintain only one discuss: I will suggest the tdf-discuss one, what do you think about? Have All a sunny day, Carlo I ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 10/05/2013 08.28, Tom Davies ha scritto: Hi :) I don't know if there is one for LibreOffice yet. People have tried to show me how to look things up in the bug-report place but for some reason i can never quite manage it myself. Also i'm not sure if just solving the problem in LibreOffice would make the problem go away. It seems to be further upstream with fairly major projects having to deal with it separately. is it possible to post a bug-report against the internet? Apols and regards form Tom :) From: Florian Reisinger reisi...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Carlo Strata carlo.str...@tiscali.it; TDF, discuss discuss@documentfoundation.org; LibreOffice, users us...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 16:37 Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-users] [4.0.3.3 non fixed bug] Link with a space Pdf export error (%20 characters - space ones - exported as %2520 ones) Hi, Does a bug report exist yet? Liebe Grüße, / Yours, Florian Reisinger Am 09.05.2013 um 14:10 schrieb Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk: Hi :) %25 is the code for a % symbol so the 'wrong' link is not really wrong after all. It's just a bit odd and unnecessary. In the 'wrong' link replace all the %25s with % so that %2520 becomes %20 and then the apparently 'wrong' link looks right. It's a good reason for avoiding spaces and non-standard characters in Urls. CamelCase is much less prone to these sorts of problems. Seems a few other organisations are having trouble with %25 replacing % http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/technicalqueries/thread/6f20c6a9-0ed9-4e96-a0f7-cc1abbdf58a8 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1648880?start=0tstart=0 https://github.com/pipwerks/PDFObject/issues/23 http://drupal.org/node/1335942 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3549747/apache-25-in-url-400-bad-request Welcome back chap! Lets hope they can fix it! Regards from Tom :) From: Carlo Strata carlo.str...@tiscali.it To: TDF, discuss discuss@documentfoundation.org; LibreOffice, users us...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 12:29 Subject: [libreoffice-users] [4.0.3.3 non fixed bug] Link with a space Pdf export error (%20 characters - space ones - exported as %2520 ones) Hi Everyone and sorry for my long silence! I have not read the mailing list for a long, but I am always here to use, test, update and spread LibreOffice! ;-) Since 4.x versions - but maybe since before: 1. if you create a new writer document and copy
[tdf-discuss] [4.0.3.3 non fixed bug] Link with a space Pdf export error (%20 characters - space ones - exported as %2520 ones)
Hi Everyone and sorry for my long silence! I have not read the mailing list for a long, but I am always here to use, test, update and spread LibreOffice! ;-) Since 4.x versions - but maybe since before: 1. if you create a new writer document and copy in it a with-space-link like this: http://support.mozilla.org/it/kb/Informazioni%20su%20Firefox%20Sync 2. save the document; 3. export the document in pdf with the default settings; 4. open the exported pdf; 5. click on the clickable link; 6. you will get this wrong link instead: http://support.mozilla.org/it/kb/Informazioni%2520su%2520Firefox%2520Sync 7. if you open that link from the odt (as usual with a ctrl+click) you get instead the right link and the browser open correctly! 8. if you leave your mouse cursor on the link both on the pdf and the odt documents you will get a correct title yellow lable (tooltip) too! 9. I finally think there is a bug on the pdf export module. 10. This is the same if you create the above document with the Insert - Hypertext link menu function. I have tested this on each new testing release, but only today I have found the mental time to write this mail. I am also going to search if there is a related issue yet and if not, as I used in the near past, I will post a new one. Have a sunny day, Carlo p.s. on this Saturday I will see Italo (Vignoli) on Venice (where I live) in a very interesting public access Venetian Engineers Meeting that I help to organize... :-) -- ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Win64: Scribus too... :-)
Dear Everyone, are we working forward to LibreOffice-win64? Taking a look if there were new Scribus releases I give a look to next branch svn 1.4.2 http://sourceforge.net/projects/scribus/files/scribus-svn/1.4.2svn/ and I see that... there are an x64 windows build (!!!) that I suppose it use the Win64 GhostScript build too http://www.ghostscript.com/download/ Any new in this walk? Have a sunny day, Carlo -- ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 skype carlo.strata - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Too dangerous putting 3.6.x on the main download page at the moment without putting an orange circle and second in place order
Il 16/08/2012 18:49, Cor Nouws ha scritto: Hi Carlo, Carlo Strata wrote (16-08-12 18:44) I think we must follow a more conservative way promoting the download and the installation of 3.6.x version *at the moment.* [...] What do you think about? I'd rather put energy in improving, than in re-doing the discussion we had before (for n times ;-) ) Cheers, Of course!!! But the two things are not excluding one another (!!!) so that we could: - improve 3.6.x branch (I have personally already abandoned the 3.5 one and start to use and test the 3.6 in my engineer activity too, but I am a computer science industrial engineer and I know how to behave in case of simple (?) troubles...); - make People to download the 3.5.6 or next 3.5.x as stable and production oriented branch for a couple of months still; - let People absolutely (!!!) know - and in the main (!!!) download page too - there is a richer 3.6.x branch and try it with the mind/thought that it is an initial/first release version so that they do not think that LibreOffice - at all - is still an unstable office suite... This could people to love LibreOffice stability and - in case - test and adopt new features... Me and many other People out there are working to spread LibreOffice installation and effective/real use in many working reality: I personally do not think that we want to destroy all this marketing and adoption work all over the World... Personally I have installed and first explained LibreOffice to many Customer of mine among them there is the Venice Professional Engineer Association (Ordine degli Ingegneri di Venezia), to which I belong to. It is already happened that in a 300 engineer meeting I must go on the presentation notebook in the stage/platform - during the meeting itself - to install LibreOffice with the video projector on (!!!) because a lawyer speaker went there with an odp presentation and in the notebook there were only (!!!) Microsoft Office 2007... I think that the green LibreOffice - 3.5.4 at the time was - splash screen in the wall and the next successful run of the presentation are surely two very good marketing happening in front of over 300 People that I do not want to waste as well as all Our (TDF Community at all) world wide - surely professional - activity. There will be always a new (features richer) version, but remember that 90% of People use 20% of features and must use it in a rock stable manner!!! Have a nice weekend, Carlo -- ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 skype carlo.strata - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] [QA] LibreOffice 3.6.1.1 first tests results
Ciao Everyone! My current notebook system: - OpenSuSE 12.1, updated, gnome 3.4.1, Kernel Linux 3.1.10-63-desktop, x86-64 (on an Intel EM64T Cpu), italian GUIed; - nVidia GeForce 9500M GS - 512 Mbyte dedicated Video RAM, kernel integrated nouveau driver; - LibreOffice vanilla Version *3.6.1.1* (Build ID: 4db6344), italian GUIed. In the LibreOffice *3.6.0.4* first tests I dealt with this bugs: - system integratiion file association fails (even though .../desktop-integration/libreoffice3.6-suse-menus-3.6.0-104.noarch.rpm was installed); - italian dictionary doesn't seem to check the words (none incorrect were underlined); - importing a pdf file results in a read only opened Draw document and the read only state still remains/persists after saving as a LibreOffice Draw file (odg file). In the first 3.6.1.1 - that I have just downloaded and installed - test all of upper bugs seem to be fixed! :-) Fine work from tester and developer and bug fixer! Have a nice and sunny day! Carlo -- ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 skype carlo.strata - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Too dangerous putting 3.6.x on the main download page at the moment without putting an orange circle and second in place order
Ciao Everyone! I think we must follow a more conservative way promoting the download and the installation of 3.6.x version *at the moment.* I think we must come back using: o) green circle to download the new 3.5.6 LibreOffice; o) orange circle to download 3.6.0 and the incoming 3.6.1 LibreOffice version too. We can also add an helping tooltip on green and orange circle image that make clear the *current purpose* of each release... I know we have to wide the testing base each time a new version see the light, but we have not to make People/Users to escape / go away from our office suite; we have not to hate / deprecate 3.5.6 and next 3.5.x releases yet. People has to work well with our office suite and in an affordable way. We have to drive them in this behaviour!!! I read about someone on MacOS X that migrate from 3.3.4 directly to 3.6.0 (!!!) and that his upgraded MacOS X LibreOffice crashes and come back to run deleting Extension directory on the user's home directory or something similar... I don't know if this is the only trouble that he could deal with now on (!), but the first thought I made then was to suggest him to install 3.5.5 or next release. What do you think about? Have a nice day, Carlo -- ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 skype carlo.strata - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] MS Outlook?
Il 15/02/2012 09:58, Shawn Sumin ha scritto: Will LibreOffice ever have a similar program like MS Outlook? i.e. Calendar, Tasks, Contacts and Mail Hi Shawn, this is a regularly returning question... And these are my (and many other people) happy choices: Mozilla Thunderbird (now at version 10.0.1) http://www.mozilla.org/ plus these useful and popular extensions: 1) https://addons.mozilla.org/it/thunderbird/ 2) https://nic-nac-project.org/~kaosmos/index-en.html look there for - lightning (advanced calendar, tasks) - 1) - LookOut (opens a particular proprietary Outlook attachment format) - 1) - Duplicate Contact Manager - 1) - Dictionary Switcher- 1) - various national dictionaries- 1) - Recover Deleted Messages - Remove Duplicated Messages (Alternate) - Quick Password - Mail Merge (for mailing delivery) - ... (as you like or need) - MoreFunctionForAddressBook - 2) - PrintingTools - 2) - ImportExportTools - 2) - ExternalTemplateLoader - 2) - SmartP7mSupport - 2) and if you are in Italy or however you use PEC (Italian Certified Mail), you may like to have in addition - ThunderPEC - http://www.pocketpec.it/ Hope that help. Have a nice day, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Italian user list seems to be broken or in busy state: what's the matter?
Hi Everyone, Italian user list (us...@it.libreoffice.org) seems to be broken or in some busy state: what's the matter? It may be since about January the 4th. I don't know if this is the only one in this state (italian or other languages). Could someone check it or them and fix the trouble? Thank you very much! Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [tdf-discuss] Italian user list seems to be broken or in busy state: what's the matter?
Il 12/01/2012 13:56, Christian Lohmaier ha scritto: Hi *, On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Carlo Strata wrote on 2012-01-12 13:34: Italian user list (us...@it.libreoffice.org) seems to be broken or in some busy state: what's the matter? It may be since about January the 4th. [...] I just checked, and the list seems to work fine. Not many messages coming in, but the last one was from January 11th, sent by you: To add on that: Looking at the logs: A couple of messages have been rejected as SPAM, but judging from the sender-addresses do-not-re...@select2gether.com or norespon...@yahoo.com.es or mrcostaakdam...@msn.com those rejections seem to be legitimate. But you might post a notice stating something if you receive a message stating that your post was rejected as spam, please send again and cc the postmaster (@documentfoundation.org) address to evaluate the reason. But to state it clearly: I as well as Florian see nothing wrong with the list - it just is a more silent list - not unusual for it to not receive a post for a few days. ciao Christian Thank you to Everyone, but (...) someone of us receive something like this: Messaggio originale Oggetto: Delivery Status Notification Data: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:22:50 +0100 Mittente: Mail Delivery Service postmas...@cp-out8.libero.it A: lcc...@infinito.it - These recipients of your message have been processed by the mail server: us...@it.libreoffice.org; Failed; 5.1.1 (bad destination mailbox address) Remote MTA bilbo.documentfoundation.org: SMTP diagnostic: 550 5.7.1us...@it.libreoffice.org: Recipient address rejected: Mail appears to be spam or forged and is rejected due to policy. Using cached results - retrying too fast. penalty: 30 seconds x 0 retries. Whati do you think about? Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [tdf-discuss] Italian user list seems to be broken or in busy state: what's the matter?
