Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations system: pay for a feature
Hi Everyone, in any case (!) none has answered to my initial question and moreover has to be avoided changing the thread object and throw away one person's suggest or a simply discuss. So that now I have to renew my question with another all new post!!! Thank you! [OT] I have donate to LibreOffice some money and sure many of my time since 28.09.2010 to spread his use, to make it in mind to many people in Italy and in my local engineer professional association. In any case I think that resources like University Students, Google SoC, ... are and remain useful to both sides ;-) (TDF/Community/Users and Students themselfes). I also want to find an approved new feature list in TDF or LibreOffice site... Have all a sunny day, Carlo ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 16/05/2013 01.58, Steve Edmonds ha scritto: On 2013-05-16 07:45, Joel Madero wrote: Any payments and/or donations must be accounted for and if the person paying has any intent it to go to xyz, then by regulations we may need to account for that payment/donation and where it went to. That is the real problem with targeted donations and payments. There will be a mess in paperwork to deal with it. Opt in, opt out, What it was used for. Keeping track of all of who pays what, for what, can cost more than thepayment in paperwork and legal fees. This has been discussed quite a bit on user list and brought up during ESC at some point and I thought the consensus was we'll just let them do what they want and not endorse, support, etc... any of that. I thought that kept us out of legal muddy waters. It'd be similar to me just going to a friend who is a programmer and saying dude, can I pay you $100 to fix this issue - a contract completely out of TDF's hands. Best, Joel Would this paid for feature not then create a fork in the code, then are you committing to maintaining that branch until some time (may be never) that the branch feature is voted into the main code base. It seems a bit impractical when you have a continually evolving product to pay to add a feature unless you are assured it will be included in the main code base and maintained. Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations system: pay for a feature
Hello Carlo, Le jeudi 16 mai 2013 à 09:09 +0200, Carlo Strata a écrit : Hi Everyone, in any case (!) none has answered to my initial question and moreover has to be avoided changing the thread object and throw away one person's suggest or a simply discuss. So that now I have to renew my question with another all new post!!! Thank you! [OT] I have donate to LibreOffice some money and sure many of my time since 28.09.2010 to spread his use, to make it in mind to many people in Italy and in my local engineer professional association. Thank you a lot BTW! In any case I think that resources like University Students, Google SoC, ... are and remain useful to both sides ;-) (TDF/Community/Users and Students themselfes). I also want to find an approved new feature list in TDF or LibreOffice site... I think we do have what you are looking for: https://www.libreoffice.org/features/ (and linked pages from there) https://www.libreoffice.org/index.php/download/4-0-new-features-and-fixes/ and of course, the wiki pages: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0 Hope this helps, Charles. Have all a sunny day, Carlo ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 16/05/2013 01.58, Steve Edmonds ha scritto: On 2013-05-16 07:45, Joel Madero wrote: Any payments and/or donations must be accounted for and if the person paying has any intent it to go to xyz, then by regulations we may need to account for that payment/donation and where it went to. That is the real problem with targeted donations and payments. There will be a mess in paperwork to deal with it. Opt in, opt out, What it was used for. Keeping track of all of who pays what, for what, can cost more than thepayment in paperwork and legal fees. This has been discussed quite a bit on user list and brought up during ESC at some point and I thought the consensus was we'll just let them do what they want and not endorse, support, etc... any of that. I thought that kept us out of legal muddy waters. It'd be similar to me just going to a friend who is a programmer and saying dude, can I pay you $100 to fix this issue - a contract completely out of TDF's hands. Best, Joel Would this paid for feature not then create a fork in the code, then are you committing to maintaining that branch until some time (may be never) that the branch feature is voted into the main code base. It seems a bit impractical when you have a continually evolving product to pay to add a feature unless you are assured it will be included in the main code base and maintained. Steve -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-Founder Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations system: pay for a feature
