Re: [DX-CHAT] Re: LOTW cannot possibly catch up
Having read most of the comments critical of the time lag, I am reminded of the time when it took forever to get confirmations via the mail and some bureaus. This whole issue seems to me to be centered among those who either can't recall those days or the younger folks who suffer from what is hopefully not a communicable form of the disease knows as instant gratification-itis. Don K1VSK --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Vedr: funding the DXpedition
This seems to me a manifestation of the entitlement mentality as it relates to
ham radio and dx-peditions? Financial support should be gratuitous, not a
pre-requisite and a group which withholds qsls pending receipt of money from
individual for confirmation of a contact is essentially extortion (e.g., ST0R).
Just my 2 cents
k1VSK
- Original Message -
From: ragnar otterstad
To: Charles Harpole ; DX Chat ; d...@dxhf.darc.de
Cc: dx qsl qsls
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 10:41 AM
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Vedr: funding the DXpedition
Dr Charles
IMHO there is no human right to go on a DXpedition. If we cannot afford it,
there will no operation. If somebody has or can get the means, and has the
inclination, all very good.
I just dont like the idea of not uploading to lOTW unless.
It goes against the spirit of hamradio, in my wiev.
73 and good luck
Rag la5he
Hey Rag, the problem for me in S E Asia and being retired, it is the lack of
funding UP FRONT during the planning phase. I am struggling to find about
$6,000 usd to travel repeatedly to Myanmar Burma to talk to the right people in
the right way to launch a big DXpedition there. I think money can come in, BUT
MY PROBLEM IS WHAT IF THE PLAN FAILS? The money is spent, no refunds possible,
and no operation.
Advance funding is somewhat possible, but if the effort fails, there will be
no money to refund. Do u have any ideas about that situation?
de HS0ZCW, Charly
Harpole
k4...@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 12:37:30 +0100
From: la...@yahoo.no
Subject: [DX-CHAT] F Y I
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org; d...@dxhf.darc.de
CC: dx-...@mailman.qth.net
How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading
early to LoTW? He has never tried it!
Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway.
73 de Roger/G3SXW.
From: Tom Wylie
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM
To: Trevor Dunne
Cc: Roger Western ; c...@yahoogroups.commailto:c...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E
Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there
are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical
logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their
position, and can be considered a red herring.
In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions
myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no
matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the
number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I
uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving
hundreds via the buro in addition.
Tom
GM4FDM
On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote:
Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last
night it was a talk on DXpedition funding,
NCDXF (@NCDXF)
19/05/2012 20:10
Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: ”The minute the LOTW
upload happens, you might as well close the bank account.”
Goes against the general feeling posted here,
Trevor
EI2GLB
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Most Wanted
Longevity and persistence pays.Yet others like Turkmenistan (EZ) have disappeared from the airwaves. If it were easy, it wouldn't be as fun or as rewarding. Absolutely and I am happy it is difficult, otherwise, there would be do challenge nor a feeling of accomplishment. By the way EZ8BP was on 10M last week. I assume he is good as he is quite active. K1VSK --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
Out of ignorance I ask this question of the group - Having confirmed every entity on the list and never contributed anything in advance of receiving a confirmation, my experience leads me to believe there is no such thing as extortion to get confirmation. What am I missing? Are there/have there been such examples and if so, where and who? Don K1VSK - Original Message - From: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If no one donated, do you think any large DXpeditions would happen? Maybe you have a few hundred $ laying around but most hams don't. The donations make DXpeditions happen. Most hams are happy to donate. If you aren't then that's your problem. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying work this one OR ELSE! Most who do go do foot the bill for their own travel, lodging expenses and even meals. The other costs are what make up the most expensive part. If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, If you think it is a free holiday in the sun by all means organize your own DXpedition, raise the cash beforehand to go and try to recoup it all with a few measly green stamps. Might I also suggest Scarborough, Peter One, Bouvet or Marion Island as ideal candidates for a free holiday in the sun. Reality is that it is far from being a free holiday, and most DXpeditioners spend nearly all of their time on the radio, just because some DXpeditioner wants a new one in the log. Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO It is a choice. If you don't donate, you will get a free card via the bureau. IMO, even that is pretty generous. What you want is fast service for no money. Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM, ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no wrote: If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO 73 Rag http://tinyurl.com/c6g6g4k http://de.visittelemark.com/ or http://www.telemarkskanalen.no/nor/Kanalen where we are located riverside. Ubi Morsum verba tacent Fra: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com Til: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sendt: Onsdag, 21. desember 2011 20.11 Emne: Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, rag...@otterstad.dk rag...@otterstad.dk wrote: That's not the point at all Rag. And don't change the subject. --- The subject being: Why was the log not uploaded to LOTW immediately ?? The Russians at TX7M did it- very commendable IMHO 73 and Merry Christmas Rag la5he mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA
Re: [DX-CHAT] What ever happened to FR5DX?