Il 12/01/2012 15:02, Florian Effenberger ha scritto: Hi, Carlo Strata wrote on 2012-01-12 14:18: Remote MTA bilbo.documentfoundation.org: SMTP diagnostic: 550 5.7.1us...@it.libreoffice.org: Recipient address rejected: Mail appears to be spam or forged and is rejected due to policy. Using cached results - retrying too fast. penalty: 30 seconds x 0 retries. Whati do you think about? this means that the mailserver trying to deliver messages has been put on several (external, non-TDF) blacklists, probably for sending out spam. It is mainly your provider's duty to fix this problem. We need to rely on blacklists for spam filtering. In cases where your provider cannot help you, we can -temporarily- whitelist the sending server. So, first is to ping your provider and tell him he seems to be blacklisted due to spamming. In case that does not help, the next time you receive such a message, please send a direct note to postmas...@documentfoundation.org, with the date and time of the original message, and we will investigate. Sorry for any inconveniences, Florian Thank you all! It happens sometimes that libero.it smtp is seen as spammer. This time to Felix others to me. I'll keep in mind your suggestions. I think too it's better to rely on blcklists for spam filtering! ;-) Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Happy New Year from Brazil
Happy New Year to Everyone from Italy in a Beautiful Sunny Day! ;-) We will build even more in 2012, I'm sure, all together!!! Carlo Il 31/12/2011 21:20, sn ha scritto: Wish You a Very Happy New Year to All LibreOffice Members. On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Oleksa Stasevych oleksiy.stasev...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you! So nice :) Wishing you plentiful happy New Year! With kindest regards, Oleksa 31.12.11 15:33, Charles-H. Schulz написав(ла): Eliane, Thank you so much and to you and everyone, a happy new year 2012 :-) Best, Charles. 2011/12/31 Eliane Domingos de Sousaelianedomin...@gmail.com** Dear all, I wish you a great new year. All of you made an incredible work this year. Thank you for that. Because of this, I prepared another little gift. http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0099009/photos/elianedomingos/** **6606258839http://www.flickr.com/x/t/**0099009/photos/elianedomingos/**6606258839 http://www.**flickr.com/x/t/0099009/photos/**elianedomingos/6606258839http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0099009/photos/elianedomingos/6606258839 The svg file is here: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0Bzmb- ZecnWluODc1Nzg5MGEtMTlhZC00MDQhttps://docs.google.com/open?**id=0Bzmb-**ZecnWluODc1Nzg5MGEtMTlhZC00MDQ** 0LThiNGQtYzY2NjgzNDE2NTk2http**s://docs.google.com/open?id=**0Bzmb-** ZecnWluODc1Nzg5MGEtMTlhZC00MDQ**0LThiNGQtYzY2NjgzNDE2NTk2https://docs.google.com/open?id=0Bzmb-ZecnWluODc1Nzg5MGEtMTlhZC00MDQ0LThiNGQtYzY2NjgzNDE2NTk2 See you next year. Cheers. Eliane Domingos Brazilian LibreOffice Community -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+help@global.** libreoffice.orgmarketing%**2bh...@global.libreoffice.orgmarketing%252bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-* ***http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.**libreoffice.org/get-help/** mailing-lists/how-to-**unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundati**on.org/**http://documentfoundation.org/** Netiquettehttp://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/**Netiquettehttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoff** ice.org/global/**marketing/http://libreoffice.org/global/**marketing/ ht**tp://listarchives.libreoffice.**org/global/marketing/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+help@global.**libreoffice.orgwebsite%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquettehttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**website/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Are we sure not to release 3.4.4-RC3? This is the last release until February and 3.5.0 one!
Thank you Thorsten! Carlo Il 07/11/2011 17:43, Thorsten Behrens ha scritto: Carlo Strata wrote: That bug is not even fully analysed, let alone fixed yet - so why should we even start pondering to delay a release of an otherwise improved version? You are right, but this one is the only one I read about in these days and that is a regression... I'm sure there are some other ones (3.4's most annoying bugs)... Hi Carlo, sure - but either there's a safe fix, that the responsible devs have been poked with that got cherry-picked in time for -3-4 - or there isn't. Probably all I want to say is that your mail comes some 2-3 weeks late - please remind people to review fixes before release tagging happens. As many others have said before, the point of time-based releases is to get fixes shipped to users, instead of being caught in that just one more fix dead-lock. Nothing prevents us from doing another release from the libo-3-4 branch next year, and surely over the time, this branch will acculumate more useful fixes than just this one Calc bug. I say this because Rainer (Bielefeld) told me (on September the 1st, 2011) that TDF are fixing all bugs in Master trunk (3.5) and cherry pick something good for 3.4's releases... This means that 3.5 may be better than any 3.4 is now and will ever be. Absolutely! That's the whole point in development, to make a better version! :) Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Are we sure not to release 3.4.4-RC3? This is the last release until February and 3.5.0 one!
Hi Everyone, I think incoming 3.4.4 is (may be) the best release ever (than 3.3.x too). But (there is a but) because is the last release until February 2012 as we could see here http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan and more likely because we have decided no to release more 3.3 new versions, I think we could seriously evaluate to step another RC with some other cherry picked good fixed master issues (I mean those related to Quality and appearance). I'm thinking about the one related to object alignment in Calc (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37083), but also the annoying just caught related to Base opening and immediately closing table view (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42612), that seems to be a regression, and few other ones that I don't follow, but may be useful for all/many users... 3.4.4: - carry us on 3.5.0 that is released before 3.4.5 one; - take many 3.3.x users a step forward because 3.3.x end of life. It's important that its quality is a step over the previous ones. We have already integrate in 3.4.4-RC2 about 30 fix, if we add some other ones it's not a bad thing in particular with respect to Quality. We cannot lose the 3.3.x installed user base: they have to be happy (and not otherwise) to stay with us all together, haven't they? What do we think about? Have a nice week, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] XAdES digital signature extension
Il 04/11/2011 19:27, Davide Dozza ha scritto: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 03/11/2011 19:02, Simon Phipps ha scritto: [...] Contributors for extending and porting to LibO are welcome. Thanks, Davide. What are the obstacles to it working with LibreOffice as it exists now? There are some compatibility problems. With LibO 3.4.3 the extension can be installed but neither the custom bar nor the configuration item are displayed. Therefore it seems the extension code doesn't start. Ciao Davide, I use: - linux, x86-64, OpenSuSE 11.2, updated, kernel 2.6.38-6-5-default (I know: it's time to update... ;-) ); - LibreOffice, x86-64, 3.4.3 vanilla and now 3.4.4-RC2. I tested your extension some weeks ago (Libò 3.4.3) and now (3.4.4-RC2) in both cases: - the custon bar appear (vertical, with only one icon, appear in the right side LibreOffice window border); - all first extension controls are correctly performed (I mean: document not saved, read only document, smart card reader not present, ...); - I haven't performed any other tests at the moment in this operating context. I haven't tested yet, at all, the extension in Windows OSes, I'll do it asap with my father's Camera di Commercio's (Italian Trade Office) smart card and with usb reader (with which he usually signs financial document (in Pdf/A format)) and then I'll post the results. He uses Libò 3.3.2 win32 on Windows XP, SP3, 32 bit, ita, daily updated. Have you interested in Libò 3.3.2 test or I update to the 3.4.4 Libò before testing? Have a nice evening, Carlo Davide -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk60LpYACgkQIXgZqRs8KhOUvACaAtmUCDmsF5qcKvnFb4jLD6zv gqgAn3e575aC40D++bHYEx3xwsY5Pt2H =kAWH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Will win64 native build exist on 3.5.0 or at least 3.5.x releases?
Hi Pedro and Tor, I forgot to mention another two win32/win64 big and famous open source appliances: - MySql (!) http://www.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/#downloads - PostgreSql (!) http://www.postgresql.org/download/windows About PostgreSql (that I installed, I used, I designed, I used to develop appliances (SQL, Pg-Pl/Sql) in the past) there is a very interesting page that could also help us http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/64bit_Windows_port that was about the win32 - win64 port. Since version 9.0, EnterpriseDB deploy and make it available both windows installers and builds (win32 and win64). What do yuo think about that? Have a nice evening, Carlo Il 02/11/2011 20:22, Carlo Strata ha scritto: Hi Pedro, Il 02/11/2011 13:19, Pedro ha scritto: In my opinion TDF and LibreOffice should abandon the MS compiler and support the switch to MinGW which has already been started by Jan Holesovsky (aka Kendy) I think we could put here, at least, the links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinGW http://www.mingw.org/ http://mingw-w64.sourceforge.net/ for interested people... This would also open the path to using MinGW64 and therefore the creation of a native 64bit version of LO... I follow some and various FLOSS projects that are both and natively win32/win64 like these: http://7-zip.org/ http://infrarecorder.org/ (If I don't remember wrong, it use MinGW.) http://www.virtualdub.org/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/free-cad/ and http://free-cad.sourceforge.net/ ... and some that try to go win64 too, but without official courage, bravery, fearlessness http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/ ... and some that are not trying at all http://filezilla-project.org http://notepad-plus-plus.org/ ... Could we understand and learn somethings from above projects' choices and code? The fact that it is a requirement to use a specific proprietary compiler to compile a FLOSS program makes the same sense as offering a free complete car (wheels, tires, etc) but to assemble it you would need to buy a wrench which is sold by a single company... There are pros and cons to use Microsoft native and MinGW/GW64 compilers and libs, I suppose. Just my 2 cents. Have a nice evening, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Will win64 native build exist on 3.5.0 or at least 3.5.x releases?
Hi Pedro, Il 02/11/2011 13:19, Pedro ha scritto: In my opinion TDF and LibreOffice should abandon the MS compiler and support the switch to MinGW which has already been started by Jan Holesovsky (aka Kendy) I think we could put here, at least, the links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinGW http://www.mingw.org/ http://mingw-w64.sourceforge.net/ for interested people... This would also open the path to using MinGW64 and therefore the creation of a native 64bit version of LO... I follow some and various FLOSS projects that are both and natively win32/win64 like these: http://7-zip.org/ http://infrarecorder.org/ (If I don't remember wrong, it use MinGW.) http://www.virtualdub.org/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/free-cad/ and http://free-cad.sourceforge.net/ ... and some that try to go win64 too, but without official courage, bravery, fearlessness http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/ ... and some that are not trying at all http://filezilla-project.org http://notepad-plus-plus.org/ ... Could we understand and learn somethings from above projects' choices and code? The fact that it is a requirement to use a specific proprietary compiler to compile a FLOSS program makes the same sense as offering a free complete car (wheels, tires, etc) but to assemble it you would need to buy a wrench which is sold by a single company... There are pros and cons to use Microsoft native and MinGW/GW64 compilers and libs, I suppose. Just my 2 cents. Have a nice evening, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Lotus Wordpro specifications? Other format specs?