Hi Charles, thank you very much but with approved new feature I meant next releases features that are not yet implemented but wanted features, wanted by Community and/or TDF. I have found something similar here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA in the Enhancement requests (experimental) link that take you here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement that is, obviously, a set of collected enhanced issues... I also remember that the initial pdf/a develop was done by an Italian developer... I think to be part of the big the digital preservation of electronic documents business is one of the good thing to pursuit. In the famous release plan page would be useful to put the features that TDF, Developer and Community intend to include in each version: if you want say it a featured road map, something like this: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/1.5.x_Roadmap Have a nice afternoon, Carlo ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 16/05/2013 10.50, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: Hello Carlo, Le jeudi 16 mai 2013 à 09:09 +0200, Carlo Strata a écrit : Hi Everyone, in any case (!) none has answered to my initial question and moreover has to be avoided changing the thread object and throw away one person's suggest or a simply discuss. So that now I have to renew my question with another all new post!!! Thank you! [OT] I have donate to LibreOffice some money and sure many of my time since 28.09.2010 to spread his use, to make it in mind to many people in Italy and in my local engineer professional association. Thank you a lot BTW! In any case I think that resources like University Students, Google SoC, ... are and remain useful to both sides ;-) (TDF/Community/Users and Students themselfes). I also want to find an approved new feature list in TDF or LibreOffice site... I think we do have what you are looking for: https://www.libreoffice.org/features/ (and linked pages from there) https://www.libreoffice.org/index.php/download/4-0-new-features-and-fixes/ and of course, the wiki pages: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0 Hope this helps, Charles. Have all a sunny day, Carlo ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 16/05/2013 01.58, Steve Edmonds ha scritto: On 2013-05-16 07:45, Joel Madero wrote: Any payments and/or donations must be accounted for and if the person paying has any intent it to go to xyz, then by regulations we may need to account for that payment/donation and where it went to. That is the real problem with targeted donations and payments. There will be a mess in paperwork to deal with it. Opt in, opt out, What it was used for. Keeping track of all of who pays what, for what, can cost more than thepayment in paperwork and legal fees. This has been discussed quite a bit on user list and brought up during ESC at some point and I thought the consensus was we'll just let them do what they want and not endorse, support, etc... any of that. I thought that kept us out of legal muddy waters. It'd be similar to me just going to a friend who is a programmer and saying dude, can I pay you $100 to fix this issue - a contract completely out of TDF's hands. Best, Joel Would this paid for feature not then create a fork in the code, then are you committing to maintaining that branch until some time (may be never) that the branch feature is voted into the main code base. It seems a bit impractical when you have a continually evolving product to pay to add a feature unless you are assured it will be included in the main code base and maintained. Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations system: pay for a feature
Hello Carlo, Le jeudi 16 mai 2013 à 14:07 +0200, Carlo Strata a écrit : Hi Charles, thank you very much but with approved new feature I meant next releases features that are not yet implemented but wanted features, wanted by Community and/or TDF. I have found something similar here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA in the Enhancement requests (experimental) link that take you here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement that is, obviously, a set of collected enhanced issues... I also remember that the initial pdf/a develop was done by an Italian developer... I think to be part of the big the digital preservation of electronic documents business is one of the good thing to pursuit. In the famous release plan page would be useful to put the features that TDF, Developer and Community intend to include in each version: if you want say it a featured road map, something like this: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/1.5.x_Roadmap Have a nice afternoon, We do indeed have a few dedicated page in the wiki as you pointed out, but as you know we don't have a roadmap they way it is classically understood; release notes exist however not just at the time of the release and appear much earlier, in this sense, they are the next features page you may be looking for. best, Charles. Carlo ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 16/05/2013 