I'll send you mine. 73 K1VSK - Original Message - From: DAVE WHITE mausop...@btinternet.com To: w...@comcast.net; Dx-Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] What ever happened to FR5DX? Maybe now we should write for all those QSLs that we never received. (a) he's got time to write them and (b) we know where to find him Dave G0OIL - Original Message - From: Barry w...@comcast.net To: Dx-Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] What ever happened to FR5DX? Google Roman Vega and there's a bunch of info. For example: One of the first individuals to create a sustainable business model based on cybercrime was a certain Roman Vega of Ukraine, a.k.a. Roman Stepanenko, a.k.a. BOA (now known as inmate #59198-004 in the Federal Bureau of Prisons), who started a website called Boa Factory (http://www.boafactory.com) in the late 1990s. Boa Factory was a one-stop clearing house for buying and selling virtually all assets produced by financially-motivated online criminal activity of that time. One could get plastic cards, raw dumps (magnetic stripe data from bank and credit cards), traveler's checks and even counterfeit passports. Vega was eventually arrested while vacationing in Cyprus (a popular European destination for Russian and Ukrainian tourists) in June 2004, extradited to California and charged with a 40-count indictment of wire fraud and trafficking in stolen credit cards. Another indictment in New York for access device fraud and money laundering followed 2 years later and convictions eventually secured. Barry W2UP On 12/4/2011 7:33 AM, Zack Widup wrote: That's a good question about Romeo. It's been several years since I heard he was in jail for credit card fraud. If he's waited that long for a trial, something is really wrong. But I haven't heard anything about him since then so I don't know what the rest of the story was. 73, Zack W9SZOn 12/4/11, DAVE WHITEmausop...@btinternet.com wrote: At least one went to prison. Are you talking about Roman Stepanenko? I think it was more a case of stolen credit card details and money laundering in that particular case (the usual Russian business). Last I heard he was awaiting trial. What happened? Dave G0OIL - Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1Cjjreis...@alum.mit.edu To: DX CHATdx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] What ever happened to FR5DX?p.s. I don't know of anyone who has become rich on dollars and IRCs. At least one went to prison. He doesn't have to worry about mortgage payments and where his next meal is coming from. -- Jim Reisert AD1C,jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Lakewood, CO --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA
Re: [DX-CHAT] Leader boards
I must admit this leader board is a new concept to me and I've been a Dx'er for 50 years. I infer it is a list of the sum total of q's made with a Dxpedition. If so , I'm perplexed at the name - shouldn't it be the get a life board? Don K1vsk - Original Message - From: Dave To: 'DX Chat' Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 4:34 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Leader boards Greetings; I've stated this before, quite a while ago. Whether it be chasing DX or designing equipment, I challenge only myself. Hard to cheat that way g. One would need to be somewhat schizophrenic to derive any satisfaction from cheating oneself. The leader boards can be fun as well as a proof of meeting operating challenges. Sort of a contest without need to sit in a chair and yell (or, for us mixed mode operators, work at getting Carpal-Tunnel syndrome) for 24 - 36 hours at a time. It takes a mind set of someone who is very ignorant or insecure to cheat at the leader board game. It appears that, as the years go by, the concept of Gentleman as coupled with DXer is becoming extinct (if they indeed existed) either through ignorance, desperation to excel at any price or just sheer malice against fellow hobbyists. There are pileups that I just will not wade in to due to the aggregation of LIDS, intentional jammers (If I can't work you - no one will) , newbies (and old timers) that just won't listen and the nasty traffic cops. Admittedly this is a luxury that I can indulge in having reached the Top of the Honor Roll. My ulcers however, did pay a price getting there. And then there is the Challenge. Still a lot of band - modes to fill in. I guess, in a sense what is happening in Amateur Radio is a reflection of society today: ME first - ME only - ME now! I'll leave the invectives to your imagination. Guess I'll go drown my sorrows in a glass of tomato juice. It appears that a friend of mine beat me by ONE QSO with the T32C gang. I'll never get over it.'till the next leader board contest g. Good DX to all. Dave, W5WP --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Up
S! All this helpful information will take it harder for the deserving who have already figured it out. Don K1vsk - Original Message - From: Dave Gomberg da...@wcf.com To: DX Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Up At 14:17 10/23/2011, Elmar PD3EM wrote: A lot of chances to work a DX or DX-pedition are ruined by hams that don't listen before they TX. Here's a mail I sent to my local club and NCDXC a few days after Pacificon: The reminder to LISTEN, LISTEN, LISTEN that I was given at Pacificon worked great for me this AM. T32C was on 40m SSB and had a pretty good pileup. 40m does not work well for me, I think it is a feed-line issue because my screwdriver tunes beautifully on all bands but 40m. Anyway, hearing the pileup made me think my best strategy was to listen, and I started to hear him complaining about his QSOs getting QRMed by other deserving calling and calling. Then he said, Give me a second, I am going to check around. He had been working simplex and I took this as a clue he was planning to start working split. So I set my radio to split and VFO A to his old frequency, and the mouse cross hairs (I run a flex3K) to VFO B. When he came back he said I am going to start working split, QSX 7180 and in 2-3 seconds I clicked on 7180 and hit the foot pedal, he came back as I was the only one that fast and I got him first call (can't use my amp on 40m, the SWR is too high). It was a delight and a triumph for LISTENING. Thank you all. -- Dave Gomberg, San Francisco NE5EE Programming since 1959 All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html - --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