Il 14/09/2011 15:24, Caolán McNamara ha scritto: On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 22:09 -0500, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: Caolán McNamara wrote: We don't have a lot of these document for testing. Two actually :-), If one wanted to learn about the format of Lotus Wordpro files, where would one go to get specification information? Not sure really, I don't happen to have any docs myself. More than likely the old-school .lwp format we're talking about here is the same basic format as Ami Pro, so http://www.wotsit.org and the SAM Ami Pro format is possibly a place to start, and/or the lotuswordpro filter in LibreOffice. More generally, does TDF keep specs for various document formats online somewhere? Nope, well in general no. There are snippets about some formats here and there but typically no secret stash of file formats that aren't available generally on the web. C. But... Sorry for my stupid (?) question: if I have not wrongly understood: AOOo code is (or will be) licensed on a license (AL v. 2.0) that permits code migration from AOOo to Libò (LGPL v. 3 licensed), doesn't it? If there is a code that we can point to (and that we'll have to get to improve quality and interoperability) this is surely that of all Lotus native read/write filters!!! Of course! :-) ;-) That code is surely the best place all over the World where getting out not only the Lotus file spec (if any or written by reverse engineering the code), but the code and the filters themselves too!!! Surely, and by definition, that opens and writes the last Lotus file format too... So I say that we could now focus on other (quality related) things and activities and when we will see the right moment, we get the code. What do you think about? Have a nice evening, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Lotus Wordpro specifications? Other format specs?
Il 14/09/2011 17:18, Caolán McNamara ha scritto: On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 16:23 +0200, Carlo Strata wrote: If there is a code that we can point to (and that we'll have to get to improve quality and interoperability) this is surely that of all Lotus native read/write filters!!! Of course! :-) ;-) The irony is that AOOo doesn't actually have a LotusWordPro import filter while LibreOffice does. Symphony might have one, but the source for that isn't available. There was an announcement a number of months ago that it would be, but no indication of a timeline as far as I understand. C. We will be waiting for some news... Of course, I meant that code from IBM Symphony (that came from the old Lotus SmartSuite that comes, in turn, from Lotus 123, Ami Pro and other applications if I don't remember wrongly) ;-) Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Are we in the right way?
Il 01/09/2011 18:22, Rainer Bielefeld ha scritto: Carlo Strata schrieb: - are we sure, once more, that all regressions fixed are than forward-ported to 3.5.x branch or I can aspect to a new related regression when I'll try to use the future 3.5.x release? Hi, I understand that you might be disappointed concerning my Major instead of Critical rating for your https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39355. Can you suggest one critical one that can be downrated to major, because it is less important for the LibO project than Bug 39355, so that we can rise importance for Bug 39355? :-) I think you are able answering yourself about this... I want simply say that all already critical bugs are correctly considered, but if we are going on enterprise side, we have to cure document qualities: like standard adherence, rendering quality, print quality *with the same attention level.* I obviously not refer to my 39355 bug, but to various other ones related to pdf/A-1a or Calc printing, calc imagine downshifting, ... Remember, Rainer, I want to help not to criticize without usefulness! :-) Look at my mail in her globality, guess the deep mean, ... I'm afraid all this we have to rise quality discussion leads to nowhere. Are you sure? ;-) I instead think to have pointed out many interesting issue that may be discussed and perhaps improved. Currently the problem is that we get more bug reports that can be fixed (or at least: handled) - do you know my statistics on http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:RBd/Workbench#Statistics? The only way how we really get improvement is to use our limited (developer-) manpower as efficient as possible. That's the goal our QA efforts try to reach. No, I didn't, now I have seen them. Very interesting and useful. As well as want to be my mail!!! Now we are speaking... there is communication between us... :-) Currently one of our ideas is to do do all fixes in the Master (currently 3.5) and then to cherry pick the fixes to the branches (currently 3.3, 3.4). That's the result of several discussions, we think that that is the most efficient way. Ok, I can surely share this way, but there are many way to improve backporting such as Google SoC, some specific financing, University Thesis, ... We at PLIO (an old OOo Italian Project) have decided to sponsor some Libò projects but all is stopped!!! We are Human Being: we can change things, we do change things. So may 3.5.x be from the start (.0 and .1) a branch stabler than 3.4.x will ever be? And so 3.4 will be rapidly closed at 3.5 time? To keep the master in a good shape we currently try to eliminate regressions in the Master as quick as possible. So I try to check these https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regressionemailassigned_to1=1query_format=advancedkeywords_type=nowordsbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDversion=LibO%203.4%20Dailyversion=LibO%20Masteremail1=libreoffice-bugs%40lists.freedesktop.orgproduct=LibreOfficeemailtype1=substring Bugs whether they are regressions compared to 3.4.3. Those fixes should be done with high priority, and if that work has been done, we hope to get other branch bugs more quickly. For that cause, because regression fix has an onerous (money, time, ...) cost, sometime I ask myself if regressions may, somewhat, being avoided keeping more attention to wokflow or decide if somewhat may be partially engineered again or something like that... Many eyes may seen better than few ones... moreover if these few ones are busy a lot. You know http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA-Projects-Incubator#Daily_Build_Tests and http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds? It would be great if you could support that Master testing by simply adding your results in a comment and adding me to CC. I will try to help us (!) doing this in my spare time. I already do many test and I will post in bugzill since Novell Go-OO time... ;-) Kind regards and thank you for your Bugzilla activity Rainer If we go only a step over we certainly could drink a fresh beer with Libò people!!! :-) Have a nice Sunday! Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Are we in the right way?
Il 01/09/2011 20:26, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: Hello Carlo, I may only answer to some of your questions... Le Thu, 01 Sep 2011 17:27:33 +0200, Carlo Stratacarlo.str...@tiscali.it a écrit : Hi Everyone, I want only to open a positive (constructive) talk, discuss. I think we all have to point to quality by the following means: - all documents (Open Documents, PDFs or real print) yielded by LibreOffice have to be near perfection; What do you mean by near perfection? I mean that documents have to be corrected for the normal use: - pdf export; - calc rendering; - calc multiple page print; - image aligned as all our world attends; - calculus correctness; - standard adherence (ODF, PDF, SVG, ); - all day things...; - priority bugs have to be valuated with the previous mean in mind; - all LibreOffice generated documents all over the world are the sign and the face of our quality; - if wrong documents are linked to LibreOffice in People's mind we are putting our time and efforts away through the window; Yes. :-) - only with document quality, we will be growing at enterprise side in trust, confidence and reliance too; I don't know, I'm not sure about that :-) I think people have to be made aware of ODF documents, otherwise they'll think it's a nuisance. So you agree that nuisance is a bad thing... ;-) So ODF have to be a true good (= near perfect) things/opportunity/chance... - here in Italy, PDF/A-1a file format, e.g., is the standard way (file format) to give back information to Public Administrations (e.g. Central Trade Offices, ...): if professionals or enterprise cannot do that with LibreOffice they don't adopt it. Full stop. And we couldn't work with them to grow in LibreOffice adoption and, of course, TDF doesn't grow all over the minds, in the streets, on many countries and in the related healthy and sound business; I can save documents under PDF/A-1 with LibreOffice. :-) I see someone told you that this is (ehm was!!!) an x86-64 bug! Regression (I pointed out the old Novell Bugzilla issue)!!! - I'm seeing many regressions in these days that I thought have been definitively fixed, many regarding document quality: I think it isn't enough to fix it again, but we ought to ask ourselves why these regressions occur, what are we mistaking, what could we improving in the whole process, in the workflows; - are we sure, once more, that all regressions fixed are than forward-ported to 3.5.x branch or I can aspect to a new related regression when I'll try to use the future 3.5.x release? - are someone interested in make quality always lower, someway boycotting LibreOffice and its diffusion, spread? Are regression somewhat, and also, linked to this? These are weak hypothesis, but I cannot fall silence about them anymore; So concretely, what would you like to improve the quality process? I write this in answer to Rainer, but mailing list server refuse my reply at the moment (this happen sometime since a month ago). But shortly: - give to bug that affect normal use (in the upper mean) more importance and fix it sooner (GSoC, University, Sponsorship, donations, volunteers, ...); - sometime and cycling asking ourself why (!) regressions occurs and so if we can change things (redesign workflows and so on) to reduce them always more... - ... see my answer to Rainer. Have a nice Sunday, Carlo best, Charles. - I'm an Italian Computer Engineer and I'm part of the Venice Engineer Professional Association (Ordine degli Ingengneri di Venezia) to whom I want to make adopting both OpenDocument file format and LibreOffice to deal with that file format, but at the moment (3.4.3) I still cannot. When will I be able to? At 3.4.4 time? My 2 euros ;-) Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Went Vanilla...
Hi Bob, I'm an OpenSuSE user too, since long time ago (2005). I used to install OOo (already Go-OO based), in the past, and Libò, in more recent time, from the OBS (OpenSuSE Build Service) repositories, but since some months ago I (definitively?) choose the vanilla one for your exact same reasons. In the past, moreover, the OBS packaging yield some newer bugs that vanilla hasn't. So I choose to abandon OBS (only for that). I also think that SuSE people time may be better used to improve Libò, as SuSE is a main TDF contributor. These events may point out one more thought: if there were a common linux repositories (and packages too) format TDF (as well as others) may publishes linux builds only in that manner and distro's package manager simply link with them... to install and simply update... A dream... ;-) Have a nice afternoon, Carlo Il 31/08/2011 22:42, Robert Boehm ha scritto: Hi Folksjust wanted to mention on this listand maybe see if there is any feedback (no problem if none).. I run openSUSE (currently openSUSE 11.4 on my production machines) and had added the LibreOffice repository (STABLE) and have been working with that without problems. I am fairly conservative, but also kind of like the latest stuff too as long as proven stable enough for use. Mind you, I also test the beta versions of everything on a test machine both in Windows and in Linux so I see what's coming down the pike and to file bug reports. Seems as if the openSUSE maintainer of the LibreOffice stable repository wants to be more conservative than methey are still pushing version 3.3.3 (after 3.3.4 has been out for a while) and currently in UNSTABLE are still testing 3.4.2 (3.4.3 came out today)I decided to push ahead and go vanilla in my Linux machines.so I uninstalled the repository versions of 3.3.3 and installed vanilla (from The Document Foundation) version 3.4.3 today. It is running wonderfully and I am thinking of just going with vanilla versions from now on (stable branch) instead of the repository. Oh...yeah...there are a few integration issues with SUSE like some polish in the look in KDE, linking up the clipart library is automatic in the repository version (but easy to do manually after installation of the vanilla version) and maybe something that I'm not thinking about. But what I wanted to say is this: I am totally excited about this project and glad that it is flourishing, and am also happy to be using the latest stable version, as I can see it's already quicker...imports formats betterand even though all software has many bugs, this stuff is wonderful and very usable Thank-you for this wonderful project (as the OpenOffice project continues to stagnate over at the Apache Foundation for the time being). I just fixed a friend's computer that wouldn't boot up (a hardware issue, resolved) and replaced OpenOffice with LibreOffice 3.4.3 (good timing...came out today!) and he is happy as can be. I just solicit one thing: Am I missing anything (other than I mentioned above) by using the vanilla versions in Linux rather than being patient and waiting for the openSUSE repository versions? If the maintainer of that repository subscribes to this list, I would be happy to listen to what is said. Thanks for the patience in this long e-mail... Bob Boehm -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Are we in the right way?
