Re: [Dspace-tech] Problem with new submission

2007-07-31 Thread Stuart Lewis [sdl]
Hi Daniel,

 When trying to make a new submission, after the first four steps (Describe,
 Describe, Describe, Upload) the Verify page shows almost all data as null
 values. Does somebody know how this can be possible or how can I solve it?

Is this happening on a fresh install of the software, or have you made any
modifications?

Thanks,


Stuart
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[Dspace-tech] How to get a new handle..?

2007-07-31 Thread Sahil Dave
hi all,

i have a fully running setup of dspace on my server.
How do we assign a unique handle to every new submission into DSpace..?
right now, the default handle of hdl:123456789/ is assigned.



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Re: [Dspace-tech] Problem with new submission

2007-07-31 Thread Daniel Fernÿffffe1ndez
Hi Stuart:  

It is happening on a fresh install.


 Thank you for you attention.


 
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Asunto: Re: [Dspace-tech] Problem with new submission

Hi Daniel,

 When trying to make a new submission, after the first four steps (Describe,
 Describe, Describe, Upload) the Verify page shows almost all data as null
 values. Does somebody know how this can be possible or how can I solve it?

Is this happening on a fresh install of the software, or have you made any
modifications?

Thanks,


Stuart
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Re: [Dspace-tech] Reply-To Header missing - list misconfigured?

2007-07-31 Thread Richard Rodgers
Folks:

I'm currently administering the tech  dev lists  would gladly
reconfigure if the preponderance of opinion is in favor. I'm by no means
a mail admin, and was following the recommendations of the GNU mailman 
docs, which I reproduce here:


reply_goes_to_list (general): Where are replies to list messages
directed? Poster is strongly recommended for most mailing lists.

This option controls what Mailman does to the Reply-To: header in
messages flowing through this mailing list. When set to Poster, no
Reply-To: header is added by Mailman, although if one is present in the
original message, it is not stripped. Setting this value to either This
list or Explicit address causes Mailman to insert a specific Reply-To:
header in all messages, overriding the header in the original message if
necessary (Explicit address inserts the value of reply_to_address). 

There are many reasons not to introduce or override the Reply-To:
header. One is that some posters depend on their own Reply-To: settings
to convey their valid return address. Another is that modifying
Reply-To: makes it much more difficult to send private replies. See
`Reply-To' Munging Considered Harmful for a general discussion of this
issue. See Reply-To Munging Considered Useful for a dissenting opinion. 

Some mailing lists have restricted posting privileges, with a parallel
list devoted to discussions. Examples are `patches' or `checkin' lists,
where software changes are posted by a revision control system, but
discussion about the changes occurs on a developers mailing list. To
support these types of mailing lists, select Explicit address and set
the Reply-To: address below to point to the parallel list.

Where are replies to list messages
  directed? Poster is strongly
   recommended for most mailing lists.
 Poster
   This list
Explicit
address





If anyone has further input, please share with the list. 

Thanks,

Richard R


On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 11:38 -0500, Dorothea Salo wrote:
  The result of a missing reply-to header is that
  you have to use the reply-all function of your
  mail client to answer back to the list, which
  seems unnatural. In most cases, answers seem
  to be sent in private mail as implied by the
  missing header.
 
  As of my perception, this makes the list *more*
  noisy as required and renders the list archive
  less useful. Let me explain.
 
 I agree. Useful responses are not publicly archived, which means they
 are not searchable, which means we get the same questions over and
 over -- not because there is no answer, but because there is no
 *public* answer.
 
 I would very much appreciate the reconfiguration of dspace-tech to
 reply-to-list instead of reply-to-sender.
 
 Dorothea
 


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Re: [Dspace-tech] Reply-To Header missing - list misconfigured?

2007-07-31 Thread Hilmar Lapp
For those who haven't seen this:

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

There's nothing I can add.

-hilmar

On Jul 31, 2007, at 11:25 AM, Richard Rodgers wrote:

 Folks:

 I'm currently administering the tech  dev lists  would gladly
 reconfigure if the preponderance of opinion is in favor. I'm by no  
 means
 a mail admin, and was following the recommendations of the GNU mailman
 docs, which I reproduce here:


 reply_goes_to_list (general): Where are replies to list messages
 directed? Poster is strongly recommended for most mailing lists.

 This option controls what Mailman does to the Reply-To: header in
 messages flowing through this mailing list. When set to Poster, no
 Reply-To: header is added by Mailman, although if one is present in  
 the
 original message, it is not stripped. Setting this value to either  
 This
 list or Explicit address causes Mailman to insert a specific Reply-To:
 header in all messages, overriding the header in the original  
 message if
 necessary (Explicit address inserts the value of reply_to_address).

