[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hello Regina My German is very limited - no problem in German bars and restaurants and paying there bill. I did spend two years in Hamburg and learnt some German from the people I became friends with. However that was a long time ago. You have made 3D objects a little clearer with your explanation. What puzzles me is why is there such a complication with 3D objects? Once a 2D object is extruded into 3D then you should be able to use all the tools that are available for the ready made 3D objects. This complication makes it a difficult thing to get across simple enough for a novice user to understand, so your help will be appreciated. Send me the German version to my email address. I will run it through a machine translation where I do not understand. A translation is never perfect and I am used to sorting out translations into English from my time with Oki when I worked with all the European languages. With regards Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org On 13 Oct 2013, at 00:18, Regina Henschel [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4077814...@n3.nabble.com wrote: Hi Peter, I belong to the authors of this part in the German version www.openoffice.org/de/doc/oooauthors/ooo-draw-handbuch.pdf I now see, that all my efforts to distinguish between the so called custom shapes and the classical (from OOo1) primitive shapes are lost and that there is a large confusion in the descriptions and figures. Only custom shapes can use Extrusion on/off. The objects of the Fontwork gallery are custom shapes too. Custom shapes remain custom shapes even when extruded to 3D. This kind of extrusion is a special state of a custom shapes. Therefore you can turn extrusion on and off. Only classical primitive shapes can be turned into true 3D Scenes. Such a 3D Scene and the 3D objects in it are different kind of objects. There is no way back to the generating 2D shape. Extruded custom shapes and true 3D objects have different tools and are stored different in file format. It is no good idea to mix them up in the guide. The icon has the label Extrusion on/off but the icon To 3D does also extrude. Therefore the word extrusion is not suitable to distinguish between them. Do you understand German, so that you can read the German Draw-Handbuch? Kind regards Regina PeeWee schrieb: Version 4.1 of the Draw Guide Chapter 7 Working with 3D Objects is now in the Drafts LO4.1 folder on the ODF Authors website ready for review and comments. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/dg-ch-07-working-with-3d-objects/view Regards PeterS - Peter Schofield [hidden email] -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4077765.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4077814.html To start a new topic under Documentation, email ml-node+s969070n1645240...@n3.nabble.com To unsubscribe from Documentation, click here. NAML - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4077833.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hi Peter, Am 13.10.2013 09:32, schrieb PeeWee: Hello Regina again The link in your email does not work. I didn't follow the thread but maybe here you can find what you search for: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/deutsch/arbeitsordner/Archiv_alte_OOo_Dokumente/draw -- Grüße k-j Member of TheDocumentFoundation http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ http://de.libreoffice.org http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Writer FAQ: page numbering section
Subsection 104 on how to begin page numbering at a higher value than 1 has two French screenshots that need to be replaced. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hi Peter, PeeWee schrieb: Hello Regina My German is very limited - no problem in German bars and restaurants and paying there bill. I did spend two years in Hamburg and learnt some German from the people I became friends with. However that was a long time ago. I still struggling with English. My written English is often strange and it is difficult for me to understand spoken English. You have made 3D objects a little clearer with your explanation. What puzzles me is why is there such a complication with 3D objects? Let's go back in history. In StarOffice and in the sequel in OOo1 only some kind of shapes exists. The status bar shows in the left field, which kind of object it is. For example, you will see Rectangle selected or Callout selected or Parallelogram selected or Bézier curve selected ... This draw objects can be turned to 3D objects. The methods are rotation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_of_revolution) and extrusion (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrusion_%28Geometrie%29; I find no English one). There exists a 3D engine with a lot of features, but the UI is confusing and bad designed, not changed since StarOffice times. The UI is in great want of refresh and redesign. These classical draw objects were not able to store the features of the Autoforms of Microsoft Office. Therefore a new kind of shapes were implemented in OOo2, the so called custom shapes. They got the ability to contain informations, how they should be rendered as 3D-extrusion-object. And they got a new UI for setting this properties. For all the different custom shapes you get only the one string shape selected in the status bar. At the same time the Fontwork gallery was introduced. From a technical view, that are custom shapes as well. Once a 2D object is extruded into 3D then you should be able to use all the tools that are available for the ready made 3D objects. The ready made 3D objects are not only simple 3D objects, but they are 3D scenes. You cannot have such 3D object without a root 3D scene. Such 3D scene cannot include custom shapes. There is no way to write such thing into the file format. And there exists no requests to change the spec in this direction. If you convert a custom shape by the tools To 3D or To 3D rotation object they are converted to a polygon or to a curve first, but the user is not notified about that. Therefore the 3D dialog is not suitable for custom shapes. To get a deeper understanding of this very different kind of objects, it might be worth reading the spec, section 10.5 3D Shapes and 10.6 Custom Shape. [http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part1.html] This complication makes it a difficult thing to get across simple enough for a novice user to understand, so your help will be appreciated. I agree, that is a challenge. In contrast to the old German version, I now would make two strictly independent sections, one for 3D Shapes and a new section covering all the properties and handlings of Custom Shapes. There exists not only their special way of extruding, but also the yellow handles to vary the shapes, and they differ in the way text is used. You can even write your own custom shapes, but sadly their is no UI for that, but you have to write into the file directly. I had a talk about it last FOSDEM. The current drawing toolbar in LO makes it more complicate. OOo had the classical rectangle and ellipse in the toolbar, and you could turn them into 3D shapes. But the current drawing toolbar has dropped them, and instead has included the custom shapes Rectangle and Ellipse which are already in the drop-down list Basic shapes of the custom shapes. To use the classical shapes, you have to customize the toolbar first. The consequence of which is, that users do not get the properties they are used to, rounded corners for example. If you have questions about the shapes, please ask. I do not have time enough to write a full text, but will comment on single problems. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer FAQ: page numbering section
Hazel Russman wrote: Subsection 104 on how to begin page numbering at a higher value than 1 has two French screenshots that need to be replaced. Done! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer FAQ: section on Opening, etc. of files completed.
Hazel Russman wrote: Thanks for your help, Smaug! This section is now complete except that the last two items need new English screenshots. Done! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer FAQ: section on autocorrection
Hazel Russman wrote: I have edited all of these. The first item is a general one on autocorrection and includes a French screenshot that will need to be replaced. I have replaced this with an English screen capture, but I am not sure about the translation of the image caption: Options désactivées en cours de saisie mais disponible par le menu Format. It has been many decades since my schooldays and French was never a subject in which I excelled. So I have given the new image a much simpler English caption: AutoCorrect dialog available through the Format menu options. Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