Hi Everyone, I want only to open a positive (constructive) talk, discuss. I think we all have to point to quality by the following means: - all documents (Open Documents, PDFs or real print) yielded by LibreOffice have to be near perfection; - priority bugs have to be valuated with the previous mean in mind; - all LibreOffice generated documents all over the world are the sign and the face of our quality; - if wrong documents are linked to LibreOffice in People's mind we are putting our time and efforts away through the window; - only with document quality, we will be growing at enterprise side in trust, confidence and reliance too; - here in Italy, PDF/A-1a file format, e.g., is the standard way (file format) to give back information to Public Administrations (e.g. Central Trade Offices, ...): if professionals or enterprise cannot do that with LibreOffice they don't adopt it. Full stop. And we couldn't work with them to grow in LibreOffice adoption and, of course, TDF doesn't grow all over the minds, in the streets, on many countries and in the related healthy and sound business; - I'm seeing many regressions in these days that I thought have been definitively fixed, many regarding document quality: I think it isn't enough to fix it again, but we ought to ask ourselves why these regressions occur, what are we mistaking, what could we improving in the whole process, in the workflows; - are we sure, once more, that all regressions fixed are than forward-ported to 3.5.x branch or I can aspect to a new related regression when I'll try to use the future 3.5.x release? - are someone interested in make quality always lower, someway boycotting LibreOffice and its diffusion, spread? Are regression somewhat, and also, linked to this? These are weak hypothesis, but I cannot fall silence about them anymore; - I'm an Italian Computer Engineer and I'm part of the Venice Engineer Professional Association (Ordine degli Ingengneri di Venezia) to whom I want to make adopting both OpenDocument file format and LibreOffice to deal with that file format, but at the moment (3.4.3) I still cannot. When will I be able to? At 3.4.4 time? My 2 euros ;-) Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] [QA] On Calc (Spreadsheet) images anchored on cells are rendered down shifted
Hi Everyone, I have just opened this new bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40459 It seems to be an old OOo fixed bug, but I haven't found yet the correct OOo issue number. It's a quality reducer bug and it may prevent enterprise LibreOffice Calc use, so I immediately post it. Any other information are welcome. In the bug description I have supposed two more Libò bugs that may be somewhat related to it. Have a nice evening, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [QA] [3.4.3 rc1] pdf exported table upper border may disappear and it is not always printed
Il 20/08/2011 23:11, Jean-Baptiste Faure ha scritto: Le 19/08/2011 13:57, Carlo Strata a écrit : Il 19/08/2011 07:17, Jean-Baptiste Faure ha scritto: Hi Carlo, Le 18/08/2011 18:40, Carlo Strata a écrit : Hi Everyone, I'm not sure that this is a bug, but I think so. I just test again it with the new 3.4.3 rc1 build, italian localization. There is a long ago bug (sure since 3.3.x). Before creating an issue I used to compare myself with you. I have attached two very small files to this mail. Attached files are not allowed on this list. Please use Nabble bridge to upload a file, Nabble will add a link to this file in your message. http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Discuss-f1621725.html Best regards JBF Thank you JBF (or JFK? ;-) ) I have just added the two little file to my post as you could verify here http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/QA-3-4-3-rc1-pdf-exported-table-upper-border-may-disappear-and-it-is-not-always-printed-tp3265473p3265473.html Ok, I reproduce the problem. For me it is probably related to the screen resolution : if you set the line width to 0.5 pt instead of 0.25 pt, the pdf is correctly viewed up to 400% (no greater zoom value) in Evince (Ubuntu 10.04). Best regards JBF Hi JBF, as you could see on the temporary bug I have choosen to add this problem https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32849 and, particularly, in this attachment https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=50427 you could see that zooming in and out show problem only with the default settings tables. it is not a screen resolution trouble, but it seems to be a table default settings problem. Some table default settings (table created with toolbar new table or with ctrl-F12) are dirty, dusty or incomplete. Now we create a new dedicated bug because the original I choose has already been fixed and closed, as tested and stated by the original bug submitter. What do you think about? Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [QA] [3.4.3 rc1] pdf exported table upper border may disappear and it is not always printed
Il 22/08/2011 15:01, Rainer Bielefeld ha scritto: Carlo Strata wrote: Hi Carlo, Boredom? Currently there is no doubt that your problem exists. It has been confirmed several times. We nearby would already have fixed that if it would not cost so much time to read all the additional comments you write concerning this issue ;-). The most effective contribution you can do for this issue is simply to do nothing. Anything else will be cumbersome. CU Rainer Don't worry Rainer, I'm happy that you have already fixed my bug. I only want to answer to Jean Baptiste mail. I will do nothing more! ;-) CU, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [QA] [3.4.3 rc1] pdf exported table upper border may disappear and it is not always printed
Il 19/08/2011 07:17, Jean-Baptiste Faure ha scritto: Hi Carlo, Le 18/08/2011 18:40, Carlo Strata a écrit : Hi Everyone, I'm not sure that this is a bug, but I think so. I just test again it with the new 3.4.3 rc1 build, italian localization. There is a long ago bug (sure since 3.3.x). Before creating an issue I used to compare myself with you. I have attached two very small files to this mail. Attached files are not allowed on this list. Please use Nabble bridge to upload a file, Nabble will add a link to this file in your message. http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Discuss-f1621725.html Best regards JBF Thank you JBF (or JFK? ;-) ) I have just added the two little file to my post as you could verify here http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/QA-3-4-3-rc1-pdf-exported-table-upper-border-may-disappear-and-it-is-not-always-printed-tp3265473p3265473.html so I have learned a new thing, a new possibility. Non I will go to answer to Rainer Bielefeld too after checking to the opened issues he has pointed out to me and perhaps other ones. It will be a good thing if in the final 3.4.3 release we get the bug fixed: as I have told is a long time bug... :-) Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [QA] [3.4.3 rc1] pdf exported table upper border may disappear and it is not always printed
Il 19/08/2011 08:29, Rainer Bielefeld ha scritto: Hi, it might be the most easy way to find out what the problem might be is to report a Bug. Using http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport_Details to report a WRITER - PDF problem it's nearby impossible to do something wrong. Everything else only is a detour, because your problem seems to be a real bug, and it's not a problem if we finally find out that the problem has already been reported. Your problem might be related to Bug 32849 - Table borders in pdf export, and I saw something similar during tests for Bug 37488 - PRINTING table borders in Writer not printed if there are also images in the document, DRAW object printed crippled even after the fix. CU Rainer Hi Rainer, I have red the two bugs and commented both. I think https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32849 is blocking for 3.4.3 (it is of course one of most annoying bugs). I also thing this is little bug that shows a big pdf export fix that point out us to well check the pdf export code situation/quality/stability/dependencies. What do you think about? Have a nice day, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] [QA] [3.4.3 rc1] pdf exported table upper border may disappear and it is not always printed
Hi Everyone, I'm not sure that this is a bug, but I think so. I just test again it with the new 3.4.3 rc1 build, italian localization. There is a long ago bug (sure since 3.3.x). Before creating an issue I used to compare myself with you. I have attached two very small files to this mail. If you open the pdf one and zoom it you may see the upper table border to disappear. I have tested this and got always the same results on: - linux x86-64: -- Evince 2.30.3 (with poppler/cairo (0.12.3) pdf backend); -- Okular Version 0.12.2 (KDE Backend PDF Versione 0.4.1); - Windows Vista SP2 HP 64 bit: -- Adobe Acrobat Reader 10.1.0. To replicate my bug follow this few steps: - open the odt file; - export it to pdf; - open it on your preferred pdf viewer; - zoom the upper table border it will disappear soon. ;-) What do you think about this behavior? Have a nice evening, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Post a bug also on download page (easier to use)
Hi Charles and Richard, I have already post this suggest on the website mailing list, but with a longer and less communicative object that is: [libreoffice-website] Just an hint to spread the ideas in normal users that they can post a bug and that they can easily do it and is also on [libreoffice-users] Just an hint to spread the ideas in normal users that they can post a bug and that they can easily do it but with no answers!!! ;-) So I tried the TDF-discuss list... I add webs...@global.libreoffice.org [libreoffice-website] in cc just now. I think interesting is also the other post of recent mine: [tdf-discuss] Release Plan link also on download menu also on [libreoffice-users] Just an hint to spread the ideas in normal users about how LibreOffice grows and improve itself in the near and far future [libreoffice-website] Just an hint to spread the ideas in normal users about how LibreOffice grows and improve itself in the near and far future I will never post so long objects! I understand the lesson! :-) Carlo Il 20/07/2011 21:32, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: Carlo, Thanks for your suggestions! Do you think you could post them on the website mailing list? Best, Charles. Le 20 juil. 2011 20:59, Richardrichard.h...@gmail.com a écrit : You've got my vote. I've found a particularly annoying problem in LibO-3.3.3 3.3.4 where after pasting a file name into the file save dialog, LO becomes almost unresponsive after opening. No problem if copy the file name from the main text then paste. I've filed bugs in OOo, Kde, and a couple of others, but nothing this convoluted. regards, Richard. On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Carlo Stratacarlo.str...@tiscali.it wrote: Hi Everyone, in Italian Libre lists we have discussed the hypothesis to add a quick couple of links (how to post a bug and post a bug) nearby the usual download links in the Libre download page. This is because normal users (the most part!) have to follow these sequence, at the moment: o) - http://www.libreoffice.org/ o) - Get Involved; o) - Do quality assurance [QA]; o) - Bug triage section: oo) - _if needed_, go to instructions on our wiki page, read and go back; oo) - and finally go to LibreOffice bug tracker. We think this is too much at all! And to much hidden to normal users!!! You could think and say that this is somewhat negative to the LibreOffice People Idea with particular reference to the program/suite stablity, but in a XXI Century FLOSS and Cloud World point of view, many minded observers don't miss that we are mining the exact contrary: we want to make LibreOffice team reaches a fast and wide bugs view so that the entire Community can fix sooner and many more bugs and reach, again, highest stability and quality! It's our opinion. What do you think about it? Have a nice afternoon, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+help@**documentfoundation.org discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/ http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquettehttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**documentfoundation.org/www/**discuss/ http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Post a bug also on download page (easier to use)
Hi Everyone, in Italian Libre lists we have discussed the hypothesis to add a quick couple of links (how to post a bug and post a bug) nearby the usual download links in the Libre download page. This is because normal users (the most part!) have to follow these sequence, at the moment: o) - http://www.libreoffice.org/ o) - Get Involved; o) - Do quality assurance [QA]; o) - Bug triage section: oo) - _if needed_, go to instructions on our wiki page, read and go back; oo) - and finally go to LibreOffice bug tracker. We think this is too much at all! And to much hidden to normal users!!! You could think and say that this is somewhat negative to the LibreOffice People Idea with particular reference to the program/suite stablity, but in a XXI Century FLOSS and Cloud World point of view, many minded observers don't miss that we are mining the exact contrary: we want to make LibreOffice team reaches a fast and wide bugs view so that the entire Community can fix sooner and many more bugs and reach, again, highest stability and quality! It's our opinion. What do you think about it? Have a nice afternoon, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Release Plan link also on download menu
Hi Everyone, in Italian Libre lists we have also discussed the hypothesis to add a quick release plan link http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan also in the LibreOffice Download page http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ into the second level horizontal menu (lighter green). This is because we think many people look there for it and they couldn't find it, at the moment!!! The current sole place is, again, to hard to find and too hidden too. We all think that an interesting, well and wastefully known release plan may: - anticipate a software suite adoption and convince doubting people because they know that in the (hopefully near) future they also have new important features for they business and/or activities; - to wide people participating in evolving the suite itself for their own interest by: -- enthusiastic bug signaling; -- helping in bug fixing, testing, QAing; -- joining many more Communities; -- sharing new (their) knowledge, experiences and use cases; -- and so on. On the contrary if you don't say anything about future, you could remaining dubious, at least. Personally, for example, I don't kwow if Python (controlled by The Python Foundation) has a chance to substitute Java (controlled by Oracle and...). It's again our opinion. What do you think about it? Have a nice afternoon, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Crash with LibreOffice 3.3.2rc1-Impress
