Out of ignorance I ask this question of the group -
Having confirmed every entity on the list and never contributed anything in
advance of receiving a confirmation, my experience leads me to believe there
is no such thing as extortion to get confirmation.
What am I missing? Are there/have there been such examples and if so, where
and who?
Don
K1VSK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Jairam" <rjai...@gmail.com>
To: <dx-chat@njdxa.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
If you cannot foot the bill, why go ?
If no one donated, do you think any large DXpeditions would happen?
Maybe you have a few hundred $ laying around but most hams don't. The
donations make DXpeditions happen. Most hams are happy to donate. If
you aren't then that's your problem. No one is holding a gun to your
head and saying "work this one OR ELSE!"
Most who do go do "foot the bill" for their own travel, lodging
expenses and even meals. The other costs are what make up the most
expensive part.
If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a
business
to me. (" How to get a fee holiday in the sun,"
If you think it is a "free holiday in the sun" by all means organize
your own DXpedition, raise the cash beforehand to go and try to recoup
it all with a few measly green stamps. Might I also suggest
Scarborough, Peter One, Bouvet or Marion Island as ideal candidates
for "a free holiday in the sun."
Reality is that it is far from being a free holiday, and most
DXpeditioners spend nearly all of their time on the radio, just
because some DXpeditioner wants a new one in the log.
Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation
IMHO
It is a choice. If you don't donate, you will get a free card via the
bureau. IMO, even that is pretty generous. What you want is fast
service for no money.
Ryan, N2RJ
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM, ragnar otterstad <la...@yahoo.no> wrote:
If you cannot foot the bill, why go ?
If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a
business
to me. (" How to get a fee holiday in the sun,"
Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation
IMHO
73 Rag
http://tinyurl.com/c6g6g4k
http://de.visittelemark.com/
or
http://www.telemarkskanalen.no/nor/Kanalen
where we are located "riverside".
"Ubi Morsum verba tacent"
Fra: Ryan Jairam <rjai...@gmail.com>
Til: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Sendt: Onsdag, 21. desember 2011 20.11
Emne: Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
Are you sure they did it?
Their webpage says this:
Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends.
http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php
Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation
was that LoTW was a perk of donating.
It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major
DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a
wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of
thousands of dollars.
And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it.
I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new
one.
Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW
after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway.
But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then
not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly.
73
Ryan, N2RJ
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, rag...@otterstad.dk
<rag...@otterstad.dk> wrote:
That's not the point at all Rag. And don't change the subject.
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The subject being: Why was the log not uploaded to LOTW immediately ??
The Russians at TX7M did it- very commendable IMHO
73 and Merry Christmas
Rag la5he
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