Re: airyxOS has a new name: ravynOS
On 2022-09-01 10:28:51 -0700 Fred Kiefer wrote: Not exactly, libobjc2 was developed by David Chisnall and is actually part of GNUstep. As for Wayland, GNUstep has an experimental backend for that, feel free to test and improve it. Cheers, Fred Thanks for clearing that up. I may have misunderstood what Riccardo was saying in that case. Marco Cawthorne
Re: airyxOS has a new name: ravynOS
> Am 31.08.2022 um 21:23 schrieb Liam Proven : > > On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 17:50, Marco Cawthorne wrote: >> >> >> He compliments how much further along they are in adopting modern >> technologies than GNUstep. >> Pushing for Wayland is definitely 'ambitious' to say the least because >> it seems everyone else is somewhat struggling with it. Also GNUstep >> already relies on some of their work (libobjc2) it seems. Not exactly, libobjc2 was developed by David Chisnall and is actually part of GNUstep. As for Wayland, GNUstep has an experimental backend for that, feel free to test and improve it. Cheers, Fred
Re: airyxOS has a new name: ravynOS
On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 17:50, Marco Cawthorne wrote: > > On 2022-08-30 03:54:04 -0700 Liam Proven wrote: > > > I can't see that myself, so I am not sure which. > > It's the first image on the screenshots page: > https://ravynos.com/images/airyx_0.3_installer_confirm.png > Which shows the stock GNUstep theme. Aha! Thank you. Does it? I can't tell, that is what I was getting at. > > I cannot work out what "wrappened" (?) means here. It's not an > > English word. > > He means that Firefox is just using an app bundle wrapper. Similar to > the ones in the GWorkspace/App_Wrappers directory. So it doesn't link > against Obj-C or any GNUstep code Aha! I see. Thank you, much better. > > Is it? Telling of what? > > He compliments how much further along they are in adopting modern > technologies than GNUstep. > Pushing for Wayland is definitely 'ambitious' to say the least because > it seems everyone else is somewhat struggling with it. Also GNUstep > already relies on some of their work (libobjc2) it seems. Great explanations -- thank you. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053
Re: airyxOS has a new name: ravynOS
On 2022-08-30 03:54:04 -0700 Liam Proven wrote: On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 19:53, Riccardo Mottola wrote: one of the screenshot "screams" GNUstep, it has the telling "gamma too dark" NeXT grey default theme. I can't see that myself, so I am not sure which. It's the first image on the screenshots page: https://ravynos.com/images/airyx_0.3_installer_confirm.png Which shows the stock GNUstep theme. Most apps however are not native (e.g. firefox) and are wrappend. I cannot work out what "wrappened" (?) means here. It's not an English word. He means that Firefox is just using an app bundle wrapper. Similar to the ones in the GWorkspace/App_Wrappers directory. So it doesn't link against Obj-C or any GNUstep code They say however: GNUStep is pretty good and their Cocoa implementation is much further ahead than ours. We use the libobjc2 runtime from it. However, the way it is packaged, the GS* extension classes, and various other things made it "less than ideal" for ravynOS. Also I prefer BSD/MIT/Apache-style licensing. That said, I'm open to using it if we can make it work. That, plus Wayland, is telling. Is it? Telling of what? He compliments how much further along they are in adopting modern technologies than GNUstep. Pushing for Wayland is definitely 'ambitious' to say the least because it seems everyone else is somewhat struggling with it. Also GNUstep already relies on some of their work (libobjc2) it seems. Marco Cawthorne
Re: airyxOS has a new name: ravynOS
On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 19:53, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > > one of the screenshot "screams" GNUstep, it has the telling "gamma too > dark" NeXT grey default theme. I can't see that myself, so I am not sure which. > Most apps however are not native (e.g. firefox) and are wrappend. I cannot work out what "wrappened" (?) means here. It's not an English word. > They say however: > > GNUStep is pretty good and their Cocoa implementation is much further > ahead than ours. We use the libobjc2 runtime from it. However, the way > it is packaged, the GS* extension classes, and various other things made > it "less than ideal" for ravynOS. Also I prefer BSD/MIT/Apache-style > licensing. That said, I'm open to using it if we can make it work. > > That, plus Wayland, is telling. Is it? Telling of what? I find your email impenetrable I'm afraid. Sorry. My failing but I don't follow at all. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053
Re: airyxOS has a new name: ravynOS
Hi, Liam Proven wrote: > It seems to at least mention Cocoa APIs... I don't know if that means GNUstep. one of the screenshot "screams" GNUstep, it has the telling "gamma too dark" NeXT grey default theme. Most apps however are not native (e.g. firefox) and are wrappend. They say however: GNUStep is pretty good and their Cocoa implementation is much further ahead than ours. We use the libobjc2 runtime from it. However, the way it is packaged, the GS* extension classes, and various other things made it "less than ideal" for ravynOS. Also I prefer BSD/MIT/Apache-style licensing. That said, I'm open to using it if we can make it work. That, plus Wayland, is telling. Riccardo
Re: airyxOS has a new name: ravynOS
It's very nice seeing a distro with a vision that strives to be user-friendly. If it uses GNUstep and respects the license that's a very big plus too as far as I'm concerned :) -- Marco
Re: airyxOS has a new name: ravynOS
The ravynOS project's goal is to reproduce macOS and be binary compatible. Our aim is to be as portable as possible. The goals of the two projects are fundamentally different. I told the maintainer she is more than welcome to use GNUstep code so long as she follows the licensing rules as outlined by the LGPL. It looks like a very interesting project. GC On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 3:29 PM Derek Fawcus < dfawcus+lists-gnustep-disc...@employees.org> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 09:21:03PM +0200, Hugo Melder wrote: > > > > I think ravynOS was using GNUstep at the beginning, then Cocotron, and > now something homebrewed. They still use libobjc2. > > From glancing around I got the impression it was still Cocotron... > > The recent announcement also indicates they've decided to use Wayland, so > that could prove interesting... > > DF > > -- Gregory Casamento GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=352392 - Become a Patron https://gf.me/u/x8m3sx - My GNUstep GoFundMe https://teespring.com/stores/gnustep - Store
Re: airyxOS has a new name: ravynOS
On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 09:21:03PM +0200, Hugo Melder wrote: > > I think ravynOS was using GNUstep at the beginning, then Cocotron, and now > something homebrewed. They still use libobjc2. >From glancing around I got the impression it was still Cocotron... The recent announcement also indicates they've decided to use Wayland, so that could prove interesting... DF
Re: airyxOS has a new name: ravynOS
They have a nice Website tho. I think ravynOS was using GNUstep at the beginning, then Cocotron, and now something homebrewed. They still use libobjc2. On August 17, 2022 5:48:40 PM GMT+02:00, Liam Proven wrote: >I'm not sure it's an improvement. > >https://ravynos.com/ > >It seems to at least mention Cocoa APIs... I don't know if that means GNUstep. > > > >-- >Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven >Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com >Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven >UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 >