Il 12/03/2011 10:19, Andreas Mantke ha scritto: Hi all, I get an crash with LibreOffice 3.3.2rc1in the modul Impress if I create in my presentation a new slide (layout title and field with a listing. I change to the outline view and copy the outline from another presentation (beginning with the listing and ending with the title and the listing of a second slide) into the listing of my current presentation. Impress crashed short after this action. I explored the situation a bit and tried again with a title in the new slide (of my current presentation) and every thing works. In my opinion the crash is caused from the missing title of the new slide. My environment: openSuSE 11.3-x64, KDE 4.4.4, LibreOffice 3.3.2-x64-rc1. Regards, Andreas Hi Andreas, I suppose your LibreOffice is the vanilla one (that one, in the linux, x86-64, rpm version, you could download fron www.libreoffice.org). Have you tried to uninstall it and install directly from the OpenSuSE Build Service that has released just yesterday: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/ You can, with root rights: - copy from the 11.3 directory the .repo file in your /etc/zypp/repos.d directory; - activate the repo autoupdate: -- with yast repo management or -- this command sequence --- zypper lr --- take the LibreOffice repo number/index (said lorn) --- zypper mr -r lorn r - install LibreOffice, explicitly adding your language (german I suppose) support too, with: -- yast or -- command line: --- zypper in libreoffice --- SuSEconfig Test again your behavior, your trouble, your problem and post here again. Have a nice day, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Crash with LibreOffice 3.3.2rc1-Impress
Il 12/03/2011 11:16, Carlo Strata ha scritto: Il 12/03/2011 10:19, Andreas Mantke ha scritto: Hi all, I get an crash with LibreOffice 3.3.2rc1in the modul Impress if I create in my presentation a new slide (layout title and field with a listing. I change to the outline view and copy the outline from another presentation (beginning with the listing and ending with the title and the listing of a second slide) into the listing of my current presentation. Impress crashed short after this action. I explored the situation a bit and tried again with a title in the new slide (of my current presentation) and every thing works. In my opinion the crash is caused from the missing title of the new slide. My environment: openSuSE 11.3-x64, KDE 4.4.4, LibreOffice 3.3.2-x64-rc1. Regards, Andreas Hi Andreas, I suppose your LibreOffice is the vanilla one (that one, in the linux, x86-64, rpm version, you could download fron www.libreoffice.org). Have you tried to uninstall it and install directly from the OpenSuSE Build Service that has released just yesterday: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/ You can, with root rights: - copy from the 11.3 directory the .repo file in your /etc/zypp/repos.d directory; - activate the repo autoupdate: -- with yast repo management or -- this command sequence --- zypper lr --- take the LibreOffice repo number/index (said lorn) --- zypper mr -r lorn r - install LibreOffice, explicitly adding your language (german I suppose) support too, with: -- yast or -- command line: --- zypper in libreoffice --- SuSEconfig Test again your behavior, your trouble, your problem and post here again. Have a nice day, Carlo Sorry the right refresh command is: zypper mr -r lorn without the ending r I had previously written. Another thing is very useful to do: could you test the trouble with vanilla OpenOffice.org 3.3.0, linux, x86-64? We have to create a list of the OOo 3.3.0 / Libò 3.3.2 common bugs (fixed or not) to complete the quality release and so your test on both platforms is important. Thank you, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [OT] Japan Earthquake
Il 12/03/2011 00:44, NoOp ha scritto: To all the LibreOffice/TDF users/contributors in Japan areas affected by the earthquake, I wish you, your families, and friends well. Gary Mee too, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] [QA] Writer table doesn't keep F2 changes (probably OpenSuSE specific)
Hi Everyone, I want to point out this bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34565 because has an high user impact. Davide and me are supposing this is an OpenSuSE specific bug so that I cc'ed this mail to my SuSE friends ;-) All bug information are in the bug descriptions. What do you think? Have a nice day, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] test - having list access problems
Hi Florian! This happens also with, e.g., us...@it.libreoffice.org I think it's a true problem! Carlo Il 27/01/2011 21:02, Florian Effenberger ha scritto: As the list name says, it is an ANNOUNCEMENT list. You can NOT post there. :) yahoo-pier_andreit wrote on 2011-01-27 20.15: confirm the problem at Italian listannou...@it.libreoffice.org , I sent subscription mail I received subscription confirmation mail I sent back subscription mail I received confirmation welcome of subscription I received also an options available mail I sent a test I don't receive any mail I sent again subscription mail I received an already inscription mail I sent another test I din't receive any mail what happens??:-) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] test - having list access problems
Il 27/01/2011 19:11, alan c ha scritto: test - having list access problems In Italy too we are sometime observing some first subscripton troubles like: - sending subscription mail - ok; - receiving subscription confirmation mail - ok; - sending back subuscription confirmation mail - ok; - receiving mailing list mails - ko !!! Sometime: - resending a subscription mail; - mailing list system correctly answer that the mail address has been correctly and already subscribed; - than mails start arriving. But only sometime. In other times mails immediately start to arrive, but after some messages they stop... Whats the matter? This happen both on global and with local mailing lists. Thank you, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice 3.3 exits when closing credits window
Il 25/01/2011 15:03, Kevin André ha scritto: Hi. I downloaded the 3.3 release today and installed it. Started LibreOffice itself (not Writer or Calc), then went to LibreOffice Credits in the Help menu. When I closed that window, LibreOffice exited. If I try this with LibreOffice Writer instead of LibreOffice, the credits window behaves normally. Can someone else reproduce this? +1 OpenSuSE build, linux, x86-64, LibreOffice 3.3.0 OOO330m19 (Build:6) tag libreoffice-3.3.0.4 Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Linux distros and LibO packaging
Il 09/01/2011 16:56, RGB ES ha scritto: Good idea! Maybe a wiki page will be enough, but someone from each distro with enough knowledge should fill their part. On my experience, when giving support to OOo users on Linux many of their problems came from distro patches and were not present on vanilla build (anyone remember when kde4 integration appeared on openSUSE, offering to their users 0 KiB .doc files?). Or the long awaited pdf export xref bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615812 ? Or the recent OpenSuSE build Libò bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=664516 ? On both I tried helping to solve problems. Carlo 2011/1/9 Jean-Baptiste Faurejbf.fa...@orange.fr: Hi all, I think that we should have a webpage where Linux distributions who are packaging LibO, could list what changes they made compared to the official build by TDF. I see two main advantages : - for users and helpers : they will know easier if a problem comes from LibO or from packaging - for QA : it will be easier to know if a test done, for example on a version from Ubuntu PPA, may be consider as valid or not for LibO from a general point of view. Last but not least, that will increase transparency : we will know what we are talking about when we will talk about LibreOffice. ;-) So, is it a good idea to ask the Linux distributions to publish the changes they made to the official build ? Best regards JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Linux distros and LibO packaging
Il 19/01/2011 11:56, Rene Engelhard ha scritto: Hi, On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 09:49:51PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: and, possibly, Debian might need to ship an acceptably free version by their own standards if there were any doubt as to the appropriate freeness of the LibreOffice code by the standards of the particular distribution involved. yep. In addition, Debian may need to patch heavily to meet the requirements of some of the disparate hardware architectures, for example. Well, not that heavily, and even if so I'd immediately give that back anyways. I think this is the key!!! To give patch immediately (!) back to TDF and explain that in the, e.g., proposed distro patch wiki. I also think that install Libò from one distro's repository is very useful to maintain LibreOffice updated as well as the entire whole system software and being able to install only a file if this is the need instead of reinstall/update all the stuff (the whole vanilla Libò tar.gz)!!! Isn't it? But I think TDF could also be the place in which all distros together discuss about new functionality before (!) implement it. TDF has been made to collect people ideas, discussions, software bugs and not only to serve people code. We are a bowl, we live in a XXI century very interesting bowl. We must understand this... Are we? We are here to avoid branches, to merge previously existing projects (Go-OO, NeoOffice, BrOffice, OOo4Kids, ...) in one big, open and with specific sectors (but single) Project! We are here to avoid wasting human efforts. We are here...! ;-) Grüße/Regards, René Have a nice evening, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Proposal of workgroup creation...
I think this kind of wiki pages may be high quality ones! So I think they are welcome and very useful like, however, many other high level wikis. With reference to the migration wiki I would underline the need of a macro and VBA migration wiki. With also some looks to the next LibreOffice Calc Engine (or Spread as well as Barbara Duprey likes ;-) so that people already know where we are going to. I talk about macros and VBA because, e.g., in Italy we have [1] some important solar energy system design Excel 2007 (or upper) sheets also for economic evaluation and time economic simulation and one sheet for building energetic certification. These sheets: - SIMULARE_9.xlsm by eng. Alessandro Caffarelli; - Certificare_1.0.xls by eng. Giovanna de Simone are free released by they are working only on Microsoft Excle 2007 (or upper). I already contact them (the two engineers) explait them OOo 3.3, TDF, Libò 3.3, multi-platform, openness, open licenses, ...: they understand and agree to the values but at the moment they have no time to migrate (and re teach themselves another Office suite). The two engineers are working in Rome also in a high quality spin off of the Università degli Studi di Roma TOR Vergata, one of Rome's Universities. So, may be I (and/or other people) will tray (in the next future and speaking with the two enginners) to convert/migrate these useful sheets to spread this software market for a better energy quality World and so I could appreciate the wiki and I could also integrate it with new content. My 2 cents. Carlo p.s. [1] http://www.ingalessandrocaffarelli.it/ http://giovannadesimone.wordpress.com/ http://www.ingegneri.cc/ http://www.energeticambiente.it/ http://www.ingegneri.cc/articolo/3798/Disponibile-gratuitamente-nuovo-simulatore-fotovoltaico-in-Conto-Energia-2011 http://giovannadesimone.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/software-gratuito-per-la-certificazione-energetica-degli-edifici/ Il 16/01/2011 12:49, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: Hi, I believe that Olivier has a point here, but Francesc (welcome, Francesc!) has an interesting idea. Wiki pages collecting methodologies, feedback on migrations, knowledge, etc. can only help rising the level of service providers and help even our developers and marketeers gain a deeper understanding of these issues. In fact I could go even further and claim there aren''t many people who have a solid understanding of these matters, even here. So I would like to support the creation of this workgroup (let's be informal here), knowing that indeed it cannot replace actual consultancy but can generate interesting and valubale materials. Francesc, please feel free to open page(s) on the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org, I'll be glad to help if I can , and perhaps would Olivier add some more content too :-) Best, Charles. Le Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:03:48 -0200, Olivier Hallotolivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org a écrit : Francesc, I am working on a 120.000 desktop migration. I think I saw many things that is good and evil. This is a change management project, and you can put it entirely into a PMBOK vanilla change management project. That does not means it will be easy to execute. Vendor lock-in thru specific proprietary extensions in migration projects is the holy grail of all users that hate the idea of loosing their beloved old and costly proprietary suite. If you fix this, they will cut their wrists and bleed to death. Beware! :-) You may publish tons of recomendations in a workgroup for this purpose, it will not avoid the need of a high qualified consultancy in migration. Whoever attemps to migrate large corporation just reading a couple of pages if doomed. You don't do change management that big without external help. Olivier Em 15-01-2011 12:30, Francesc Mediterranean escreveu: Dear colleagues, I write to you to ask for your opinion relating to the evolution of libreoffice. I believe that could be very interesting to create a group for the creation of the methodology of migration of libroffice . I propose that the group should be called Process Methodology In my opinion, we must create the element to solve the change between MS office to Libre office, that is the methodology of migration / implementatin, defining the phases to developing, the content of this phases, the priorización, and other. From here I offer volunteer to initiate the development of this methodology, because I believe that it will be the tipping point, to promote the presence of libreoffice in the companies and public organizations, I will be grateful for your comments Regards Francesc X. Berjano Mail:franc...@mediterranean-consulting.com Twitter; @fxberjano Skype: FX_Mediterranean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [QA] Fuzzy (OpenSuSE build) LibreOffice 3.3rc2 and rc3 writer table formula (works fine in OOo 3.3rc9!!!)