I'm confused - if there is no reason, as Ron explains, to work ST0 again, why is NCDXF financially supporting a dx-pedition? K1VSK Glenn Johnson, W0GJ, NCDXF Vice President, sent out the following on July 6th: The Northern California DX Foundation (NCDXF) is pleased to announce a major grant to the Intrepid DX Group http://www.intrepid-dx.com/ and the DX Friends http://www.dxfriends.com/ who have joined together to activate the new entity of the Republic of Southern Sudan. Licensing is imminent and operation could begin in the next few days. - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius W3WN To: DX-CHAT@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:27 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan Forgive me for being, ah, late to the party, but we were out of town for the weekend (anyone want to see pictures of my grandson?) and I'm just now getting caught up on my email. We had to work Germany again, after the reunification? I must have missed the memo on that one. I THOUGHT that since the former German Democratic Republic (East) got absorbed into the existing Federal Republic of Germany (West), for DXCC purposes, since the FRG survived, it still counts as the same entity, even if we now simply refer to it as Germany. So there's no reason to re-work the existing Sudan. For precedent, look at Serbia nee Yugoslavia. As independence came to one, ah, component of Yugoslavia after another, the new nations became new DXCC entities, but the original entity remained - just smaller. 73, ron w3wn -- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Abercrombie Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 6:35 PM To: DX-CHAT@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan I remember when Germany-East and West was counted as one country. Then they were counted as two and we had to work them both again. When they were united , we worked Germany again. I wonder if we are going to have to work both Sudans again.Only the DXAC knows. --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
This what I love so much about DXCC. I worked ST0 years ago and will have to waste the time doing it again on a bunch of bands. At some point, this becomes silly. Don/K1VSK - Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C jjreis...@alum.mit.edu To: ct1...@mail.telepac.pt Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Aurelio Costa ct1...@mail.telepac.pt wrote: Can someone please give the latitude and longitude of this new country? It's not a new country yet. Coordinates are same as for deleted ST0 entity, or look up Southern Sudan on Wikipedia. -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
I still have all the West /Coast DX Bulletins but couldn't find the reference to catching the same fish twice! 73 K1vsk - Original Message - From: Tom-KE1JF ke...@verizon.net To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan Well Said Paul, If this didn't happen eventually we would run out of all time new ones then what would be left. It's almost like the state stocking the pond to give the fishermen something good to catch. 73, Tom, KE1JF -- From: Paul M Dunphy list...@ve1dx.net Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:03 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan At 05:25 PM 7/9/2011, you wrote: This what I love so much about DXCC. I worked ST0 years ago and will have to waste the time doing it again on a bunch of bands. At some point, this becomes silly. Don/K1VSK Many of us are in the same situation, Don. My feeling is that it is a good thing. As DXers, there is no better thrill than when you send or say your call and the DX comes back to you. Wow! It's like fishing. You sit there all day and then you get a strike. That's what you go fishing, and why you are a DXer. To catch another one. We won't have any trouble getting them if the planned operation (multiple stations with gain antennas and amps) sets up there for 3 weeks. I'm looking forward to it. Sure, we worked the same geographical location in 1990 or whenever, but it's now a different political entity and essentially a new country. The FS and all 4 PJs of the past few years made a lot of excitement. If we never got any new ones, it wouldn't be much fun. What is a person going to do with the gear? Become a contester? 73, Paul VE1DX --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Sun's Spots Fading
can we act like adults and keep this to DX rather than dismissive personal biases? - Original Message - From: Barry w...@comcast.net To: James Nipper ja...@jamesnipper.com Cc: w7...@cox.net; w9sz.z...@gmail.com; 'dx-chat' dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Sun's Spots Fading Thank you, Jim Barry W2UP On 6/15/2011 9:36 AM, James Nipper wrote: He is just saying that we frequently see nutty predictions based on non-science, with global warming being the biggest of the scams. Jim K4PYT -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Lakewood, CO --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] Sun's Spots Fading
Remember one thing folks- if it were not for the solar minimums, Dxing would be equivalent to calling the s pacific, africa, asia, etc on your cell phone, perhaps even a bit less challenging. The most challenging and enjoyable dx memories I have occurred in low flux condition. 73 K1VSK --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country?