10.50, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: Hello Carlo, Le jeudi 16 mai 2013 à 09:09 +0200, Carlo Strata a écrit : Hi Everyone, in any case (!) none has answered to my initial question and moreover has to be avoided changing the thread object and throw away one person's suggest or a simply discuss. So that now I have to renew my question with another all new post!!! Thank you! [OT] I have donate to LibreOffice some money and sure many of my time since 28.09.2010 to spread his use, to make it in mind to many people in Italy and in my local engineer professional association. Thank you a lot BTW! In any case I think that resources like University Students, Google SoC, ... are and remain useful to both sides ;-) (TDF/Community/Users and Students themselfes). I also want to find an approved new feature list in TDF or LibreOffice site... I think we do have what you are looking for: https://www.libreoffice.org/features/ (and linked pages from there) https://www.libreoffice.org/index.php/download/4-0-new-features-and-fixes/ and of course, the wiki pages: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0 Hope this helps, Charles. Have all a sunny day, Carlo ing. Carlo Strata - via Botticelli 1/4 30031 Dolo - VE Italia - Italy - tel./fax +39.041.822.0665 cell. +39.347.85.69.824 Skype carlo.strata Google carlo.strata.69 - carlo.str...@tiscali.it PEC: carlo.str...@ingpec.eu Il 16/05/2013 01.58, Steve Edmonds ha scritto: On 2013-05-16 07:45, Joel Madero wrote: Any payments and/or donations must be accounted for and if the person paying has any intent it to go to xyz, then by regulations we may need to account for that payment/donation and where it went to. That is the real problem with targeted donations and payments. There will be a mess in paperwork to deal with it. Opt in, opt out, What it was used for. Keeping track of all of who pays what, for what, can cost more than thepayment in paperwork and legal fees. This has been discussed quite a bit on user list and brought up during ESC at some point and I thought the consensus was we'll just let them do what they want and not endorse, support, etc... any of that. I thought that kept us out of legal muddy waters. It'd be similar to me just going to a friend who is a programmer and saying dude, can I pay you $100 to fix this issue - a contract completely out of TDF's hands. Best, Joel Would this paid for feature not then create a fork in the code, then are you committing to maintaining that branch until some time (may be never) that the branch feature is voted into the main code base. It seems a bit impractical when you have a continually evolving product to pay to add a feature unless you are assured it will be included in the main code base and maintained. Steve -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-Founder Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bug in Contour Editor - Writer 4.0.2
Hello, For your problem with the contour editor in Writer, I think you should file a bug report. The easiest way is to use the Bug Submission Assistant https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/. Please add me lo_b...@iseries-guru.com to the report, and I shall try to confirm your report. Terry, On Tue, 2013-05-07 at 10:19 -0400, fobe...@rcn.com wrote: Hi: This bug in the contour editor is apparently new in the 4.x version, since I've used this quite a bit in earlier versions and never had an issue. When attempting to set a contour, everything goes ok until attempting to finish the selection, at which time the entire app crashes and disappears. The check mark icon never becomes clear/active, so the problem seems to be in the closing of the polygon. Nothing happens to the document that I can tell, and it seems to get recovered with no issues. I've confirmed this with images are in .png and .jpg formats if that matters. I didn't try this with anything other than polygonal selections. I went back and looked at a few graphics that I had placed and contoured in earlier versions (same document) and the contour definition that had been previously set seems to still be honored. I did NOT, however, go into the contour editor because I was afraid of screwing up the layout. Thanks. On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 17:24 -0400, fobe...@rcn.com wrote: Hi: I'm using 64 bit Ubuntu 12.04 and recently updated LibreOffice to 4.0.2.2, and I hope I've been sending these reports to the right place. Today I attempted to delete a table, which I have always done by placing the cursor in the table, then using the menu sequence Table | Delete | Table but when I tried to do that with 4.0.2.2, and chose the Table | Delete menu option, everything was greyed out and I couldn't do it. I ended up selecting the table as well as the paragraph markers above and below it to delete it. I'm assuming that Writer knew the cursor was in the table because the Table Tool bar appeared as usual when I entered the table. I used the Ubuntu software center to install this version (and yes - I removed the earlier version I was using first), so