Il 13/01/2011 21:51, Petr Mladek ha scritto: Carlo Strata píše v Čt 13. 01. 2011 v 21:11 +0100: Hi Everyone, I have just updated my LibreOffice 3.3rc2 to rc3 (linux, x86-64, OpenSuSE Build Service/OBS build, kernel 2.6.36.3, java 1.6.0 update 23 x86-64). LibreOffice 3.3.0 OOO330m19 (Build:5) tag libreoffice-3.3.0.3 Since yesterday, and surely since LO 3.3rc2, I fall with this trouble. - Download the following document (created with OOo 3.3rc9, linux, x86-64, vanilla) http://digilander.libero.it/carlo.strata/carlo/Writer%20table%20troubles,%20created%20by%20OOo%203.3rc9.odt - putting the mouse over the Total labeled cell, you'll see a tooltip like adapt/resize the row (this is correct, I suppose) - click now on the lowest right cell (the sum cell), select its content and delete it (e.g. press the CANC/DEL key) - in the automatic appeared table toolbar click on the SUM icon (an uppercase sigma letter) and then press enter to accept the sum proposed/suggested parameter (e.g.C2|C3|C4) - save and close the document - reopen the just saved document - putting again the mouse over the Total labeled cell, you'll now see a different tooltip that is the same as you were over the sum cell (this is not correct of course) - if you now also click over the Total label, you will see a formula error explosion on many table cells (this is not correct at all). Hmm, it does not look good. On OOo 3.3rc9, linux, x86-64, vanilla, all works fine. Is this an OpenSuSE LibreOffice only bug? Is this an all LibreOffices only bug? I have reproduced the bug with the LO-3.3-rc3 build for SLED11-SP1. I do not see it with the plain LO-3.3-rc3 build = it is SUSE-specific. Carlo, could you please report it into the Novell bugzilla at https://bugzilla.novell.com ? Done: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=664516 A writer table formula (may be a calc trouble) replicate itself on many table cells Cedric, Kohei, I am not sure if it is a bug in Writer or Calc. I guess that it is caused by the an extra patch from the build/patches directory. Does it trigger any bell? I think it may be a + or - 1 outrange table cell addressing... or something like that. I see it also on SLED10, so it should not be caused by the split build. Carlo, thanks a lot for reporting the problem. I want we build a better community and a better Office application: we must pursue Quality at all. With this purpose I suggest to us evaluating to solve this Impress issue in Libò 3.3 http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=116339 Impress freeze opening the issue file. OOo has just assigned it to DEV branch outside OOo 3.3, we have an occasion to improve them: it's now time to change in people minds what they thought about go-oo and derived quality. Isn't it? Best Regards, Petr Best Libò 2011! Ciao, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [QA] Fuzzy (OpenSuSE build) LibreOffice 3.3rc2 and rc3 writer table formula (works fine in OOo 3.3rc9!!!)
Il 14/01/2011 14:30, Kohei Yoshida ha scritto: Hello Petr, On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 21:51 +0100, Petr Mladek wrote: I have reproduced the bug with the LO-3.3-rc3 build for SLED11-SP1. I do not see it with the plain LO-3.3-rc3 build = it is SUSE-specific. Yup, I did reproduce the problem in the build from SUSE's repository. Indeed this looks bad. Cedric, Kohei, I am not sure if it is a bug in Writer or Calc. This is a Writer table, so it has no relation to Calc's code. If it could help, I discover this bug reopening a file of mine that I saved on November 2010 the 10th with this OpenSuSE build: meta:generatorLibreOffice/3.3$Unix OpenOffice.org_project/330m9$Build-1/meta:generator I take this tag from meta.xml obtained unzipping my the odt file, suggested in this by Renzo Bianchi of the Italian OOo Language Group (Plio) to whom I also belong as well as Italo Vignoli that you already know, I suppose. ;-) Fortunately I succeed in reading the modified cells with AbiWord 2.8.6 (OpenSuSE build too); so may point out some useful information like the bug may be a rendering trouble or something like that. I guess that it is caused by the an extra patch from the build/patches directory. Does it trigger any bell? First thing that comes to mind is the extra formula support in Writer table which was still a patch in the build repo not integrated into LibreOffice proper. That's probably the only thing that I can think of. But I think Cedric would be the better person to figure this out. Kohei Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] What about NeoOffice integration in Libò (a nd viceversa): to merge and not to wast e/spread efforts?
Hi Everyone! Happy new year! What about NeoOffice integration in Libò (and viceversa): to merge and not to waste/spread efforts? It's only a license trouble??? I think that XXI century FLOSS development has to change in the mean of merging efforts (in the right open project) not to spread them (in avoidable forks). Modularization or similar idea has to be used to specialize code, gui, method, and so on. I'd like to see as soon as possible on NeoOffice home or download pages a message like that on go-oo old site: http://planet.go-oo.org/ that now is Go-oo has been made obsolete by the exciting new LibreOffice project. Read their planet here. This is THE WAY to give people and the WHOLE World a strong message, to collect many consensus and to make our community to grow up fast!!! What are we waiting for?? Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: What about NeoOffice integration in Libò (and vicevers a): to merge and not to waste/spread ef forts?
Il 06/01/2011 12:17, Alexander Thurgood ha scritto: Hi Carlo, Le 06/01/11 10:59, Carlo Strata a écrit : What are we waiting for?? For the NeoOffice project leaders to show an interest in collaborating ? I haven't yet seen anything on the lists from any of the Neo devs, in particular Patrick Luby. Perhaps he is just keeping himself to himself, after all that is his free choice to do so if he so wishes. Another point to mention is that NeoOffice makes very heavy use of the Java framework on the Mac. Given the current legal fog surrounding the use of official Java versions by Oracle (you might like to check out why the Apache project has officially resigned from the Java cooperation council), the LibreOffice devs are currently looking at minimising java code intrusion into the current LibO code base going forward, something that the NeoOffice project might not look on too favourably if it has become the cornerstone of their OS integration on the Mac. The LibO Base module is a prime candidate for change, as are some of the filter implementations (FlatXML most notably). At least one dev is working on de-java-ising XML filter functionality. At least another is looking at trying to get SQLite to work better with LibO, which if it works, may or may not become the replacement for HSQLdb. At least the option will be there to try a different embedded/embeddable database (if it works). Alex Hi Alex, I personally think that: - SQLite is a good choice to substitute HSQLdb; - Python is the best choice to substitute Java where portability of after packaging additional software is important (where isn't it?); -- so Python is the best choice to develop, e.g., Libò extensions for all platforms avoiding minor platforms discrimination; - we can not only helping to change NeoOffice, but also use his correct/intelligent ideas, interfaces, guis, ... where applicable (merging the best of each one!!!). We must collaborate to achieve an always better suite. Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] What about NeoOff ice integration in Libò (and viceversa): to merge and not to waste/spread efforts?
Il 06/01/2011 13:27, Fabián Rodríguez ha scritto: On 11-01-06 04:59 AM, Carlo Strata wrote: Hi Everyone! Happy new year! What about NeoOffice integration in Libò (and viceversa): to merge and not to waste/spread efforts? [...] What notable advantages (other than logistic) are there to use NeoOffice instead of the Mac versions of LibreOffice ? I've helped install and use LibreOffice on Mac and had great feedback so far. Several reasons for staying a separate project from OOo (and probably from LibreOffice) are listed here: http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/faq.php#11 Cheers, Fabian -- LibreOffice questions ? Des questions sur LibreOffice ? Preguntas acerca de LibreOffice ? Ask LibreOffice: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ ~ Fabián Rodríguez http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab Il 06/01/2011 12:00, Uwe Altmann ha scritto: Hi Carlo Am 06.01.11 10:59, schrieb Carlo Strata: What about NeoOffice integration in Libò (and viceversa): to merge and not to waste/spread efforts? It's only a license trouble??? You got the point! There are two possibilities: 1. LibO changes from LGPL to GPL license. There are some good reasons not to do this. Besides it would be not that easy just because the missing of a Contributor Agreement (CA) and therefore the lack of a one and only license holder who could decide and change that. 2. NeoOffice changes from GPL to LGPL. Ask Patrick and Ed about that. Be prepared to get burned ;-) So I don't understand why here http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters/ there is NeoOffice. I think it's now time to make clearness in our community with respect to NeoOffice future steps, isn't it? I mean with respect to the next future as well as a more far one. carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] What about NeoOff ice integration in Libò (and viceversa): to merge and not to waste/spread efforts?
Il 06/01/2011 20:04, Italo Vignoli ha scritto: On 01/06/2011 10:59 AM, Carlo Strata wrote: What are we waiting for?? We have been in touch with Ed Peterlin and Patrick Luby. Any step in any direction will not happen before The Document Foundation has been established as a legal entity. Hi Italo, fine! What I personally hope is that the whole NeoOffice team will close (!) NeoOffice development, that team, know how and code are all flowed to LibreOffice (!) and that the NeoOffice team time is used to manage the LibreOffice Mac OS X development and package builds, may be both on 32 bit and 64 bit Mac platform (!), keeping all the rest of the code aligned, and so updated, to the main Libò one!!! In this way we could have a better and an updated high quality Mac Office suite (LibreOffice for Mac) surely more updated than how much NeoOffice now is (3.1.2) with respect to OpenOffice.org (near to 3.3.0). Isn't it? Carlo p.s. As I stated on another post I also think that the big java NeoOffice dependencies may be transformed in a native (C/C++, SQLite) or Python dependencies. Python is a powerful, modern and a foundation (!) controlled language (Python Software Foundation, psf see below). http://www.python.org/ http://www.python.org/about/ http://www.python.org/psf/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_%28programming_language%29 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] After having joined OIN...
Il 21/12/2010 10:45, Thorsten Behrens ha scritto: Carlo Strata wrote: After having joined OIN, two next good steps may be join: - http://www.oasis-open.org/about/contributors.php Hi Carlo, this unfortunately incurs annual costs, so it would have to wait until the financial situation has solidified. Meanwhile, there are individual members of TDF involved with OASIS. Fine: in some way, we already are there... - http://www.odfalliance.org/members.php That's a good idea indeed. We'll have to check whether it makes sense to wait until the foundation is established, or whether joining with a community and a charta is ok. Fine too. ODF remarks are always good and clear signs of open TDF future move. Cheers, -- Thorsten Thank you, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] After having joined OIN...