There isn't one factual statement in the message below nor has it anything to do with DX, ham radio, electronics, etc. Does anyone filter this crap? Don K1VSK - Original Message - From: Doug ve...@sasktel.net To: jjreis...@gmail.com; 'DX CHAT' dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. In my opinion the United States of America can do essentially nothing to effect climate change/global warming. Haven't you heard ... this supposed global warming caused my man made CO2 emissions is a scam. I repeat ... scam, fraud. Man made emissions effect on climate change is a paltry 0.25%. Besides, India and China are the big polluters. Ignorance can be fixed, but you can't fix stupid. Doug Those Island days are always on my mind, Someday soon I leave it all behind -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: December 7, 2010 6:26 PM To: DX CHAT Subject: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? Editorial (New York Times) The Urgent Islands Published: August 29, 2010 If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? That is a question about which the Republic of the Marshall Islands - a Micronesian nation of 29 low-lying coral atolls - is now seeking expert legal advice. It is also a question the United States Senate might ask itself the next time it refuses to deal with climate change. According to the world's leading scientists, sea-level rise is one of the greatest dangers of global warming, threatening not only islands but coastal cities like New Orleans and even entire countries like Bangladesh. In 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change conservatively predicted a 20-inch sea-level rise by the end of this century if current trends were not reversed. Because of various uncertainties, its calculations excluded the melting of the Greenland and West Antarctica ice sheets. Some academic studies have suggested that rises of four to seven feet are not out of the question. Officials in the Marshall Islands - where a 20-inch rise would drown at least one atoll - are not only thinking about the possibility of having to move entire populations but are entertaining even more existential questions: If its people have to abandon the islands, what citizenship can they claim? Will the country still have a seat at the United Nations? Who owns its fishing rights and offshore mineral resources? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/opinion/30mon4.html -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country?
This issue is becoming a serious concern to many people and we tend to trivialize it with comments about how it affects our petty concern over DXCC status. - Original Message - From: Barry w...@comcast.net To: DX CHAT dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? Since we have one current country that was never above the sea (BS7), the answer is yes. Barry W2UP On 12/7/2010 5:25 PM, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: Editorial (New York Times) The Urgent Islands Published: August 29, 2010 If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? That is a question about which the Republic of the Marshall Islands — a Micronesian nation of 29 low-lying coral atolls — is now seeking expert legal advice. It is also a question the United States Senate might ask itself the next time it refuses to deal with climate change. According to the world’s leading scientists, sea-level rise is one of the greatest dangers of global warming, threatening not only islands but coastal cities like New Orleans and even entire countries like Bangladesh. In 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change conservatively predicted a 20-inch sea-level rise by the end of this century if current trends were not reversed. Because of various uncertainties, its calculations excluded the melting of the Greenland and West Antarctica ice sheets. Some academic studies have suggested that rises of four to seven feet are not out of the question. Officials in the Marshall Islands — where a 20-inch rise would drown at least one atoll — are not only thinking about the possibility of having to move entire populations but are entertaining even more existential questions: If its people have to abandon the islands, what citizenship can they claim? Will the country still have a seat at the United Nations? Who owns its fishing rights and offshore mineral resources? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/opinion/30mon4.html -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Lakewood, CO --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