 There are many reasons not to introduce or override the Reply-To:
 header. One is that some posters depend on their own Reply-To:  
 settings
 to convey their valid return address. Another is that modifying
 Reply-To: makes it much more difficult to send private replies. See
 `Reply-To' Munging Considered Harmful for a general discussion of this
 issue. See Reply-To Munging Considered Useful for a dissenting  
 opinion.

 Some mailing lists have restricted posting privileges, with a parallel
 list devoted to discussions. Examples are `patches' or `checkin'  
 lists,
 where software changes are posted by a revision control system, but
 discussion about the changes occurs on a developers mailing list. To
 support these types of mailing lists, select Explicit address and set
 the Reply-To: address below to point to the parallel list.

 Where are replies to list messages
   directed? Poster is strongly
recommended for most mailing lists.
  Poster
This list
 Explicit
 address





 If anyone has further input, please share with the list.

 Thanks,

 Richard R


 On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 11:38 -0500, Dorothea Salo wrote:
 The result of a missing reply-to header is that
 you have to use the reply-all function of your
 mail client to answer back to the list, which
 seems unnatural. In most cases, answers seem
 to be sent in private mail as implied by the
 missing header.

 As of my perception, this makes the list *more*
 noisy as required and renders the list archive
 less useful. Let me explain.

 I agree. Useful responses are not publicly archived, which means they
 are not searchable, which means we get the same questions over and
 over -- not because there is no answer, but because there is no
 *public* answer.

 I would very much appreciate the reconfiguration of dspace-tech to
 reply-to-list instead of reply-to-sender.

 Dorothea



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Re: [Dspace-tech] Reply-To Header missing - list misconfigured?

2007-07-31 Thread Christian Voelker
Hello,

Am 31.07.2007 um 18:16 schrieb Hilmar Lapp:

 For those who haven't seen this:

 http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

 There's nothing I can add.

It is always a bad thing to be the advocate ones own behalf, but I cant
resist to do so in this case. Unhappily, the article presenting the
opposite view seems to have vanished from the web. At least I couldnt
find it in a quick search.

I wont go in every detail, because I could argue against every single
sentence in this post. It is extremly biased by an extreme kind of guy
who should never be allowed to make any decisions that have to do with
usability. Hear him talk, all what he has to tell is elm can do it.
Well, I can do so too. I actually just do. Yes, and every decent MUA
has two different commands. The thing is, in 99.999% of all cases you
use hit reply and not reply-all, dont you? Do you ever think about
when doing? No, you actually wouldnt use such modernistic stuff like
email if you were still thinking about every decision you take within
a minute. Command-R is stored in your muscular memory.

Yes, email is a rather complicated thing one shouldnt tinker with.
But the page count of RFCs cant impress me. Yes, I read them regularly
too, when I try to solve a problem. At least, I can confirm that the
writer of the pamphlet is as knowledgeable to quote the right RFCs.

There is only one single technical argument given. Preexisiting reply-
to headers might be overriden. Yes. Who uses them? I did a quick search
through 2000 messages I archive locally and could not find a single
post using it. It might have been a means of organising your accounts
when they were expensive. I havent seen such since the times when
everybody has half a dozen of them, using syndication services for
free or managing all of them centralized with one client. But yes,
this might harm in some rare cases. Please speak up if I anybody
would be harmed.

The argument that it makes things more complicated and breaks elm
might be a hint that elm is actually the kind of brain-dead software
he is bashing. With *MY* personal favourite email client that every-
body in the world could use as well if he/she was such a wizard as
I am, it is really easy to reply to the sender, just point on it
and choose reply to sender from the contextual menu. Ok, I stop
rant-mode. I think it is quite clear what I meant with a biased
view in this post (I enjoy such thing, it gives me a chance to
counter it).

 Some mailing lists have restricted posting privileges, with a  
 parallel
 list devoted to discussions.

I made the difference with discussion lists vs. announcement list
which is roughly the same.

After having said all of the above, I can also tell, that I start
integrating the reply-all habit in my muscular memory and that it
is not a matter of live and die for me.

Bye, Christian


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Re: [Dspace-tech] Reply-To Header missing - list misconfigured?

2007-07-31 Thread LeVan,Ralph
For what it's worth, I re-configure the lists I'm responsible for to
reply to both the sender and the list.  As Christian said, hitting the
reply-all button just isn't a reflex I can train into my users.

Ralph

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Re: [Dspace-tech] How to get a new handle..?