Il 21/12/2010 12:58, Italo Vignoli ha scritto: Carlo Strata wrote: After having joined OIN, two next good steps may be join: - http://www.oasis-open.org/about/contributors.php - http://www.odfalliance.org/members.php We have also joined the OpenDoc Society, and the official announcement will be on January 11. Hi Italo, I didn't know http://www.opendocsociety.org/ but I think it's another good step forward openness, interoperability, and collaboration around ODF use as stated on the home page. I like it. Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] After having joined OIN...
Hi Everyone! After having joined OIN, two next good steps may be join: - http://www.oasis-open.org/about/contributors.php - http://www.odfalliance.org/members.php What do you think about? Have a nice evening, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Change executable names] Re: Digest of discuss@documentfoundation.org issue 127 (3742-3762)
Il 18/12/2010 14:21, MiguelAngel ha scritto: What is critical and impossible? The associations are with a executable file in a specific path. No problem for two files with same name in different paths. No problem to change the association to an executable file with the same name in a different path. Libo 3.3rc1 and OOo 3.3rc8 on same disk, also OOo 3.2.1 in a portable mode (3.2.1 over 3.2.0 portable) On 18/12/10 2:09, NoOp wrote: On 12/17/2010 05:53 AM, Jaime R. Garza wrote: As many others already commented, I believe it's time that LibreOffice changes the names of some of the individual applications, my humble proposal: Write Spread I think Calc is better than Spread because point out the application main purpose that is to execute many *calcs* rather than being mainly (a) spread (sheet), isn't it? However I think for 3.3 it is better to maintain the OOo names and then (3.4, 4.0, ...) rethinking icons, names and so on. Carlo Present Draw Formula Base This is critical when attempting to have OOo and LibO co-exist on Windows. - LO takes over all OOo application defaults icons. - LO uses the same executable names as OOo (soffice.exe, swriter.exe, etc). This makes it impossible to select an .odt and re-associate it with OOo. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Text Object view problems after copy / paste
Il 10/12/2010 07:05, Rainer Bielefeld ha scritto: Hi, can someone confirm problems from https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32236 with other OS than WIN? Please comment in the Bug! Best regards Rainer I also test the bug on my updated OpenSuSE 11.2 x86-64, Gnome 2.30.2 (also installed KDE 4.5.4) with: - LibreOffice 3.3.0, OOO330m17 (Build:3), libreoffice-build 3.3.0.1, linux x86-64 (OpenSuSE Build Service release from here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/ rc1 said) - OpenOffice.org 3.3.0, OOO330m17 (Build:9551), linux x86-64 (vanilla one, rc7 said) *testkit* results - Both OOo and LO works fine (!) - and also your copypasteresult.odt opens fine (!!!), Windows port rendering trouble? *AdditionalTestKit* results - pasting all WriterSample.odt content into Impress / Draw (both tested): -- both OOo and LO works the same; -- text is *badly* rendered: only the first text line is rendered in the Writer object inside Impress / Draw and that line is repeated n times (as you already pointed out); -- this behavior is the same also running the presentation in Impress. - pasting Draw object into Writer / Impress -- both OOo and LO works the same; -- text is *badly* rendered: the first line of each paragraph is repeated n times, where n seems to be exactly the number of lines in which each paragraph is rendered in the original Writer / Impress object (!!!); -- this behavior is the same also running the presentation in Impress. I will post these test results both on OOo and LO bugs asap. HTH, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] [QA] LibreOffice beta 3 (3.2.99.3)
Hi Everyone, I'm speaking about new beta 3 (see src directory) OpenSuSE build (-9.1). This release hasn't yet been built as vanilla, but it is as OpenSuSE (see Build Service). I want only to point out some things: - ok - now applications starts at the first run (fixed in beta 3); - ko - when you close one application's last document or when you run the global application you do not get any more the global splash screen/menu in the center of the window and with all the applications listed with their icons (regression from beta 2); - ko - when you run Writer (Calc is ok) you get an empty toolbar in the third toolbar raw; this toolbar seems to be not listed on View - Toolbars menu (remains from beta 2), but you could close it with its local menu; - ko - as already posted GUI still remain in english and Italian GUI language isn't yet selectable on the Tools menu - Options - Language Settings - Languages - Language of - User Interface option (remains from beta 2). But this isn't a bug because Beta2 has been released as EN-US so far, as Scott Furry said in 19/10/2010 18:35 (Italy time, CET). Hope that help, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [QA] LibreOffice beta 3 (3.2.99.3)
Il 16/11/2010 14:44, Petr Mladek ha scritto: Carlo Strata píše v Út 16. 11. 2010 v 13:14 +0100: Hi Everyone, I'm speaking about new beta 3 (see src directory) OpenSuSE build (-9.1). This release hasn't yet been built as vanilla, but it is as OpenSuSE (see Build Service). We are just doing final smoke test of the universal build before we make it public. Hmm, the full openSUSE build is available only for openSUSE-11.1 and SLED11, SLED11-SP1. I still have some troubles on other distros. Sigh, I forgot to disable publishing before it is complete Don't worry: it's an unstable repo, we know it: we all are testing it and helping the Libò development. As usual (but I'm installing a clean x86-64 OpenSuSE 11.3 asap), I'm using an updated OpenSuSE 11.2 x86-64 with about 43 OBS repos among whom http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/openSUSE_11.2/ I want only to point out some things: - ok - now applications starts at the first run (fixed in beta 3); Yup, it has been fixed by Kendy. - ko - when you close one application's last document or when you run the global application you do not get any more the global splash screen/menu in the center of the window and with all the applications listed with their icons (regression from beta 2); I do not see this in the universal build = it is openSUSE-specific. I see that Yi Fan reported it as https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=653519 - ko - when you run Writer (Calc is ok) you get an empty toolbar in the third toolbar raw; this toolbar seems to be not listed on View - Toolbars menu (remains from beta 2), but you could close it with its local menu; It seems to be openSUSE-specific as well. Could you please report it at https://bugzilla.novell.com/ against the product OpenOffice.org? Done: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=654039 LibreOffice - Writer opens with an empty toolbar Do you think we also need to add LibreOffice to the Products and/or Component list? Or it still wait may be warding off ill-luck and propitiatory... for a big and comprehensive future? ;-) - ko - as already posted GUI still remain in english and Italian GUI language isn't yet selectable on the Tools menu - Options - Language Settings - Languages - Language of - User Interface option (remains from beta 2). But this isn't a bug because Beta2 has been released as EN-US so far, as Scott Furry said in 19/10/2010 18:35 (Italy time, CET). This is openSUSE specific and reported as https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=651964 Thanks a lot for testing and feedback. It is great to know about such bugs early! Best Regards, Petr Thank you, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: PPC Mac, Solaris and windows x86_64 Releases
I think we could also think about these builds: - MacOSX 64 bit on both PPC and X86-64 platforms (I don't know if it exists a MacOSX PPC 64 bit OS...); - Windows 64 bit at least on x86-64 platform (IA64 one may not interest to people) All builds like those we could find for: - upcoming Firefox 4.0 here http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/ and here the language packs http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central-l10n/ - upcoming Adobe Flash Player 10.2 (Square) http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html What do you think? Carlo Il 14/10/2010 12:27, Nikola Yanev ha scritto: Are there any plans to make an ppc release for MacOSX, because there is a folder on the download page, but with no contents. Also some users are asking about x86_64 releases for windows too as Solaris ones too. http://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/166425833374158 - asking for the solaris release http://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/166388576711217 - asking for ppc release http://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/166385503378191 - asking for windows x86_64 release Thanx a lot! -- http://www.ubuntu.com/ Nikola Yanev http://www.gericom.free.bg http://www.gericom.wordpress.com Linux, Mac OS X PC installing Open Source Software support and translations Part of Ubuntu Bulgarian Translators Team EUROPE Bulgaria 8001 Burgas 57 Macedonia str. 1st floor, 2nd apartment Mobile:+359885321589 ---This mail was sent from Ubuntu by Evolution--- http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/ -- Unsubscribe information: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to the lists are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenSuSE and Libò
Il 20/10/2010 19:14, Petr Mladek ha scritto: Petr Mladek píše v Út 19. 10. 2010 v 19:04 +0200: Carlo Strata píše v Út 19. 10. 2010 v 18:25 +0200: Il 15/10/2010 12:50, Petr Mladek ha scritto: You might find the first packages at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/ I'm preparing my notebook to the Italian Linux Day (on October the 23th). On my OpenSuSE 11.2 (I'm not sure to install a new 11.3 from scratch before that day, but may be I've just bought a new 2.5 7.200 rpm hd) I've just: - uninstalled OOo 3.2.1.6 Novell/Go-OO from OBS (STABLE); - unistalled vanilla Libò 3.3 beta 2; - installed vanilla OOo 3.3 RC1 italian; - installed Novell/TDF Libò 3.3 beta 2 from OBS (UNSTABLE). All packages are/were x86-64. Libò 3.3b2 inherit OOo 3.2.1.6 configuration data (i.e. User Information and so on), while OOo 3.3 RC1 doesn't. All goes well, but OBS Libò 3.3b2 UI (and help too) is (are) in English and not in Italian. Vanilla OOo 3.3 RC1 has Italian UI and Help. This are installed packages: -- libreoffice-help-it-3.2.99.2-4.1.noarch -- libreoffice-l10n-it-3.2.99.2-3.1.noarch Libò Writer - Tools - Options - Language Settings - Languages - Language of - User interface shows only: - Default - English (USA) - English (USA) Any setting yields English UI! What's wrong? What is my mistake? Is it a bug? I will try to install it here tomorrow if time permits. I am sorry, I am on our team workshop this week and work only when time permits. I reproduced it here. The problem is that the following files are missing in the openSUSE packages: /usr/lib64/libreoffice/basis3.3/share/registry/Langpack-it.xcd /usr/lib64/libreoffice/basis3.3/share/registry/res/fcfg_langpack_it.xcd /usr/lib64/libreoffice/basis3.3/share/registry/res/registry_it.xcd I will need to investigate it a bit more to get a fix. A temporary solution would be to copy the files from the universal LibreOffice build. I mean from /opt/libreoffice3/basis3.3/share/registry. I am sorry for the inconveniece. Best Regards, Petr We are here to improve our product all together not to judge ourselves ;-) You are the best! Sorry for my late answer but I'm just go back home! Have a nice evening, Carlo p.s. Before posting this problem I had tried to re-install -it- packages you pointed out in your previous mail, but as you can guess it doesn't help me! :-) -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenSuSE and Libò