I assume I'm not using a pre-release candidate or anything, but I seem to be encountering more anomalies than usual with Writer (I've sent three possible bugs to this address in the past few days and believe I've only sent in one or two in the past couple years). Is there any sort of sanity check I should be running to insure the stuff I have is ok? Also, by the way, I've noticed that Writer tends to bog down and stop for a while in large documents (such as the book I'm currently working on which is about 350 pages or so), which it didn't do in earlier versions. Is there some sort of memory management configuration that's changed that I should know about? Thanks, by the way, for a great program - I've used countless word processors - both early stand alone machines as well as personal software - since the late 70s, and Writer is as well thought out as anything I've encountered (just don't be like Microsoft and completely change the interface every couple years or so while leaving the long-standing bugs in place.) If you have questions about this report or my recent ones, or need examples, feel free to contact me. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bug (??) Table deletion in Writer 4.0.2.2
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 17:24 -0400, fobe...@rcn.com wrote: Also, by the way, I've noticed that Writer tends to bog down and stop for a while in large documents (such as the book I'm currently working on which is about 350 pages or so), which it didn't do in earlier versions. Is there some sort of memory management configuration that's changed that I should know about? If you are willing to attach your 350-page book to the bug report, and if you can tell us what to do to see the slowdown, then a bug report is the way to go. Remember, of course, that attachments to a bug report are available to the whole world; you may not want to do that. If you do file a bug report, please add me lo_b...@iseries-guru.com to the cc. I do not know how bad a performance regression must be to count as a bug. Discussion on the developer list, New test to automatically importing all bugzilla documents http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/New-test-to-automatically-importing-all-bugzilla-documents-td4038484.html, shows some interest in tracking these things. Guidance, anyone? Terry. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] dialling in via Google Hangouts
Hi, Michael Meeks wrote on 2013-05-16 13:16: Yep - I'd love to migrate us to a google hangout; we should get some quality webcam hardware for everyone to make that easier. from a technical POV, also a good headset comes in handy, to avoid the echoe... Otherwise, sure, why not combine both elements, classical phone and Google Hangouts. Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] Bug (??) Table deletion in Writer 4.0.2.2
Terrence Enger [ten...@iseries-guru.com] wrote: If you are willing to attach your 350-page book to the bug report, and if you can tell us what to do to see the slowdown, then a bug report is the way to go. Remember, of course, that attachments to a bug report are available to the whole world; you may not want to do that. Maybe a search-and-replace of all alphanumerics with the a single letter would yield a test document that exhibited the symptoms but could be released publicly. (Though maybe not, some things such as spell checking and autocomplete would act differently). -Chris -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] dialling in via Google Hangouts
Hi, Joel Madero wrote on 2013-05-15 20:53: That turned out really good :-) thanks for the tip ! It'd be nice to try to congregate as many as possible on-line with video in the hang-out and call into talkyo only for recording / land-line users I think (?). thanks for trying! So, what we can do indeed is that someone opens the Hangout, invites all the other board members, plus adds the talkyoo number to link in those who are on a phone. Calling US numbers (which talkyoo offers as well) is free via Google. Room for ESC call to do something similar? Also, just a quick question, are board meetings public? (in other words, could I listen in?) IMHO, the ESC confcall system also offers an US number, so the same thing could work. Board calls are public, everyone can join: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_Meetings Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] dialling in via Google Hangouts
On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 11:53 -0700, Joel Madero wrote: Room for ESC call to do something similar ? Yep - I'd love to migrate us to a google hangout; we should get some quality webcam hardware for everyone to make that easier. Also, just a quick question, are board meetings public? (in other words, could I listen in?) People are encouraged to join in, submit items, and turn up - of course; the meeting is announced ahead of time with all the dial-in numbers etc. well in advance :-) be good to hear you there. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