2007-07-31 Thread Christian Voelker
Hello,

Am 31.07.2007 um 10:46 schrieb Sahil Dave:

 How do we assign a unique handle to every new submission into  
 DSpace..?
 right now, the default handle of hdl:123456789/ is assigned.

The 123456789 is the authority part of the handle, but not a complete
handle by itself. Each item you create should have a different handle
like 123456789/1, 123456789/2 and so on. If this does not work, then
there is some very basic thing going wrong and you should try to find
out why before doing anything else.

I guess that this is actually working but you are pondering about
getting you own individual naming authority string. This is described
in the installation. Besides some technical setup, it requires register-
ing with CNRI and signing some documents, paying a low annual fee -
administrative stuff.

But, before you do, think about whether you really want to do so.
DSpace runs fine with the fake string mentioned above that is set
in the default config. If you decide to run a proper handle server
with an official handle that means that your organisation is willing
to spend additional effort on keeping identifiers persistent. It is
additional work and thought besides keeping your DSpace installation
running, may it be as small as it is.

We are thinking about whether it was a real wise decision to do
that because we have hardly the money to keep up our basic work.
If your server goes down one day because of lack of commitment
of your organisation, then all persistent identifiers are vain.

If instead you are running the repository for decades ahead,
the small overhead of starting early with assignment of handles
might pay off by the ease of future migrations. The more deep
links to documents on your server from outside your organization
you gather, the more valuable it is, to have handles assigned
from the beginning.

Bye, Christian


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Re: [Dspace-tech] Reply-To Header missing - list misconfigured?

2007-07-31 Thread Hilmar Lapp

On Jul 31, 2007, at 3:56 PM, Christian Voelker wrote:

 The thing is, in 99.999% of all cases you use hit reply and not  
 reply-all, dont you?

No. I almost always hit reply-all. If I don't, it's a conscious  
decision.

 Do you ever think about when doing?

No, and that's why when I hit reply (and not reply all) I expect it  
to be a private email.

It also might be a field-specific preference. I'm on many programming/ 
open-source project mailing lists, and almost universally, and  
purposefully, they are set to not munge the reply-to header (for the  
simple reasons stated in the article).

-hilmar

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Re: [Dspace-tech] Problem with new submission

2007-07-31 Thread Christian Voelker
Hello,

Am 30.07.2007 um 23:54 schrieb Daniel Fernÿe1ndez:

 I'm using D-Space 1.4.2 and Oracle 9.2.0.4 running on RedHat  
 Enterprise 3.x

As a foreword, I dont know Oracle, only other databases.

 When trying to make a new submission, after the first four steps
 (Describe, Describe, Describe, Upload) the Verify page shows
 almost all data as null values.

Really strange. Get the values written to the database?

I have not read the code of the associated servlet, but
I guess, that the data you enter is kept in memory as
part of the DSpace context you carry with you during
submission and does not get written to the db at all
within the first three steps, effectively only using
read access.

You might use something equivalent to pgAdmin and have
a look to the database. I guess, the item should be there
at the step fourth step and that the verify page tries
to get it from there as opposed to the previous pages.
But then, there should be a log entry as well. Pondering.

If you cant find the item, check your db privileges.
Is there any difference in how you access the database
as compared to the moment when you installed DSpace?

Bye, Christian


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Re: [Dspace-tech] Reply-To Header missing - list misconfigured?

2007-07-31 Thread Tim Donohue

Admittedly, I don't have a strong opinion either way.  Most other 
listservs I'm on do munge the Reply-To header so that you always reply 
to the list.  I'd also admit that annoys me sometimes when I just want 
to reply only to the sender (and even in Thunderbird, I cannot do that 
without manually replacing the list's email address with the sender's).

All in all, I wonder if Ralph LeVan's suggestion of adding *both* the 
list and the sender to the Reply-To would be a nice compromise. :)

- Tim

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Re: [Dspace-tech] Reply-To Header missing - list misconfigured?

2007-07-31 Thread Larry Stone
FWIW, some of the lists to which I subscribe mung the reply-to header
to force replies to go to the list, and some don't -- I'm invariably
annoyed by the ones that _do_ mung headers.  So take this as a vote NOT to
change the behavior of the DSpace lists.

My mail user agent is a certifiable antique, but it has simple, separate
commands for reply to sender and reply to all.  I prefer to have that
option, but it goes away if teh Reply-To header forces a reply to the
list even when I choose to write only to sender.  I suspect we'll see
a bunch of inadvertent posts to the whole lists if this gets changed, too.

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[Dspace-tech] dspace backup help

2007-07-31 Thread Shali 9846303531
Dear sir

where is the default location of postgresql  /data? i am using ubuntu 6.06as os

help me sir...

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