Il 15/10/2010 12:50, Petr Mladek ha scritto: Kohei Yoshida píše v St 13. 10. 2010 v 11:55 -0400: Sorry for the top-posting, but I wanted to preserve the context for Petr (CC'ed). Petr is the man you want to talk to with this sort of question. I'm sure he'll provide more details on this. Kohei On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:44 +0200, Carlo Strata wrote: 2. When does Novell/OpenSuSE start to build Libò in his (our!) OBS? I mean here: You might find the first packages at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/ Known bugs: + shell wrappers are still ooffice, oowriter, ...; need to discuss the new wrapper names with other distros first + only the LibreOffice branding package is available = you need to replace OpenOffice_org-branding-openSUSE with libreoffice-branding-upstream + must start the application twice for the first time; there is a problem with the automatic extension registration; need to look at it; + extensions are not registered after the update from OpenOffice_org-* packages; a workaround is to reinstall the packages once again; I plan to remove the installation during installation; it will allow users to disable the extensions by themselves + some packages were not renamed, .e.g. OpenOffice_org-thesaurus, ...; they are not built from the main LO sources = will do it later + store user configuration into ~/.libreoffice/3-suse; we might try to share the directory ~/.libreoffice/3 after we fix the incompatible BerkleyDB; I am not sure if it is enough and it is a good idea, though + packages can't be installed in parallel with the generic LibreOffice linux packages; the problem is that both builds use the libreoffice-ure package name; will be solved in beta3; workaround is to install the package using rpm -i instead of rpm -U + SLED10 build is not available; need more love See more known bugs at: + FreeDesktop.org bugzilla: http://alturl.com/dmqve + OOo issuezilla: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/query.cgi + Novell bugzilla: http://alturl.com/qaq5 Best Regards, Petr Hi Petr, I'm preparing my notebook to the Italian Linux Day (on October the 23th). On my OpenSuSE 11.2 (I'm not sure to install a new 11.3 from scratch before that day, but may be I've just bought a new 2.5 7.200 rpm hd) I've just: - uninstalled OOo 3.2.1.6 Novell/Go-OO from OBS (STABLE); - unistalled vanilla Libò 3.3 beta 2; - installed vanilla OOo 3.3 RC1 italian; - installed Novell/TDF Libò 3.3 beta 2 from OBS (UNSTABLE). All packages are/were x86-64. Libò 3.3b2 inherit OOo 3.2.1.6 configuration data (i.e. User Information and so on), while OOo 3.3 RC1 doesn't. All goes well, but OBS Libò 3.3b2 UI (and help too) is (are) in English and not in Italian. Vanilla OOo 3.3 RC1 has Italian UI and Help. This are installed packages: libreoffice-gnome-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-help-en-US-3.2.99.2-3.1.noarch libreoffice-libs-extern-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-mailmerge-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-impress-extensions-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-icon-theme-crystal-3.2.99.2-2.1.noarch libreoffice-math-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-ure-3.2.99.2-2.2.x86_64 libreoffice-branding-upstream-3.2.99.2-2.1.noarch libreoffice-base-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 -- libreoffice-help-it-3.2.99.2-4.1.noarch libreoffice-filters-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-base-drivers-mysql-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-writer-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-icon-theme-oxygen-3.2.99.2-2.1.noarch libreoffice-writer-extensions-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-impress-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-icon-theme-galaxy-3.2.99.2-2.1.noarch libreoffice-pyuno-3.2.99.2-2.2.x86_64 libreoffice-libs-core-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-filters-optional-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-l10n-extras-3.2.99.2-2.1.noarch libreoffice-base-extensions-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-components-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-calc-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-icon-theme-hicontrast-3.2.99.2-2.1.noarch libreoffice-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-libs-gui-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-draw-extensions-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-draw-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 -- libreoffice-l10n-it-3.2.99.2-3.1.noarch libreoffice-calc-extensions-3.2.99.2-2.1.x86_64 libreoffice-icon-theme-tango-3.2.99.2-2.1.noarch Libò Writer - Tools - Options - Language Settings - Languages - Language of - User interface shows only: - Default - English (USA) - English (USA) Any setting yields English UI! What's wrong? What is my mistake? Is it a bug? Thank you, Carlo -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenSuSE and Libò
Il 14/10/2010 12:12, Petr Mladek ha scritto: On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:44 +0200, Carlo Strata wrote: Hi Everyone, this is my first TDF post! :-) I'm an active and long time OpenSuSE and Novell's OOo user and bug poster, too! Now, in my OpenSuSE daily updated 11.2, x86-64, notebook I have Novell/OpenSuSE OBS OOo 3.2.1.6 (x86-64) (still with the famous fixed but not released pdf bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615812). More helping hands are always welcome. Feel free to add the fix to the package, see http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Collaboration Ciao Petr! Thank you! I'd like to make it, but I'm not sure using how much time! Sure there is a more efficient person to do that. And for 3.2.1.x branch remaining life it is convenient that is so. If you take a look to the bug history (last few comments) you could see Debian has already added (merged) and relaesed this fix: now I'm asking why the system force me repeating a task that at least one person has already done all over the world. ;-) More communication, information exchange between distros and between distros and main project portals and newer ideas are needed by XXI century social/cloud development: I'm waiting something revolutionary in this meaning from TDF!!! Efficiency means more reliable and functionality richer code!!! If you look for my Novell/OpenSuSE issues you see that, until now, I had been a bug poster and a bug documenting provider, sometime enhancement suggester too. But in the life we never know the future... ;-) Surely I'll read that collaborating page... My two questions are: 1. May OOo 3.2.1.x/3.3.x and Libò coexist (in the same operating system instance, I mean)? At least in linux? May I go on with just downloaded Libò x86-64 beta2? LibreOffice is continuation of the OpenOffice.org project. We do not plan to provide OpenOffice.org-3.3 for openSUSE. Instead of we are going to provide libreoffice-*-3.3* packages that will replace the older OpenOffice_org packages during the system update. Note that we newer provided the plain OOo packages for openSUSE. We always added the extra patches from the Go-oo project. We are still going to use these extra changes on top of the LibreOffice code. About this there would be many things to say... wouldn't it? From the upper bug history people could see that we know Novell/OpenSuSE OOo is from Go-OO (e.g. 1 million rows in Calc...!) and with the whole features set here http://go-oo.org/discover/ Until OOo - Oracle thread is still foggy, Libò must be identical to vanilla OOo and you/we must still merge remaining Go-OO exclusive features over and in Libò... I hope we soon stop wasting human being time (developer and user too) and refuse creating regression like upper bug is. We all hope Oracle give the whole OOo world, infrastructure, rights, names, and so on to TDF so that we (OOo, Go-OO, NeoO, OOo4Kids, ... and Libò) develop only once. Deo Gratias! If you want more packages in parallel, you might use the universal LibreOffice Linux packages. They might be installed in parallel with the universal OOo packages, old openSUSE OpenOffice_org packages and the upcoming openSUSE libreoffice packages. It is because they are installed into /opt/libreoffice while the others are installed below /opt/openoffice*, /usr/lib/ooo3, /usr/lib/libreoffice You are simply the best! The clearest person all over the World! :-) Thank you! 2. When does Novell/OpenSuSE start to build Libò in his (our!) OBS? I have created the LibreOffice:Unstable project in OBS yesterday. I am running a first test build there. If it goes well, I would publish the libreoffice-3.3-beta2 packages on Friday or Monday. It means that the packages might appear at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable over the weekend or in the beginning of the following week. So I'll probably wait your builds instead of using the universal LibreOffice Linux packages. It's now time for Novell and OpenSuSE whole Community to start giving solid/concrete Libò/TDF support signs! :-) Sure. We do out best. There are just too many things to do. Thank you very much for your great work, ideas and answers! Have a nice evening Thanks for support and understanding. You are always welcome! Best Regards, Petr Sunny day, Carlo PS: Please, keep me in CC if you want fater answer. I have many unread mails on the mailing list :-( Mee too, but I'm happy with TDF time! :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenSuSE and Libò
Il 14/10/2010 18:39, Petr Mladek ha scritto: Carlo Strata píše v Čt 14. 10. 2010 v 17:52 +0200: Il 14/10/2010 12:12, Petr Mladek ha scritto: If you want more packages in parallel, you might use the universal LibreOffice Linux packages. They might be installed in parallel with the universal OOo packages, old openSUSE OpenOffice_org packages and the upcoming openSUSE libreoffice packages. It is because they are installed into /opt/libreoffice while the others are installed below /opt/openoffice*, /usr/lib/ooo3, /usr/lib/libreoffice I was curious and than I'll install vanilla Libò ;-) But after install on my OpenSuSE 11.2 x86-64, I got this message: ca...@carlobook:~ /opt/libreoffice3/program/soffice /opt/libreoffice3/program/soffice.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libuno_sal.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory After googling I understood that this was probably due to the URE package: libreoffice-ure-1.7.0-1.x86_64.rpm which most install in /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure but all other packages instead install themselves in /opt/libreoffice3 so I tried fixing the bug with two test: 1. fails: carlobook:/opt/libreoffice3 # ln -s /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ libreoffice 2. successes: carlobook:/opt/libreoffice3 # ln -s /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure ure Great catch. Hmm, where did you get the libreoffice-ure-1.7.0-1.x86_64.rpm? Mine has the stuff under /opt/libreoffice3 I have just double checked the official beta2 build from http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/. It was http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta2/rpm/x86/LibO_3.3.0_beta2_Linux_x86_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz --- cut --- en-US/RPMS rpm -qlp libreoffice-ure-1.7.0-1.i586.rpm /opt/libreoffice3 /opt/libreoffice3/ure /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/javaldx /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/regcomp --- cut --- I'm 64 bit!!! From here: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta2/rpm/x86_64/ I download and install: LibO-SDK_3.3_beta2_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz 10-Oct-2010 14:26 8.3M LibO-URE_1.7_beta2_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz 10-Oct-2010 14:27 3.8M LibO_3.3.0_beta2_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz 10-Oct-2010 05:29 181M LibO_3.3.0_beta2_Linux_x86-64_langpack-rpm_it.tar.gz 10-Oct-2010 08:40 13M untarring the second file, you'll get the RPMs from which the right one yields: carlobook:/home/condivisioni/Download/OpenOffice/LibreOffice/ure/en-US/RPMS # rpm -qlp libreoffice-ure-1.7.0-1.x86_64.rpm /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/LICENSE /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/README /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/THIRDPARTYLICENSEREADME.html /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/bin /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/bin/javaldx /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/bin/regcomp /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/bin/regcomp.bin /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/bin/regmerge /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/bin/regview /opt/libreoffice/libreoffice/ure/bin/startup.sh [...] But in the URE package inside the main tar.gz (LibO_3.3.0_beta2_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz) the URE package is ok! Look here: carlobook:/home/condivisioni/Download/OpenOffice/LibreOffice/main # rpm -qlp en-US/RPMS/libreoffice-ure-1.7.0-1.x86_64.rpm /opt/libreoffice3 /opt/libreoffice3/ure /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/javaldx /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/regcomp /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/regcomp.bin /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/regmerge /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/regview /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/startup.sh /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/uno /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/uno.bin /opt/libreoffice3/ure/bin/versionrc /opt/libreoffice3/ure/lib /opt/libreoffice3/ure/lib/JREProperties.class [...] So I ask myself what does need the file LibO-URE_1.7_beta2_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz in the directory http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta2/rpm/x86_64/ ? ;-) Delete it! It's wrong and overwrite the right one (if you untar it next the main one)! ;-) Thank you, Carlo BTW: The package libreoffice-ure-1.7.0 will conflict with the upcoming openSUSE-specific package libreoffice-ure-3.2.99.2. We will solve it in 3.3-beta3 release, see http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2010-October/000973.html It means that you will not be able to install the universal libreoffice-3.3-beta2 build and the opensuse libreoffice-*-3.2.99.2 packages at the same time. It should be possible with beta3. I am sorry for the inconvenience. Well, you could install both packages even with beta2 if you use rpm -i instead of rpm -U. Though, it might get broken if you do rpm -U later. Note that YaST/zypper uses rpm -U by default. Best Regards, Petr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives
